View Full Version : Rees - whether it was a fix or not.........
DonPrestige
07-23-2007, 05:24 AM
How the F*ck is he allowed a title shot in the first place?
He'd never been 12 rounds
Never thought at 140
Isnt ranked in top 15 at 140
Hasnt fought anybody
I hope it wasnt a fix and Rees just exposed a paper champion in Mbaye but time will tell.
My issue is how does this fight get sanctioned and how the hell does it go off and no one really say anything about it. Another example of ****** destroying the credibility of boxing to fatten his bank balance. Well done to the Big Mac too but c'mon Braithwaite I believe hasnt won a fight in 2 years and retired because he said he lost his love for the sport (can anyone say PAYDAY). Dont want to make it sound like Enzo aint got the talent but lets give the lad a real opponent.
what did you see with your own eyes.
that should tell you if it was a fix or not.
mbaye simply does not have a high workrate and likes to fight at his own pace.
was koltenik fight a fix when mbaye did the same and was fortunate to get away with the draw.
simple fact is rees fought his heart out and won.
no fix
no dodgy dealings.
just an upset.
for a foix to be on some bookies would be screaming blue murder having been taken to the cleaners.
DonPrestige
07-23-2007, 05:38 AM
what did you see with your own eyes.
that should tell you if it was a fix or not.
mbaye simply does not have a high workrate and likes to fight at his own pace.
was koltenik fight a fix when mbaye did the same and was fortunate to get away with the draw.
simple fact is rees fought his heart out and won.
no fix
no dodgy dealings.
just an upset.
for a foix to be on some bookies would be screaming blue murder having been taken to the cleaners.
I hear what your saying and on the night I was surprised how easily Rees was outworking and hustling a world champion but I'm not gonna cry conspiracy until I see how the future pans out (in regrds to who ****** chooses for future fights) especially as it would be a discredit to Rees if it was a legit win. Innocent till proven guilty.
What I'm asking though is how in all that is good and right in the world did he deserve a title shot. If thats the kind of fighter MBaye is surely a more deserving contender should have been given the opportunity to dethrone him.
c_phillips3
07-23-2007, 06:37 AM
I hear what your saying and on the night I was surprised how easily Rees was outworking and hustling a world champion but I'm not gonna cry conspiracy until I see how the future pans out (in regrds to who ****** chooses for future fights) especially as it would be a discredit to Rees if it was a legit win. Innocent till proven guilty.
What I'm asking though is how in all that is good and right in the world did he deserve a title shot. If thats the kind of fighter MBaye is surely a more deserving contender should have been given the opportunity to dethrone him.:patsch ****** runs most of boxing in britain he lookes after the officials realy well no dout he bungs them so if ****** wants one of his boys to get a title thats not a problem for him
BigEars
07-23-2007, 07:18 AM
Just to clear one thing up , Braithwaite had won a comeback fight 5 months ago against Gustavo Enriquez(15-6-0) by 7th round stoppage .
I think everyone was complaining about Rees getting his title shot but fair play to him he took it with both hands .
achillesthegreat
07-23-2007, 07:33 AM
It was not a fix. Can people stop promoting this moronic bullshit.
Nemesis
07-23-2007, 08:02 AM
It was not a fix. Can people stop promoting this moronic bullshit.
exactly :good
AllyT
07-23-2007, 08:09 AM
I just did not see anything that raised suspicion of any kind of fix, I think the wee man simply outworked his opponent.
elias
07-23-2007, 08:51 AM
Rees fought a gutsy fight. He shouldn't have got a WBA title fight, but he did and he won.
****** got him the fight as a last chance, sink or swim.
If you call it a fix, get some proof. Equally, the moderators need to brush up on their media law here, this is getting potentially litigious.
However, the guy didn't deserve a shot. he took it, though. btw, he has fought at around light welter for the past few years.
Witter vs Rees is a fight I'd like to see.
Boro chris
07-23-2007, 11:29 AM
Probably not a fix but I dont rule it out.(Especially if Khan fights Rees in the next year)
More likely it was an undeserving B-level fighter with a superb corner fighting above his normal ability and outpointing an ageing and lethargic champ.
Mbaye was awful though. I cant belive a champion would let his title slip away in such a manner.:-(
Its possible that Rees got his shot because Enzo Calzaghe has good relations with ******.
