Hopkins fans get over it. He lost to Taylor twice

[quintonjacksonfan]

I laugh everytime people say Hopkins was robbed against Taylor. I have never heard of a fighter landing 8 punches a round being robbed. Hopkins was the one cutting off the exchanges by holding. Hopkins fans if you can tell me another fight where a guy landing 8 punches a round
was robbed maybe I will believe you. Until then take off those Hopkins blinders. Hopkins improved greatly in the second fight he landed 11 puncher per round while again holding and cutting off the exchanges

Can anyone answer my question? Tell me another fighter who was robbed landing 8 punches a round.

[eze]

I laugh everytime people say Hopkins was robbed against Taylor. I have never heard of a fighter landing 8 punches a round being robbed. Hopkins was the one cutting off the exchanges by holding. Hopkins fans if you can tell me another fight where a guy landing 8 punches a round
was robbed maybe I will believe you. Until then take off those Hopkins blinders. Hopkins improved greatly in the second fight he landed 11 puncher per round while again holding and cutting off the exchanges

Can anyone answer my question? Tell me another fighter who was robbed landing 8 punches a round.


Hopkins wasen't robbed per say but I do think he won the 2nd fight and possibly the first.

IDK. Taylor didn't exactly TAKE the title either and Hopkins started late.

But I have never given Taylor full credit for beating Hopkins and he has continued to show he isn't near as good as those fights.

[SUNOF7]

Hopkins shines on at 42 while Taylor's monkey ass struggles to look good against feather fisted guys like Cry Spinks... Dibella's connections at HBO have made this overrated chump who he is... He did nothing to take Hopkins' Title

[DoumB]

robbed is too big of a word, u can say that about DLH-Tito or Chavez- Sweet pea but this fight was close but I was sure hopkins won the second one and had the first fuckin even

[kg0208]

I had it a draw in the first one, but leaning towards Hops. In the 2nd one, I had it for Taylor.

I had Taylor-Wright a draw.

[jonesjrp4p1]

i had taylor winning both of the bhop fights and had taylor beating winky 116-112

[Jinx]

Taylor will look better to people when he blows away Pavlik...his fights with Hopkins and Wright were close and disputable, but they are great fighters so Taylor has to get credit for that...but if Taylor had fought a pre-Tito version of Hopkins he might've got stopped...

[Mrboogie23]

I think Taylor catches too much shit for those fights. People are pessimistic and dont look at anything in a good light. How about thinking that Taylor was competitive with two of the best fighters in recent years?

All fights were close. I can see a win for Taylor in the Hopkins fights and vice versa. I scored the wright fight a draw.

[El Bombasto]

:lol:

[Mrboogie23]

:lol:


whats funny? :huh

[C.J.Rock]

I laugh everytime people say Hopkins was robbed against Taylor. I have never heard of a fighter landing 8 punches a round being robbed. Hopkins was the one cutting off the exchanges by holding. Hopkins fans if you can tell me another fight where a guy landing 8 punches a round
was robbed maybe I will believe you. Until then take off those Hopkins blinders. Hopkins improved greatly in the second fight he landed 11 puncher per round while again holding and cutting off the exchanges

Can anyone answer my question? Tell me another fighter who was robbed landing 8 punches a round.

Utter bullcrap Taylor was given gift decisions both times Winky beat him too Get off the Taylor bandwagon Pavlik will derail it if the judges arent prepaid

[Illmatic]

Taylor won the first 7-5, and the second 7-4-1

[sues2nd]

Taylor won the first 7-5, and the second 7-4-1

Yet you also stated in a post recently that Pacman is already an ATG, but Bernard still has work to do....

So........yeah........your view may slightly be warped.




















BTW, that album is amazing. Too bad your boxing taste isnt as good as your taste in music............jk jk jk.....kinda.

