Fantasy: Mike Tyson Vs. Douglas II [1990-10-25]

[Hatesrats]

Who win's? Why? :bbb Here is your fantasy Ticket...
(Instead of Holyfield, Tyson got the rematch)

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[Longhhorn71]

Has Tyson ever defeated in a rematch anyone he ever lost to
previously?

If Douglas shows up in maximim shape, and with an "unbeatable" attitude, then the old axiom "Once you knock someone out, you knock them out faster the second time around" will probably prevail.

Douglas by TKO in 8 over a fragile psych Tyson.

[Hatesrats]

Has Tyson ever defeated in a rematch anyone he ever lost to
previously?

If Douglas shows up in maximim shape, and with an "unbeatable" attitude, then the old axiom "Once you knock someone out, you knock them out faster the second time around" will probably prevail.

Douglas by TKO in 8 over a fragile psych Tyson.
Nice.. I likes bro
:happy keep it coming..
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[fists of fury]

Has Tyson ever defeated in a rematch anyone he ever lost to
previously?


Kind of a silly point when Tyson was only ever rematched with Evander.


If Douglas shows up in maximim shape, and with an "unbeatable" attitude, then the old axiom "Once you knock someone out, you knock them out faster the second time around" will probably prevail.

Douglas by TKO in 8 over a fragile psych Tyson.

It's possible.
If Douglas showed up in the same shape as Tokyo with the same mindset, it's well possible. Tyson wasn't that off in Tokyo. He wasn't at his best, but he wasn't totally unprepared either. Douglas just fought brilliantly.

Problem is, I don't think Buster would show up in the same shape as Tokyo. He didn't against Evander so why should he against Tyson the second time round?

If Buster showed up in the 240+ range and with little ambition as he did against Evander (and I believe he would) I pick Tyson by KO in 2.

[zadfrak]

Douglas.

I think Tyson doesn't come out anywhere near as aggressive against a guy that beat him. Plus, early in a bout Douglas would have the footwork to avoid those rushes even if he did. It would be interesting to see if Tyson could fight a smart fight at a measured pace and break a guy like Douglas down in sections to get a win. I don't think so & still think he will not slip those jabs and avoid those combinations. That was a rebuilding job with Tyson they did > Tokyo & I think Tyson needed that & not tough matchups.

[Hatesrats]

Interesting...keep it going

[TIGEREDGE]

tyson has to be favourite. but douglas still has a good chance if he is right

tyson was totally off form and out of shape for first fight. but i still think douglas had the style to beat the best mike tyson of 1989-1991.

the tyson of 1985-1988 beats douglas ever day of the week. but after the spinks fight tyson was never the same force. he abandoned his good jab, great head movement and combo punching.

the tyson of 1989 and onwards was just a very fast great punching slugger

[TIGEREDGE]

Douglas.

I think Tyson doesn't come out anywhere near as aggressive against a guy that beat him. Plus, early in a bout Douglas would have the footwork to avoid those rushes even if he did. It would be interesting to see if Tyson could fight a smart fight at a measured pace and break a guy like Douglas down in sections to get a win. I don't think so & still think he will not slip those jabs and avoid those combinations. That was a rebuilding job with Tyson they did > Tokyo & I think Tyson needed that & not tough matchups.

don't forget, tyson had douglas out in the 8th. buster could easily have been counted out on another night

[zadfrak]

He had him down, not out. Tyson came out the next round trying to finish the guy and couldn't. I look at that as a positive for Douglas in the rematch as a big plus for Douglas anyway. He did get nailed by Tyson and survived it.

[Muchmoore]

Tyson would have dismantled the Douglas that showed up for Holyfield.

[Hatesrats]

I'm getting a vibe that the people who picked Douglas also would have favorved Evander of 1990 over "Post" Tokyo Mike Tyson?

[TIGEREDGE]

I'm getting a vibe that the people who picked Douglas also would have favorved Evander of 1990 over "Post" Tokyo Mike Tyson?

despite his decline, the tyson of that era could still beat everyone around. i reckon that holyfield would of been too much of a warrior and got outslugged like in the bowe fight. but you never know. he showed great discipline in the second bowe fight

[sp6r=underrated]

I doubt Douglas would have shown up in nearly the shape he was in Japan. Easy ko for Mike.

