Feelings on Dana White.

[Ethan Trims]

I know he has supposedly helped MMA out alot, by buying it with the Ferritas, but I just cant help but dislike this dude. Here are the reasons.

1.Every single time a ufc event comes on, in the preview of the event, theres Dana White giving his expert analysis on the fights. he should hire some MMA writers or analysts to do the talking. But hes to arrogant to do that, even though it would make the UFC look alot more professional to the mainstream. Not to mention he dresses like a skateboard kid, and says fuck all the time, thats not making the sport look respectable.

2. The bullshit that comes out of his mouth and his nuthuggery of certain fighters. In the recent post conferance for UFC 73, Dana White spoke on Tito "Hes not up there with Randy, Liddell, Hughes, and Franklin," in a subtle shit talking way. He did this cause Tito said the fighters were underpaid and that Dana was bad for the sport. So now he is taking personal jabs at fighters like a kid. Did he not just see Liddell, Hughes and Franklin get their head kicked in. Or dead he forget already and now hes back to trying to build them up for the TUFFER audience. Boxing doesnt have a guy like Dana White, well maybe they do, Don King, but nobody takes what he says to seriously. Since Dana is practically calling every shot in the UFC, he is a little more powerful then Don King is in Boxing.

All in all, I think it would be better if he was the man behind the scene running the show, and not tryING to satisfy his fantasy about being a celebrity on Tv constantly. Nobody buys tickets to hear Dana White talk, or watches the UFC to hear his bald ass act. Hes not a fighter, hes not an analyst, hes a business man ,a suite. So he should stop pretending.

Thoughts.

[Dostoevsky]

I just hate his swearing and his immature attitude, at least he gives us fights and makes the best fighters fight one another........which isn't happening in Boxing.

[Donut62]

He's the reason why MMA has become one of the most popular sports in America. He can swear all he wants and be a dick head, he's a brilliant businessman and literally carries the weight of the sport on his back in the USA. What any of us posting on some internet forum think of him is of little concern to anything.

[Tko4]

If he wasn't a millionaire MMA president, would I hang out with him? Hell no. I can't stand his personality. But he got the job done for the UFC. Still, I think his business tactics are crude and aren't built for the long term. He's the kind of guy that jumpstarts a business and provides all sorts of energy to get it off the ground. But he is also the kind that burns out rather fast. His persona gets stale. White is good for the UFC now, but I think in 5-10 years, they're going to wish they had someone else at the helm.

[Ethan Trims]

I just hate his swearing and his immature attitude, at least he gives us fights and makes the best fighters fight one another........which isn't happening in Boxing.

The question is now that the UFC have a monopoly on the sport will they protect certain fighters to protect their money invenstments.

Do you really want to see Liddell/Jardine.

[Ethan Trims]

He's the reason why MMA has become one of the most popular sports in America. He can swear all he wants and be a dick head, he's a brilliant businessman and literally carries the weight of the sport on his back in the USA. What any of us posting on some internet forum think of him is of little concern to anything.

"What any of us posting......."

You can say that with anything. What any of us posting on a forum about ______ is little concern to anything. Just fill in the blank.


The point of my thread was whether him carrying the weight of MMA at this point is a good thing. Yeah he got the attention of america, but now that we are mainstream, should he continue using some of the same tactics, or due we need another spokeperson beside an arrogant rich business man who seems more concerned with short term money as opposed to the future of the sport.

Look at Tko's post after you. He brought up some great points and he gets the big picture.

[scurlaruntings]

To be honest i think Dana is everything that is bad about martial arts.His not a martial arts fan and doesnt have the pedigree.The repsect over in PRIDE was incredible in comparison between the fighters and the big guns that were running the show like Takada and Sakakibara.The UFC leaves a very stale taste in my mouth as TUF is nothing more than the usual car crash reality TV that doesnt produce much "REAL" talent in MMA and has been way overextended in its practical usefulness for the sport.If Dana wants a breeding ground for fighters why not do it properly like OVW does in wrestling? To have one man running the show and one man calling all the big shots is always a bad thing.And il always stand by what iv always said, UFC`s aquistion of PRIDE will be the demise of MMA.MMA doesnt need uneducated fans and it doesnt need the rabble and meatheads that routinely turn up for there cup of blood.Thats not what martial arts is about.

