Best old boxer ever?

[achillesthegreat]

Who is the best boxer ever BUT is old? I'm talking past 35 but still ringing bells.

X?
Mongoose?
Walcott?
Sugar?
Big George?

[mcvey]

Who is the best boxer ever BUT is old? I'm talking past 35 but still ringing bells.

X?
Mongoose?
Walcott?
Sugar?
Big George?
Moore

[mcvey]

Moore
Fitz won the light heavy title when he was about 40 so he has to be in there.

[Asterion]

Who is the best boxer ever BUT is old? I'm talking past 35 but still ringing bells.

X?
Mongoose?
Walcott?
Sugar?
Big George?
1. Moore
2. X
3. Walcott

[unitas]

Who is the best boxer ever BUT is old? I'm talking past 35 but still ringing bells.

X?
Mongoose?
Walcott?
Sugar?
Big George?

manning galloway:D

[Sonny's jab]

Archie Moore, I reckon.

[Stonehands89]

Archie has to be the man here. Activity, quality of competition, the fact that he was fighting bigger men,... Hopkins is astounding, but I think his pattern of caution with who he fights is rooted in a realization that he is not the same as he was at 35 or 37.

[achillesthegreat]

Moore is building up a big lead here!

[cross_trainer]

Fitz. An elderly, skinny middleweight blasting out heavyweights.

[unitas]

how about holmes?? he was 42 and beat top gun ray mercer!! and he went 12 with holy. and he was 45 when he lost to world champ ollie mccall...........by competetive decsion. no shame there.

[RafaelGonzal]

Archie Moore and Ray Robinson and George Foreman

[TBooze]

Archie Moore and Ray Robinson and George Foreman

Kind of, I make it:

1st Moore.... by an absolute mile

2nd Foreman by an absolute mile

3rd Ruby Robert

4th Robinson

[Dempsey1238]

Fitz ko 2, since this is a pass prime Fitz of couse. Prime Fitz would always read ko 1.

[TBooze]

Fitz ko 2, since this is a pass prime Fitz of couse. Prime Fitz would always read ko 1.

Actually Fitz was better than Robinson at 40+.... brilliant point.

[janitor]

Moore

Whatever he was on I want some of it.

[McGrain]

I think that the Moore that lost to Marciano would also lose to Hopkins at 175. So i'll pick Hopkins on that basis.

[Manassa]

I think that the Moore that lost to Marciano would also lose to Hopkins at 175. So i'll pick Hopkins on that basis.

But will Hopkins still be looking as good as Moore was when he's forty five?

[McGrain]

But will Hopkins still be looking as good as Moore was when he's forty five?

You know I can't answer that.

Best guess? If he's still fighting, yes, I think so. And having taken a lot less punishment it's possible he'll be looking better.

Where did you have Winky p4p before last night? You know?

[Manassa]

You know I can't answer that.

Best guess? If he's still fighting, yes, I think so. And having taken a lot less punishment it's possible he'll be looking better.

Where did you have Winky p4p before last night? You know?

I didn't rate him. I don't watch modern boxing lately, although it was good down the pub last night. I've seen Wright's fights however and think he's - you guessed it - overrated. Not an all-time great.

[McGrain]

I didn't rate him. I don't watch modern boxing lately, although it was good down the pub last night. I've seen Wright's fights however and think he's - you guessed it - overrated. Not an all-time great.

:lol:

I actually agree, no ATG, but p4p curretly he's was - possibly still is - a top ten fighter. Hopkins at 42 took him to school, beat him up a little bit, bested him in a tight fight.

[Duodenum]

I apologize for the anality of this post, but it's Sunday, and I have time to burn, so here goes.

The Ole Mongoose blazed a trail others have followed since. Over the final 15 years and 90 matches of his career, he went:

82W(56 kayos)-5L-3D.

