bunce talking great about cortez

[TIGEREDGE]

bunce is spot on about cortez and that fight. that was disgraceful. full credit to stevie for speaking the truth warts and all

[Betty Swollocks]

that that the one where ref Cortez had the nerve to enforce the rules of boxing, and penalise Wicky?

[TIGEREDGE]

he's back to talking shit about pac and marquez fights

[onourway]

that that the one where ref Cortez had the nerve to enforce the rules of boxing, and penalise Wicky?

He just DQ'd Soto for fuck all.

Cortez has lost the plot. He lost the plot during the Hatton fight and he'd gone up a few levels tonight, complete prick.

[SleazeNation]

That is the most unjustified win I've seen. Before the announcement I didn't even consider it might be a DQ. Bizarre.

[Shev]

Cortez was completely clueless in there, this is becoming a trend and he can't be trusted in a world title fight.

[GazOC]

Cortez needs to retire.

[GazOC]

..and that result overturned.

[dwilson]

Infirm but unfair.

[LB3000]

Bunce was spot on, Cortez needs to retire as that was a joke. He even had the nerve to defend himself. Lorenzo's acting didn't help matters either. You got to feel for Soto as he was denied a world title.

[Jack Dempsey]

Hopefully it'll get changed to a NC on appeal

[DamonD]

I thought Bunce was about to lunge across the table and devour the presenter in a psychotic rage.

[chesh]

Infirm but unfair.

:lol: :lol:

[mike464]

Didn't Khan hit that crap guy harder than that while he was down and Micky Vann just gave him a cheeky grin and told him not to do it again. Another thing, can you expect not to be hit while down if you take a knee when your opponent is in the middle of a combination?

[trotter]

Didn't Khan hit that crap guy harder than that while he was down and Micky Vann just gave him a cheeky grin and told him not to do it again. Another thing, can you expect not to be hit while down if you take a knee when your opponent is in the middle of a combination?
Cortez let Pacman hit Marquez with a far cleaner shot when down in their first fight and didn't even acknowledge it. It happens all the time, it's natural, especially when finishing a combo.

After all's said and done he just lost control, totally. He tried to stop it before that and was physically unable to do it, from that point he didn't know what was going on.


I've just had a funny memory actually... anyone remember Maussa trying to hit Vivian Harris when he was down? Brilliant. He missed too !!!!

[ro88o]

Bunce on the "conference" farce at ringside, while lorenzo was laid out with claret spiliing out of his face:

"Cortez was like a prostitute working a room full of oil billionaires."

:rofl

you'll do for me buncey :good

[dan-b]

I've just had a funny memory actually... anyone remember Maussa trying to hit Vivian Harris when he was down? Brilliant. He missed too !!!!

I remember that. I didn't think he did miss though & Harris was actually flat out on the floor.

[Benjiabc]

Didn't Khan hit that crap guy harder than that while he was down and Micky Vann just gave him a cheeky grin and told him not to do it again. Another thing, can you expect not to be hit while down if you take a knee when your opponent is in the middle of a combination?


well exactly

[trotter]

I remember that. I didn't think he did miss though & Harris was actually flat out on the floor.

Harris was as flat as a pancake, out for the count, but his head was kind of aligned under the bottom rope... Maussa took a ten foot run up, windmilled them long arms... and hit the rope... genius

[mike464]

Harris was as flat as a pancake, out for the count, but his head was kind of aligned under the bottom rope... Maussa took a ten foot run up, windmilled them long arms... and hit the rope... geniusYeah that was great.

I can understand Jones getting DQed for hitting Griffin when he was down, although Griffin seems to make the most of it, but the ref has to be able to differentiate between a guy who actually can't continue and a guy who is just trying to win a fight by DQ. As Bunce said, if it was such a hard shot that he couldn't continue why did they just leave him on his own for 5 minutes?

[Dunky McCafferty]

that that the one where ref Cortez had the nerve to enforce the rules of boxing, and penalise Wicky?