[Donut62]

"The point of my thread was whether him carrying the weight of MMA at this point is a good thing. Yeah he got the attention of america, but now that we are mainstream, should he continue using some of the same tactics, or due we need another spokeperson beside an arrogant rich business man who seems more concerned with short term money as opposed to the future of the sport.

And yet, your original post all you talked about was how you find his persona distateful. You never mentioned the business model of the UFC and how it all fits together.

All in all, I think it would be better if he was the man behind the scene running the show, and not tryING to satisfy his fantasy about being a celebrity on Tv constantly.


If you are fine with how he runs his business, why do you care about how he acts. Another thing that people do, is that they put way too much praise on Dana White. The Fertitta brothers are the sheriffs in town, we need to realize that. They built a billion dollar casion empire with a few thousand bucks. They recognize what Dana is and know his shortfalls, and when the time comes to move on to a more long term stable business startegy and not a growth plan, they will make the necessary changes and see Dana on his way as a rich man.

[Donut62]

The question is now that the UFC have a monopoly on the sport will they protect certain fighters to protect their money invenstments.



And Pride did the same thing with Japanese. Boxing promoters protect and nurture young talent against 20 some shit cans before they go big. It's just a part of promoting.

[Donut62]

ToThe repsect over in PRIDE was incredible in comparison between the fighters and the big guns that were running the show like Takada and Sakakibara.

We weren't knee deep in the Japanses mainstream, so it just seems that way. Both Takada and Sakikibara were knee deep in organized crime, and almost weekly were embroiled in yakuza scandals on the evening news in Japan. The guy who's job Sakikibara took commited suicide just minutes after Sakikibara met him in a hotel room under strange circumstances. While they loved the sport, they certainly weren't the types you want managing it. They paid the price by running Pride into the ground when the scandals caught up to their lies and they lost the support of all their sponsors.

[jimmie]

We weren't knee deep in the Japanses mainstream, so it just seems that way. Both Takada and Sakikibara were knee deep in organized crime, and almost weekly were embroiled in yakuza scandals on the evening news in Japan. The guy who's job Sakikibara took commited suicide just minutes after Sakikibara met him in a hotel room under strange circumstances. While they loved the sport, they certainly weren't the types you want managing it. They paid the price by running Pride into the ground when the scandals caught up to their lies and they lost the support of all their sponsors.

Exactly :good

[Doppleganger]

I actually quite like the guy. :oops:

[Ethan Trims]

And yet, your original post all you talked about was how you find his persona distateful. You never mentioned the business model of the UFC and how it all fits together.

It kind of ties into together doesnt it. He is seen as the spokesperson for MMA and he doesnt come across well. Promotion, Public image etc.

His "distasteful persona" of talking shit to fighters like a hurt female looking for revenge shouldnt even take place in the first place.

And on to a totally different point. If he doesnt like the way Tito Ortiz is complaining about fighters low pay checks and how he (Dana) is not good for the sport then he should deal with it outside of the media like a man, not by taking pot shots at press conferences.

And onto your point about the Ferritas, thats debatable whether they will choose to keep him or not. I have a feeling they would only get rid of him if he brought to much negativity, even more then he has already done..

[Beebs]

To be honest i think Dana is everything that is bad about martial arts.His not a martial arts fan and doesnt have the pedigree.The repsect over in PRIDE was incredible in comparison between the fighters and the big guns that were running the show like Takada and Sakakibara.The UFC leaves a very stale taste in my mouth as TUF is nothing more than the usual car crash reality TV that doesnt produce much "REAL" talent in MMA

Takada was a pro wrestler who participated in worked matches against legends in the sport who happened to be down on there luck at the time (Mark Coleman) or who were just being introduced to the sport (CroCop) so spare me the revisionist history of Takada being some honorable benevolent leader. To say that Dana isn't a fan is absurd, why do you think he made the switch from boxing?