[jaois138]

Tyson by KO. It would have been a different fight

[ripcity]

I bleive the result of Tyson/Douglas was due to Douglas fighting a perfect fight with the exception of being knocked down in round 8, and Tyson being unperpared. Tyson's corner that fight may have been the worst corner to work a fight. They were using a rubber glove with ice water to try to reduce swelling. Tyson had also shown sings that something was missing he showed less of the head movement that helped make him so danguress in the Bruno fight. His quick ko of Williams had most people thinking Tyson was back to "normal"
Douglas when motavated could be great. Even if Tyson had not had a bad night or was still at his best Douglas may still have won their fight. The Jab and Grab style that Douglas used gave Tyson problems for 3 rounds when he faced Larry Holmes. The probblem with Douglas is that he could not allways be motovated. In his defense against Holyfield he weighed 246 compared to 231 when he beat Tyson.
Leading up to the rematch Tyson would have beaten Henry Tillman in June, This would have been Douglas's first fight sense beating Tyson 8 and half months before. If Douglas comes to this fight like he did against Holyfield than Even the Tyson that he beat would have beat him in a rematch. If they both came prepared I like Tyson by late round stopage. The Jab and Grab style would stlil be effictive aginst Tyson but keep in mind that in their actual fight Tyson was able to land and he did score a knockdown in round eight. However a better prepared Tyson would have weathered the storm and stoped Douglas late.

[Dempsey1238]

Doulgas win, DQ 3. People will start going mad with Tyson starts bitting Douglas, even going so far as to rip part of his ear off.

[Blacc Jesus]

Tyson would have dismantled the Douglas that showed up for Holyfield.
Agreed.

[TBooze]

Doulgas win, DQ 3. People will start going mad with Tyson starts bitting Douglas, even going so far as to rip part of his ear off.

Quite possible, it is the reason Tyson fell below being a great, mentally he could not handle anything other than dominating his opponent.

[Holmes' Jab]

Roles reversed: Tyson, KO10. Much earlier if Douglas pies out like he did before facing Evander.

[Thread Stealer]

Douglas lost his motivation and was happy with the big payday he was getting.

Tyson lays fat Douglas out early.

[Muchmoore]

Douglas was a disgrace against Holyfield. Not only because he did his training at Krispy Kreme but when he got dropped he just sat there and decided to take the money and run :-(

[Gyro]

Tyson knocks Douglas out. Look at Tyson in his fights after the his loss to Douglas(before the jail time and right after). Tyson was more focused and actually came well prepared for those fights. While not the same again we still saw some glimpses of the old Tyson. In his fight with Douglas Tyson completely abandoned head movement and didn't even seem to want to be there. Now look at him against say...Razor Ruddock...as I said Tyson was no longer the same as in the 80s and so he got hit more often but he still came back and re-adapted his head movement and speed and showed the will he didn't have in the Douglas fight.

Add all this plus the fact that Tyson would want revenge so badly he would want to murder Douglas almost literally. Tyson would no doubt win within 2-3 rounds. Plus Douglas was never again in the shape he was for the Tyson fight, or motivated for that matter.

91-96 Tyson was not the 80s Tyson but he regained some motivation and came well prepared for his fights and showed an arsenal that despite being depleted, was re-defined and re-sharpened.

[MAG1965]

Mike would probably win but still Mike never was the same fighter after Douglas. He didn't use the great peek a boo head movement like he did from 1985-1989. But he would have come in ready and in shape and probably stopped Douglas in 2 rounds. I think it would have been better had Mike had a few tuneups and then fight Douglas in mid 1991 around the time he fought Ruddock.

[frankenfrank]

Kind of a silly point when Tyson was only ever rematched with Evander.

n understatement , it was very silly .

[frankenfrank]

Tyson would have been my favorite 2 win a rematch even if not n overwhelming 1 . Younger and it matters more as d time goes by , actually KOd Douglas in their 1st fight only 2b a victim of a long count , and d 1st 2 score a KD anyway , did better than Douglas vs Savarese , Holyfield*2 , Ferguson , Tucker , usually in a better shape .

[frankenfrank]

Douglas was a disgrace against Holyfield. Not only because he did his training at Krispy Kreme but when he got dropped he just sat there and decided to take the money and run :-(

wrong .

