German Olympic team....NOT ONE BORN IN GERMANY!!

[bumdujour]

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!

germanys olympic boxing team consists of 4 boxers: their names are culcay-keth, gratshov, buga and rahimov.

they were born in ecuador, uzbekistan and kazakstan!!!!!!!

this has to be a first in olympic boxing history!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the germans are a joke. this should NOT BE ALLOWED!!!!!!!!!!

i cant voice my disgust in a strong enough manner.:verysad:verysad:barf:barf:barf:barf:barf:barf

[emanuel_augustus]

If they're German citizens, then this is perfectly acceptable.

[Tom_Tocca]

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!

germanys olympic boxing team consists of 4 boxers: their names are culcay-keth, gratshov, buga and rahimov.

they were born in ecuador, uzbekistan and kazakstan!!!!!!!

this has to be a first in olympic boxing history!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the germans are a joke. this should NOT BE ALLOWED!!!!!!!!!!

i cant voice my disgust in a strong enough manner.:verysad:verysad:barf:barf:barf:barf:barf:barf

The US of A must be your biggest nightmare as no native American is on their roster...

[bumdujour]

The US of A must be your biggest nightmare as no native American is on their roster...

none of the fighters on the american team were born in the USA??????

this is not true.

but since you are germanys propaganda minister here on esb, you providing false information does not surprise me.

[Tom_Tocca]

none of the fighters on the american team were born in the USA??????

this is not true.

but since you are germanys propaganda minister here on esb, you providing false information does not surprise me.

man, you've got serious problems with double-standards to suite your bias attitude.

[southpawslick]

It is surprising that there is not one ethnic German on the German team but nothing objectionable about it. Its not like they went out and naturalized a bunch of foreigners at the last minute. All those guys have been in the country long enough to have gotten citizenship.

Even more surprising to me is that so few German boxers qualified for the olympics given the popularity of the sport in Germany these days. Is amateur boxing in Germany not very well participated in or something?

[bumdujour]

man, you've got serious problems with double-standards to suite your bias attitude.

:lol:

[unitas]

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!

germanys olympic boxing team consists of 4 boxers: their names are culcay-keth, gratshov, buga and rahimov.

they were born in ecuador, uzbekistan and kazakstan!!!!!!!

this has to be a first in olympic boxing history!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the germans are a joke. this should NOT BE ALLOWED!!!!!!!!!!

i cant voice my disgust in a strong enough manner.:verysad:verysad:barf:barf:barf:barf:barf:barf

not surprising if you ask me. germany is known for letting others do the work and then reap the rewards.

just look at their national football team.

but not having one german born fighter on their team.......that is low. look at their corrupt boxing in the pro ranks. as in the popular saying: "low, lower, germany":lol:

so as i said its not surprising.

[bumdujour]

not surprising if you ask me. germany is known for letting others do the work and then reap the rewards.

just look at their national football team.

but not having one german born fighter on their team.......that is low. look at their corrupt boxing in the pro ranks. as in the popular saying: "low, lower, germany":lol:

so as i said its not surprising.

low lower german:rofl

[unitas]

low lower german:rofl

and dont worry. i know german boxing pretty well and none of the fighters on the german team will have much of a chance of winning a medal. so all germany will get is to pay for their trip to china.

[NBT]

It is surprising that there is not one ethnic German on the German team but nothing objectionable about it. Its not like they went out and naturalized a bunch of foreigners at the last minute. All those guys have been in the country long enough to have gotten citizenship.

Even more surprising to me is that so few German boxers qualified for the olympics given the popularity of the sport in Germany these days. Is amateur boxing in Germany not very well participated in or something?
There are ethnic Germans on the team, just no one who is born within Germanys borders. bumdujour's hate for Germany is kind of pathological. He doesn't even see (or doesn't bother to) that it's like that in any other Western European countries. Look at France, all of their fighters are African (North African, Arabs, Black Africans) and their football team has a better case to play the African Cup than the Euros. Well, it's like that, you have a kind of rich country you attract a truckload of immigrants each day that want a piece of the cake. What are we supposed to do? Don't let them in? Then we are racaist nazis... well, that's what we are anyway according to the majority on this board :yep but it' just not allowed by (European) law. Most of the immigrants from Eastern Europe are so called "Spätaussiedler", descendants of Germans who settled in todays Poland, Hungary, Romania, Ukraine, Russia, Kazakhstan centuries ago, who have the right by law to return to Germany and claim citizenship.
Boxing is no mainstream sport in Germany nowadays, even though it's a rather big market. So the gyms are filled by people of "lower classes" meaning obviously primarily of immigrant background. It was different a few decades back, especially in East Germany when (amateur) boxing was sport like any other and talents where systematically scouted and put into the sport they had to most talent for.

[unitas]

There are ethnic Germans on the team, just no one who is born within Germanys borders. bumdujour's hate for Germany is kind of pathological. He doesn't even see (or doesn't bother to) that it's like that in any other Western European countries. Look at France, all of their fighters are African (North African, Arabs, Black Africans) and their football team has a better case to play the African Cup than the Euros. Well, it's like that, you have a kind of rich country you attract a truckload of immigrants each day that want a piece of the cake. What are we supposed to do? Don't let them in? Then we are racaist nazis... well, that's what we are anyway according to the majority on this board :yep but it' just not allowed by (European) law. Most of the immigrants from Eastern Europe are so called "Spätaussiedler", descendants of Germans who settled in todays Poland, Hungary, Romania, Ukraine, Russia, Kazakhstan centuries ago, who have the right by law to return to Germany and claim citizenship.
Boxing is no mainstream sport in Germany nowadays, even though it's a rather big market. So the gyms are filled by people of "lower classes" meaning obviously primarily of immigrant background. It was different a few decades back, especially in East Germany when (amateur) boxing was sport like any other and talents where systematically scouted and put into the sport they had to most talent for.

last i looked, bum never talked about ethnic background.

he just said that all the membbers on the german team were not born in germany. and that is true isnt it??? so he is saying the truth.
the only people making this an ethnic/race debate is the german tomtocca and you, another german. hmmmm........