PrideOfWales
07-23-2007, 01:03 PM
what did you see with your own eyes.
that should tell you if it was a fix or not.
mbaye simply does not have a high workrate and likes to fight at his own pace.
was koltenik fight a fix when mbaye did the same and was fortunate to get away with the draw.
simple fact is rees fought his heart out and won.
no fix
no dodgy dealings.
just an upset.
:happy
PrideOfWales
07-23-2007, 01:17 PM
Gavin Rees was supposed to fight Mike Anchondo for the WBO SFW title 3 year ago. He was high in a lot of the rankings then. He wasn't allowed to fight due to weight problems at the time. After that, obviously his suspension stripped him of his ranking points so that's why he's not in any of the top 15s. But what's different about this and say, James Toney coming back from his steroid suspension less his rankings and given a shot by Wlad or any of the other HWs?
M'Baye's a ****** fighter, obviously he can choose who he wants his boxers to fight and M'Baye probably saw an easy fight. The WBA must have sanctioned it based on Rees' high previous rankings, the closeness of the fight and a little favour from ******.
Rees was put into this fight originally VERY late and the fight (or possibly card if it was on the original Skelton/Sprott bill) was subsequently posponed.
Gavin Rees beat Solumayn M'Baye and that's all there is to it.
Ilesey
07-23-2007, 01:39 PM
No.
if some of you guys read the original post and not just the title, you'll see the post is actually about how the match was made in the first place, not if it was fixed.
like he said...rees had never fought at lww and hadn't fought more than 6 rounds, yet the fight got sanctioned.
the fight itself most likely wasn't fixed, rees just fought a very good fight against a paper champ...but should the fight have happened in the first place?
DonPrestige
07-24-2007, 08:19 AM
if some of you guys read the original post and not just the title, you'll see the post is actually about how the match was made in the first place, not if it was fixed.
like he said...rees had never fought at lww and hadn't fought more than 6 rounds, yet the fight got sanctioned.
the fight itself most likely wasn't fixed, rees just fought a very good fight against a paper champ...but should the fight have happened in the first place?
Thank You.
People were straying away from the question. Fix or not, how is it possible that the fight was even allowed to happen. Its so open and blatant that a powerful promoter can just arrange any fight he wants no matter rankings or other influences. We all know that corruption, backhanders and so on have been a part of boxing forever but has everyone just accepted it so much that there isnt even any uproar anymore when something like this happens.
UndisputedUK
07-24-2007, 12:53 PM
Thank You.
People were straying away from the question. Fix or not, how is it possible that the fight was even allowed to happen. Its so open and blatant that a powerful promoter can just arrange any fight he wants no matter rankings or other influences. We all know that corruption, backhanders and so on have been a part of boxing forever but has everyone just accepted it so much that there isnt even any uproar anymore when something like this happens.
Did you ever see Robin Reid against Sven Ottke?
The ref actually did not count a knockdown for Reid and in the same round deducted a point from him for nothing. At one point in this farce the Ref (was it Tillerman?) warned him for hitting Ottke.
Did you think that fight was a fix?
Rees won fair and square. He was ranked number 11 by the WBA. What I cannot get over is how quickly a champ gets the belt back after they have been exposed. Sturm, Klitschko etc.
Rocky was a complete no hoper when he fought Apollo Creed, but he won the rematch and did well in the first fight, was that a farce?
Steve Fox
07-24-2007, 01:18 PM
Saying Rees didn't deserve this fight is a massive under statement, he had done NOTHING to get that fight - oh, apart from being a FW fighter. The WBA are losing credibility at a startling rate and as for giving Rees credit, for what? Being better than the worst champion ever, in a fight he should never have got.
UndisputedUK
07-24-2007, 01:32 PM
Saying Rees didn't deserve this fight is a massive under statement, he had done NOTHING to get that fight - oh, apart from being a FW fighter. The WBA are losing credibility at a startling rate and as for giving Rees credit, for what? Being better than the worst champion ever, in a fight he should never have got.
What had Hamed done at Featherweight to earn a shot at Steve Robinson?
What had Baldomir done to get his title chance, and even worse after losing at 147lbs he gets a chance at the 154lbs vacant WBC belt!?
Why has the WBA got three champs at Cruiserweight?
Whats this WBC Emmeritus business?
Should Howard Clarke have challenged Fernando Vargas with 10 losses on his record?
Boxing is not an exact science, its a mix of science and art. :blurp
UndisputedUK
07-24-2007, 02:00 PM
I hope it's a big fight for Rees so he makes a lot of money, it would be amazing if he were to defend it a few times also.