[punchy]

Tyson would win although if Douglas turned up to fight how he did he would, Douglas had lost it by then.

[inga]

tyson by ko totally different fight just look at him against ruddock he was ready then and i think tyson beats douglas in a exciting fight

[Legend X]

Depends on Douglas, imo.

If he trains hard and comes out to prove the point he might well beat Tyson again. Even if Tyson's in his best shape, Douglas might have his number here. And psychologically, if a better-prepared Tyson was made to it was going to be another long night, he might well lose his mental momentum very early on.

If Douglas is anything less than what he was in Tokyo, he'd lose. If was like he was against Holyfield, he'd lose within 4 rounds.

[Foreman Hook]

1991 Tinkerbell Tyson VS Fat Bummy Douglas = Tyson KO1

Bummy has a shit chin, so if he comes in fat, Tinkerbell smokes his fat ass.:iak

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1991 Tinkerbell Tyson VS Fit Bummy Douglas = Bummy KO12

Bummy in legendary Tokyo shape still KO's Tinkerbell, But it takes 2 Rounds longer to beat him down cos Midget Lisp would have more stamina to take a ass-whupping when he was proper shredded like he was VS Razza Ruddock.:smoke



Foreman Hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooook!:rasta

[Azzer85]

Tyson beats Douglas.

Douglas more than likely would turn up in the same shape he did against evander confident, knowing hes beaten tyson before etc etc

Tyson turns up in the shape he did for the ruddock fights, knowing hes got a tough fight on his hands.

Tyson hands Douglas his ass

[lufcrazy]

Completely changed my attitude to fantasy fights lately due to sugar ray leonard and something he said.

A week ago i'd have picked tyson. Today I pick douglas, he battered tyson silly and i've no reason to suspect the same outcome wouldn't be repeated.

[Webbiano]

It seems like a bit of an unknown fact that Douglas mother passed away less than a month before the fit. If you ask me that was the undoing of Tyson more than anything. Douglas just too motivated that night and even if the Tyson of 88 86 85, or whenever people say he was at his best, was fighting that night, I'd still struggle not to pick Douglas after seeing what happened in Tokyo 1990

[Foreman Hook]

Tyson beats Douglas.

Douglas more than likely would turn up in the same shape he did against evander confident, knowing hes beaten tyson before etc etc

Tyson turns up in the shape he did for the ruddock fights, knowing hes got a tough fight on his hands.

Tyson hands Douglas his ass

Azzer - say this rematch fight happens, cos King outbids Evander,,,,,,,,,

OG Holyfield offered Bummy Douglas $28mill (like $60mill today!!!:admin).

WHAT IF Dung King offers Douglas $30mill, But says he can have $35mill if he comes in below 235LBS?? Douglas considers starving his ass/drying out in saunas, then decides "fuck it" - if i can train hard like Godzilla in Tokyo, i can do teh same spartan-thang in Vegas. :think

Who would you pick then m8?? Tinkerbell Tyson in teh suspiciously shredded shape (paid Ruddock $50k to avoid steroid-test) he was for Razza Ruddock fights VS Bummy Douglas in legendary Tokyo shape?? Read my post on teh previous page for my opinion. :thumbsup

[Webbiano]

Completely changed my attitude to fantasy fights lately due to sugar ray leonard and something he said.

A week ago i'd have picked tyson. Today I pick douglas, he battered tyson silly and i've no reason to suspect the same outcome wouldn't be repeated.

What was it he said? And yer Id favour Douglas on that night over any version of Tyson

[Webbiano]

Azzer - say this rematch fight happens, cos King outbids Evander,,,,,,,,,

OG Holyfield offered Bummy Douglas $28mill (like $60mill today!!!:admin).

WHAT IF Dung King offers Douglas $30mill, But says he can have $35mill if he comes in below 235LBS?? Douglas considers starving his ass/drying out in saunas, then decides "fuck it" - if i can train hard like Godzilla in Tokyo, i can do teh same in Vegas. :think

Who would you pick then?? Tinkerbell Tyson in teh shredded shape he was for Razza Ruddock VS Bummy Douglas in legendary Tokyo shape?? Read my post on teh previous page for my opinion. :thumbsup

I see what you mean but I still think it was Douglas mothers's passing that was the reason he was motivated so much. I myself lost my mum when I was just 12 and when doing something with that kind of motivation behind you makes a lot of difference

[salty trunks]

Tyson after the fight didnt believe Douglas beat him at his best. I dont think Tyson would approach the fight the same way. He would come prepared and confident he could win.

