Hopkins gets away with too much dirty tactics!

[Grinder]

Firstly, the cut was a delberate headbutt. He continually threw himself at Winky with his head slightly lowered. Winky didn't know whether to block the head or the punches.

I can't understand why he can get away with this rubbish. It is a blight on boxing. The fight should have gone to Winky by DQ.

Add the blindside (from the refereees point of view) punches in the clinch and you have the dirtiest boxing champion.

Who wants to watch that kind of fight?

[Dr Gonzo]

who wins in a head butting contest..... hopkins vs holyfield?

[Silver]

who wins in a head butting contest..... hopkins vs holyfield?probably holyfield, you saw how he gave rahman a tumor. as for the poster, well hopkins knows all the tricks and when you get in the ring, he use them all. its up the ref to do something about it. a theif will steal all day if you dont stop him.

[Dr Gonzo]

probably holyfield, you saw how he gave rahman a tumor. as for the poster, well hopkins knows all the tricks and when you get in the ring, he use them all. its up the ref to do something about it. a theif will steal all day if you dont stop him.

a tumor? :rofl:rofl

[Silver]

a tumor? :rofl:rofl
:yep


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holyfield made rahman grow a second head. headbutts cant get more effective than this.

[brooklyn1550]

He does it differently than Holyfield

[divac]

Alot in the general forum might not realize that the way Hopkins fought Winky, is actually the way most of Hopkins fights went pre-Felix Trinidad.

Hopkins got away from using those rough house tactics because he was fighting naturally smaller men who he was by far technically superior too (DLH and Triniad)

Hopkins could'nt do to Jermaine Taylor what he did to Winky Wright because Taylor had young fresh legs to avoid the clinch, and was faster handed than Hopkins in combination when on the inside.....so in essence, Hopkins was stuck between a rock and hard place vs Jermaine Taylor.
Taylor outworked Hopkins with younger legs and faster hands.


What you all saw Hopkins do to Winky is what most of Hopkins middleweight defenses looked like vs legit just as strong middleweight.
When Hopkins fights just as strong a fighter as himself, that is what he reverts too.....clinching, holding, potshotting, etc.......

.....but I have too hand it to Hopkins, even while doing that, unlike someone like John Ruiz, Bernard Hopkins grinds and fights.
Hopkins finds various instances in most of the rounds to throw thunder, which are meaningful shots that wear down an opponent and hurt!

It's not pretty, but BHop gets it done!

[psychopath]

Firstly, the cut was a delberate headbutt. He continually threw himself at Winky with his head slightly lowered. Winky didn't know whether to block the head or the punches.

I can't understand why he can get away with this rubbish. It is a blight on boxing. The fight should have gone to Winky by DQ.

Add the blindside (from the refereees point of view) punches in the clinch and you have the dirtiest boxing champion.

Who wants to watch that kind of fight?

His head slightlty lowered? :lol: :lol: :lol:

When did u start seeing Bhops fight? :D If you can review all his fights, you'll notice that that's his normal fighting form . . . his head lowered and his chin tucked in.

It seems to me like you're just sour graping boii . . . how many fighters punch during clinches? Hatton does that, Coto does that, even Winky himself does that . . . so what's your problem?

Stop bitching, crying and whining just stop watching boxing . . . for christ sake. :yep :good

[psychopath]

Hopkins could'nt do to Jermaine Taylor what he did to Winky Wright because Taylor had young fresh legs to avoid the clinch, and was faster handed than Hopkins in combination when on the inside.....so in essence, Hopkins was stuck between a rock and hard place vs Jermaine Taylor.
Taylor outworked Hopkins with younger legs and faster hands.

Exactly! Taylor wouldn't want to fight close so Bhops had a problem . . . style wise.

[quintonjacksonfan]

He was real close to getting Disqualified against Keith Holmes.