Exactly Mr Swollocks.

This witchunt by the brits all cos Cortez didnt let Ricky break the rules is pathetic.

Its conveniently forgotten that team Hatton & all his british fans & nuthuggers were over the blue moon when Cortez was announced s the ref for the Mayweather fight.

Floyd then goes on to spank 'our' Ricky, & because Hatton failed abysmally, its all the big bad refs fault, & a scapegoat was born.

Joe Cortez is a good ref. Its sickening seeing all the Hatton nuthuggers still screaming for his blood. Hypocrites the lot of em.

Remember Hatton fans, YOU wanted Cortez to ref the fight. So live with your choices, & stop being bitchy bitches.

[dan-b]

Joe Cortez is a good ref. Its sickening seeing all the Hatton nuthuggers still screaming for his blood.

What do you expect from football fans?

[Max Molyneux]

Exactly Mr Swollocks.

This witchunt by the brits all cos Cortez didnt let Ricky break the rules is pathetic.

Its conveniently forgotten that team Hatton & all his british fans & nuthuggers were over the blue moon when Cortez was announced s the ref for the Mayweather fight.

Floyd then goes on to spank 'our' Ricky, & because Hatton failed abysmally, its all the big bad refs fault, & a scapegoat was born.

Joe Cortez is a good ref. Its sickening seeing all the Hatton nuthuggers still screaming for his blood. Hypocrites the lot of em.

Remember Hatton fans, YOU wanted Cortez to ref the fight. So live with your choices, & stop being bitchy bitches.

Didn't you see the amount of holding Cortez let Hopkins do against Calzaghe, yet makes sure Hatton didn't try It against Floyd?

He did let Floyd elbow without warning too.

You all know I'm not a huge Hatton fan either.

He clearly Is a bad ref.

[Cobbler]

Exactly Mr Swollocks.

This witchunt by the brits all cos Cortez didnt let Ricky break the rules is pathetic.

Its conveniently forgotten that team Hatton & all his british fans & nuthuggers were over the blue moon when Cortez was announced s the ref for the Mayweather fight.

Floyd then goes on to spank 'our' Ricky, & because Hatton failed abysmally, its all the big bad refs fault, & a scapegoat was born.

Joe Cortez is a good ref. Its sickening seeing all the Hatton nuthuggers still screaming for his blood. Hypocrites the lot of em.

Remember Hatton fans, YOU wanted Cortez to ref the fight. So live with your choices, & stop being bitchy bitches.

Why are you talking about the Hatton fight when this thread is about Soto v Lorenzo? Perhaps take the time to read the thread before replying? Did you even watch the fight? If you check around a bit, you'll find this is nothing to do with 'the Brits', there's a bunch of threads on the general forum ripping Cortez for exactly the same thing.

[Beeston Brawler]

I hope the result is changed to a NC on appeal, and an immediate rematch ordered.

Cortez needs to go now, he has clearly lost the plot, and all this 'I'm fair, but I'm firm nonsense' changes every fight. In one fight, holding is not allowed, the next fight headbutting is allowed, and now a guy DQ'd for jack shit!

He and Ahmet Oener should have dinner together.

[Cobbler]

Cortez' post fight interview is also fairly sickening. He manages to contradict himself multiple times in two minutes.

First says he went to watch the video to check what he'd seen but later makes references to how things looked from 'his angle'.

Says that the fight was going to be over if Soto hadn't hit Lorenzo when he was down - ummm, so he was going to stop the fight because Lorenzo was too hurt to continue, but due to Lorenzo being hit with another punch decided to leave it another five minutes before he could get any help!? Ridiculously then says something like 'safety comes first'.

Implies then, that Lorenzo couldn't continue due to the punch after he was down, even though he just said he was going to stop the fight before that.