:yep

[Zakman]

Utter bullcrap Taylor was given gift decisions both times Winky beat him too Get off the Taylor bandwagon Pavlik will derail it if the judges arent prepaid
Bingo. Nice to see that someone realizes how OUTRAGEOUS these decisions were. IF it wasn't for Taylor's HBO backing, and Hopkins unpopularity with the boxing establishment, Bernard would have won the first fight and there never would have been a rematch - which he also WON. :nod

After Pavlik blows Taylor away people will realize what a hype job he was. Some of us have been calling it since the moment he got his first gift against Hopkins. :yep

Oh, and Taylor has some shaky whiskers, too. Why do y'all think he's been fighting light-hitters moving up from the lower weights since Hopkins rocked him, huh??:huh

[SUNOF7]

Spinks stung him a couple of times in their bout.

[Boinko]

No one got robbed in the Hopkins fights. They were very close decisions and Taylor earned his victories. This revisionist nonsense about Hopkins getting screwed is a load of crap.
Oh, and of course, don't forget the dreaded HBO conspiracy theory!!! God help us all!!!

Bernard rolled the dice in the first fight and thought he could take the first half of the fight off and stop a tired Taylor late in the bout. It almost worked, but almost doesn't guarantee a win.
Jermain won fair and square and all the whining and bitching in the world isn't going to change that.

It's typical distorted logic from some fans, though. If the judges don't score a fight exactly the way they do, then they scream robbery.

[psychopath]

Utter bullcrap Taylor was given gift decisions both times Winky beat him too Get off the Taylor bandwagon Pavlik will derail it if the judges arent prepaid

Bullcrap? :D I guess you're full of it. How the fuck would a UD be a gift decission? Are you insinuating that the three judges were paid? :lol: :-( :huh

[Illmatic]

Yet you also stated in a post recently that Pacman is already an ATG, but Bernard still has work to do....

So........yeah........your view may slightly be warped.




















BTW, that album is amazing. Too bad your boxing taste isnt as good as your taste in music............jk jk jk.....kinda.

:yep

And again, I will respond that your reading comprehension is terrible. The thread was about people who could possibly become top10 atg. Someone said that Pac wasnt an ATG, I said that I think he already was. Then I said that HOpkins could be considered TOP 10 ATG (maybe with big letters and numbers people will read and understand) possibly if he beats Winky, Calzaghe, then Mormeck.

[audio101]

Hopkins shines on at 42 while Taylor's monkey ass struggles to look good against feather fisted guys like Cry Spinks... Dibella's connections at HBO have made this overrated chump who he is... He did nothing to take Hopkins' Title

I wouldn't exactly say he's shining, Hopkins didn't gain any respect from any one for last nights fight.:patsch

[audio101]

Utter bullcrap Taylor was given gift decisions both times Winky beat him too Get off the Taylor bandwagon Pavlik will derail it if the judges arent prepaid

yet hopkins getting the decision last night wasn't utter bullcrap? :-(

[HopkinsFan]

i had the first Taylor - Hopkins 1 point in favour of Hopkins and the second a draw i think, So i'm not gonna parade around rambling on about how he got robbed, But there will always be speculation about those decisions..

[psychopath]

i had the first Taylor - Hopkins 1 point in favour of Hopkins and the second a draw i think, So i'm not gonna parade around rambling on about how he got robbed, But there will always be speculation about those decisions..

Of course you shouldn't :D :D :D . . . common sense . . . nobody will give you credit because obviously you're Bhops nuthugger . . . you're handle clearly signifies it. :rofl :yep

[HauntingTheHoly]

IDK. Taylor didn't exactly TAKE the title either and Hopkins started late.

But I have never given Taylor full credit for beating Hopkins and he has continued to show he isn't near as good as those fights.

You act as if Taylor had nothing to do with Hopkins "starting late" - that's just fucking FUNNY. Yeah man! If Hopkins had just gotten going in round 1 and "fought the same way" as he did in the 11th round, he'd have pitched a 12 rounds-to-zero shutout! Brilliant. :roll:

Your second point is also meaningless. I don't even know where to begin. His failure to KO guys like Ouma and Spinks "shows" that he's not good enough to do what he DID DO against Hopkins? Just meaningless gibberish.

