View Full Version : Haye vs Maskaev?
LB3000
07-07-2008, 11:22 AM
There is a article on the main page of ESB saying boxrec have this fight listed. What do you guys think of the potential match up? I think its a good choice if its true, as Maskaev is ranked 7th by the WBC & IBF. Even though he has a top 10 ranking, the Haye haters on the general forum will still moan.
Decent match up. Haye by Ko within 3.
Max Molyneux
07-07-2008, 11:40 AM
Easy KO win for Haye, Oleg's chinny himself.
kurt2006
07-07-2008, 11:45 AM
easy peasy for DH.
zulander
07-07-2008, 11:55 AM
speed kills.
Good fight, name recognition and Oleg can punch but hes a little slow to say the least.
Beeston Brawler
07-07-2008, 01:02 PM
Decent start at heavy for the Hayemaker.
A big enough name who was until recently the holder of the WBC title - which seems to be the immediate aim, before a unification with Wlad next year.
robpalmer135
07-07-2008, 01:03 PM
KO within 3. To be fair he is ranked by the ring, ibf and wbc in the top 7 so its logical.
There were more intresting fights but, if he kncoks this guy out he will be in a position to get an eliminator to fight Wlad.
Anyone that says Haye is choosing easy fight is crazy, as he could have got a title shot with Sam Peter no problem.
Beeston Brawler
07-07-2008, 01:16 PM
It's a tough one - I feel he would be able to take on any of the chumps at heavy other than Wlad. A few more fights before that one IMO - Wlad isn't box office by any means but is intelligent and capable of frustrating his opponents in there.
Perhaps a tune up before a WBC title fight wouldn't be a bad thing, but he would school Sam Peter tomorrow. So............
kurt2006
07-07-2008, 01:32 PM
Perhaps a tune up before a WBC title fight wouldn't be a bad thing, but he would school Sam Peter tomorrow. So............
I have been saying that for a while. Fatso Peter is the best option, Haye will get a belt easily, a few defences for some decent money and he will have something extra to bring to the table when contracts for the Wlad fight are drawn up.
robpalmer135
07-07-2008, 01:34 PM
He is not going to fight for the WBC title. Even if he was offerd decent money to fight Peter, he would not accept the fight. He is goign after the number 1 in the division only.
kurt2006
07-07-2008, 01:54 PM
He is not going to fight for the WBC title. Even if he was offerd decent money to fight Peter, he would not accept the fight. He is goign after the number 1 in the division only.
Very odd strategy when you have fat bums like Sam ready for the taking and Wlad not really willing to fight DH for a while. If he gets the WBC belt it will enhance his position greatly.
stuey
07-07-2008, 02:05 PM
i think thats a good start, it has a level of danger about it and would be a former champ on the cv.
good option, like it.
BaronBrad
07-07-2008, 02:25 PM
It's a tough one - I feel he would be able to take on any of the chumps at heavy other than Wlad.
I don't think any of the heavyweight fighters are chumps. It takes a lot of balls to fight at any weight but particularly in the top division.
They might not be as skilled as your would like them to be but chumps they are not.
BigEars
07-07-2008, 02:28 PM
If it happens it is probably the best fight he could of gotten . Ruiz is busy with Valuev and Ibragimov is considering if he should continue fighting at all, so the only opponent left out of the 3 I felt were the best and actually available to fight is Maskaev .
Maskaev is very suited to Haye too and could provide an easy-ish win over a big name good opponent .
scurlaruntings
07-07-2008, 02:53 PM
Im surprised at most of the adulation for Haye here. His had a great run at cruiser and is certainly a formidable talent. But lets be real despite being a journeyman Maskeav isnt a complete can. We dont yet know what Haye is like at heavy. His 1 bout there isnt an indication of much. The bottom line is if he cant carry his power up his fucked. His chin isnt exactly the most rock solid and one thing is certain Maskeav CAN crack. Either way its a good start at heavy but its by no means a forgone conclusion. I prefer to look at it more as a yard stick.
john b
07-07-2008, 03:08 PM
Im surprised at most of the adulation for Haye here. His had a great run at cruiser and is certainly a formidable talent. But lets be real despite being a journeyman Maskeav isnt a complete can. We dont yet know what Haye is like at heavy. His 1 bout there isnt an indication of much. The bottom line is if he cant carry his power up his fucked. His chin isnt exactly the most rock solid and one thing is certain Maskeav CAN crack. Either way its a good start at heavy but its by no means a forgone conclusion. I prefer to look at it more as a yard stick.
Very True, but I think is power will carry to the heavyweights, as he struggled to get down to the cruiserweight limit.
Max Molyneux
07-07-2008, 03:48 PM
Bad choice of opponent. Being In the top 10 of the WBC doesn't say he's good enough still either, Williams was No 7 too when Vitali battered him. Bonin was no 11 too and he was out In the 2nd minute of the 1st round.
He's a former champ but he's shot and had a long spell of Inactivity due to Injuries and politics then lost to Peter, so he might not be so confident either. He's chinny as well.
He has a good right hand, but he's eroded while Haye's fast and too fresh to get caught.
It's not going to back up the shit talking when he puts the guy out In 2nd round.
He might as well went for Peter.
Maskaev has had one fight In two years.
Max Molyneux
07-07-2008, 03:49 PM
Very True, but I think is power will carry to the heavyweights, as he struggled to get down to the cruiserweight limit.
He pretended he easily got down to the Cruiser limit though.
The Kurgan
07-07-2008, 04:02 PM
It's a good idea to put Haye in with a big hitter. That will force him to work on his defence and get some in-ring practice of avoiding bombs, something he's going to have to improve in order to progress at heavyweight. Maskaev fits the bill: the epitome of the powerful, strong, unrelenting and slow heavyweight that Haye needs to be accustomed to boxing; he's basically the opposite of the opponents that Haye was facing at cruiserweight.