[Tom_Tocca]

last i looked, bum never talked about ethnic background.

he just said that all the membbers on the german team were not born in germany. and that is true isnt it??? so he is saying the truth.
the only people making this an ethnic/race debate is the german tomtocca and you, another german. hmmmm........

Not really - it more looks like to be the other way around... :roll:

[unitas]

Not really - it more looks like to be the other way around... :roll:

now you are flat out lying. he pointed out that the entire german team was not born in germany...........which is certainly strange, no question. this may actually be a firrst.

you started talking ethnic backgrounds. a german talking ethnic background.........:verysad

[bumdujour]

now you are flat out lying. he pointed out that the entire german team was not born in germany...........which is certainly strange, no question. this may actually be a firrst.

you started talking ethnic backgrounds. a german talking ethnic background.........:verysad

according to Mr.Tocca germany is the last safe haven of pure sportsmanship, especially in boxing:lol:

he will even assure you that nelson mandela is actually german if it suits his cause:rofl

just one little problem: rest of the world dont see it that way:D.

anyways, i know that the big german companies pay spammers like him to invade internet forums to spout propaganda that aids their business.
it aint novel.

[NBT]

last i looked, bum never talked about ethnic background.
Come again :huh You may have noticed that my posting (hence the quote of _his_ posting) was a reply to southpawslick who was talking about ethnic Germans?

[Kolya]

Fuck, I'm moving to Germany, has to be easier than qualifying for the American team. :lol:

And as an aside, Tom, I do know the one Native American that I know of at least who went to the US Olympic Trials last year. They're such a small population overall that not many tend to go far with it.

[unitas]

Come again :huh You may have noticed that my posting (hence the quote of _his_ posting) was a reply to southpawslick who was talking about ethnic Germans?

okay, then i understood you wrong.

but lets keep all this ethnic stuff out of it, okay.

lets just isolate one simple, indisputable fact: the entire german team is made up of people not born in germany.
this is NOT common as some are trying to point out. this is, as it has been pointed out, HIGHLY UNUSUAL!

and like it or not, it is noteworthy, especially with germanys reputation for cutting corners when it comes to boxing fairness.

[southpawslick]

There are ethnic Germans on the team, just no one who is born within Germanys borders. bumdujour's hate for Germany is kind of pathological. He doesn't even see (or doesn't bother to) that it's like that in any other Western European countries. Look at France, all of their fighters are African (North African, Arabs, Black Africans) and their football team has a better case to play the African Cup than the Euros. Well, it's like that, you have a kind of rich country you attract a truckload of immigrants each day that want a piece of the cake. What are we supposed to do? Don't let them in? Then we are racaist nazis... well, that's what we are anyway according to the majority on this board :yep but it' just not allowed by (European) law. Most of the immigrants from Eastern Europe are so called "Spätaussiedler", descendants of Germans who settled in todays Poland, Hungary, Romania, Ukraine, Russia, Kazakhstan centuries ago, who have the right by law to return to Germany and claim citizenship.
Boxing is no mainstream sport in Germany nowadays, even though it's a rather big market. So the gyms are filled by people of "lower classes" meaning obviously primarily of immigrant background. It was different a few decades back, especially in East Germany when (amateur) boxing was sport like any other and talents where systematically scouted and put into the sport they had to most talent for.
I see what you mean now. I guess ethnic Germans was the wrong word there. I think Germany should have a lot of young talent, and with the success of professional boxing there I just assumed that more young guys would be aspiring to box.

[NBT]

Fuck, I'm moving to Germany, has to be easier than qualifying for the American team. :lol:
If you can come up with some proof of German ancestry and a few more German words than Nazi and Blitzkrieg ... :yep But even if you make the team, you still have to qualify in the qualification tournaments and qualification in Europe is certainly harder than in the Americas.
this is NOT common as some are trying to point out. this is, as it has been pointed out, HIGHLY UNUSUAL!
Actually it's not that unusual or noteworthy if you know the background. It's just the consequence of the decline of amateur boxing in Germany since German unification coupled with the immigration wave from Eastern Europe in the 90's. It wasn't much different four years ago, Köber was the only one born in Germany.#, so I don't know what the fuss is about.

[Serenata]

Germany is an immigration-country so what is the problem with an olympic boxing team consisting of peope who are not born in germany? In germany boxing is much more popular by "immigrats" than it is by "native" germans.

I just don´t see the problem besides talking bad about germany which seems to be quite popular in this forum...

[unitas]

[quote=NBT]If you can come up with some proof of German ancestry and a few more German words than Nazi and Blitzkrieg ... :yep But even if you make the team, you still have to qualify in the qualification tournaments and qualification in Europe is certainly harder than in the Americas.

Actually it's not that unusual or noteworthy if you know the background. It's just the consequence of the decline of amateur boxing in Germany since German unification coupled with the immigration wave from Eastern Europe in the 90's. It wasn't much different four years ago, Köber was the only one born in Germany.#, so I don't know what the fuss is about.[/quote

you must be joking!!!

how many teams are taking part in the olympics?? now, of those teams, how many are made up of people that were not born in the country they represent??
and i dont mean teams that have one or two members that were not born in the country they represent.
im talking about teams that are COMPLETELY made up of people not born in the country they represent.

so if this is common practiice, then im sure you can come up with ten, 15 teams other than the german team. should not be a problem right??

otherwise, this is HIGHLY NOTEWORTHY!!!

[PolishPummler]

WOW

Lame and Wrong at the same time.

[bumdujour]

oh, and just a little sidenote since the german poster NBT found it necessary to bring up the nazi rethoric, let me just point out a lil something about germany:

when you talk to a german and for some reason the talk turns toward hitler, they will quickly point out that HITLER was actually NOT GERMAN, but AUSTRIAN, cause he was BORN THERE!!!!

but when you take a guy like rustam rahimov who was born in tadshikistan, who stayed in germany after the world amateur championships cause he could earn more money there.................they will shrug their shoulders and say: OH COME ON, HE IS AS GERMAN AS THEY COME!!!