[chung]

Taylor vs Wright II should happen this year

[HauntingTheHoly]

Hopkins shines on at 42 while Taylor's monkey ass struggles to look good against feather fisted guys like Cry Spinks... Dibella's connections at HBO have made this overrated chump who he is...

So because Taylor fails to "look good" by some imaginary standard you personally invented but hold off on naming, that means he doesn't deserve the victories he earned against Hopkins?

He did nothing to take Hopkins' Title

He won more rounds than Hopkins did in their two fights. You are therefore wrong and ridiculous.

[CASH_718]

I laugh everytime people say Hopkins was robbed against Taylor. I have never heard of a fighter landing 8 punches a round being robbed. Hopkins was the one cutting off the exchanges by holding. Hopkins fans if you can tell me another fight where a guy landing 8 punches a round
was robbed maybe I will believe you. Until then take off those Hopkins blinders. Hopkins improved greatly in the second fight he landed 11 puncher per round while again holding and cutting off the exchanges

Can anyone answer my question? Tell me another fighter who was robbed landing 8 punches a round.When the other guy only lands 5 punches then..................

[CASH_718]

Taylor is 0-3 vs Winky and B-Hop.

[BobbyFalk]

Really, those 2 fights were back-to-back DRAWS, when you look at them..

[HauntingTheHoly]

I didn't see the second fight but I had the first one 114-114 at 6 rounds a piece but I feel Hopkins won his 6 more convincingly so I would've gave it to him but based on rounds it was a draw.

For the record I had Taylor 115-113 over Wright :D

This is a legitimate argument. But if one were to say they thought Hopkins should have been awarded a draw to salvage his belts, certainly that would not leave room for crying when Taylor gets a razor thin decision. Add that Hopkins gets a re-match to settle any complaints and clearly loses, and those who continue to viciously criticize Taylor begin to look like serious idiots indeed.

[CASH_718]

i had taylor winning both of the bhop fights and had taylor beating winky 116-112That could be the dubest thing I ever heard.

Harold Lettermen and the HBO crew with all there Taylor cocksucking and cheerleading could only score the fight a draw how the fuck can you give Taylor 2 more rounds then Harold Lettermen gave him???

Are you Lou DiBella???

[HauntingTheHoly]

robbed is too big of a word, u can say that about DLH-Tito or Chavez- Sweet pea but this fight was close but I was sure hopkins won the second one and had the first fuckin even

This is quite perplexing. Do you save your score cards? I'd be interested to see how you scored the second fight, b/c it seems by far the better fight for Taylor. Bhop looked in control at the end of the first fight, he looked frustrated and almost giving up at the end of the second. I had always thought Taylor-haters were just sore about the first fight b/c Taylor finished so poorly at the end. And I can't recall any media source anywhere giving the second fight to Bernard, they were all for Taylor, and with the same scores as all three judges. (115-113 for Taylor)

[HauntingTheHoly]

Utter bullcrap Taylor was given gift decisions both times Winky beat him too Get off the Taylor bandwagon Pavlik will derail it if the judges arent prepaid

Did you really think no one would notice when you responded to quintonJacksonfan's well substantiated argument with a simple one-line idiot response like this that contains NO argument? I'm just letting you know that people do notice cop-outs like this, just in case you're daft enough to think otherwise.

[HauntingTheHoly]

No one got robbed in the Hopkins fights. They were very close decisions and Taylor earned his victories. This revisionist nonsense about Hopkins getting screwed is a load of crap.
Oh, and of course, don't forget the dreaded HBO conspiracy theory!!! God help us all!!!

Bernard rolled the dice in the first fight and thought he could take the first half of the fight off and stop a tired Taylor late in the bout. It almost worked, but almost doesn't guarantee a win.
Jermain won fair and square and all the whining and bitching in the world isn't going to change that.

