Team Enzo: Is Calzaghe Snr Good or Bad for Maccarenelli?

[FLINT ISLAND]

Before the Haye fight Enzo Calzaghe was more vocal than his fighter was about the prospect of meeting Haye.

Claiming Haye can't punch.
Haye was nothing speical.
Haye would get such a beating retirement would be the best option.

After the fight when Enzo Calzghes words were proved to be worthless
what went wrong?

David Haye himself believes Enzo Maccarennlli would benefit from a new trainer and that Enzo Calzaghe is all wrong for him

[TFFP]

It was nothing to do with trainers. Enzo was the best thing that ever happened to Maccarinelli. He changed him from a crude brawler into a respectable stand up boxer. Why did he do this? Maccarinelli has a bad chin, and the brawling style was leaving him open to getting starched again. Now he fights with a high guard, behind the jab, and is much more disciplined as a result

Haye was simply 2 or 3 levels above him in most areas.

[D-MAC]

It was nothing to do with trainers. Enzo was the best thing that ever happened to Maccarinelli. He changed him from a crude brawler into a respectable stand up boxer. Why did he do this? Maccarinelli has a bad chin, and the brawling style was leaving him open to getting starched again. Now he fights with a high guard, behind the jab, and is much more disciplined as a result

Haye was simply 2 or 3 levels above him in most areas.

Thats about it:good

A change of trainer is not going to turn Mac into a P-4-P world beater. He's about as good now as he is ever gonna be. He can still win an alphabet title and bag himself another biggish payday.

[FLINT ISLAND]

Thats about it:good

A change of trainer is not going to turn Mac into a P-4-P world beater. He's about as good now as he is ever gonna be. He can still win an alphabet title and bag himself another biggish payday.

apparantly Enzo believes he is still a better fighter than Haye

he watches the Haye fight everyday and still wonders where it went wrong

there were supposed to be problems for him in the week of the fight

and in the fight he made a mistake of putting his chin in the air and dropping his hands

despite training for 10 weeks with chin down and hands up

how did it go so wrong for him on the night

after the hardest prepartion he ever had and the most determined and focused he had ever been

it turned into a nightmare night for Enzo how could this be?

before you say because Haye is better

Maccarenlli does not belive this was reason as he regards himself better than Haye

and kicks himself because he says he could have wan that fight - cos he made Haye stumble back in the 1st round but did not take advantage

[dwilson]

Enzo will get the best from Macca and has taken him alot further than anyone expected. I think a change of trainer would be a waste of time but it all depends on the fall out of the Calzaghe's and ******.

[Beeston Brawler]

Tough one - Calzaghe turned him into a decent fighter, but can he turn him into a top fighter, genuine top 5 in his weight class.

My answer is no - Enzo is a very overrated trainer, he cashed in on his awards for all they are worth, and is now paying the price when everyone seems to be getting KTFO.

[Fat Joe]

Enzo is ordinary, nothing special

Which one:huh

[D-MAC]

apparantly Enzo believes he is still a better fighter than Haye

he watches the Haye fight everyday and still wonders where it went wrong

there were supposed to be problems for him in the week of the fight

and in the fight he made a mistake of putting his chin in the air and dropping his hands

despite training for 10 weeks with chin down and hands up

how did it go so wrong for him on the night

after the hardest prepartion he ever had and the most determined and focused he had ever been

it turned into a nightmare night for Enzo how could this be?

before you say because Haye is better

Maccarenlli does not belive this was reason as he regards himself better than Haye

and kicks himself because he says he could have wan that fight - cos he made Haye stumble back in the 1st round but did not take advantage

Mac may see himself as better than Haye, but I have to disagree.

I never seen this as the even-money fight some people thought it was. There was never a doubt in my mind that Haye would emerge victorious (well...maybe the hype over his supposedly dodgy chin did play on my mind a tad)

As stated before Haye is just a level or two above Mac. This doesn't mean that Mac is a bad fighter, because he is not. It just means, that in my eyes, Haye's overall skill-set is superior to Mac's

[robpalmer135]

i think Enzo will loose to the first big pucher he faces.

[brown bomber]

i think Enzo will loose to the first big pucher he faces. Don't you mean third?

[Beeston Brawler]

Lee 'The Human Windmill' Swaby - he was on fight night the other week, how Enzo lost to him I will never know, what a load of shit he is!

David Haye is in a different class, fair do's.

I think he has made the correct choice staying with Sports Network - because he would have no chance in the big wide world where everyone is fair game!

[Grant1]

You cannot judge Enzo Cal on the Haye fight - that was totally Enzo Macs fault.

Didn't fight to his gameplan & left his chin in the air.

If Haye had outboxed him for 12 round this would have reflected badly on Enzo snr but this was a case of 100% fighters fault.

Enzo Cal has been good for Enzo Mac - without a shadow of a doubt.

[TFFP]

Tough one - Calzaghe turned him into a decent fighter, but can he turn him into a top fighter, genuine top 5 in his weight class.

My answer is no - Enzo is a very overrated trainer, he cashed in on his awards for all they are worth, and is now paying the price when everyone seems to be getting KTFO.
And who exactly would be able to achieve this with Enzo? :?