Douglas was never mentally the toughest and I dont think he would have the same inspiration to win the rematch. Look at how he completely fell apart as a fighter leading up to the Holyfield fight. He was content with what he accomplished and would have probably been knocked out just as quickly in a rematch against Tyson as he did against Holyfield who didnt hit nearly as hard. Tyson KO3.

[Foreman Hook]

I see what you mean but I still think it was Douglas mothers's passing that was the reason he was motivated so much. I myself lost my mum when I was just 12 and when doing something with that kind of motivation behind you makes a lot of difference

Sorry for your loss, i understand it must be a v.powerful motivation, But please imagine Douglas got teh same meteoric-motivation again. Maybe it would be more realistic if Douglas did get KO'd by Holyfield in 1990 like in real life - then was motivated by teh sheer embarrassment/humiliation of quitting from a round 3 knockdown,, so that drives him to train like Godzilla once again, to prove pulverizing Midget Lisp was no fluke, And be a American-hero once more! :patriot

[Webbiano]

Sorry for your loss, i understand it must be a v.powerful motivation, But please imagine Douglas got teh same meteoric-motivation again. Maybe it would be more realistic if Douglas did get KO'd by Holyfield in 1990 like in real life - then was motivated by teh sheer embarrassment/humiliation of quitting from a round 3 knockdown,, so that drives him to train like Godzilla once again, to prove pulverizing Midget Lisp was no fluke, And be a American-hero once more! :patriot

Cheers bro :good. I strongly believe Tokyo Douglas would beat any version of Tyson. People don't think about styles enough in fantasy fights and base it too much on power speed and punch resistance. If Doiglas was motivated as he was in Tokyo he'd beat Tyson again in the rematch fo suree

[frankenfrank]

Azzer - say this rematch fight happens, cos King outbids Evander,,,,,,,,,

OG Holyfield offered Bummy Douglas $28mill (like $60mill today!!!:admin).

WHAT IF Dung King offers Douglas $30mill, But says he can have $35mill if he comes in below 235LBS?? Douglas considers starving his ass/drying out in saunas, then decides "fuck it" - if i can train hard like Godzilla in Tokyo, i can do teh same spartan-thang in Vegas. :think

Who would you pick then m8?? Tinkerbell Tyson in teh suspiciously shredded shape (paid Ruddock $50k to avoid steroid-test) he was for Razza Ruddock fights VS Bummy Douglas in legendary Tokyo shape?? Read my post on teh previous page for my opinion. :thumbsup

very nice piece of info :thumbsup:deal

[PowerPuncher]

Completely changed my attitude to fantasy fights lately due to sugar ray leonard and something he said.

A week ago i'd have picked tyson. Today I pick douglas, he battered tyson silly and i've no reason to suspect the same outcome wouldn't be repeated.

The Douglas of fight 1 may well win, but we're talking about the fat unprepared version who faced Holyfield. Tyson would be better, Douglas would be significantly worse

[lufcrazy]

What was it he said? And yer Id favour Douglas on that night over any version of Tyson

It was about how he weren't the most skilled in his era, he won a lot of fights on heart, will and discipline.

He said benitez was more skilled but he had more heart. He said he knew duran and hagler weren't training like a champion and he had more discipline. He said once dundee told him he was blowing it something clicked and he went out and found the opening he required.

There's a lot of intangibles in boxing that are hard to predict.

When picking fights between fighters, providing they met in each other's prime, i'm just gonna go with reality.

The fight between douglas and tyson wasn't even close. I pick douglas to beat him any time during douglas's own prime.

[Foreman Hook]

It was about how he weren't the most skilled in his era, he won a lot of fights on heart, will and discipline.

He said benitez was more skilled but he had more heart. He said he knew duran and hagler weren't training like a champion and he had more discipline. He said once dundee told him he was blowing it something clicked and he went out and found the opening he required.

There's a lot of intangibles in boxing that are hard to predict.

