Bonavena to Ali - "You big chicken"

[fists of fury]

Remember the press conference between Ali and Bonavena, when Oscar became proabably the only man to beat Muhammad at his own game?

Bonavena: Why you no go to the army?

(Ali looks at Bonavena with disdain)

Bonavena: You big chicken.

Bonavena: Chicken! You big chicken! (Makes "ckicken" sounds) Chicken!

(After a few moments of silence)

Ali: Did you cut your hair? I'll cut your hair.
(Oscar had landed in trouble with Argentian boxing authorities about his long hair)

Bonavena: Cut my hair?

Ali: I'll cut your hair.

Bonavena: Cut my hair?

(Someone in the crowd says something to Ali)

Ali: Well, he never should have started talking - not with Muhammad Ali.

Bonavena: Clay.

Ali: What?

Bonavena: Clay.

Ali: It's Ali.

Bonavena: (Laughing) Clay.

Ali: You'll call it when the fight comes off.

Bonavena: (laughing) Clay (laughs again)

Ali: (Getting flustered) I...you...you'll call it when the fight comes off!

Bonavena: Clay...Clay...Clay...(laughing)

Ali: (looks to crowd) Please! Tell everyone to get to the theatres, I have
never had a man I wanted to whup so bad!

[Luigi1985]

Remember the press conference between Ali and Bonavena, when Oscar became proabably the only man to beat Muhammad at his own game?

Bonavena: Why you no go to the army?

(Ali looks at Bonavena with disdain)

Bonavena: You big chicken.

Bonavena: Chicken! You big chicken! (Makes "ckicken" sounds) Chicken!

(After a few moments of silence)

Ali: Did you cut your hair? I'll cut your hair.
(Oscar had landed in trouble with Argentian boxing authorities about his long hair)

Bonavena: Cut my hair?

Ali: I'll cut your hair.

Bonavena: Cut my hair?

(Someone in the crowd says something to Ali)

Ali: Well, he never should have started talking - not with Muhammad Ali.

Bonavena: Clay.

Ali: What?

Bonavena: Clay.

Ali: It's Ali.

Bonavena: (Laughing) Clay.

Ali: You'll call it when the fight comes off.

Bonavena: (laughing) Clay (laughs again)

Ali: (Getting flustered) I...you...you'll call it when the fight comes off!

Bonavena: Clay...Clay...Clay...(laughing)

Ali: (looks to crowd) Please! Tell everyone to get to the theatres, I have
never had a man I wanted to whup so bad!



:lol:


What a intellectual conversation...

[McGrain]

Ali played the straight man to Joe Louis a couple of times apparently, though I only have the trancript for the once. I actually think he could be thrown pretty easily in these type of situations if he gets dragged out of his comfort zone.

[theHawtness]

ali was owned!!!

[My dinner with Conteh]

I can't believe you missed out the best bit:

Ringo: "Why you no go the army?"

Ali: "I'll tell you Monday night in the first clinch".


:D

[Jbuz]

ali was owned!!!

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[Duodenum]

Ali got outblabbed by a man with a helium voice! (But Ringo did make nice, right after Ali's wrecking ball hook slammed him to the dirt.)

[jyuza]

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Thank you, you beat me on this. :good

[quintonjacksonfan]

That was great. I also liked when Cosell had to get between Ali and Terrell

[Titan1]

It was cool before they touched gloves, when Ali and Bonevena were talking trash to each other.

[Swedish81]

Bonavena just acted silly, like a 5-year old.
He didn't won that conversation, he just made a fool out of himself.

[Ramon Rojo]

ali was owned!!!

No, he wasn´t.

[fists of fury]

I can't believe you missed out the best bit:

Ringo: "Why you no go the army?"

Ali: "I'll tell you Monday night in the first clinch".


:D

:lol: I knew there was a line I had forgotten! Thanks for adding that.

[Russell]

"I've never wanted to whoop a man so bad...!"

Yeah, fucking Bonavena had him going. It was hilarious.

[Dempsey1238]

Ali own him in the ring, but Bonavena own him in words lol.

I sure had Ali ko Cosell over one of there arugments, people would have said Cosell got own.

[thunder06]

swedish u have to tell me who that is in ur avatar.

[Jbuz]

Ali own him in the ring, but Bonavena own him in words lol.

I sure had Ali ko Cosell over one of there arugments, people would have said Cosell got own.