Or one another sidenote: Remember the Airich vs Williams Scandle???

Well, the promoter was a turkish born man named ahmed oener, who grew up in germany, who went to school there, even earned a degree at a german university...........hey, he is even engaged to a german woman, the daughter of trainer fritz zdunek.
he speaks perfect german, lives in germany.................BUT WHAT WAS THE FIRST REACTION FROM THE GERMAN FRACTION WHEN THE SCANDLE OCCURRED???

ANSWER: OHNER AINT GERMAN! HE WAS BORN IN TURKEY!!!

needless to say that the event was payed for by GERMAN TV!!!!

if history teaches one thing: unless you catch them with their pants down, they will never admit to anything.

[unitas]

i saw the airich vs williams fight on youtube.

that was evil.

[NBT]

Both of you really need to use more exclamation marks, I only counted about 21, much too few to make your point.
Well, I said everything reasonable there is to say regarding this matter, if you want to indulge in your hating spree some more, please go on, pure comedy. :yep

[dwilson]

Jeez the fatherland has gone down hill.

[Kolya]

If you can come up with some proof of German ancestry and a few more German words than Nazi and Blitzkrieg ... :yep But even if you make the team, you still have to qualify in the qualification tournaments and qualification in Europe is certainly harder than in the Americas.

Actually it's not that unusual or noteworthy if you know the background. It's just the consequence of the decline of amateur boxing in Germany since German unification coupled with the immigration wave from Eastern Europe in the 90's. It wasn't much different four years ago, Köber was the only one born in Germany.#, so I don't know what the fuss is about.

Yeah, ich spreche ein bischen deutsche. Einschuldigen sie bitte, kunen sie mir zagen vo das bahnhoff ist?

Ok, my German friends, I know I spelled all those words very wrong; but is it good enough to get on your Olympic Team now? :D

[tonsetzer]

anyways, i know that the big german companies pay spammers like him to invade internet forums to spout propaganda that aids their business.
it aint novel.

Damn, and im posting here for free.:D

[matt_maxx]

Yeah, ich spreche ein bischen deutsche. Einschuldigen sie bitte, kunen sie mir zagen vo das bahnhoff ist?

Ok, my German friends, I know I spelled all those words very wrong; but is it good enough to get on your Olympic Team now? :D

If u can find into the ring without a map it should be enough.

[Serenata]

Damn, and im posting here for free.:D

Me too, damit I´m doing something wrong.... :|

[Armo_Ruski]

cant we all just move to germany and get along :lol:

[Decebal]

cant we all just move to germany and get along :lol:

:D

[avk47]

Yeah, ich spreche ein bischen deutsche. Einschuldigen sie bitte, kunen sie mir zagen vo das bahnhoff ist?

Ok, my German friends, I know I spelled all those words very wrong; but is it good enough to get on your Olympic Team now? :D

If you were good, then I think knowledge of Gutten Tag and scheisse would be enough.

[Kolya]

If you were good, then I think knowledge of Gutten Tag and scheisse would be enough.


Ouch. :lol:

[boxexpert]

thats nothing new. germany is so poor about own boxers,so they take everything else which hopefully can get a medal.

[sean]

the ones i do not like at the moment are the gulf states buying rift valley athletes and having them compete for there flag.

granted the reigning olympic 1500 and 5000m champ is a rift valley athlete who won for america , but as far as i know he was not paid for by the american administration like shaheen etc etc.

they are not even allowed to have there own name

[Tom_Tocca]

Btw, Culcay-Keth's mother is German :hi:

[Hrak]

Jeez the fatherland has gone down hill.
:lol: its so Ironic considering Hitlers view of Germany's future

[Odo]

If you were good, then I think knowledge of Gutten Tag and scheisse would be enough.




:lol::lol::lol:


Kolya has to improve his German!!!

[Kolya]

:lol::lol::lol:


Kolya has to improve his German!!!


Ironically, I thought we won the war so I didn't have to speak German. :lol:

[avk47]

Ironically, I thought we won the war so I didn't have to speak German. :lol:

I thought that too, but the world is a funny place. Some German vets are wandering around Baden Baden in nice fur coats, and our veterans are rotting in shitty appartments forgoten, while most of the worlds neo-nazis are in Russia.

[Odo]

I thought that too, but the world is a funny place. Some German vets are wandering around Baden Baden in nice fur coats, and our veterans are rotting in shitty appartments forgoten, while most of the worlds neo-nazis are in Russia.

Yep! Our planet is getting a weirder and weirder place for us average guys!!!

You are right,avk! Lots of vets are living in rotten apartments trying to survive with a handful of money every month whereas most of the German counterpart enjoy a life of milk and honey.
Russia and all the countries of the former soviet union are not aggressive enough in demanding additional compensation from the Germans.
The Greeks has demanded a huge sum of money as recomensation for the killing of some hundreds of villagers. They even threaten the Germans to take hold of their embassy and schools over there. The Italians,too,have similar plans. Belarus' capital Minsk was totally destroyed by the Germans.
Belarus suffered the loss of about 3.000.000 people in WWII.
Russia,Belarus,and the Ukraine should open the book again and demand big bucks for the unbelievable crimes the Germans committed there.
Anyway!
As for Russia, at least Maxim "Tesak" ("The Hatchet") Martsinkevich is now behind prison bars.
As for Kolya I guess it is enough to say "Guten Tag" in order to qualify for the German national squad.
Most gyms,escpecially in the southern part of Germany,are dominated by Russian-speaking youngsters or people who stem from the countries of the former soviet union.You can also find a lot of Turks and Arabs in the German gyms but hardly any ethnic Germans.
You see,Kolya,Russian is the dominating language in the German gyms.Really no need to learn German!:D

[Bummy Davis]

Germany has a lot of good fighter coming out of there and has for the last decade or more. America has a lot of fighter but from different ethnic groups or countrys also....