When picking fights between fighters, providing they met in each other's prime, i'm just gonna go with reality.

The fight between douglas and tyson wasn't even close. I pick douglas to beat him any time during douglas's own prime.

When was Bummy Douglas's "own prime" - 11th Feb 1990 to 11th Feb 1990 for 10 Rounds??? :think:lol:

Basically less than 1hour!! :rofl:rofl





Foreman Hooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooook!:rasta

[Foreman Hook]

Cheers bro :good. I strongly believe Tokyo Douglas would beat any version of Tyson. People don't think about styles enough in fantasy fights and base it too much on power speed and punch resistance. If Doiglas was motivated as he was in Tokyo he'd beat Tyson again in the rematch fo suree

Styles make fights. :deal

[Stevie G]

Has Tyson ever defeated in a rematch anyone he ever lost to
previously?

If Douglas shows up in maximim shape, and with an "unbeatable" attitude, then the old axiom "Once you knock someone out, you knock them out faster the second time around" will probably prevail.

Douglas by TKO in 8 over a fragile psych Tyson.

I agree with this scenario. However,if Douglas shows up like he did in the Holyfield fight,Tyson regains the title.

[A.J.]

Big Douglas fan here. But, based on his very spotted career before and after Tyson, not picking Tyson in a rematch seems almost foolish.

Yes, I'd have picked Douglas back in 1990 right after their fight, to do it again . . . but not now, after seeing how both of them turned out after their 1990 bout. Buster cannot be taken seriously. That he beat Iron Mike is likely attributable to the conflagration of elements in his personal life at the time, where he must have thought that Mike Tyson wasn't going to bother him more than the terrible things that had just occurred (losing his mother, his girlfriend being diagnosed with a deadly disease). And, maybe Tyson showed up a bit cocky. He was undefeated and Buster was a several-times-defeated journeyman.

Somehow, a Buster who never came close to this level again, will do it again? I'd HOPE so, but I'd bet heavily against it.

[lufcrazy]

When was Bummy Douglas's "own prime" - 11th Feb 1990 to 11th Feb 1990 for 10 Rounds??? :think:lol:

Basically less than 1hour!! :rofl:rofl





Foreman Hooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooook!:rasta

Probably from page till douglas.

[Kalasinn]

'91 Tyson (of the Ruddock fights) runs through Douglas.

Mighty Mike would eat his asshole alive, & make him his girlfriend... especially with those brutal bodyshots which would take away Buster's legs & those halt his dancing lateral movements, ready for the kill. Once his legs are dead, his chin would be unprotected, & Tyson would shatter that mandible with a vicious body-head combination. Buster would be last about 5 rounds, & that's in Tokyo condition. If he turns up unmotivated like against Holy, Tyson takes him out in 1 or 2.

Notice how violently explosive the supremely conditioned Tyson is here, not listless & lethargic from dehydration & starvation like against Douglas...

gABSAe6HONM

No sleepwalking here. :bart

[lufcrazy]

I don't think douglas would have trained as poor for the tyson rematch.

I think he'd have been determined to prove it wasn't a flule and prove he could fight.

Fight probably goes the same way again: douglas domination.

[salty trunks]

I don't think douglas would have trained as poor for the tyson rematch.

I think he'd have been determined to prove it wasn't a flule and prove he could fight.

Fight probably goes the same way again: douglas domination.
Definitely not, Douglas was so inconsistent and had just hit the jackpot. He could care less about proving anything after the Tyson fight. Thats why he completely embarassed himself agaisnt Holyfield. He could have gotten up.

[Sangria]

There's a video somewhere on youtube with Larry Merchant in the studio and Tyson and Douglas are present discussing the fight. Tyson was wearing shades and actually says at one point, "I know what happened. He knows what happened. There's noway he beats me again!" Or something to that nature. Tyson was itching to get his title back and knew it was a fluke. It looked like Douglas knew it too.

[Sangria]

Here's the video.



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[Legend X]

There's a video somewhere on youtube with Larry Merchant in the studio and Tyson and Douglas are present discussing the fight. Tyson was wearing shades and actually says at one point, "I know what happened. He knows what happened. There's noway he beats me again!" Or something to that nature. Tyson was itching to get his title back and knew it was a fluke. It looked like Douglas knew it too.