Not really. Just continually saying "clay" "clay" "clay", isn't exactly ownage. He basically took Terrell and Patterson's line, and just kept saying it.

[ChrisPontius]

And he was pretty succesful with it. He merely needed to say 1 word to piss Ali off and having him not able to come back with something good in return. Efficiency at its best.

[tommygun711]

Bonavena looked pretty stupid with this after Ali knocked him out

[Boxed Ears]

:lol:


What a intellectual conversation...

*an :D

Bonavena looked pretty stupid with this after Ali knocked him out

:lol: Weird bump. Of course, Ringo took it all back after the fight and told Ali he'd beat Frazier on camera, in the post-fight interview, as I recall. He's was quite humble. :yep

[Vic-JofreBRASIL]

Remember the press conference between Ali and Bonavena, when Oscar became proabably the only man to beat Muhammad at his own game?

Bonavena: Why you no go to the army?

(Ali looks at Bonavena with disdain)

Bonavena: You big chicken.

Bonavena: Chicken! You big chicken! (Makes "ckicken" sounds) Chicken!

(After a few moments of silence)

Ali: Did you cut your hair? I'll cut your hair.
(Oscar had landed in trouble with Argentian boxing authorities about his long hair)

Bonavena: Cut my hair?

Ali: I'll cut your hair.

Bonavena: Cut my hair?

(Someone in the crowd says something to Ali)

Ali: Well, he never should have started talking - not with Muhammad Ali.

Bonavena: Clay.

Ali: What?

Bonavena: Clay.

Ali: It's Ali.

Bonavena: (Laughing) Clay.

Ali: You'll call it when the fight comes off.

Bonavena: (laughing) Clay (laughs again)

Ali: (Getting flustered) I...you...you'll call it when the fight comes off!

Bonavena: Clay...Clay...Clay...(laughing)

Ali: (looks to crowd) Please! Tell everyone to get to the theatres, I have
never had a man I wanted to whup so bad!

:lol:

[red cobra]

Ali got outblabbed by a man with a helium voice! (But Ringo did make nice, right after Ali's wrecking ball hook slammed him to the dirt.)
"You no cheekin...you no cheekin...Frazier no ween you"...that was bizarre..

[Boxed Ears]

"You no cheekin...you no cheekin...Frazier no ween you"...that was bizarre..

:lol: Yep, that's it. I think Ali also remarked that Bonavena hit him "as hard as any man can hit". ...:think

[Senor Pepe']

I think the 'Chicken sound' Oscar made was,,,,

'You Chicken,,,,,,,,,Beep Beep'

The press conference was pretty good though,,,,,,,

I scored it 10-9 for Oscar,,,,,,,,,,,He was busier, funnier, and had more scoring phrases!!!!

[frankenfrank]

*an :D



:lol: Weird bump. Of course, Ringo took it all back after the fight and told Ali he'd beat Frazier on camera, in the post-fight interview, as I recall. He's was quite humble. :yep
and it wasn't him being nice/polite , just honest . Frazier couldn't beat Bonavena and Ali beat him better than any1 else . But that was d expected thing due 2 size considerations . But then it's 1 of d fewest times that Ali managed 2do d expected . And even in this case imagine what Foreman would have done if he was in place of Ali .

[red cobra]

and it wasn't him being nice/polite , just honest . Frazier couldn't beat Bonavena and Ali beat him better than any1 else . But that was d expected thing due 2 size considerations . But then it's 1 of d fewest times that Ali did d expected . And even in this case imagine what Foreman would have done if he was in place of Ali .
Yes, and refreshing honesty from Ringo..usually fighters pull this bullshit that the guy who didn't beat them badly, i.e., the guy who they looked good against is better than the guy who owned them. "The guy who just staggered me is a harder hitter than the guy wgo decked me..who put me on my ass",..that sort of shit, like Norton calling Ali "stronger" than Foreman...at least Ringo was tellin it as it was about Ali..saying that Frazier "no ween you"........of couse, we know that Oscar was full of shit about that FOTC, cause Frazier did indeed "ween" Ali.

[Senor Pepe']

Red C,

Correct on Oscar,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Could be regarded as one of the more honest guys.

Always in good shape, never gave an excuse, always put in a good day's work.

Wasn't afraid to take on anyone, anywhere and at any time.