[NBT]

Russia and all the countries of the former soviet union are not aggressive enough in demanding additional compensation from the Germans.
I didn't want to get into this because this is a topic that is destined to get out of hand but this but enough is enough. Do you actually know anything about what the Russians did after the end of the war in terms of "compensation"? I guess you are still indoctrinated by the good old Soviet propaganda and believe that shit. Let me give you a small glimpse of what happened... The Russians literally took what they wanted, they dismantled factories, railroads and so on and moved them to Russia (it was a hot idea after the war between the Allies to deindustrialise Germany and turn it into an agricultural state and Russia took initiative). And it's not like this was just for a short period of time, up to 10 years after the end of the war the Russians drained the German economy which was a main reason why East Germany was almost as economically fucked up as the rest of Eastern Europe. Just like the American rocket programme the Russian Rocket programme was largely based on the work of numerous German scientiests, who were forced to work in Russia. And what happened to the millions of German prisoners of war that were taken to Russia and were never heard of again? What's with the looted art that is kept secret in Russia with no intention to ever admitting to stealing it let alone return it? They took one third of Germany's territory and gave it to Poland so that they could take polish territory. So don't give me the crap that Germany owns anything to Russia in terms of "compensation", if anything it the other way around. Tell me, how is it Germany's responsiblity that the Soviet Union fucked up economically when they had anything to their disposal (natural resources etc.) while Germany was able to rise again from literally nothing?

[avk47]

I didn't want to get into this because this is a topic that is destined to get out of hand but this but enough is enough. Do you actually know anything about what the Russians did after the end of the war in terms of "compensation"? I guess you are still indoctrinated by the good old Soviet propaganda and believe that shit. Let me give you a small glimpse of what happened... The Russians literally took what they wanted, they dismantled factories, railroads and so on and moved them to Russia (it was a hot idea after the war between the Allies to deindustrialise Germany and turn it into an agricultural state and Russia took initiative). And it's not like this was just for a short period of time, up to 10 years after the end of the war the Russians drained the German economy which was a main reason why East Germany was almost as economically fucked up as the rest of Eastern Europe. Just like the American rocket programme the Russian Rocket programme was largely based on the work of numerous German scientiests, who were forced to work in Russia. And what happened to the millions of German prisoners of war that were taken to Russia and were never heard of again? What's with the looted art that is kept secret in Russia with no intention to ever admitting to stealing it let alone return it? They took one third of Germany's territory and gave it to Poland so that they could take polish territory. So don't give me the crap that Germany owns anything to Russia in terms of "compensation", if anything it the other way around. Tell me, how is it Germany's responsiblity that the Soviet Union fucked up economically when they had anything to their disposal (natural resources etc.) while Germany was able to rise again from literally nothing?

I actually agree with the fact that the Soviet Union's situation can't be blamed on Germany at all, it was an internal fuck-up. I'm just commenting on the unfairness of the world, but in realities life is life and you just live with what you get. If Germany managed to rebuild faster that's just them doing beter for themselves than the Russians, although American aid in the West helped them out a lot with it.

However, no, the Soviet Union does not owe Germany any compensation. Germany invaded the Soviet Union and the Soviet Union won at tremendous cost. The Soviet people can't be argued to owe anything to a nation which tortured, burned and buried their ancestors alive. The things they were doing puts the actions and views of the Soviet Union's many nations into perspective.

[Odo]

I didn't want to get into this because this is a topic that is destined to get out of hand but this but enough is enough. Do you actually know anything about what the Russians did after the end of the war in terms of "compensation"? I guess you are still indoctrinated by the good old Soviet propaganda and believe that shit. Let me give you a small glimpse of what happened... The Russians literally took what they wanted, they dismantled factories, railroads and so on and moved them to Russia (it was a hot idea after the war between the Allies to deindustrialise Germany and turn it into an agricultural state and Russia took initiative). And it's not like this was just for a short period of time, up to 10 years after the end of the war the Russians drained the German economy which was a main reason why East Germany was almost as economically fucked up as the rest of Eastern Europe. Just like the American rocket programme the Russian Rocket programme was largely based on the work of numerous German scientiests, who were forced to work in Russia. And what happened to the millions of German prisoners of war that were taken to Russia and were never heard of again? What's with the looted art that is kept secret in Russia with no intention to ever admitting to stealing it let alone return it? They took one third of Germany's territory and gave it to Poland so that they could take polish territory. So don't give me the crap that Germany owns anything to Russia in terms of "compensation", if anything it the other way around. Tell me, how is it Germany's responsiblity that the Soviet Union fucked up economically when they had anything to their disposal (natural resources etc.) while Germany was able to rise again from literally nothing?


The Russians dismantled factories and railroads,eh! The Russian rocket programme was largely based on the work of numerous German scientiests,eh! Looted art,eh! German war criminals who died in Siberian labour camps,eh! So what??
Belarus lost about 3.000.000 people due to Germany's generosity in wiping out entire villages.It is estimated that German nazis burnt down and destroyed more than 1.500 villages in Belarus. Belarus lost 30%(like the USA would have lost 70.000.000 people in WW II) of its population and you jester are speaking about railroads and German war criminals! Minsk, the capital of Belarus, was totally destroyed by German nazi troops.Looted art,eh! There wasnt hardly any art left to be looted,nbt!
The other way round,eh! Belarus shall compensate Germany,eh?? Ludicrious!
Anyway!
I was mentioning Italy and Greece because both countries have demanded new compensations once again.Germany is going to pay big money to both Italia and Greece. I for my part think that this is not very fair. Italy was a close ally of Germany,and Greece was reigned by a fascist dictator during WWII who just didnt agree with Hitler. Do you really think it is fair that both Italy and Greece will obtain hundreds of millions of dollars for the destruction of a couple of villages and the death of thousands of villagers?
I pity the slain people there,but Belarus lost 3.000.000 human beings-not 30.000.Therefore Belarus should have the right to claim financial compensation,too.Germany is a rich country.It is no big deal to pay 5.000.000.000 or 6.000.000.000 $ for compensation of its committed crimes in Belarus.Germany has paid incredibly huge sums of money for the Jews over the years.Why not for the Belarussians? The Belarussians have the same right as the jews or gypsies have.
Anyway! I as an individual human being dont demand anything from Germany or from Russia(because Belarus has suffered at the hands of the Russians,too),but you have to put things into perspective.
First things first! Countries like Poland or Belarus have far better moral rights to demand money from Germany than countries like Italy or Greece have. I dont have no quarrel with any German.
Germans are quite popular in Belarus.The same cant be said about a lot of countries here in europe.A lot of people in a lot of countries hate the Germans. Doesnt it make you think that the "indoctrinated " Belarussians welcome German visitors with salt and bread unlike people in Poland,the Netherlands,Serbia,the Czech Republic,or Italy? Old soviet propaganda,eh!
What do you know about old soviet propanda anyway!
Pay a visit to Belarus where you can enjoy the hospitality of the Belarussian nation,nbt!
People there dont have revenge and hate in their hearts!