Douglas looked pretty confident. Tyson wanted his title back, of course, and he was just trying to goad him into the rematch.

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[Foreman Hook]

'91 Tyson (of the Ruddock fights) runs through Douglas.

Mighty Mike would eat his asshole alive, & make him his girlfriend... especially with those brutal bodyshots which would take away Buster's legs & those halt his dancing lateral movements, ready for the kill. Once his legs are dead, his chin would be unprotected, & Tyson would shatter that mandible with a vicious body-head combination. Buster would be last about 5 rounds, & that's in Tokyo condition. If he turns up unmotivated like against Holy, Tyson takes him out in 1 or 2.

Notice how violently explosive the supremely conditioned Tyson is here, not listless & lethargic from dehydration & starvation like against Douglas...

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No sleepwalking here. :bart

MAYBE Midget Lisp only looked slow/lethargic in relative comparison, cos teh mythical "TOKYO GODZILLA DOUGLAS" was magic, like a unicorn, on crack, And therefore much much much FASTER then a PRIME "Tinkerbell" Tyson??? :think:hey:yep

Have ye thought aboot that, biatch?? :rasta




Foreman Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooook!:smoke

[lufcrazy]

Definitely not, Douglas was so inconsistent and had just hit the jackpot. He could care less about proving anything after the Tyson fight. Thats why he completely embarassed himself agaisnt Holyfield. He could have gotten up.

If by hit the jack pot you mean kicked the living shit out of the best hw in the world, i'd agree with you.

Nothing in the actual fight leads me to believe tyson would beat douglas.

If they came in the shapes they did, ofcourse tyson batters him, but what would that prove?

I'd like to presume both come in the best shape they can, if so douglas pushes his shit all the way in.

[Foreman Hook]

If by hit the jack pot you mean kicked the living shit out of the best hw in the world, i'd agree with you.

Nothing in the actual fight leads me to believe tyson would beat douglas.

If they came in the shapes they did, ofcourse tyson batters him, but what would that prove?

I'd like to presume both come in the best shape they can, if so douglas pushes his shit all the way in.

Sorry m8 - i cant decide if your talking about them fighting or doing some really sick shit, like "2 men, 1 cup" :lol::lol::lol:

[lufcrazy]

Sorry m8 - i cant decide if your talking about them fighting or doing some really sick shit, like "2 men, 1 cup" :lol::lol::lol:

:lol:

Douglas would make tyson eat from his cup.

[Foreman Hook]

:lol:

Douglas would make tyson eat from his cup.

Too right m8. :rasta

Naah naah naah naah, cant touch this!

:hammertime:hammertime:hammertime

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Cant touch this!



Foreman Hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooook!:smoke

[Webbiano]

MAYBE Midget Lisp only looked slow/lethargic in relative comparison, cos teh mythical "TOKYO GODZILLA DOUGLAS" was magic, like a unicorn, on crack, And therefore much much much FASTER then a PRIME "Tinkerbell" Tyson??? :think:hey:yep

Have ye thought aboot that, biatch?? :rasta




Foreman Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooook!:smoke

Who da fuck is foreman goook? You were an idol of mine b4 that unxpertpost m8 :thumbsup I feel it necessary to create an evil alter ego called foreman goook now

[Foreman Hook]

Who da fuck is foreman goook? You were an idol of mine b4 that unxpertpost m8 :thumbsup I feel it necessary to create an evil alter ego called foreman goook now

:rofl:rofl:rofl i nearly fell off my chair laughing when i saw my post really said Foreman Gooooooooooooooooook!:patsch

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[Sangria]

If by hit the jack pot you mean kicked the living shit out of the best hw in the world, i'd agree with you.

Nothing in the actual fight leads me to believe tyson would beat douglas.

If they came in the shapes they did, ofcourse tyson batters him, but what would that prove?

I'd like to presume both come in the best shape they can, if so douglas pushes his shit all the way in.

Hit the jackpot meaning Douglas got a poorly prepared best heavyweight in the world and took full advantage of it. I highly doubt it would have happened again in the rematch. Imagine the amount of money Douglas would have gotten in a rematch with Tyson instead of facing Holyfield!?

[sauhund II]

This thread is full of fail.

