Raymond Daniels vs Jeremiah Metcalf (daniels mma debut Video)

[boxingcar]

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[boxingcar]

Ok i'm just done watching his fight...and this is a perfect example. (and a predictable one too )...This reflects the type of shit i'm constantly saying to boxing fans but they don't wanna fucking understand it.

Raymond starts his usual shit...very confident , he was about to do a replica of the usual stuff he does in his own sport , dancing around his opponent and as soon as the other guy had him in the clinch it was over.

There's no ref to separate the fucking fighters during the clinch like they do in other combat sports. And since the ref doesn't intervene , unless the guy knows how to put the situation to his advantage...he's fucked....

The rest is too predictable...opponent forces him to go to the ground and the rest is history... If you wanna achieve something in this sport , you imperatively need to also be dominant in wrestling and to at least have a basic knoweldge in sub defense...No one's demanding you to be the ultimate Sub wiz or anything...but shit...

That's why each time a guy tells me..prime klit , prime lewis would do this or that , prime tyson etc....I just can't take them seriously... Yeah it's fucking possible...yeah "maybe" there's a chance...but again , it's a small one...

a striker just has a puncher's chance...and if his opponent gets him in the clinch...finito.

But what are the odds to land the perfect , flush KO before the takedown ?...small fucking odds that's for sure. and even if it happens..you can't rely on it indefinitly...you'll have more losses than wins...

kickboxing , muay thai or boxing...are all way too different compared to mma

[mann187]

True that people are delusional when they think just having basic takedown defence and superior striking will win them a fight.


We can look at Lesnar a monster who has wrestling skills that 99% of mma fighters dont but it meant nothing because he had no sub defence.

MMA means exactly what it says on the tin, Mixed Martial Arts. Without a good mix you can only go so far, some just seem to get found out quicker than others

[dwilson]

True that people are delusional when they think just having basic takedown defence and superior striking will win them a fight.


We can look at Lesnar a monster who has wrestling skills that 99% of mma fighters dont but it meant nothing because he had no sub defence.

MMA means exactly what it says on the tin, Mixed Martial Arts. Without a good mix you can only go so far, some just seem to get found out quicker than others





Great point. Mixed martial arts states what is needed in its name. You have got to be way better than competent at various styles to stand a chance in the sport, otherwise you end up lookiing stupid like Brock.

[Polymath]

Great point. Mixed martial arts states what is needed in its name. You have got to be way better than competent at various styles to stand a chance in the sport, otherwise you end up lookiing stupid like Brock.

Brock didn't look anything like stupid. He was beating the shit out of a seasoned veteran and former UFC Champ, avoiding several armbar attempts, and eventually got caught.

Aren't you the same person who said a one-dimensional wrestler has no chance against a one-dimensional boxer in youngtypos 'streetfighting' thread? :patsch

[dwilson]

Brock didn't look anything like stupid. He was beating the shit out of a seasoned veteran and former UFC Champ, avoiding several armbar attempts, and eventually got caught.

Aren't you the same person who said a one-dimensional wrestler has no chance against a one-dimensional boxer in youngtypos 'streetfighting' thread? :patsch




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No I am not that person. Can not remember who it was and that is not my point of view at all but sometimes it is fun to wind younghyppo up, I really can not remember saying anything like that though.




Brock looked great for a short time but the manner of his loss was very disapointing in the manner of the finish. Brock is taking the sport seriously though and will improve his alround game and I doubt he will leave himself open to that again even against guys who are not Frank Mir.

I like Brock and thought that loss was probably better long term for him than him just beating Mir up and taking a win. He will progress into something very good in the sport.



I know some people have a huge hard on for wrestling but you guys need to calm down sometimes.

[Polymath]

No I am not that person. Can not remember who it was and that is not my point of view at all but sometimes it is fun to wind younghyppo up, I really can not remember saying anything like that though.
Thats almost exactly what you said. It was weird, youngtypo, in his own inimitable way, was the only person in that thread who had any idea what the f'k he was talking about. :lol:

[sugarngold]

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I believe Bruce would have added a fifth range for SUBMISSIONS. Otherwise, therein lies the truth.

[Polymath]

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I believe Bruce would have added a fifth range for SUBMISSIONS. Otherwise, therein lies the truth.

Sure. Well rounded etc etc.

Point is: you can be pretty one-dimensional if you're Mark Kerr, you can't if you're Raymond Daniels.

[Tko4]

Daniels got absolutely raped, but kudos for Strikeforce putting him in fairly tough for his first fight. Unlike Kimbo Slice, he didn't get a tomato can.