If they fight, I expect Haye to win by stoppage or KO when he unleashes a series of combinations, somewhere in the vicinity of round 5 to round 8.
Max Molyneux
07-07-2008, 04:03 PM
Not a good idea to put him In with a guy he'll take out In the 1st 3 round max.
The Kurgan
07-07-2008, 04:10 PM
His 1 bout there isnt an indication of much.
What 1 bout? :huh
The Kurgan
07-07-2008, 04:12 PM
Not a good idea to put him In with a guy he'll take out In the 1st 3 round max.
Will he? A lot of people thought Peter would take care of Maskaev easily.
Bad choice of opponent. Being In the top 10 of the WBC doesn't say he's good enough still either, Williams was No 7 too when Vitali battered him. Bonin was no 11 too and he was out In the 2nd minute of the 1st round.
He's a former champ but he's shot and had a long spell of Inactivity due to Injuries and politics then lost to Peter, so he might not be so confident either. He's chinny as well.
He has a good right hand, but he's eroded while Haye's fast and too fresh to get caught.
It's not going to back up the shit talking when he puts the guy out In 2nd round.
He might as well went for Peter.
Maskaev has had one fight In two years.
is this a bad choice of opponent in that haye would probably start favourite and the win will be a giant step towards a title fight?
i think an opponent of this level was always on the cards. blowing out someone like maskaev in a few rounds will make an impression with some american fans who believe he'll get KO'd against the first semi-decent heavyweight he faces.
In fact, if you read some of the american posters on the main forum they think that he should fight someone like minto or mollo in his first fight. :roll:
so as an introduction to the HW division, and the start of the setanta deal this is a good way to gage how well he'll do in the division and how many fights he needs before getting in with wladdy.
BigEars
07-07-2008, 05:20 PM
What 1 bout? :huh
Bonin
scurlaruntings
07-07-2008, 05:30 PM
BoninI guess techinically speaking its 2. As he did fight Garry Delaney at heavy aswell.:yep
brown bomber
07-07-2008, 05:35 PM
Well fingers crossed because he is the only thing above light middle resembling a great fighter who punches properly and isn't old as fuck. Furthermore he is the only guy capable of getting people interested at heavy. Personally I hope he slaps the granny out of Klitschko. I don't dislike Vlad but he's bad for boxing.
BigEars
07-07-2008, 05:48 PM
I guess techinically speaking its 2. As he did fight Garry Delaney at heavy aswell.:yep
I guess techinically speaking its 3. As he did fight Valery Semishkur at heavy aswell.:yep
John18
07-07-2008, 06:03 PM
I think it's a good first fight for him. People are judging him on his mouthing re a Wlad fight and saying the fight is a joke.
Pretend he has never mentioned Wlad.
He's the Undisputed CW Champ going for his first fight at HW. Decent start.
He'll not be long in ramping the competition up.
Beeston Brawler
07-07-2008, 06:13 PM
i think our american friends will be hoping david gets ktfo - but i cannot see it myself.
good point by jeff - why is it that all boxers from middle upwards seem to be old. having long amateur careers cannot explain it fully.....
i think our american friends will be hoping david gets ktfo - but i cannot see it myself.
good point by jeff - why is it that all boxers from middle upwards seem to be old. having long amateur careers cannot explain it fully.....
I guess that the talent pool is smaller these days and there are not enough young, talented fighters coming through who force the older ones to retire.
stuey
07-07-2008, 06:22 PM
i think our american friends will be hoping david gets ktfo - but i cannot see it myself.
good point by jeff - why is it that all boxers from middle upwards seem to be old. having long amateur careers cannot explain it fully.....
i would argue pavlik.
achillesthegreat
07-07-2008, 06:32 PM
Speed kills but skills tortue the opponent up to the death. Haye has both.
Seriously though, it's a quality match up. He's always been looking for a former champ and fighting a top 10 ranked fighter is great. One more after that and Wlad can't run no more. The next fight has to be against a tall guy though. People will want to believe Haye can beat a 6'4"+ 235lbs+ fighter. They will believe if Haye beats someone big.
The question is can Haye beat Vitali? Vitali will beat Peter on October, will David Haye fight Vitali in the Spring?
LiamE
07-08-2008, 05:20 AM
The question is can Haye beat Vitali? Vitali will beat Peter on October, will David Haye fight Vitali in the Spring?
More to the point, can Vitali still make it into a ring.....?
PaddyD1983
07-08-2008, 05:29 AM
I like this as a potential bout for Haye.
Its a big enough name for it to be TV worthy (ex champ and all), Maskaev was never brilliant in his prime and so shouldnt really be a big threat now that he is coming to the end of his career, but he's still dangerous enough to keep Haye on his toes.
Problem is though that it appears Haye is at his best when there's an element of risk, I can see him blowing Maskaev away in 3.
Having said that though, I'm gonna go down the o2 from Liverpool to watch it with a few of the boys so if anyone fancies an ESB get together then let me know and we'll meet you for a pint before hand.
D-MAC
07-08-2008, 05:53 AM
Its a good match-up for his step up to HW proper.
Haye KO 4/5
DamonD
07-08-2008, 06:07 AM
I think that taking Boxrec's word for certain has proved hopeless in the past.
Max Molyneux
07-08-2008, 07:06 AM
The question is can Haye beat Vitali? Vitali will beat Peter on October, will David Haye fight Vitali in the Spring?
If Vitali wasn't so Inactive and was still champ he would destroy Haye, he was better than Wlad and had a granite chin.
Vitali's not coming back though and It would be a pointless fight now.
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