And by the way when I was watching Spain vs Russia in a crowded pub in Berlin's eastern part I noticed that almost all pub customers were rooting for the Russians. I like Germany and the Germans,nbt!

[Odo]

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!

germanys olympic boxing team consists of 4 boxers: their names are culcay-keth, gratshov, buga and rahimov.

they were born in ecuador, uzbekistan and kazakstan!!!!!!!

this has to be a first in olympic boxing history!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the germans are a joke. this should NOT BE ALLOWED!!!!!!!!!!

i cant voice my disgust in a strong enough manner.:verysad:verysad:barf:barf:barf:barf:barf:barf



Belarus' olympians: one ethnic Belarussian and three fighters from the far way regions of the former soviet union

Bantamweight: Khavazhi Khatsigov ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Welterweight: Mahamed Nurudzinov ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Light heavyweight: Ramazan Magamedov ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Heavyweight: Viktor Zuyev ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Funnily,Zuev,the only ethnic Belarussian in the national squad has the best chance to win a medal at the upcomming olympic games.

[Scorpion]

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!

germanys olympic boxing team consists of 4 boxers: their names are culcay-keth, gratshov, buga and rahimov.

they were born in ecuador, uzbekistan and kazakstan!!!!!!!

this has to be a first in olympic boxing history!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the germans are a joke. this should NOT BE ALLOWED!!!!!!!!!!

i cant voice my disgust in a strong enough manner.:verysad:verysad:barf:barf:barf:barf:barf:barf

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl Our Fuhrer Hitler must be rolling in his grave.

[NBT]

The Soviet people can't be argued to owe anything to a nation which tortured, burned and buried their ancestors alive. The things they were doing puts the actions and views of the Soviet Union's many nations into perspective.
Sure although it's not like the Russians were gracious victors. The shit they did during their move towards Berlin wasn't exactly mankinds brightest moments either. So I get a slight feeling of hypocrisy (talking about "morals rights") especially from Odo.
Belarus lost about 3.000.000 people due to Germany's generosity in wiping out entire villages.It is estimated that German nazis burnt down and destroyed more than 1.500 villages in Belarus. Belarus lost 30%(like the USA would have lost 70.000.000 people in WW II) of its population and you jester are speaking about railroads and German war criminals!
I spoke about that because that's what the Soviet Union took for "compensation" when all was said and done, because I thought that was your whole point? My point is that the Soviet Union drained Germany as much as they could post war and certainly don't deserve anything more.
Germany is a rich country.It is no big deal to pay 5.000.000.000 or 6.000.000.000 $ for compensation of its committed crimes in Belarus.
:lol: Oh dear... Did you know that Germany has a debt of more that 1.500.000.000.000 Euro? The matter of fact is that Russia is a damn rich country it simply doesn't bother about social standards like Western Europe. I mean look at the billions of Euros they make for selling Gas and Oil to Europe. It's an internal problem no money would change that. If you give money to Russia it the same as the development aids for Africa, wasted and burned money. It just goes into the pockets of the Lukashenkos and the Russian Oligarchs who buy themselves another Chelski.

[avk47]

Sure although it's not like the Russians were gracious victors. The shit they did during their move towards Berlin wasn't exactly mankinds brightest moments either. So I get a slight feeling of hypocrisy (talking about "morals rights") especially from Odo.


I wont speak for Odo, but speaking for myself I don't see any hypocracy. You can (and should) be a gracious victor in sports, but not in war when the enemy has killed your family. If I was a Russian soldier of any rank during that time I would certainly not be a 'gracious victor', and speaking to my grandad's friends tells me they weren't either.

In any case, I personally do not blame Germany for the present Russian situation, and agree that sending money to the former Soviet Union will not end up in the hands of the people. What has happened in that region is an internal problem. Blaming third nations is simply avoiding dealing with it!

[Kolya]

I wont speak for Odo, but speaking for myself I don't see any hypocracy. You can (and should) be a gracious victor in sports, but not in war when the enemy has killed your family. If I was a Russian soldier of any rank during that time I would certainly not be a 'gracious victor', and speaking to my grandad's friends tells me they weren't either.

In any case, I personally do not blame Germany for the present Russian situation, and agree that sending money to the former Soviet Union will not end up in the hands of the people. What has happened in that region is an internal problem. Blaming third nations is simply avoiding dealing with it!

But it's so much easier than actually having to deal with the problems.

[kurt2006]

Even more surprising to me is that so few German boxers qualified for the olympics given the popularity of the sport in Germany these days. Is amateur boxing in Germany not very well participated in or something?

Its not that suprising considering the crap like Ottke the germans have had to watch.

Not very good at much nowadays are the germans, there athletes are nothing special, their pro boxers need dodgy refs and there football team is boring.

[Serenata]

Its not that suprising considering the crap like Ottke the germans have had to watch.

Not very good at much nowadays are the germans, there athletes are nothing special, their pro boxers need dodgy refs and there football team is boring.

I like your country too :D

[avk47]

But it's so much easier than actually having to deal with the problems.

Naturally. Just become a neo-nazi and beat up grandmothers returning from a twenty hour work day at the market, or talented and physically fragile young Armenian students (who was also orthodox christian) in trains. Clearly helping the country rise!

[avk47]

Your Freestyle and Greco-Roman Wrestling teams are also comprised of Ossetian, Dagestani and Chechyns.