The key point is, just as the interview is ending, Cortez realises he didn't get in his 'firm but fair' catchpahrase, and calls it back to the interviewer as he's walking away. That shows what Joe Cortez is all about. He doesn't care if an injured fighter is left without any medical attention for several minutes, as long as the spotlight is on Joe Cortez.

[Beeston Brawler]

The Jackson vs Graham fight was a case in point - it was clear that Herol was never beating a ten count, yet Cortez counted him out!

[Benjiabc]

I hope the result is changed to a NC on appeal, and an immediate rematch ordered.

Cortez needs to go now, he has clearly lost the plot, and all this 'I'm fair, but I'm firm nonsense' changes every fight. In one fight, holding is not allowed, the next fight headbutting is allowed, and now a guy DQ'd for jack shit!

He and Ahmet Oener should have dinner together.


spot on, just look at the difference in his officiating in the hatton mayweather fight and the calzaghe hopkins fight, completely different

[robpalmer135]

Cortez reffed fine for Hatton vs Mayweather in my opinion.

Bunce was spot on though, Cortez needs to go. Also the fact in the interview he completly lied about what happened. If its a DQ then its a DQ straight away. Why the hell would it take 5 men to decide on that.

[Cobbler]

Cortez reffed fine for Hatton vs Mayweather in my opinion.

Bunce was spot on though, Cortez needs to go. Also the fact in the interview he completly lied about what happened. If its a DQ then its a DQ straight away. Why the hell would it take 5 men to decide on that.

Oh yes, I forgot that bit "the rules say if you hit someone when they are down you can get a point taken off, or you may be disqualified, so I had no choice but to disqualify him". What?

[Beeston Brawler]

I thought Cortez had a shocker in the Hatton Mayweather fight, but wasn't the deciding factor in the winner of the fight.

But this has been hashed and rehashed and will continue to be for a very long time!

Time for Joe to go - he is awful lately, his handling of the Calzaghe Hopkins fight was just as bad (shit for both fighters this time), and this one just proves that his days have passed!

[Dunky McCafferty]

Why are you talking about the Hatton fight when this thread is about Soto v Lorenzo? Perhaps take the time to read the thread before replying? Did you even watch the fight? If you check around a bit, you'll find this is nothing to do with 'the Brits', there's a bunch of threads on the general forum ripping Cortez for exactly the same thing.

I did read the thread Cobbler, & it was about Bunceys rant about Cortez. To me hes only ranting because of the Hatton fight, him & most brits are so full of rage still about that fight that they pick on Cortez for anything & everything.

Wasnt the thread titled 'Bunce talking great about Cortez'? yes, it was. & I gave my opinion on why Bunce was being a nasty sod.

So I have done nothing wrong here. In fact, an apology for attacking my good self when I was only expressing an opinion on the subject matter would be most welcome, & much appreciated.

After all, I think Im due one from yourself.

[GazOC]

Cortez didn't alter the eventual outcome of Hatton-Mayweather BUT he did fuck up what could have been a very interesting fight. Between that, the JC fight and Saturday night I'd say its time to go.

[Cobbler]

I did read the thread Cobbler, & it was about Bunceys rant about Cortez. To me hes only ranting because of the Hatton fight, him & most brits are so full of rage still about that fight that they pick on Cortez for anything & everything.

You didn't see anything wrong with his handling of Saturday's fight? How do you explain that so many non-Brits and people who defended his handling of the Hatton fight were outraged at his handling of it?

So I have done nothing wrong here. In fact, an apology for attacking my good self when I was only expressing an opinion on the subject matter would be most welcome, & much appreciated.

After all, I think Im due one from yourself.

Stop being such a girl.

[Bunce]

I've written about the Hatton-Mayweather fight from ringside and countless times since, I've talked about it on Setanta, I did the delayed broadcast on BBC and it has been discussed on my BBC Five Live show a couple of times and I have never once blamed the ref or moaned about the ref. Cortez was old, infirm and unfair last Saturday. It's not a Hatton rant - it's a Cortez rant.