If his birthday was indeed December 13, 1916, then he didn't turn 40 until after his loss to Floyd Patterson. His record after he turned 40 would then be:

26W(16 kayos)-2L-2D

-with his only losses coming against Giulio Rinaldi (a ten round decision loss in Rinaldi's Italy which was avenged by Archie in his final LH Title defense, a 15 round points blowout at MSG), and in his penultimate bout against Muhammad Ali.

If Archie was born in December 1913, then his record after he turned 40 would be:

43W(28 kayos)-4L-2D.

His additional two losses would be to Marciano and Patterson. One of the two draws Moore had was against Howard King, an opponent Archie went 4W(1 kayo)-0L-1D with. The other draw on his record over that time came against HOFer Willie Pastrano. In other words, every single unavenged blemish on Archie's record after he turned 40 came against a fellow enshrinee in Canastota.

After April 21, 1944 (when Moore lost to Charley Burley) until March 15, 1963 (when Archie closed out his career with a three round kayo win over Iron Mike DiBiase), Moore posted a record of:

126W(85 kayos)-14L-5D. With one exception (a 12 round draw to 117 bout Belgian veteran Karel Sys in Buenos Aires) every single unavenged blemish on that 126-14-5 record came against HOF opposition.

What's Bernard Hopkins's record since he turned 40? 3W(0 kayos)-2L-0.

B-Hop is a superb boxer, but X has eons to go before he's even on the same planet as the Ole Mongoose.

I put Holmes at number two. He boxed Esch's ears off over ten rounds when he was 53 years old, and it's simply impossible to fake that. Also, he decisioned a previously undefeated Olympic Gold Medalist handily, a twelve round boxing lesson which to my mind is more impressive than a one punch kayo. The only clear cut defeat he sustained after Tyson was against Holyfield, and he went out a winner past the half century mark.

Foreman does get number three on my chart. The only clear cut defeats he sustained after turning 40 were against Morrison and Holyfield. Like Holmes, he should have been judged the winner in his last contest against Shannon Briggs.

Duran gets my number four slot. Went 18W(9 kayoes)7L-0D after turning 40, and 7W-5L-0D after turning 45. Celebrated his 49th birthday in Panama by avenging a previous loss to Pat Lawlor in winning a 12 round decison for the NBA Super Middleweight Title.

Fitz is my fifth choice. Was past 40 when he went 20 rounds to take the World LH Championship from George Gardiner.

[Holmes' Jab]

Moore, Holmes, Fitz and Hopkins.

[AREA 53]

Far from the best, and very erractic past his peak, but considering a 28 year career, in which he had no qualms about fighting anyone, Joe "Old Bones" Brown probably deserves a mention in passing.

[Duodenum]

Willie Pep deserves a mention. After a layoff of over six years, he came back as a LW at age 42, and in a year's time posted a record of 9W (4 kayos)-1L, admittedly against less than stellar opposition, but still a respectable showing.

Luis "Lumumba" Estaba turned professional at age 29, became the inaugural world champion in the jr flyweight division after age 37, and defended the WBC light flyweight title 11 times (defeating three other world champions in the process), before Venuzuelan law forced him into retirement by age 40.

[Sonny's jab]

Maybe Jack Johnson deserves a mention.

Apparently he was still toying with his opponents as an out-of-shape 45 year old, and I've heard it said that he embarrassed Luis Firpo in a public sparring session shortly before Firpo's challenge to Dempsey.
Johnson was still doning gloves in his 50s, but got KO'd by a featherweight at age 60.

I think Evander Holyfield will get his dues in these conversations soon enough. The condition he keeps in is remarkable. A win over a genuine top 10 contender is very possibly still, and that would warrant comparison with Holmes besting Mercer. We shall see.

[Duodenum]

Maybe Jack Johnson deserves a mention.

Apparently he was still toying with his opponents as an out-of-shape 45 year old, and I've heard it said that he embarrassed Luis Firpo in a public sparring session shortly before Firpo's challenge to Dempsey.
Johnson was still doning gloves in his 50s, but got KO'd by a featherweight at age 60.Jack Johnson is a great shout. He evidently gave Pat Lester a 15 round boxing lesson in Mexico when he was 48 years old, a filmed bout that may have been recorded with a motorized camera, capturing the subtle nuances of Lil Artha's defensive movements. Against the larger and younger Lester, that must make for interesting viewing.