It's typical distorted logic from some fans, though. If the judges don't score a fight exactly the way they do, then they scream robbery.

Nice to meet someone who values reality. :hi:

Just to contrast your own honesty and integrity with the (lack of) integrity of these idiot-Taylor haters: These liars are WELL-AWARE that Taylor won the second fight, it's just too obvious not to realize. However they are biased and dishonest enough with themselves and everyone else that they are able to claim "Hopkins won the second fight!" even though they themselves don't even believe it! Truth isn't something that matters to these clowns. They are interested only in propagandizing for and against the things they like and dislike, respectively.

[HauntingTheHoly]

When the other guy only lands 5 punches then..................

Are you just joking around because you're a hopkins cheerleader, or are you for some strange reason making comments on a fight you haven't watched?

[divac]

There's alot of fight fans that cant bare to admit that a younger, faster, and stronger cat like Jermaine Taylor could beat two of the more technically skilled fighters in recent years.......

Being the better technically skilled fighter is'nt going to get it done every time out.
Sometimes other factors like speed, strenghth, power, youth and hunger come into full play as happened in Jermaine Taylor's fights with both Hopkins and Wright.

Imo, Jermaine Taylor won each of those fights comfortably enough!

[Beatboxer]

Old Bastard has a case for a draw in the first bout.

He lost the second.

Now Snaggle tooth is an all time great but sack swingers have to accept he lost these fights.

[*BOX_FAN*]

Taylor vs Hopkins I - Taylor 115-113
Taylor vs Hopkins II - Taylor 116-112
Taylor vs Wright - Wright 116-112

[HopkinsFan]

Of course you shouldn't :D :D :D . . . common sense . . . nobody will give you credit because obviously you're Bhops nuthugger . . . you're handle clearly signifies it. :rofl :yep

no shit mate

[Scar]

I'm a Hopkins and Taylor fan, this is how I scored both fights. First fight a draw and second clearly to Taylor, first fight could've gone either way.

[Carlos Primera]

Taylor vs Hopkins I - Taylor 115-113
Taylor vs Hopkins II - Taylor 116-112
Taylor vs Wright - Wright 116-112

imo the first fight was closer than that, one point that could have gone either way.

[kirk]

i am pretty sure i had taylor getting a close narrow win both fights, and drawing with winky, i guess thats why i never understood the whole robbery cries about these.

even IF hopkins DID win a close fight, he still did not show that he could dominate taylor over 24 rounds...

you guys do realise.... this is BERNARD HOPKINS, and the fact that taylor can even fight on his level, and again with winky, DOES show that he is ON that level.

[PolishPummler]

I had Taylor winning both fights based on activity alone.

Hopkins didnt start to fight in BOTH fights till about the 8th-9th round.

I was dead surprised that Hopkins would do the exact same thing twice.I was certain he wasnt going to just not do nothing for the first 8 rounds AGAIN.

[Zakman]

Taylor is 0-3 vs Winky and B-Hop.

Bingo. And without the influence of HBO, he would have lost all three of those decisions on the cards.

It PAYS to be an HBO hype job - it's the GIFT that keeps on giving.....:yep

[PH|LLA]

i had Taylor winning the first. Hopkins was still the better fighter, and really won his rounds convincingly and beat up on Taylor at the end of the fight, but the style of judging being what it is i had to give Taylor the edge 115-113..

Ideally judges would score close rounds even but they don't so it is what it is...

I would still favour Hopkins in a rematch, and hope that he picks up the pace earlier.

[Suge Green]

Lou Dibella and Hollywood Boxing Office gave Taylor all 3 "wins..." :oops:

[PH|LLA]

i am pretty sure i had taylor getting a close narrow win both fights, and drawing with winky, i guess thats why i never understood the whole robbery cries about these.

even IF hopkins DID win a close fight, he still did not show that he could dominate taylor over 24 rounds...

you guys do realise.... this is BERNARD HOPKINS, and the fact that taylor can even fight on his level, and again with winky, DOES show that he is ON that level.
Actually I believe what Taylor showed is that he is good enough so that he can rely on his superior physical attributes to edge a close fight against fighters who are technically better and more skilled than he is.