[TheGreat]

Jay Nady would have DQ'd his ass on saturday

[theunderdog]

well, he's getting away with it as you have said, so he's still doing it. it works for him!

[Sonny's jab]

Bernard Hopkins is a very dirty fighter.

Many of the great fighters were dirty fighters.
Dempsey, Marciano, Greb, Holyfield, Armstrong, Tyson, Fullmer, Basilio, Saddler.

[Thread Stealer]

Bernard Hopkins is a very dirty fighter.

Many of the great fighters were dirty fighters.
Dempsey, Marciano, Greb, Holyfield, Armstrong, Tyson, Fullmer, Basilio, Saddler.

Exactly.

Often people make a big deal out of a certain guy being dirty. While I don't like it, the fact is, most top fighters get away with bending the rules. Some more than others.

[Lupe]

Actually it is a big deal because it's unfair advantage. It does not matter whether you're a top fighter or not...boxing has rules and it's unfair when one fighter fights clean and others are made to getaway with it. Hopkins has done it so many times you start to wonder why the refs turn the bling eye.

I thought Smoger, Cortez and Bryd were going to be tough but they kept warning him to no end. A dirty fighter is a dirty fighter and Hopkins is one.

[BewareofDawg]

I was disgusted early on in the fight with all of Hopkins holding. I was embarassed to explain to my friend that he is "one of the greatest" middleweights ever.

[Lupe]

I was disgusted early on in the fight with all of Hopkins holding. I was embarassed to explain to my friend that he is "one of the greatest" middleweights ever.

THat would have been blasphemy.

[Sebastien]

Expect Winky's fans to be like Winky, whinos!!!

I had a lot of respect for Winky Wright going into this fight, but the way he kept bitching about the headbutts (and sometimes about punches), turned me off completely.

Bernard is right, this is a fight... you don't like it? Do something, gain that respect, in order to deter your opponent from doing something dirty. Stop turning to the referee for protection.

I'm so happy Bernard beat his ass, the tougher SOB prevailed saturday.

[Betty Swollocks]

Hopkins is a cheating cunt, remember when he smashed whatshisname in the back of the head as was holding him and bumming him? He's always been a dirty fucker and it's about time refs started applying the rules and DQing him.

[The Kurgan]

Hey, if Hopkins can't win without bending the rules (and he can't) then it should be tolerated... Because he's, uh, a legend.

That said, if Ruiz can get away with continual cheating to win, I don't see why people should chastise Hopkins for the same approach to boxing. Some boxers just aren't good enough to fight properly.

[Lupe]

Hey, if Hopkins can't win without bending the rules (and he can't) then it should be tolerated... Because he's, uh, a legend.

That said, if Ruiz can get away with continual cheating to win, I don't see why people should chastise Hopkins for the same approach to boxing. Some boxers just aren't good enough to fight properly.

Uummm...Good point.

[The Kurgan]

Stop turning to the referee for protection.

I'm so happy Bernard beat his ass, the tougher SOB prevailed saturday.

Yep, because the ref's job isn't to enforce the rules.

Face it, Hopkins isn't a tough boxer: if he was, he wouldn't have to cheat to win. He relies on the referee giving him an easy time because he doesn't have the talent that most world class boxers have. After all even with his bending of the rules, he still couldn't handle Roy Jones, who is a master at dealing with the dirty boxers like Hopkins and Ruiz.

[A-50]

Hopkins is very crafty, I find nothing wrong with his tactics.

[Sebastien]

Yep, because the ref's job isn't to enforce the rules.

Face it, Hopkins isn't a tough boxer: if he was, he wouldn't have to cheat to win. He relies on the referee giving him an easy time because he doesn't have the talent that most world class boxers have. After all even with his bending of the rules, he still couldn't handle Roy Jones, who is a master at dealing with the dirty boxers like Hopkins and Ruiz.

Sure, the ref has to enforce the rules... But I didn't see Bernard break the rules that much, headbutts are normal between a righty and a lefty, ESPECIALLY when one of them rushes to get inside where he is at his best.