[chewy 22]

i think Dana White is the anti-christ, the Don King of MMA.

[AJAX]

He's the reason why MMA has become one of the most popular sports in America. He can swear all he wants and be a dick head, he's a brilliant businessman and literally carries the weight of the sport on his back in the USA. What any of us posting on some internet forum think of him is of little concern to anything.

Too bad boxing didn't have someone like him to clean it up and make fights happen that should happen instead of corrupt promoters and ABC's. controlling it for their own greedy ways.

[AJAX]

To be honest i think Dana is everything that is bad about martial arts.His not a martial arts fan and doesnt have the pedigree.The repsect over in PRIDE was incredible in comparison between the fighters and the big guns that were running the show like Takada and Sakakibara.The UFC leaves a very stale taste in my mouth as TUF is nothing more than the usual car crash reality TV that doesnt produce much "REAL" talent in MMA and has been way overextended in its practical usefulness for the sport.If Dana wants a breeding ground for fighters why not do it properly like OVW does in wrestling? To have one man running the show and one man calling all the big shots is always a bad thing.And il always stand by what iv always said, UFC`s aquistion of PRIDE will be the demise of MMA.MMA doesnt need uneducated fans and it doesnt need the rabble and meatheads that routinely turn up for there cup of blood.Thats not what martial arts is about.

To be honest I think you have become dillusional since Pride has become nullified. you are completly bias and hold Dana responsible for your emotional trauma you have suffered. Try to open your mind and except the loss:smooch

[scurlaruntings]

We weren't knee deep in the Japanses mainstream, so it just seems that way. Both Takada and Sakikibara were knee deep in organized crime, and almost weekly were embroiled in yakuza scandals on the evening news in Japan. The guy who's job Sakikibara took commited suicide just minutes after Sakikibara met him in a hotel room under strange circumstances. While they loved the sport, they certainly weren't the types you want managing it. They paid the price by running Pride into the ground when the scandals caught up to their lies and they lost the support of all their sponsors.And? Was this on the back of your mind when you was enjoying there shows? Was you mentioning this before PRIDES demise? The IBF had links to crime.Boxing as a whole had links to organised crime from the 20`s right up into the 80`s.Don King has been investigated time and again and proven to have links to crime.Did that make you any less of a fan? Realistically what happens behinds the scenes to us as the end viewer is wholly immaterial.PRIDE only got busted because of there size popularity and massive influence.

Despite this PRIDE was good for MMA they were the market leader and Dana knew this.The UFC is not.There whole act is too reminiscent of the Vale Tudo no holds barred days.

[scurlaruntings]

Takada was a pro wrestler who participated in worked matches against legends in the sport who happened to be down on there luck at the time (Mark Coleman) or who were just being introduced to the sport (CroCop) so spare me the revisionist history of Takada being some honorable benevolent leader. To say that Dana isn't a fan is absurd, why do you think he made the switch from boxing?Wow a worked match! Now thats revolutionary! Tell me something new! O yea thats right and now he slates boxing everytime he gets a chance.As though the UFC really needs leverage from boxing:patsch

[amhlilhaus]

To say that Dana isn't a fan is absurd, why do you think he made the switch from boxing?

um, because he'd fail as a boxing promoter?

dana is supposed to be friends with the fighters, mistake no. 1 it's a business, the fighters are your employees and when it's time to move on, what will he do?

he also needs to grow up and stop taking potshots at people he doesn't like, he attacks reporters, fighters and fans both in public and on the internet, when he's in a position he is in, he doesn't need to respond, because he's lowering his level.

[demzor]

Say alll you want about Dana...

All i know is we're getting to see
Quinton Jackson (UFC LHW Champ) vs Dan Henderson (PRIDE LHW Champ)

FOR FREE.


I'll take that.. thanks

[Donut62]

And? Was this on the back of your mind when you was enjoying there shows? Was you mentioning this before PRIDES demise? The IBF had links to crime.Boxing as a whole had links to organised crime from the 20`s right up into the 80`s.Don King has been investigated time and again and proven to have links to crime.Did that make you any less of a fan? Realistically what happens behinds the scenes to us as the end viewer is wholly immaterial.PRIDE only got busted because of there size popularity and massive influence.