Adios.

[Betty Swollocks]

I agree with Dunky, we all now the agenda of you lot, and that includes Bunce.
you couldn't give 2 hoots about that fight on saturday night, it's only because you see the chance to relate it to the Hatton-PBF and how hard done by Ricky supposedly was that it's been brought up.

we never hear anything ebout shite reffing when it's Parris, Vann or one of that lot helping British fighters. So surely when Parris fucked again in the Hatton-Tszyu fight and didn't call multiple fouls and blatant cheating, he shoulda been sent out to graze? Bah.............

[onourway]

I agree with Dunky, we all now the agenda of you lot, and that includes Bunce.
you couldn't give 2 hoots about that fight on saturday night, it's only because you see the chance to relate it to the Hatton-PBF and how hard done by Ricky supposedly was that it's been brought up.

we never hear anything ebout shite reffing when it's Parris, Vann or one of that lot helping British fighters. So surely when Parris fucked again in the Hatton-Tszyu fight and didn't call multiple fouls and blatant cheating, he shoulda been sent out to graze? Bah.............

Betty has a point here.

Parris missed those multiple fouls by Tszyu, which resulted in Hatton reacting - if Parris had done a good job, he would have punished Tszyu in the correct manner and Hatton wouldn't have had to take the law into his own hands.

P.s Why is every fan in the world saying Cortez fucked up badly?? Are they all Hatton fans?

[Dunky McCafferty]

You didn't see anything wrong with his handling of Saturday's fight? How do you explain that so many non-Brits and people who defended his handling of the Hatton fight were outraged at his handling of it?



Stop being such a girl.

You know you were out of order with me Cobbs, you KNOW it! Your too proud to admit it though... Even though the proof is there for all to see:deal

[brown_bomber]

Bunce on the "conference" farce at ringside, while lorenzo was laid out with claret spiliing out of his face:

"Cortez was like a prostitute working a room full of oil billionaires."

:rofl

you'll do for me buncey :good

i was laughing my ass off watching that

[GazOC]

we all now the agenda of you lot, .

Pot. Kettle. Black.:lol:

[Cobbler]

You know you were out of order with me Cobbs, you KNOW it! Your too proud to admit it though... Even though the proof is there for all to see:deal

You really didn't watch the fight did you? Then you didn't read the thread, charged in making assumptions about what was being discussed (wrongly due to not having watched the fight/incident in question) and have been blustering ever since in an attempt to cover up.

All we need is you to declare that you're leaving ESB for good again and it'll be 'Best of Dunky' in one little neat megamix :yep

[john b]

What we need from a ref in world chmapionship fights is consistency if you penalise hatton for holding, then why not B hopkins. Thats why referees get a bollocking in each sport from football to rugby.

[dan-b]

What we need from a ref in world chmapionship fights is consistency if you penalise hatton for holding, then why not B hopkins. Thats why referees get a bollocking in each sport from football to rugby.

:dead

[john b]

Now there is no need in that I was only giving my opinion. Yes it didn't matter who reffed hatton v floyd because hatton was completely battered all I was saying is that referees no matter what form of sport most be consistent.

[safe_pa]

Now there is no need in that I was only giving my opinion. Yes it didn't matter who reffed hatton v floyd because hatton was completely battered all I was saying is that referees no matter what form of sport most be consistent.

Don't waste your time replying to dan b, he's a cunt who seems to have nothing better to do than whine, argue and post little smiley faces.
Isn't that right dan? (I'm expecting a reply filled with these :roll:)

[ro88o]

brits are so full of rage still about that fight that they pick on Cortez for anything & everything

hahahahaha.. so you dont beleive cortez deserves criticism after the soto/lorenzo fight?

if you dont then your not a true boxing fan... he discraced the sport

[ro88o]

well it wasn't directed at you fluxstuff so do one... unless your a cortez supporter too?:blood

[dan-b]

Don't waste your time replying to dan b, he's a cunt who seems to have nothing better to do than whine, argue and post little smiley faces.
Isn't that right dan? (I'm expecting a reply filled with these :roll:)

Examples please.