Don King/Tyson pursued the rematch vigorously but Team Douglas declined citing Don Kings try to have the original result overturned because of the long count.

That was only a cover up story to hide the fact that they convinced/coned Steve Wynn to become a major Boxing attraction, showcasing his new Hotel and getting mega $$$ for the "Tyson slayer"........they always knew that lightning never strikes twice so they took the , at that time, small and not considered a power puncher, Holyfield as a safe opponent who they were confident Douglas could beat due being the bigger man aka a true heavyweight.

Their plan backfired pretty early when Douglas showed lackluster training habits and was back to his own no good. Team Douglas considered a delay but the possibility that Wynn would eventually get wind of a Douglas that would be showing up for just a paycheck was to great and would cancel the fight or severely cut the purse. So they went on with the farce in facing Holyfield believing in a miracle that the ill prepared and fat Douglas could pull it off.

Douglas ordered a large amount of pizza by roomservice on the day of the fight and ate it.....Fact.

Buster Douglas is a flash in the pan who was at the right man at the right time O-N-E time in his life, he could/would never ever get himself into the same zone as the Tyson match ever again, even if he tried his dearest.

The Holyfield Douglas goes down quick if that version would have shown up in a rematch.

The Tyson Douglas against the Spinks/Holmes Tyson will fold mid point.

[Azzer85]

Azzer - say this rematch fight happens, cos King outbids Evander,,,,,,,,,

OG Holyfield offered Bummy Douglas $28mill (like $60mill today!!!:admin).

WHAT IF Dung King offers Douglas $30mill, But says he can have $35mill if he comes in below 235LBS?? Douglas considers starving his ass/drying out in saunas, then decides "fuck it" - if i can train hard like Godzilla in Tokyo, i can do teh same spartan-thang in Vegas. :think

Who would you pick then m8?? Tinkerbell Tyson in teh suspiciously shredded shape (paid Ruddock $50k to avoid steroid-test) he was for Razza Ruddock fights VS Bummy Douglas in legendary Tokyo shape?? Read my post on teh previous page for my opinion. :thumbsup

As i stated before Douglas more times than not would turn up in the shame shitty shape he always showed up. ONCE in his life he put on a great performance against Tyson.

Im going by their careers. Douglas would trouble Tyson for the first fight, Tyson would win the next 9 times

[lufcrazy]

Hit the jackpot meaning Douglas got a poorly prepared best heavyweight in the world and took full advantage of it. I highly doubt it would have happened again in the rematch. Imagine the amount of money Douglas would have gotten in a rematch with Tyson instead of facing Holyfield!?

If tyson came in anything less than his best, that's just tough shit. The guy was in his prime years.

When considering a fantasy fight between douglas and tyson, the fairest thing I can do is look at the fight which actually took place during both primes.

Douglas wins by ko.

[Legend X]

Let's not get things twisted, Holyfield deserved the title shot.
Tyson didn't necessarily deserve an immediate rematch.

Douglas got paid $23 million to fight Holyfield, I think.

Let's not pretend there was any unfair conspiracy to "duck" a Tyson rematch.

[PowerPuncher]

I don't think douglas would have trained as poor for the tyson rematch.

I think he'd have been determined to prove it wasn't a flule and prove he could fight.

Fight probably goes the same way again: douglas domination.

That's the thing about Douglas all the talent in the world but no motivation in life, once he got a big Guarantee for Holyfield he didn't train for the fight, he binge ate after the Tyson win, he literally ate himself into a diabetic coma after that, he never really loved boxing in the first place either, his father pushed him into it

[Foreman Hook]

Let's not get things twisted, Holyfield deserved the title shot.
Tyson didn't necessarily deserve an immediate rematch.

Douglas got paid $23 million to fight Holyfield, I think.

Let's not pretend there was any unfair conspiracy to "duck" a Tyson rematch.