Most Freestyle and Greco-Roman wrestling teams are composed of those nations. THey are just really damn good, and win in whichever country they move too.

[Kolya]

Naturally. Just become a neo-nazi and beat up grandmothers returning from a twenty hour work day at the market, or talented and physically fragile young Armenian students (who was also orthodox christian) in trains. Clearly helping the country rise!

Za rodinu.

Do you not use MSN anymore? :lol:

[Hrak]

Naturally. Just become a neo-nazi and beat up grandmothers returning from a twenty hour work day at the market, or talented and physically fragile young Armenian students (who was also orthodox christian) in trains. Clearly helping the country rise!
Its a true shame and to be frank, poverty has nothing to do with it, its a social disease.

[Odo]

Your Freestyle and Greco-Roman Wrestling teams are also comprised of Ossetian, Dagestani and Chechyns.


The Chechens know how to fight. Thats for sure!
One of the Chechen heroes will fight on the undercard of Wlad vs Thompson.
Young rising shooting star Baysangurov will square off against a decent fighter,Ivan Gontsa,who drawed with Roman Dzuman in his last outing to a ring.

[Odo]

Sure although it's not like the Russians were gracious victors. The shit they did during their move towards Berlin wasn't exactly mankinds brightest moments either. So I get a slight feeling of hypocrisy (talking about "morals rights") especially from Odo.

I spoke about that because that's what the Soviet Union took for "compensation" when all was said and done, because I thought that was your whole point? My point is that the Soviet Union drained Germany as much as they could post war and certainly don't deserve anything more.

:lol: Oh dear... Did you know that Germany has a debt of more that 1.500.000.000.000 Euro? The matter of fact is that Russia is a damn rich country it simply doesn't bother about social standards like Western Europe. I mean look at the billions of Euros they make for selling Gas and Oil to Europe. It's an internal problem no money would change that. If you give money to Russia it the same as the development aids for Africa, wasted and burned money. It just goes into the pockets of the Lukashenkos and the Russian Oligarchs who buy themselves another Chelski.


Russia a rich country? Moscow and the rest of Russia are two different worlds. Moscow is rich.No doubt about it! Russia??? Nah!
Yep! Russia has made a lot of money within the last few years.
Lukashenka is no Russian oligarch,nbt! He is a farmer from a remote region in Belarus who happens to be today's president in Belarus.He is still quite popular there-especially in the countryside and among pensioners.
Nodoby can really say whether this is true or not,but he doesnt have the reputation of taking bribes or filling his own pockets with state owned money.Dont get me wrong! I dont want to defend him.He is a dictator,but his name isnt Saddam from Iraq or Than Shwe from Birma.
Germany has debts,eh! Nevertheless Germany will pay millions of dollars to both Italy and Greece. My point is that Belarus should be the recipient of that money and not Germany's former close ally Italy.
Your point is that the Soviet Union drained Germany as much as they could and certainly doesnt deserve anything anymore! I dont think so,and I totally disagree with you.
I dont deny that Germany suffered a lot after the end of WWII,but you have to put things into the right perspective.
Germany went beserk and caused mayhem during WWII especially in the eastern part of Europe wiping out the population of whole regions,destroying countless cities, slaining millions of innocent children and women,destroying numerous churches,and so on.
Germany still pays millions of bucks to the Jews,will continue doing so for ages,and will have to compensate the Greeks and the Italians again.
The Germans have built an huge number of monuments and memorials in honour of the slain jews,gypsies,homosexuals,and so on. Tell me,nbt,where can I find a memorial for the 3.000.000 killed Belarussian people in Germany!!!Belarus and Poland are the two countries in europe which suffered the most at the hands of the Germans.
Hypocrisy??? At least the Poles have received great parts of some former German provinces.
Belarus has obtained peanuts over the years ! Yes, Germany has a moral obligation to help Belarus.
Isnt it a shame that the Czech Republic,which doesnt have any particular strong bonds with Belarus,has signed a special treaty with Belarus allowing 150,000 Belarussian people enter their soil obtaining a work permission without a special visa whereas Germany still treats Belarussian visa applicants like unwelcomed beggars????Germany needs a foreign labour force. Belarussians are industrious and obedient people. Germany has the clout to make things going within the EU. The Czech Republic doesnt have the same political and economical power as Gemany has.Thats why the Czechs still have problems with the implementation of aforementioned treaty within the regulations of the EU.
You got my point,nbt! YES! Germany has the moral obligation to help Belarus,the Ukranians,and the Poles in one way or another.
Germany is a rich country,one of the richest and most powerful countries on this fucking little planet.

No German can simply say that he doesnt care a fig for Germany's history and the consequent obligations to other nations and its inhabitants.
Most Germans seem to forget that not only the Jews suffered during WWII ,but many other nations as well.
Believe me,most Belarussians certainly dont think the way I think as they have no clue how things are going outside Belarus !
The Germans are welcomed with open hands and arms in Belarus. A lot of Germans and private German orgs have helped to ease the pains of the chernobyl disaster. Countless young Belarussian kids have stayed in Germany for their holidays thanks to the aforementioned German orgs and individuals.
To make my point very clear and undestandable, no German individual(apart from the war criminals) has a moral obligation to help a country like Belarus,but the German state for sure has such an obligation.

[Odo]

Its a true shame and to be frank, poverty has nothing to do with it, its a social disease.

You are right,hrak! It is a social disease! The decisive factor is the incompetent Russian political class which has ruled the country for the last decades.

Made me sick to watch Maxim "Tesak" Martsinkevich on the net or listening to yougsters who consider him to be a very "cool" guy. I am glad that he is now behind prison bars.He is the ugly head of those modern terrorists who make Moscow and Petersbourg a very dangerous place for certan ethnic groups.