[frankenfrank]

Yes, and refreshing honesty from Ringo..usually fighters pull this bullshit that the guy who didn't beat them badly, i.e., the guy who they looked good against is better than the guy who owned them. "The guy who just staggered me is a harder hitter than the guy wgo decked me..who put me on my ass",..that sort of shit, like Norton calling Ali "stronger" than Foreman...at least Ringo was tellin it as it was about Ali..saying that Frazier "no ween you"........of couse, we know that Oscar was full of shit about that FOTC, cause Frazier did indeed "ween" Ali.
not "full of shit" at all , he only picked d guy who beat him over d guy he beat .

[ron u.k.]

and it wasn't him being nice/polite , just honest . Frazier couldn't beat Bonavena and Ali beat him better than any1 else . But that was d expected thing due 2 size considerations . But then it's 1 of d fewest times that Ali managed 2do d expected . And even in this case imagine what Foreman would have done if he was in place of Ali . Weight wise there was nothing in it Oscar virtually always fought at over 200 pounds.

[Surf-Bat]

I like how he challenges Ali to hit him right there and then:

"OK, go 'head....go 'head....you poonch (punch) me NOW..."

I'll take Ringo in a street brawl.

[frankenfrank]

Weight wise there was nothing in it Oscar virtually always fought at over 200 pounds.
He was a bit fatter than Ali and still 8 lbs lighter , so what did u prove here ? Oscar virtually always fought @ over 200 lbs so u'd argue that he was about as big as Foreman as well ? and Foreman was only d slightest of slights bigger than Ali .

[mcvey]

It was Oscar who laid an egg.

He who laughs last-----

[Stevie G]

Remember the press conference between Ali and Bonavena, when Oscar became proabably the only man to beat Muhammad at his own game?

Bonavena: Why you no go to the army?

(Ali looks at Bonavena with disdain)

Bonavena: You big chicken.

Bonavena: Chicken! You big chicken! (Makes "ckicken" sounds) Chicken!

(After a few moments of silence)

Ali: Did you cut your hair? I'll cut your hair.
(Oscar had landed in trouble with Argentian boxing authorities about his long hair)

Bonavena: Cut my hair?

Ali: I'll cut your hair.

Bonavena: Cut my hair?

(Someone in the crowd says something to Ali)

Ali: Well, he never should have started talking - not with Muhammad Ali.

Bonavena: Clay.

Ali: What?

Bonavena: Clay.

Ali: It's Ali.

Bonavena: (Laughing) Clay.

Ali: You'll call it when the fight comes off.

Bonavena: (laughing) Clay (laughs again)

Ali: (Getting flustered) I...you...you'll call it when the fight comes off!

Bonavena: Clay...Clay...Clay...(laughing)

Ali: (looks to crowd) Please! Tell everyone to get to the theatres, I have
never had a man I wanted to whup so bad!


I remember this very well. Bonavena was n't talking so much after Ali stopped him in their fight :D

[Boxed Ears]

and it wasn't him being nice/polite , just honest . Frazier couldn't beat Bonavena and Ali beat him better than any1 else . But that was d expected thing due 2 size considerations . But then it's 1 of d fewest times that Ali managed 2do d expected . And even in this case imagine what Foreman would have done if he was in place of Ali .


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[red cobra]

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:rofl:rofl

[frankenfrank]

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As if my words reopened his [Only registered and activated users can see links] .
There's a pic of his condition while it still was in its relaxed state , just so u could show him more empathy .

[red cobra]

Red C,

Correct on Oscar,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Could be regarded as one of the more honest guys.

Always in good shape, never gave an excuse, always put in a good day's work.

Wasn't afraid to take on anyone, anywhere and at any time.
As Jose Torres put it in one of his books, "Qscar Bonavena had balls"..I always had an affinity for the great Argentine fighters..Monzon, Galindez, and though he wasn't as great as these two, I always liked Bonavena. He was more colorful than Carlos and Victor, if not as great.

[Senor Pepe']

Red C,

One thing about Oscar Bonavena,,,,,,

I did get to see him in person, in New York City back in 1972.

Though he had a thick-body,,,,, he was really not that big. Maybe a shade over 5' 10" and about 210 lbs.

He did have broad shoulders, a thick-neck, massive arms and a thick trunk,,,,,,

He resembled 'a mason or brick-layer',,,,,, or an early 1970's football 'fullback',,,,,,

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[JWSoats]

A great post.