[kurt2006]

East or West Enzo C is the best.





At talking b/s.

[Betty Swollocks]

did anyone see E. Calzaghe's latest interview where he is saying Pavlik is unworthy and 'dead squid' :lol: :lol:
Can't stop laughing at him and his bollocks, the guy is just an arsehole.

[kurt2006]

He really should change his name to b/s enzo, as for the last year he has got too big for his boots.

Every chance he gets he mentions the trainer of the year award he got. If Elton John was training JC he would have got that award.

Then all the Haye b/s. I think he has lost it mentally.

[Max Molyneux]

i think Enzo will loose to the first big pucher he faces.

Most Cruiserweights aren't as explosive as Haye and It was a flurry that took Enzo out.

Shaky chin but not glass.

Haye's also the best Cruiserweight In the world until he moves upto Heavy.

[Eubank]

Enzo Calzaghe is an old fool. He has made his name off his sons back and a stable full of fighters taking on bums.

[DamonD]

and kicks himself because he says he could have wan that fight - cos he made Haye stumble back in the 1st round but did not take advantage
Considering the slow-mo replays show the punch hitting Haye in the shoulder, I certainly hope that's not the straw he's clinging to. Haye just got off-balance...if he really believes he caught Haye on the chin and wobbled him then Haye hit him even harder than it looked.

Anyway, I think Enzo C has actually done a good job training Enzo M.
I take bigger issue with the fact that the usual over-cautious ****** matchmaking led to his development slowing down and almost stagnating.

He needed more opponents like Dominguez and Braithwaite, and less of the Bobby Gunns, Mohamed Azzaouis and Marco Heinchens of the world. As a result, when it came to step up to the top level, Macca was woefully unprepared.

[alfonso]

Bobby Gunn was an awful awful opponent, interesting to see who he has in July, unfortunately the nearer it gets to fight night without an opponent - the worse the revelation is going to be!

[Rebel-INS]

Before the Haye fight Enzo Calzaghe was more vocal than his fighter was about the prospect of meeting Haye.

Claiming Haye can't punch.
Haye was nothing speical.
Haye would get such a beating retirement would be the best option.

After the fight when Enzo Calzghes words were proved to be worthless
what went wrong?

David Haye himself believes Enzo Maccarennlli would benefit from a new trainer and that Enzo Calzaghe is all wrong for him

You don't seem to be able to accept the fact that Enzo got a hiding.
If he'd never been taken on by Calzaghe, he'd have a good few more defeats and would definitely have never won a title.He's an average fighter who has been matched well, with a good trainer who knows how to work with his weaknesses.

[Claypole]

I think Enzo C has brought the best out of Enzo M, and he can still go on to achieve something of note.
The fight with Haye should have been more competitive, but I don't believe Enzo Macc had enough self belief
I got this impression when he was on the Setanta sofa with Buncey for the Haye v Mormeck fight. When Haye won, Enzo looked like a deer caught in headlights. I think the idea of facing David Haye filled him with dread, and he never got over it.

[FLINT ISLAND]

can Enzo Cal make Enzo Mac the best crusier in the world and get revenge on Haye?????

[draw99]

Every chance he gets he mentions the trainer of the year award he got. If Elton John was training JC he would have got that award.



:rofl:good

Enzo gets his fighters in great shape, but thats pretty much it.

Listen to the crap advice he gives his fighters between rounds - its as if hes watching a different fight.

[achillesthegreat]

Physically he is good for him but mentally maybe not.

[DamonD]

can Enzo Cal make Enzo Mac the best crusier in the world and get revenge on Haye?????
Possibly one of them, and not a fucking hope. He won't even get to fight Haye again unless Enzo makes the insane decision to move up to heavyweight as well.

[TFFP]

Of course. Enzo has turned him from an unremarkable brawler that was going nowhere fast to a top contender with reasonable skills.

[toffeejack]

Enzo has improved Enzo a hell of a lot. You would never have seen him outbox Braithwaite for example over 12 rounds before he want with Calzaghe.

I don't blame Enzo Calzaghe for the Haye fight, Enzo was like a rabbit in the headlights that night he really weren't himself and it seemed the occasion got to him. From the moment you saw him sprint towards the ring I could tell he was bricking it.

[achillesthegreat]

It's funny. People complain about Enzo being delusional and stupid but they are delusional and stupid in their assessment of him.

Enzo is a good trainer who has produced quality fighters. He's improved many fighters also. Enzo has developed a good stable.

His work is irrefutable.

[FLINT ISLAND]

I honeslty think Enzo Maccarenelli should leave Enzo Calzaghe and seriously consider hooking up with

Emanuel Steward

Just like Khan after his KO loss

Enzo needs to leave Newbridge and head to the United States

as a member of the Kronk Gym Emanuel Steward could get him quality sparring and guide him to the undisputed world crusierweight title

and KO Haye in rematch by tightening up his defence

[Claypole]

and KO Haye in rematch by tightening up his defenceYour obsession is getting worse, it's not right that you are saying theses silly things.

I still can't believe you gave up the chance of free Enzo Macc fight tickets in order to jabber on about the guy.

[BIG WORM]

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