[NBT]

Of course Russia is a rich country, it's just a matter of how the money is distributed. While Western Europe believes in minimum social standards for everyone (that why we get amounts of immigrant after all) there is non of it in Russia but it doesn't make it a less rich country. If you want better living conditions for people in Russia tell that to the Abramovichs, the money is right there. And I know that Lukashenko isn't a Russian Oligarch and I didn't say that, I meant exactly what I wrote, no need to twist my words.
btw now we're talking... you don't care about true "compensation" because the Soviet Union compensated themselves more than enough. You just want a convenient source of money. No matter what you would still claim money. If Germany were drained dry and had living conditions like a third world country you would ask for money, if Germany paid billions of Euros each year for the next 100 years you would still ask for more. You want memorials? You can't be serious. There were are quadrillions of memorials put up in East Germany for the victim of Soviet Union.
And you talk about how Germany isn't allowing even more immigrants while we already allowed millions to live here, work here, compete here and what do we get? Threads like that with dozens of lame comments. You don't see the hypocrisy? Well, thank you.

[avk47]

Its a true shame and to be frank, poverty has nothing to do with it, its a social disease.

It sickens me, and I consider them national traitors. It embarasses me that they are associated with my people!

[avk47]

Za rodinu.

Do you not use MSN anymore? :lol:

No. I work about 16 hours a day or so and it is blocked at work. :nut

[Kolya]

No. I work about 16 hours a day or so and it is blocked at work. :nut


Where are you working these days? In Holland?

[avk47]

Yes; I am well aware of this. The Caucasus are overflowing with Violent retards. :D

Can Islam Timurziex wrestle??? :hey

I'm pretty sure he can.

[avk47]

Where are you working these days? In Holland?

Nah, London at the mo.

[Odo]

Of course Russia is a rich country, it's just a matter of how the money is distributed. While Western Europe believes in minimum social standards for everyone (that why we get amounts of immigrant after all) there is non of it in Russia but it doesn't make it a less rich country. If you want better living conditions for people in Russia tell that to the Abramovichs, the money is right there. And I know that Lukashenko isn't a Russian Oligarch and I didn't say that, I meant exactly what I wrote, no need to twist my words.
btw now we're talking... you don't care about true "compensation" because the Soviet Union compensated themselves more than enough. You just want a convenient source of money. No matter what you would still claim money. If Germany were drained dry and had living conditions like a third world country you would ask for money, if Germany paid billions of Euros each year for the next 100 years you would still ask for more. You want memorials? You can't be serious. There were are quadrillions of memorials put up in East Germany for the victim of Soviet Union.
And you talk about how Germany isn't allowing even more immigrants while we already allowed millions to live here, work here, compete here and what do we get? Threads like that with dozens of lame comments. You don't see the hypocrisy? Well, thank you.

I somehow have the feeling that you want to misunderstand me or misinterpret my words,nbt!
First of all Russia is a hot destination for immigrants whether there are minimum social standards or not. You dont seem to be very familar with the situation there,nbt! Anyway! Thats not the point I want to make!
I am totally convinced that Germany as a nation has the moral obligation to help the nations it destroyed during WWII.Atrocities have been committed in all wars for ages,but the Germans systematically wiped out entire villages killing babys,children,and women bringing havoc to innocent civilians in the remotest hamlets.
The soviet army didnt kill -systematically - women and children when they finally invaded and defeated Germany on German soil.
Convenient source of money,eh! Germany a third world country,eh!
Nah! Germany is one of the richest and best organised societies on this planet.And neither has Germany been a convenient source of income for any country apart from probably Israel.
Money? Not necessarily,Germany could finance and built thousands of new apartments blocks for the descedants of the its victims in Belarus and some other countries.Germany could also open its labour market for workers from Belarus and other countries.
Makes me think twice why Germany hasnt opened its market for Polish,Czech,and Baltic labour force whereas GB,France,Spain,Italy,and the Scandinavian countries(which didnt cause mayhem and despair in their neighbouring countries) have done so in the meantime.
Poland is a member of the EU,but Germany still treats its citizens as if they were poor Africans who want to settle on German soil for good.
Germany should have been the first country in the EU to open its market for Polish workers as Germany massacred a great portion of the Polish population during WW II. It wouldnt have cost Germany any money. Quite the contrary GB has benefited a lot of its skilled newly arrived Polish,Czech,and Baltic labour force.
The tiny Czech Republic wants to open its labour market for Belarussians workers.Why not the Germans? Dont give me that crap that there is a lot of unemployment in Germany! Germany desperately needs skilled foreign workers. Germany's underclass doesnt want to work at all,and the Germans have not enough kids to fill the ranks and occupy vacant skilled workplaces.
By the same token Germany has systematically sealed its labour market against the influx of any eastern european workers.Yes, millions of immigrants have entered Germany over the last couple of years.Most of them stem either from Vietnam,the Arab countries,or from the backward African countires.
And by the way tell the survivors of Germany's generous try to wipe out their families in Belarus that they cant be serious to ask for any compensation!!!

As for the memorials you obviously have no clue what you are speaking about,mate! The Belarussian embassy is located in front of the main entrance of the great soviet memorial in Treptower Park in Berlin.Funnily, I dont live far away from that embassy here in Berlin.
The Treptower Park memorial has been maintained very well by the Germans,but there is no policeman guarding it.Thats why every day there are drunkards,bums,or other riff-raff lying on its meadows having bottles of beers in front of the daily busloads of Russian tourists who intend to have a glance at that still famous memorial back in Russia.Lots of Russian tourists get very angry when watching how the Germans honour their killed soldiers.
As for your mentioned quadrillions of memorials in honour of the former soviet union they have been either destroyed or removed by the East Germans within the last 10 years. You can hardly find any soviet memorial in the eastern part of GErmany anymore.
Besides thats not the point anyway! I dont care a fig for those soulless and cold soviet monuments and memorials which have honoured an ideology and a political system killed about 19 years ago. The soviet union is death!!!

Germany has no problems to honour its slaughtered victims among the jews,the homosexuals,and so on.
I dont deny that they suffered a lot at the hands of nazis,but where can I find a memorial for the millions of slain and killed Belarussians,Russians,Poles,and Ukranians in the centre of Germany's capital Berlin.
Behind the American embassy and next to the Brandenburg gate there is a huge memorial for the exterminated jews-where is such a place for the killed eastern europeans and Russians??
You may like it or not but Germany has a moral obligation to help those nations and peoples it killed and slaughtered without any mercy during WWII.
I am not speaking about money now. Help can be delivered in many different ways! At times an open hand is better than gold thrown with dispise at the feet of a nation,nbt!