As I remember it, Bonavena said "You chicken - peep peep peep peep peep!"

and there was more to the conversation:

Ali: Now I'm really angry!
Bonavena: You hungry?

[Senor Pepe']

Lets give Oscar some Kudo's,,,,,,,,,,,

When he took on Muhammad Ali, he came in to that bout in very-good condition.

At age 28, the 5' 10" 'Argentinian Bull' was 'a-trim-and-ready' 204 lbs.

And, he was no 'bum in hibernation', the guy was an active fighter with 7-bouts in the
previous 12-months, and was rated the #3 Heavyweight by Ring Magazine.

After the fight, the scoring was a little unbalanced, with Ring Magazine scoring it
10-3-1 for Muhammad Ali, but many at Ringside including (Dick Young, New York Daily News)
had it much closer at 8-5-1 for Ali.

Round 9,,,,,,An unbelievable round, with Oscar, after getting pounded and staggered during the
middle of the round,,,,, nails Muhammad Ali with a short left hook at the 2:32 mark, and has Ali
out on his feet as he wobbles back to the ropes. Oscar tries, but couldn't find one more big hook.

Interview with Joe Frazier after the fight; 'I fell asleep after the 7th Round. It was the dullest fight I ever saw.'

[ron u.k.]

He was a bit fatter than Ali and still 8 lbs lighter , so what did u prove here ? Oscar virtually always fought @ over 200 lbs so u'd argue that he was about as big as Foreman as well ? and Foreman was only d slightest of slights bigger than Ali . What do you mean what did I prove? I was simply making an observation,you went on about size.Which ever way you look at it Oscar wasn't a small heavyweight for his day.He was a powerful,strong proposition for anyone.

[frankenfrank]

What do you mean what did I prove? I was simply making an observation,you went on about size.Which ever way you look at it Oscar wasn't a small heavyweight for his day.He was a powerful,strong proposition for anyone.
He surely wasn't a big heavyweight 4 his day .
Much smaller than Ali , but u ignore it like every other fact , don't u ?
Strong proposition 4 any1 ? not even during his own era .
Liston , Ali , Foreman . Was he a strong proposition 4 them ?
Would he have been a strong proposition 4 , say , David Tua ? James Smith ? Donovan Ruddock maybe ? Frank Bruno ? Hasim Rahman ?
Lewis ? Bowe ? Valuev ? Wladimir ? Vitali ? McCline ? there r more .

[Senor Pepe']

Oscar Bonavena

Ring Magazine,,,,,,General Analysis (1970)

Oscar is a 'big heavyweight',,,,,,,and usually fights between 205 and 210 lbs.

Clearly, Oscar is one of the 'strongest' heavyweights on the boxing scene today.

His strength, is the ability to get inside and wear down his opponents with constant pressure.

His hard clubbing punches do take their toll on his opponents, as they numb their body and arms, preventing them from making a late-charge in the fight.

[frankenfrank]

How did i forget Zora Folley ? must have been a huge giant with humongous size and enormous strength . 4 Bonavena he was .
Ring Magazine were full of shit , or otherwise they didn't sell .

[Senor Pepe']

Prior to fighting Muhammad Ali in 1970,,,,,,,,

Oscar Bonavena had suffered '6 Knockdowns in Heavyweight bouts.

'Once' by Zora Folley 'I'..........{2/26/65}
'Once' by Jose Giorgetti..........{3/12/66}
'Twice' by Jimmy Ellis..............{12/2/67}
'Once' by Lee Carr.................{4/20/68}
'Once' by Zora Folley 'II'..........{7/6/68}

* Oscar was issued a 'Standing 8-Count' in his bout with Santiago Alberto Lovell, on 12/13/69, in Argentina.

'Ringo' was never floored by 'Smokin' Joe Frazier,, in 'two bouts' and '25' rounds of boxing

[Stevie G]

As Jose Torres put it in one of his books, "Qscar Bonavena had balls"..I always had an affinity for the great Argentine fighters..Monzon, Galindez, and though he wasn't as great as these two, I always liked Bonavena. He was more colorful than Carlos and Victor, if not as great.

That book by Torres,'Sting Like A Bee' was the first biography that I read on Ali. Way back in 1972 !! Very good read. Especially the part when Jose was covering the FOTC.

[Senor Pepe']

Oscar Bonavena was a 'much tougher' opponent than many could imagine.