You say that Bernard doesn't have the talent? You compare him to John Ruiz???? You are talking about the greatest boxing master alive! He didn't beat Winky on cheating, he beat Winky with superior movement and superior in-fighting... wake up!

[PH|LLA]

stop hating hopkins beat winky up plain and simple if they can't handle his style then dont fight him. Hopkins knows every trick in the book he knows how to throw an intentional unintentional headbutt. He knows where the judges and the ref are at all times. he knows what he can get away with. This is all part of his skill

[KobeIsGod]

gotta give hopkins credit. he seemed to break wright's will the last 3 rounds, but those rounds were tough watch. Robert Byrd got more action than the fighters :yep

Im surprised Byrd didnt take pts away from Hopkins though since he was pretty harsh in the Wald-Brew 1 fight. I'm sure Nady would have had a stroke :rofl

[boxbox]

hmmn...what would you have done if you were 40+ and fighting a top 3 P4P?
the ends justifies the means...i would have been more disappointed if Bhop was younger.

[The Kurgan]

Sure, the ref has to enforce the rules... But I didn't see Bernard break the rules that much, headbutts are normal between a righty and a lefty, ESPECIALLY when one of them rushes to get inside where he is at his best.

If a boxer continually rushes in close with his head down, ESPECIALLY again a southpaw, he should be penalised. It's one thing for Joe Frazier or Ricky Hatton to have his chin on his opponent's chest and his forehead in their face; they are/were shorter than almost all of their opponents. Hopkins is 6"1; if he's dropping his head low, he's deliberately headbutting, which is a foul. Continually fouling, if I really have to explain it to you, is cheating.

You say that Bernard doesn't have the talent? You compare him to John Ruiz????

Like Ruiz, he makes up for his lack of ability by cheating. Their methods are different, but the principle is the same.

You are talking about the greatest boxing master alive! He didn't beat Winky on cheating, he beat Winky with superior movement and superior in-fighting... wake up!

If he didn't beat Winky with cheating, then why did he cheat? Why does Hopkins always have to resort to dirty tactics if he's such a good boxer?

[Boinko]

The most annoying part was the number of times the ref warned Hopkins but didn't do anything about it. I mean, there has to be a point where you penalize the guy. Otherwise, you might as well stop warning him. If you have to warn him half a dozen times, he obviously isn't listening.

[TheGreat]

Bhops was the bigger man and he still had to cheat, he fought like Holyfield and should have been DQ'd for that shit.

[magnificentdave]

winky got beat... he knew he had to deal with that shit, he was even making excuses before the fight about it,
it's his fault if he wasn't prepared for it, you have a prerogative in the ring to "defend yourself at all times"

wasn't Hopkins on the ropes leaning back from winky when winky got butted?
doesn't sound like hopkins leading with his head to me.

[Street Lethal]

It sucks that people are making so many excuses for Hopkins. A boxer should be a sportsman at all times. There is no excuse for dirty ring tactics. The referee shouldn't tolerate it, but just because the referee isn't stopping it doesn't make it right. An athlete is supposed be the epitome of self-discipline and self-control. Hopkins fouled to win. That's wrong.

[Thread Stealer]

It sucks that people are making so many excuses for Hopkins. A boxer should be a sportsman at all times. There is no excuse for dirty ring tactics. The referee shouldn't tolerate it, but just because the referee isn't stopping it doesn't make it right. An athlete is supposed be the epitome of self-discipline and self-control. Hopkins fouled to win. That's wrong.

It'd be nice, but,

The reality of boxing is, most elite fighters bend the rules to their advantage, and Hopkins is one of the best at it.

I don't like it, but it's just something about the sport you have to accept. Guys will fight dirty and bend the rules.

I don't really pay much attention to it here and there since it's so frequent anyway, but if it's extreme, then I have a problem with it.