In theory, Rees could drop down to lightweight and fight Khan in a non title affair. There are plenty of options open.
Perhaps Rees will rematch M'Baye, fight Khan or another domestic opponent. Maybe he is forced to fight Kotelnik.
I hope he gets paid well for a defence rather than give up the title.
We could be really under-estimating him after all.
What had Hamed done at Featherweight to earn a shot at Steve Robinson?
nothing at featherweight, but he had fought several 12 rounders, had been the EBU super-bantamweight champ, and a WBC international super-bantamweight title holder for several fights.
so there is some justification in hamed moving up a division to instantly challenge for a belt.
but rees hadn't fought any 12 rounders in 6 years or so which by itself is enough for him not to be deserving of a title shot. sure, when he did fight his two 12 rounders they were both for WBO inter-continental titles, but that was a long time ago. more recently he has not even been considered as a top domestic operator at lightweight.
so really, theres no comparison.
but anyway, whats done is done and rees is champion whether or not he deserved the shot. now i'd just like to see him give 100% whoever he fights next. hopefully he won't fall off the wagon, because he's ben giving an opportunity dozens of other british lww's would have jumped at.
Steve Fox
07-24-2007, 05:49 PM
What had Hamed done at Featherweight to earn a shot at Steve Robinson?
What had Baldomir done to get his title chance, and even worse after losing at 147lbs he gets a chance at the 154lbs vacant WBC belt!?
Why has the WBA got three champs at Cruiserweight?
Whats this WBC Emmeritus business?
Should Howard Clarke have challenged Fernando Vargas with 10 losses on his record?
Boxing is not an exact science, its a mix of science and art. :blurpWhat's the meaning of life?
Are ghosts real?
If a tree falls in a forest and there's no one there to hear it, does it still make a sound?
WHAT'S YOUR POINT?
UndisputedUK
07-25-2007, 12:57 PM
What's the meaning of life?
Are ghosts real?
If a tree falls in a forest and there's no one there to hear it, does it still make a sound?
WHAT'S YOUR POINT?
My point is leave Rees alone. He's world champion! If Rees loses his next fight so what, everyone has already written him off.
Least he won't be a big name also ran who fell apart when they got the chance at a title.. care for some names?
How many hyped British fighters have lost at Euro and World level recently? Exposed.
Barry Jones also never got that much credit, but he won the WBO 130lb title and had the guts to fight Freitas, even dropping him.
I can see why people are so bitter towards the Welsh at the moment, with so much success here and so much failure recently in the rest of the UK principality.
stake501
07-25-2007, 01:09 PM
It has nothing to do with the fact he is Welsh. drop the chip off your shoulder
Steve Fox
07-25-2007, 01:27 PM
My point is leave Rees alone. He's world champion! If Rees loses his next fight so what, everyone has already written him off.
Least he won't be a big name also ran who fell apart when they got the chance at a title.. care for some names?
How many hyped British fighters have lost at Euro and World level recently? Exposed.
Barry Jones also never got that much credit, but he won the WBO 130lb title and had the guts to fight Freitas, even dropping him.
I can see why people are so bitter towards the Welsh at the moment, with so much success here and so much failure recently in the rest of the UK principality.He's world champion is he?
UndisputedUK
07-25-2007, 01:31 PM
Yes he is, WBA. I wonder if he will face Kotelnik the number 1 challenger?
Has Ricky Hatton ever faced a number one challenger?
Steve Fox
07-25-2007, 01:40 PM
Yes he is, WBA. I wonder if he will face Kotelnik the number 1 challenger?
Has Ricky Hatton ever faced a number one challenger?I don't much care for the form Hatton's career is taking for exactly the point you're making. He would beat seven shades out of the non-champion Rees though, despite what honest Frank says.
Yes he is, WBA. I wonder if he will face Kotelnik the number 1 challenger?
Has Ricky Hatton ever faced a number one challenger?
since beating tszyu he's been a little busy unifying titles, winning a title at a higher weight, coming back down to re-win titles, vacating titles, and then beating former p4p'r castillo.
i don't think he's ever had a straight defence of one of the 4 major belts yet.
UndisputedUK
07-25-2007, 02:31 PM
I don't much care for the form Hatton's career is taking for exactly the point you're making. He would beat seven shades out of the non-champion Rees though, despite what honest Frank says.
The little guy should be given some credit for winning the WBA World championship, when nearly everyone thought he would be slaughtered.