New York Times,,,,,,,,,,pre-fight analysis of Oscar Bonavena

Awkward, slow and clumsy,,,,,,,,,with about as much grace as a bull in a china shop.
Oscar will be a 'sitting bull' for the sharp-shooting Muhammad Ali.

[groove]

ever watched jimmy ellis v bonavena? maybe that's why ali was so favoured.

[ron u.k.]

He surely wasn't a big heavyweight 4 his day .
Much smaller than Ali , but u ignore it like every other fact , don't u ?
Strong proposition 4 any1 ? not even during his own era .
Liston , Ali , Foreman . Was he a strong proposition 4 them ?
Would he have been a strong proposition 4 , say , David Tua ? James Smith ? Donovan Ruddock maybe ? Frank Bruno ? Hasim Rahman ?
Lewis ? Bowe ? Valuev ? Wladimir ? Vitali ? McCline ? there r more . Of course he was a big heavyweight for his day,oh but you're only talking heightwise,everything else doesn't count.
Well Tyson was a pygmy then.

[MRBILL]

Remember the press conference between Ali and Bonavena, when Oscar became proabably the only man to beat Muhammad at his own game?

Bonavena: Why you no go to the army?

(Ali looks at Bonavena with disdain)

Bonavena: You big chicken.

Bonavena: Chicken! You big chicken! (Makes "ckicken" sounds) Chicken!

(After a few moments of silence)

Ali: Did you cut your hair? I'll cut your hair.
(Oscar had landed in trouble with Argentian boxing authorities about his long hair)

Bonavena: Cut my hair?

Ali: I'll cut your hair.

Bonavena: Cut my hair?

(Someone in the crowd says something to Ali)

Ali: Well, he never should have started talking - not with Muhammad Ali.

Bonavena: Clay.

Ali: What?

Bonavena: Clay.

Ali: It's Ali.

Bonavena: (Laughing) Clay.

Ali: You'll call it when the fight comes off.

Bonavena: (laughing) Clay (laughs again)

Ali: (Getting flustered) I...you...you'll call it when the fight comes off!

Bonavena: Clay...Clay...Clay...(laughing)

Ali: (looks to crowd) Please! Tell everyone to get to the theatres, I have
never had a man I wanted to whup so bad!
Bonavena was game and gave a good showing up in '70 New York, but Ali was still his superior and scored the 15th rd. TKO in classic fashion....
:bbb:deal

SR.BILL:hat

[frankenfrank]

Of course he was a big heavyweight for his day,oh but you're only talking heightwise,everything else doesn't count.
Well Tyson was a pygmy then.

Even mass wise Bonavena's mass consisted of more fat than u know . Fat does not equal size , and while Tyson was a small heavyweight at least he was a massive 1 , Bonavena , 4 a heavyweight , was not even as massive , unless u consider Michael Moorer 1 of d biggest heavyweights of d previous decade .

[ron u.k.]

Even mass wise Bonavena's mass consisted of more fat than u know . Fat does not equal size , and while Tyson was a small heavyweight at least he was a massive 1 , Bonavena , 4 a heavyweight , was not even as massive , unless u consider Michael Moorer 1 of d biggest heavyweights of d previous decade . Sorry your wrong.

[red cobra]

Oscar Bonavena was a 'much tougher' opponent than many could imagine.

New York Times,,,,,,,,,,pre-fight analysis of Oscar Bonavena

Awkward, slow and clumsy,,,,,,,,,with about as much grace as a bull in a china shop.
Oscar will be a 'sitting bull' for the sharp-shooting Muhammad Ali.
and yet Oscar looked like Willie Pep vs Chuvalo..I guess clumsiness is a relative thing..:D

[Senor Pepe']

and yet Oscar looked like Willie Pep vs Chuvalo..I guess clumsiness is a relative thing..:D

More from the New York Times,,,,,,

Red Smith, sports columnist,,,,,

'Oscar looks like he's fighting underwater, as you can see his punches
coming from the City of Atlantis',

'After five rounds of toying with this slow moving ship, Ali should rip the
'Argentininian Tug Boat' apart, and sink him with a few torpedoes.'

'My prediction, is Ali by a 6th round TKO.'

[Stevie G]

Oscar was one tough hombre. He may not have been a world beater,but he would always give the world's best a tough fight.

[frankenfrank]

Sorry your wrong.

now u convinced me

[ron u.k.]

now u convinced me:good