Pinklon Thomas in todays era

[Muchmoore]

Rewatched his fight with Tyson again today and got to wondering, how would he fare if he fought in todays era? He was tall, had a very good jab, had a VERY good chin which was evident in the Tyson fight, and fast hands. He was inconsistent though due to drugs so you didn't know which Thomas was going to show up.

I would pick Thomas to beat guys like Chageav, Peter, Ruiz, Virchis, Ibragimov without much hesitation. Valuev would be interesting due to Valuevs massive size, and I'll wait until I read some posts before I post a prediction on Wlad-Thomas.

[mr. magoo]

Alpha champion and repeat contender, but not a domineering force...

[TIGEREDGE]

if he wasn't inconsistent, he could of dominated today era

[Seamus]

about as shitty as he was in the 80's.

and heroin is a lot cheaper these days.

[Muchmoore]

about as shitty as he was in the 80's.

and heroin is a lot cheaper these days.

Thomas was in the top ten pound for pound rankings for a time, he was a very good fighter when on his A game.

[Seamus]

Thomas was in the top ten pound for pound rankings for a time, he was a very good fighter when on his A game.


Too bad he was more often on his H or C game.

Or are we to suppose these problems would not follow him to today's supposedly depleted era?

[JohnThomas1]

Too bad he was more often on his H or C game.

Or are we to suppose these problems would not follow him to today's supposedly depleted era?

Aww come on - he was a decent consistent fighter for a good 4 year stretch.

[PowerPuncher]

The only 2 guys who may beat him are Wlad and Haye, and he may beat them, Pinklon was bloody good

[heerko koois]

Top 10 for sure....he could outjab kllitscko maybe ..

[Seamus]

Aww come on - he was a decent consistent fighter for a good 4 year stretch.

He was quite talented, just like Tucker, Dokes and Tubbs. All talented guys whose potentials were unrealized because of serious drug problems. This factor has to be considered when measuring them against other fighters.

[JohnThomas1]

He was quite talented, just like Tucker, Dokes and Tubbs. All talented guys whose potentials were unrealized because of serious drug problems. This factor has to be considered when measuring them against other fighters.

He did realise his potential for 4 years or so tho. As a matter of fact he was a very good fighter right up until he lost his crown. 5 or 6 excellent years.

[ChrisPontius]

Yes, he'd be at or near the top of the division for quite a while and be ranked in the top3 along with Wlad, Chagaev, Peter, Valuev, etc. Thomas is one of the better fighters never to win the linear title.

[Muchmoore]

How do you guys seeing him doing against the top guys today? Meaning 1. Wlad, 2. Peter, 3. Chageav, 4. Povetkin and David Haye?

[Seamus]

How do you guys seeing him doing against the top guys today? Meaning 1. Wlad, 2. Peter, 3. Chageav, 4. Povetkin and David Haye?

Firstly, Haye has proven nothing at HW so throw him out.

He loses to the overwhelming offense of Wlad, the dynamic activity and movement of Chagaev and Povetkin but troubles and possibly beats Peter.

Could he beat any of these guys on the right night? Sure. But so could Marvin Hart.

Thomas' great win-streak was primarily over under-achievers and seriously flawed heavies so let's get too carried away.

[Bigcat]

Had a great Jab and a solid right hand , he was a force at his best and would shock a few cats today.. Wladimir would struggle with the power and slick movement.. He wouldn't just fall out after a few slaps...

[Mendoza]

The only 2 guys who may beat him are Wlad and Haye, and he may beat them, Pinklon was bloody good

Hey now, Haye has done next to nothing as a heavyweight. Until Haye wins a few matches, it’s premature to put him on top. I tend to think the best five heavies today all beat Haye.

As for Thomas, I think he is good enough to be a top 5 fighter today. I could see him as one of the champions. Thomas had an average right hand, and did not seem to fight smart. He was also inconsistent.

[SuzieQ49]

thomas would clean out the division today pretty easily, with the possible exception of wlad. thomas beat witherspoon much worse than holmes did, and holmes avoided thomas like a plague in 84-85 because thomas would have beaten holmes pretty clearly by that time. its a shame thomas never got the shot, holmes would have lost.

[Seamus]

It seems like anyone who lets 20 or more years pass on his underwhelming career gets a great appraisal on this board.

It's getting predictable and boring.

[TBooze]

Thomas was very good, but no matter what the era, his demons would always stop him getting to the very top IMO.

[Holmes' Jab]

Peak Pinky would be one of the very best around, top 3 for sure. Perhaps only Wlad is better from the current crop. Why the mention of Haye? if or when he does anything at HW then we'll talk.