So, if a bunch of corrupt criminal frontmen for Yakuza gangs take the largest MMA organization in the world, run it into the ground after 5 years, but put on some good shows in the meantime, you see nothing wrong with that? It doesn't bother you? They killed what you loved. I think you really need to get over the fact that Pride failed. UFC won. Dana White and the Fertita brothers are 100 times the sucesses that Sakikibara and his diaper wearing crony were.

[scurlaruntings]

So, if a bunch of corrupt criminal frontmen for Yakuza gangs take the largest MMA organization in the world, run it into the ground after 5 years, but put on some good shows in the meantime, you see nothing wrong with that? It doesn't bother you? They killed what you loved. I think you really need to get over the fact that Pride failed. UFC won. Dana White and the Fertita brothers are 100 times the sucesses that Sakikibara and his diaper wearing crony were.Yes PRIDE did fail that much is obvious but its success at the time was far greater than PRIDE at the time.Just because the UFC is the last man standing as they`ve profitted from PRIDES demise aswell as the WFA`s doesnt mean they`ve got it right.

[Dostoevsky]

The Yakuza didn't exactly run Pride into the ground, it was a newspaper reporter who made a claim of Prides ties with organized crime, through that FUJI tv freaked out and pulled Pride off the air, through that Pride lost its sponsers and as a result lost all its money.

The only response was to use PPV's. Which in Japan is unheard of as PPV's are not common and rarely ever used.(if at all)
Since there is not a culture of buying PPV's in Japan and people really don't buy them, then Pride was heading up shit creek.

It especially didn't help that at the time they were losing colossal amounts of money they started making the shows even more extravagent and expensive!
Even trying to brake into the American Market.
Not very smart when losing money.

Lets not forget that the Yakuza ties with Pride have never been proven with fact or evidence, just specualtion and unsubstantiated guesses from a journalist in a tabloid.

[scurlaruntings]

According to Donut its word..

[Beebs]

Lets not forget that the Yakuza ties with Pride have never been proven with fact or evidence, just specualtion and unsubstantiated guesses from a journalist in a tabloid.

It was convincing enough for Fuji to pull one of its biggest moneymakers. Theres also the matter of Morishita's suicide, also never conclusively linked to organized crime, but the speculation was certainly there.

Pride, as we knew it, was going to go out of business one way or another after the Fuji deal was lost, so I really don't understand the anger at the company who bought it.

[Dostoevsky]

I agree, as soon as pride lost its TV deal it was over. Not to mention the owners or Pride showed no constraint when it came to money saving.

Even though the links to organized crime were never proven, i could not deny there was suspicious goings on and rumours.

It is quite surprising that Pride was sold to a non-Japanese company, i thought doing that sort of thing was a taboo in Japan.
I always assumed Pride would have been sold to K-1 and then be morphed into the k-1 format, the transition would have been far easier for everyone involved.

[Donut62]

Lets not forget that the Yakuza ties with Pride have never been proven with fact or evidence, just specualtion and unsubstantiated guesses from a journalist in a tabloid.

No, you are correct, I am too bold in passing it as true fact. But honestly, everybody knows that it is true. Enson Inoue was/is a Yakuza member and openly says that Takada and Sakikibara are both so deep in organized crime that most Yakuza don't trust them. It would take more than a pure rumor to get FujiTV to kill it's biggest moneymaker, they had to have their own suspicions beforehand.

[USMCGixxer6]

To say that Dana isn't a fan is absurd, why do you think he made the switch from boxing?

Because he failed miserably as a Boxing promoter.

[Beebs]

Because he failed miserably as a Boxing promoter.

Which is why he had the money to invest in MMA.:huh

[erik1126]

Out Mma UFC it the only one i watch but it has nothing to do with Dana White i think he is pretty much a jackass

[Shev]

Dana's just a figurehead, he benefits from his control and not having a bad rep unlike say, Don King.