I hope he wins his next fight now.
Vantage_West
07-25-2007, 06:24 PM
since beating tszyu he's been a little busy unifying titles, winning a title at a higher weight, coming back down to re-win titles, vacating titles, and then beating former p4p'r castillo.
i don't think he's ever had a straight defence of one of the 4 major belts yet.:amen
Vantage_West
07-25-2007, 06:27 PM
The little guy should be given some credit for winning the WBA World championship, when nearly everyone thought he would be slaughtered.
I hope he wins his next fight now.he is very underexperience fighting peter buckley twice isnt a seller.
but to me he is a hearty guy with a big workrate(those mini combo's when he does those tysonesque left right left right were so quick) and he at a hieght which is so small he isnt in danger of a jab...people have to bend over to jab him.
Vantage_West
07-25-2007, 06:33 PM
i think....
frank had a stable of fighters and m'baye needed another challenger who wasnt much of a challenge. his record is padded and his fights at another wieght...not to mention his size.
gavin was a damn good sacrifice unbeaten, welsh support from calzaghe's camp, little experience. perfect...then he wins.
but even still frank has now got a younger flashier hearty world champion intead...it was a win win situation for frank...no fix just bad matching...and one that came back to bite him.
Fitir
07-25-2007, 06:55 PM
Acaries will be happy. The traitor is punished. ****** organized M'Baye's defeat. No sparring + promise of an automatic rematch in Senegal + "0 interest" weak challenger. ****** fired M'Baye who wasn't able to generate £££ and that's all. ****** had lost £££ in Kotelnik vs M'Baye 2.
It doesnt mean Rees is elite. This "victory" in one of the most ridiculous title fight I have ever seen means nothing. M'Baye didn't even try to use his jab and don't say it was because of Rees fantastic pressure/power/speed. Rees will be schooled by Kotelnik for example. Kotelnik is serious and he will be prepared. A focused M'Baye or Witter etc. are in his league but Rees isn't.
Does ****** plan to give the title to Khan in an optional defense ? I don't know but I hope Rees will enjoy his "title" cause he will lose it quickly.
PrideOfWales
07-25-2007, 07:28 PM
Acaries will be happy. The traitor is punished. ****** organized M'Baye's defeat. No sparring + promise of an automatic rematch in Senegal + "0 interest" weak challenger. ****** fired M'Baye who wasn't able to generate £££ and that's all. ****** had lost £££ in Kotelnik vs M'Baye 2.
It doesnt mean Rees is elite. This "victory" in one of the most ridiculous title fight I have ever seen means nothing. M'Baye didn't even try to use his jab and don't say it was because of Rees fantastic pressure/power/speed. Rees will be schooled by Kotelnik for example. Kotelnik is serious and he will be prepared. A focused M'Baye or Witter etc. are in his league but Rees isn't.
Does ****** plan to give the title to Khan in an optional defense ? I don't know but I hope Rees will enjoy his "title" cause he will lose it quickly.
I'm sure he will... whether you like it or not: boxing is more politics than sport and FW/Rees have played the game well. Rees beat M'Baye - all credit to him.
Boro chris
07-25-2007, 08:46 PM
Did you ever see Robin Reid against Sven Ottke?
The ref actually did not count a knockdown for Reid and in the same round deducted a point from him for nothing. At one point in this farce the Ref (was it Tillerman?) warned him for hitting Ottke.
Did you think that fight was a fix?
Rees won fair and square. He was ranked number 11 by the WBA. What I cannot get over is how quickly a champ gets the belt back after they have been exposed. Sturm, Klitschko etc.
Rocky was a complete no hoper when he fought Apollo Creed, but he won the rematch and did well in the first fight, was that a farce?
That was the most disgusting thing I've ever seen in a ring(barring one or two porn sites!) Tileman I believe is a judge now (god help us!)
If ever a fight was a fix that was it! But then Ottke always was an UTTER DISGRACE TO BOXING!
BoppaZoo
07-26-2007, 03:10 AM
all i know there were plenty of better boxers out there at 140 that deserved a shot more than Rees.
i feel for those guys and who might i be talking about well how about
Demetrious Hopkins
Kendall Holt
Juan Lazcano
Yet they give a shot to Rees. NO NO NO. what is our sport coming to.
Yes he did a great job to win but at 5 foot 3 how long will he really hold the title for.
Max Molyneux
07-26-2007, 04:56 AM
I loved the way Rees did Calzaghe showboating.
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