[NBT]

I wonder who is misinterpreting whom here. Seems to me like I constantly have to correct your convient interpretations of my words. Of course Russia is a destination for immigrants because as a second world country it's above third world countries, what's your point? It's still not even remotely comparable to the huge amounts of immigrants that want to get into Western Europe. And your claims about what Germany should do are really getting ridiculous and so out of hand, it's not worth further discussion, hypocrisy at it's best. With every posting you make it more clear what this is about. I'm sure you'd love it (of course you will never admit it so no need to deny it) if Germans would live like a third world country with all values they are producing going to Eastern Europe, because "they are obliged to". Your delusional comments about the German labour market really show that you have no clue what you're talking about and just see what you want to see. Highly qualified workers can always get in but there are very few available. Coincidently there are a Belarusian and a Czech employed as software developers at the company I'm working for. :lol: 150000 Belarussians certainly don't fit the description. We have more than enough low and medium skilled foreign workers, the high unemplyment rate is no crap but a fact and is actually severely dragging down the social standards in recent years. Every year the gouvernement spends more money than they actually have and the debt is growing. Yeah, but of course we can waste quadrillions of Euros for Eastern Europe... Sure thing, thanks for the insight, Odo, brilliant deductions once again. I particulary like the connection between WW2 victims and Germany being forced to let Eastern Europeans work here, good stuff.
By the same token Germany has systematically sealed its labour market against the influx of any eastern european workers.Yes, millions of immigrants have entered Germany over the last couple of years.Most of them stem either from Vietnam,the Arab countries,or from the backward African countires.
btw once again complete bullshit, not even remotely true. see: [Only registered and activated users can see links]
The biggest group of immigrants in recent years are Turks (14% of the immigrant), but then it's all Eastern Europeans, Russians(over 9 %), Poles (7%), Romanias, Serbs, Bosnians, Croats and so on. Immigrants are generally less qualifed and more unemployed than Germans.

Oh boyy... I hear you're not speaking of money but the only thing you do is claiming that Germany is obliged to do this and that and everything that requires enormous amounts of money. :roll: Well, end of discussion for me, you can rant a bit more about what Germany should pay for if you like, you need a new flatscreen, a Mercedes, a yacht maybe? Something Abramovich would be proud of?

[mike]

The US of A must be your biggest nightmare as no native American is on their roster...
ha ha ha ha ha. born in america...and so i am american. that simple.

[Odo]

I wonder who is misinterpreting whom here. Seems to me like I constantly have to correct your convient interpretations of my words. Of course Russia is a destination for immigrants because as a second world country it's above third world countries, what's your point? It's still not even remotely comparable to the huge amounts of immigrants that want to get into Western Europe. And your claims about what Germany should do are really getting ridiculous and so out of hand, it's not worth further discussion, hypocrisy at it's best. With every posting you make it more clear what this is about. I'm sure you'd love it (of course you will never admit it so no need to deny it) if Germans would live like a third world country with all values they are producing going to Eastern Europe, because "they are obliged to". Your delusional comments about the German labour market really show that you have no clue what you're talking about and just see what you want to see. Highly qualified workers can always get in but there are very few available. Coincidently there are a Belarusian and a Czech employed as software developers at the company I'm working for. :lol: 150000 Belarussians certainly don't fit the description. We have more than enough low and medium skilled foreign workers, the high unemplyment rate is no crap but a fact and is actually severely dragging down the social standards in recent years. Every year the gouvernement spends more money than they actually have and the debt is growing. Yeah, but of course we can waste quadrillions of Euros for Eastern Europe... Sure thing, thanks for the insight, Odo, brilliant deductions once again. I particulary like the connection between WW2 victims and Germany being forced to let Eastern Europeans work here, good stuff.

btw once again complete bullshit, not even remotely true. see: [Only registered and activated users can see links]
The biggest group of immigrants in recent years are Turks (14% of the immigrant), but then it's all Eastern Europeans, Russians(over 9 %), Poles (7%), Romanias, Serbs, Bosnians, Croats and so on. Immigrants are generally less qualifed and more unemployed than Germans.

Oh boyy... I hear you're not speaking of money but the only thing you do is claiming that Germany is obliged to do this and that and everything that requires enormous amounts of money. :roll: Well, end of discussion for me, you can rant a bit more about what Germany should pay for if you like, you need a new flatscreen, a Mercedes, a yacht maybe? Something Abramovich would be proud of?

yes, mr. smart guy, you are really wise.

I am tired of wasting my time with you. Obviously,you have no clue about Russia and your own country's labour market.
Ask any British poster here on esb whether they have benifited from the influx of Polish,Czech,Lithuanyan,and Latvian workers or not!
And by the way the number of imigrants who have arrived in Russia within the last few years are much higher than the number of immigrants who have decided to roll the dices in Germany.
Anyway! Thats not really the point and totally meaningless and insignificant!

I talk about millions of slaughtered and tortured women and children,but you talk about railroads.
I talk about burnt villages and wiped out families,but you talk about corruption in Russia.
I talk about systematic killings ,but you keep talking about how poor Germany is and how much Germany suffered from its victors and conquistadores.
I talk about a memerial for the slain Belarussians,Poles,Russians,and Ukranians,but you talk about the "millions" of memorials for the soviet army in the eastern part of Germany.
I talk about open hands,but you keep counting your money!
Hypocracy,eh! You do like this word,dont you!!!!

[Rebel 08]

according to Mr.Tocca germany is the last safe haven of pure sportsmanship, especially in boxing:lol:

he will even assure you that nelson mandela is actually german if it suits his cause:rofl

just one little problem: rest of the world dont see it that way:D.

anyways, i know that the big german companies pay spammers like him to invade internet forums to spout propaganda that aids their business.
it aint novel.

Fuck me but ye talk some amount of shit on this thread!