[sugarngold]

Sure. Well rounded etc etc.

Point is: you can be pretty one-dimensional if you're Mark Kerr, you can't if you're Raymond Daniels.

I am not disagreeing with you. Lee always said that anyone with one year of wrestling and one year of boxing would beat the crap out of most karate black belts. Wrestling is a great place to start. Ask the Greeks.

[sugarngold]

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I think this means we can go ahead and drop those Cung Le comparisons. Le is still undefeated and the champ.

[dwilson]

Thats almost exactly what you said. It was weird, youngtypo, in his own inimitable way, was the only person in that thread who had any idea what the f'k he was talking about. :lol:



Well if I did say that. :-( I am sorry. I was talking bollocks. :verysad Pretty sure I would have been on the wind up with him or someone. Those threads are good for a laugh.


I was also talking bollocks when I said Japs can not fight at night. I mean it is 2008 and they have night vision goggles now for fucks sake.

[Polymath]

I think this means we can go ahead and drop those Cung Le comparisons. Le is still undefeated and the champ.

Definitely, which is a pity. I'm really enjoying watching these guys like Le and Machida bring a (sort of) new style of striking into MMA.

[coog]

I am not disagreeing with you. Lee always said that anyone with one year of wrestling and one year of boxing would beat the crap out of most karate black belts. Wrestling is a great place to start. Ask the Greeks. Where did Bruce Lee say this? There is a difference in sport karate and regular karate (self defence karate) There are some techniques that are not permissable in MMA. I have trained in about everything. It really depends on the person and how they train. A striker should really be more of a defensive fighter in MMA. He or she needs a little wider stance and throw more power hand leads. A kick should really be a secondary technique. The kick on the inside of the knee isn't used enough that is actually the hardest to block onlong with the push kick or front snap kick for defensive purposes. As far as wrestling goes, I think that Greco or Sambo is the best for MMA.

[Wilhelm]

Sure. Well rounded etc etc.

Point is: you can be pretty one-dimensional if you're Mark Kerr, you can't if you're Raymond Daniels.

Yeah, that's pretty much the sum total of the "martial arts shakeup" that's happened due to MMA tournaments. Techniques like takedowns and clinches are much higher percentage than precise, accurate strikes against a resisting opponent, so if you’re going to be really good at one thing it’s better to be really good at something high percentage.

Is this always true in “street fights” though? Perhaps not as much as in sanctioned MMA fights.

[codeman99998]

Where did Bruce Lee say this? There is a difference in sport karate and regular karate (self defence karate) There are some techniques that are not permissable in MMA. I have trained in about everything. It really depends on the person and how they train. A striker should really be more of a defensive fighter in MMA. He or she needs a little wider stance and throw more power hand leads. A kick should really be a secondary technique. The kick on the inside of the knee isn't used enough that is actually the hardest to block onlong with the push kick or front snap kick for defensive purposes. As far as wrestling goes, I think that Greco or Sambo is the best for MMA.

Bullshit! Early MMA events allowed almost everything and Karate didn't exactly make a good showing.

[sugarngold]

Where did Bruce Lee say this? There is a difference in sport karate and regular karate (self defence karate) There are some techniques that are not permissable in MMA. I have trained in about everything. It really depends on the person and how they train. A striker should really be more of a defensive fighter in MMA. He or she needs a little wider stance and throw more power hand leads. A kick should really be a secondary technique. The kick on the inside of the knee isn't used enough that is actually the hardest to block onlong with the push kick or front snap kick for defensive purposes. As far as wrestling goes, I think that Greco or Sambo is the best for MMA.

I'll find an interview with a quote for you if you feel that strongly about it - but this was something Bruce Lee was known to say. That's why he urged guys to (basically) cross train and use boxing and wrestling to supplement their other techniques.

[Burundanga]

Daniels got absolutely raped, but kudos for Strikeforce putting him in fairly tough for his first fight. Unlike Kimbo Slice, he didn't get a tomato can.

To be fair he attempted a sub and also held Metcalf off for awhile. He didn't panic or get GnPed either. Not THAT bad of a rapage.

[sugarngold]

To be fair he attempted a sub and also held Metcalf off for awhile. He didn't panic or get GnPed either. Not THAT bad of a rapage.

True. It's no B.J.Penn vs Duane Ludwig. That was prison style face down ass up rapage.

[coog]

Bullshit! Early MMA events allowed almost everything and Karate didn't exactly make a good showing. almost all of these guys have a karate background goofy. They couldn't hit in the back of the head. they cannot due small joint manipulation. Also MUY Tai is just another style of karate in my opinion