[warchild]

You neglected to mention a couple of things....such as....

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FIGHTERS
Hopkins, Taylor

TOTAL PUNCHES
Thrown
326, 453

Connected
96, 86

%
27%, 19%

JABS
Thrown
109, 264

Connected
18, 36

%
17%, 14%

POWER PUNCHES
Thrown
217, 189

Connected
78, 50

%
36%, 26%

JUDGES SCORECARDSJerry Roth116-112Duane Ford113-115Paul Smith113-115



So....you were correct that Hopkins landed 8 punches per round. What you didn't mention though, was that Taylor landed 7 punches per round.

[carras]

No one got robbed in the Hopkins fights. They were very close decisions and Taylor earned his victories. This revisionist nonsense about Hopkins getting screwed is a load of crap.
Oh, and of course, don't forget the dreaded HBO conspiracy theory!!! God help us all!!!

Bernard rolled the dice in the first fight and thought he could take the first half of the fight off and stop a tired Taylor late in the bout. It almost worked, but almost doesn't guarantee a win.
Jermain won fair and square and all the whining and bitching in the world isn't going to change that.

It's typical distorted logic from some fans, though. If the judges don't score a fight exactly the way they do, then they scream robbery.

Bingo:good

[warchild]

Rematch....

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FIGHTERS
Taylor,Hopkins

TOTAL PUNCHES
Thrown
391, 371

Connected
124, 130

%
32%, 35%

JABS
Thrown
209, 131

Connected
64, 29

%
31%, 22%

POWER PUNCHES
Thrown
182, 240

Connected
60, 101

%
33%, 42%

JUDGES SCORECARDSDave Moretti115-113Chuck Giampa115-113Patricia Morse Jarman115-113

In the rematch Hopkins landed 10 punches per round, and Taylor landed 11 punches per round.

[Mind Reader]

I had Hopkins winning the first fight and had the second fight a draw. No way a robbery though, either of the fights.

[Farmboxer]

I had Hopkins beating Taylor also. So did the others with whom I was watching the fight.

Jim Morrison!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[brooklyn1550]

1st Fight: Hopkins 115, Taylor 113
2nd Fight: Taylor 115, Hopkins 113

[Boom_Boom]

there is no controversy in Taylor/Wright

it was a well deserved draw and anyone crying otherwise is just a fucking bitch ass crybaby

[CASH_718]

There's alot of fight fans that cant bare to admit that a younger, faster, and stronger cat like Jermaine Taylor could beat two of the more technically skilled fighters in recent years.......

Being the better technically skilled fighter is'nt going to get it done every time out.
Sometimes other factors like speed, strenghth, power, youth and hunger come into full play as happened in Jermaine Taylor's fights with both Hopkins and Wright.

Imo, Jermaine Taylor won each of those fights comfortably enough!You also said Chavez beat Whitaker so what you say means jack shit.:good

[Zakman]

Without the power and influence of HBO, Taylor wouldn't have won ANY of those decisions. He's a FRAUD, pure and simple - a hype job who's been pushed on boxing fans by the most powerful network in the sport. :nod

Pavlik's gonna expose this poser, though - HBO won't be able to get Taylor a gift decision when he's out cold on the canvas! :-( :happy

[Zakman]

Without the power and influence of HBO, Taylor wouldn't have won ANY of those decisions. He's a FRAUD, pure and simple - a hype job who's been pushed on boxing fans by the most powerful network in the sport. :nod

Pavlik's gonna expose this poser, though - HBO won't be able to get Taylor a gift decision when he's out cold on the canvas! :-( :happy

[gilad]

Taylor did not win more than 4 rounds in any of his fights with Hopkins. He should have at least 3 loses on his record by now.