[psychopath]

It sucks that people are making so many excuses for Hopkins. A boxer should be a sportsman at all times. There is no excuse for dirty ring tactics. The referee shouldn't tolerate it, but just because the referee isn't stopping it doesn't make it right. An athlete is supposed be the epitome of self-discipline and self-control. Hopkins fouled to win. That's wrong.

Hey cry boii . . . did you read all the posts prior to this?

Of course fouling will never be right, but it's not only Bhops. Tyson, Holydield, Zab Judah, Hatton, Barrera and a lot more also fouls . . . that's the reality of this sports so if you can't live by it be gone and take a hike. :lol: :yep

[nervousxtian]

B-Hop is one of the dirtiest fights of my generation.. most of you all must of turned in during the post-Trindad faze of his career.

Go back and watch some older Hop fights, he always fights dirty.

[Grinder]

Expect Winky's fans to be like Winky, whinos!!!

I had a lot of respect for Winky Wright going into this fight, but the way he kept bitching about the headbutts (and sometimes about punches), turned me off completely.

Bernard is right, this is a fight... you don't like it? Do something, gain that respect, in order to deter your opponent from doing something dirty. Stop turning to the referee for protection.

I'm so happy Bernard beat his ass, the tougher SOB prevailed saturday.

I'm not a Winky fan - he has skills but doesn't put his full weight behind his punches. I am a boxing fan who woke up early to watch a s--t fight. Lucky I saw Katsidis fight or my time would have been totally wasted. Winky-X was suppsed to be a world-class fight. :lol:

With all the clinching and the butting and the blindside work it was like watching Mr Bean - frustrating.

[Street Lethal]

So you're okay with fouling in football, basketball, and other competitive sports. Cheating is fine. No problem with juicing or any of that. Whatever it takes to win is okay.

OR

Are you saying that boxing is not an honorable sport and therefore we should permit cheating in boxing while keeping the other sports on the level?

Holding people to a standard of sportsmanship is not whining.

[Scar]

What are you talking about?, when a southpaw meets a right hander headbutts will happen anyway, it happens everytime a left hander meets a right hander. Check out Winky/Taylor(the headbutts that got Taylor's eye swollen shut), Pacquiao/Morales 1...etc HELL, Hopkins always throws a right hand and leans with his head down, he did it many times against Tarver and we didn't see any complaints about any headbutts there. This is boxing, stuff like that happen all the time and worse sometimes, Hopkins won fair and square and the headbutt in the 2nd round was CLEARLY accidental.

[Thread Stealer]

So you're okay with fouling in football, basketball, and other competitive sports. Cheating is fine. No problem with juicing or any of that. Whatever it takes to win is okay.

OR

Are you saying that boxing is not an honorable sport and therefore we should permit cheating in boxing while keeping the other sports on the level?

Holding people to a standard of sportsmanship is not whining.

We're saying (or at least I am) that dirty fighting has always been a part of boxing, and while refs should do more to enforce the rules, boxers are always going to bend the rules. Like how Michael Jordan threw his elbow out when he takes it to the hoop, or power forwards throwing their shoulders and elbows out in the paint, or guys carrying on their crossovers or taking an extra step on their "first step".

By now, I've just accepted and even expected that fighters will bend the rules. Dirty fighting goes back many many years throughout the generations to fighters like Greb, B. Nelson, Marciano, Pedroza, etc...

Now, when fighters are very extreme about it, a la Pedroza-Laporte or Norwood-Gainer, then even that surprises me, and I expect the ref to do his job.

Both guys should have been DQ'd, Paul Sita did one of the most incompetent jobs in a prize fight I've ever seen.

[Thread Stealer]

B-Hop is one of the dirtiest fights of my generation.. most of you all must of turned in during the post-Trindad faze of his career.

Go back and watch some older Hop fights, he always fights dirty.

I enjoyed the Hopkins-Echols rematch foulfest.