[safe_pa]

Examples please.
How many would you like?



What do you think this is, a fucking computer game website for geeks?

And learn to write properly you illiterate cunt.
Oh so you're the self appointed police of the forum are you? Man you really are a sanctimonious prick. You drop away son, wont bother me none.:lol:

Surely the bigger prick is the n00b, with the biggest prick in Britsh boxing for his avatar & "NEW 168 King" above it.:lol:

:dead

There's four, since I have a life and have better things to do than spend all day posting at ESB I'll leave it there. I know this is an internet forum and the people here don't make any difference to your life but being polite costs nothing.

[dan-b]

How many would you like?








There's four, since I have a life and have better things to do than spend all day posting at ESB I'll leave it there. I know this is an internet forum and the people here don't make any difference to your life but being polite costs nothing.

:lol:

Obviously you didn't read the posts that prompted two of those but thats cool. I take on board what you say.:good

[bored]

This phrase, more than anything else, makes my blood boil.
Pisses me off as well. Fucking spastic twats putting your instead of you're.

[ro88o]

Pisses me off as well. Fucking spastic twats putting your instead of you're.

you know what you're bored? a geek :yep

[trotter]

What we need from a ref in world chmapionship fights is consistency if you penalise hatton for holding, then why not B hopkins. Thats why referees get a bollocking in each sport from football to rugby.

I agree entirely.

Obviously judgement calls have to be made, but generally on things like holding/breaking they should have their own interpretation and not swing wildly in style from fight to fight.

[GazOC]

Either way, while not aimed at me, that "true boxing fan" stuff is a load of cock.

I agree, I've nothing against Robbo and agree with him on the Cortez issue but it really pisses me off when people take that angle in arguments. You may as well just say "anyone who doesn't agree with me is wrong".....

[Dunky McCafferty]

You really didn't watch the fight did you? Then you didn't read the thread, charged in making assumptions about what was being discussed (wrongly due to not having watched the fight/incident in question) and have been blustering ever since in an attempt to cover up.

All we need is you to declare that you're leaving ESB for good again and it'll be 'Best of Dunky' in one little neat megamix :yep

Cobbs, I been posting here for years. I watch most boxing. & always have an opinion backed up by facts. Once again you jump to assumptions to beat me in an argument. Of course I seen the fight. I dont see all fights right on time, but my real life boxing buddies always make sure the fights are recorded, & I always get to see them. All fighters who interest me from a scottish perspective, big & small.
You think I didnt see the fight? Well then, lets discuss in detail. Over to you. Should be fun for you, if I didnt see the fight. It wont be fun for you though. Cos I did.

Lets discuss anyway. Now cast the first stone, if you dare.

[Cobbler]

Cobbs, I been posting here for years. I watch most boxing. & always have an opinion backed up by facts. Once again you jump to assumptions to beat me in an argument. Of course I seen the fight. I dont see all fights right on time, but my real life boxing buddies always make sure the fights are recorded, & I always get to see them. All fighters who interest me from a scottish perspective, big & small.
You think I didnt see the fight? Well then, lets discuss in detail. Over to you. Should be fun for you, if I didnt see the fight. It wont be fun for you though. Cos I did.

Lets discuss anyway. Now cast the first stone, if you dare.

We were already discussing it. Feel free to join in?

Can you explain why Cortez twice jumped in between the fighters and stopped the action while Soto was getting on top? How do you explain his statement that he was already going to stop the fight before the punch that Soto was dq'd for, but he then let Lorenzo sit around bleeding for five minutes before he actually did stop the fight and got him some medical attention? Why the multiple contradictions in Cortez's interview? Do you not find it a little nauseating that his main priority is to make sure he gets his catchphrase into the interview?