[DamonD]

Think how good he could've been if he hadn't been wrecking his system with coke and blow. He looked and moved like an old man way before his time.

[Muchmoore]

Peak Pinky would be one of the very best around, top 3 for sure. Perhaps only Wlad is better from the current crop. Why the mention of Haye? if or when he does anything at HW then we'll talk.

I see your point but Haye has beaten numerous elite 200 pound fighters who enter the ring above that weight. Those fighters aren't much smaller than the best of the 80s, with exceptions of course.

[Titan1]

He was quite talented, just like Tucker, Dokes and Tubbs. All talented guys whose potentials were unrealized because of serious drug problems. This factor has to be considered when measuring them against other fighters.

He was good, but I never thought he had Dokes', or Tubbs' ability.

[Vantage_West]

Too bad he was more often on his H or C game.

Or are we to suppose these problems would not follow him to today's supposedly depleted era?:rofl :rofl :rofl


































:-( :bart:verysad :roll: :nono

[Vantage_West]

Hey now, Haye has done next to nothing as a heavyweight. Until Haye wins a few matches, it’s premature to put him on top. I tend to think the best five heavies today all beat Haye.

As for Thomas, I think he is good enough to be a top 5 fighter today. I could see him as one of the champions. Thomas had an average right hand, and did not seem to fight smart. He was also inconsistent.true but the cruiser limit back then was 190. haye in all respects would be fighting heavywieghts, true small heavy's but still top contenders.

most cruisers arnt even crsuierswieghts. most are guys with 10 pounds to lose before fights. some kill themselves to make wieght.

im sure most cruisers would have a good shot at heavywieght glory...just no point having a wieght disadvantage.

[Seamus]

He was good, but I never thought he had Dokes', or Tubbs' ability.


yup. and who ever pointed out that Pinky looked old before his time, they are right on, too. I remember seeing him on tv in the late 80's and he looked 50.

[ChrisPontius]

How do you guys seeing him doing against the top guys today? Meaning 1. Wlad, 2. Peter, 3. Chageav, 4. Povetkin and David Haye?

The thing is, he was the kind of fighter who wasn't consistent for too long.

At his best, his power + chin make him very hard for Haye to overcome... hard to judge Haye now, but until then i'd pick a peak Thomas over him.

I think he'd beat Peter, Chagaev would be a close one.. Povetkin i think would beat Thomas and Wlad probably beats him as well, bad stylistic matchup for Pinkie who got lazy with the jab too often. For instance, during the Weaver fight.

A lot would depend on how focused he would be on his career, but he'd beat many and at least give a good account of himself in losing fashion until he's truely finished, like he was against Holyfield.

[godking]

I would only pick Wlad or possibly Povetkin to beat him but he has a good chance against them .

[biglads]

Anyone have a copy of his album?

'Music with Big Pink' or similar. :rofl

[Unforgiven]

Pinklon Thomas was the number 1 fighter in the world for a while (1984-'86).

I thought his win over Witherspoon was CLEAR CUT and the judge who scored it a draw was either blind or crooked.

Thomas burned out quick, he declined from '86 onwards, and rapidly.

He's a good candidate for the third-best heavyweight of the 80s, behind Tyson and Holmes.

There's nothing wrong with recognizing his achievements.

[DamonD]

Anyone have a copy of his album?

'Music with Big Pink' or similar. :rofl
Wow, really?

[biglads]

Wow, really?

Yep.

I remember reading an article ages ago about Heavyweight boxers 'other' careers. Frazier and Holmes both perhaps more famously both liked to sing (poorly, it must be said) but there was also a little bit about Pinklon releasing an album.

Who knows, this could be just the tip of the iceberg..... I'd love to get anything recorded by Mike Weaver and the P-Funk Allstars or Grandmaster Greg Page and the Furious Five Rounder.

[mr. magoo]

Yep.

I remember reading an article ages ago about Heavyweight boxers 'other' careers. Frazier and Holmes both perhaps more famously both liked to sing (poorly, it must be said) but there was also a little bit about Pinklon releasing an album.

Who knows, this could be just the tip of the iceberg..... I'd love to get anything recorded by Mike Weaver and the P-Funk Allstars or Grandmaster Greg Page and the Furious Five Rounder.

Is there one called Looney Cooney and the Inmates?

[biglads]

Is there one called Looney Cooney and the Inmates?

/me checks ebay & YouTube

[mr. magoo]

/me checks ebay & YouTube

It was meant to be a joke.

[biglads]

It was meant to be a joke.

So was my response :patsch