[MrSmall]

Case could be made for Holmes, but I'd say Mongoose and X.

[achillesthegreat]

Seems like Moore is still the man to beat!

[combatesdeboxeo]

LMAO GEORGE FOREMAN HANDS DOWN !!! OLD LOUIS, OLD LISTON,OLD ALI, OLD HOLMES, OLD HOLYFIELD,OLD TYSON.... OLD FOREMAN WOULD SHIT IN THEIR FACES. THE OLDEST HW CHAMPION EVER. WE NEVER SAW AND WE NEVER WILL SEE A BOXER AS STRONG AS GEORGE FOREMAN IN HIS 40s

ARCHIE MOORE IS THE 2 IN MY LIST.

[EireFightFan]

Honorable mention for Jersey Joe Walcott.

[bigphilla1]

if hopkins beats pascal i tink he will be the the greatest old fighter ever

[combatesdeboxeo]

if hopkins beats pascal i tink he will be the the greatest old fighter ever

not, he wouldn´t be, foreman and archie were much better

[D.T]

X?

[McGrain]

OLD FOREMAN WOULD SHIT IN THEIR FACES.

:lol:

[turpinr]

moore

[combatesdeboxeo]

:lol:

:rofl:rofl

[Unforgiven]

Sonny Liston.

No one knows how old he was.
Probably 45 when he KO'd Patterson to win the title.

Foreman would come in second.

Archie Moore was great for sure, but I think he was a bit lucky Patterson let him keep the light-heavyweight title. Then again, some say Patterson was lucky because Archie tanked for him.

[Unforgiven]

... OLD FOREMAN WOULD SHIT IN THEIR FACES..


:rofl:lol:

[Flemo83]

Hopkins

[doug.ie]

i'm not saying its hopkins, not saying it at all..
but, what an amazing achievement it would be if he beat pascal and at his age beat the best light heavyweight champion out there.
i dont know if he can do it...but it'll be part of boxing folklore, or should, if he does..
an amazingly good boxer in my eyes.

[GPater11093]

I think that the Moore that lost to Marciano would also lose to Hopkins at 175. So i'll pick Hopkins on that basis.

Still think the same?

[Unforgiven]

This Pascal guy, is he the same one who lost to Froch last year ?

[lora]

He's shit needless to say.

[klompton]

hopkins and moore

[Mendoza]

Who is the best boxer ever BUT is old? I'm talking past 35 but still ringing bells.

X?
Mongoose?
Walcott?
Sugar?
Big George?

Fitzsimmons
Moore
Foreman
V. Klitschko

[Raskolnikov]

Azumah Nelson, because he's the only old guy who didn't fight like an old guy and either get beaten up looking for the knockout punch, or try to spoil and steal a fight.

His stoppages of Ruelas and Leija in 95-96 at the age of 37-38 are easily my all-time favourite old-guy performances, fucking magic.

[doug.ie]

Azumah Nelson, because he's the only old guy who didn't fight like an old guy and either get beaten up looking for the knockout punch, or try to spoil and steal a fight.

His stoppages of Ruelas and Leija in 95-96 at the age of 37-38 are easily my all-time favourite old-guy performances, fucking magic.

one of my favourites nelson was.

if you're going to add that then we may as well add duran v barkley too...for fairness sake.

[MAG1965]

Hopkins. The guy in his 40's has beaten and fought great guys and not been knocked out. Amazing. Although eventually his age will be a problem. He is turning 46 in January. That is way too old for a nonheavyweight. A heavyweight could fight at 46 since most of them are old and lazy, but not anyone who has to make weight. Bernard is incredible.

[werety]

Moore quite clearly.

[combatesdeboxeo]

1 foreman









2 moore

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[manbearpig]

Epic beard man.