:good:goodMidget Lisp had only been a titleholder for 4 years, a triple unified titleholder for 3 years, And a Ring Mag Champ for 2 years. MAYBE if Tinkerbell had been a Ring Mag Champ (teh only legit title that matters imo) for 5 years or more, he would deserve a immediate rematch, But 2 years as teh Champ is v.average And proper unimpressive. OG Holyfield had heavyweight wins VS Tillis, Pinko, Coke Dokes, Rodriguezz, Steward And MCdonagoo - of course he deserved a title shot more then Tinfoil Tyson.:deal:deal


Foreman Hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooook!:rasta

[lufcrazy]

That's the thing about Douglas all the talent in the world but no motivation in life, once he got a big Guarantee for Holyfield he didn't train for the fight, he binge ate after the Tyson win, he literally ate himself into a diabetic coma after that, he never really loved boxing in the first place either, his father pushed him into it

As I say, I think tyson would beat the fat version of douglas but it wouldn't have proved much. That being said if douglas wants to come out of shape during his best years that's his own fault.

Inshape douglas beats tyson imo.

[Foreman Hook]

As I say, I think tyson would beat the fat version of douglas but it wouldn't have proved much. That being said if douglas wants to come out of shape during his best years that's his own fault.

Inshape douglas beats tyson imo.

Including teh Duster Buglas who was stopped by "Uncle Fucker" Tucker?? :think:think

He looked canny "in-shape" to me. :yep

[lufcrazy]

Including teh Duster Buglas who was stopped by "Uncle Fucker" Tucker?? :think:think

He looked canny "in-shape" to me. :yep

Yeah I think he has the attributes at his disposal to beat tyson.

But had they rematched and douglas came in as he did against holyfield, tyson destroys him.

[Sangria]

If tyson came in anything less than his best, that's just tough shit. The guy was in his prime years.

When considering a fantasy fight between douglas and tyson, the fairest thing I can do is look at the fight which actually took place during both primes.

Douglas wins by ko.

You have it half right: in shape Douglas beats out of shape Tyson.

In shape Tyson beats in shape Douglas. That's pretty much how it would go down.

[hookfromhell]

Tyson KO7. Douglass would use his jab and speed
to land combos like in the first fight. Buster has trained
to avoid the uppercut but Tyson hurts him with a right
Hook to the body then left hook and lights out.Douglass
Would be ahead on points

[Caelum]

Kind of a silly point when Tyson was only ever rematched with Evander.



It's possible.
If Douglas showed up in the same shape as Tokyo with the same mindset, it's well possible. Tyson wasn't that off in Tokyo. He wasn't at his best, but he wasn't totally unprepared either. Douglas just fought brilliantly.

Problem is, I don't think Buster would show up in the same shape as Tokyo. He didn't against Evander so why should he against Tyson the second time round?

If Buster showed up in the 240+ range and with little ambition as he did against Evander (and I believe he would) I pick Tyson by KO in 2.

Tyson was unprepared Mentally, Physically, Technically...and had no game-plan. that's pretty bad.

If you haven't read my thread on that fight...you can

Tyson/Douglas: Tyson got beat up by Berbick, Page and McCall in Sparring

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If getting beat up by a Man you destroyed quickly isn't being unprepared, I'm not sure what is.

That said, just looking at Douglas, the Man had some great skill that day. He looked fast, agile, was throwing great combinations behind a great meaningful Jab... etc.

[KINGOFTHE1ROUND]

Buster would lose in similar fashion to how Bruno lost in one of those fights. Buster was never meant to be champion and he actually didn't even like it after a while. He wasn't meant to handle all of that pressure. Hence the Holyfield fight ending.

[apollack]

Louis LKOby 12 Schmeling. Louis KO1 Schmeling. I think this would have been similar. Tyson at less than his best gets pummeled. But then he gets in fantastic shape and beats the hell out of Douglas and stops him in the rematch. The Tyson that fought Ruddock beats up Douglas, even assuming Douglas makes it past a few rounds, which I doubt, because he couldn't even get out of round 3 against a less than killer puncher or fast finisher in Holyfield.

The rematch would have shown why Douglas was a 40-1 underdog in the first place.

[sinol]

mike tyson tko in 7........... he woulda trained

[lufcrazy]

You have it half right: in shape Douglas beats out of shape Tyson.

In shape Tyson beats in shape Douglas. That's pretty much how it would go down.

I doubt it.

[Foreman Hook]

I doubt it.

:happy:happy:happyYOU GOTTA SHOUT IT!!!:happy:happy:happy



ANYWAY them Tyson-fanboys are crazy, like when i say Big G Foreman would of whupped Jimmy "Gentleman" Young, if he was not dying of dehydration!:nut



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