Jones - Calzaghe - Official

[onourway]

:patsch

Joke fight.

Jones is shot as said by Calzaghe, what a pointless fight. Should have happened years ago or not at all.

The hype will be vast though, because people will convince themselves that Jones actually has a chance.

[Bill Butcher]

Everybody has a chance in boxing but I feel not a very good chance if you are RJJ, JC will be a big fav in this 1.

It should have happened before RJJ fought Ruiz, when Roy was regarded as the No1 guy, I truly feel JC had a solid chance stylewise to beat a prime Jones although the USAbians will tell you thats bullshit because Joe isnt American.

Roy still carries that power but JC has always had an iron chin so I see a UD or late rds TKO in Calzaghe`s favour... fingers crossed anyway, c`mon Joe.

[JonOli]

It should have happened before RJJ fought Ruiz, when Roy was regarded as the No1 guy, I truly feel JC had a solid chance stylewise to beat a prime Jones although the USAbians will tell you thats bullshit because Joe isnt American.


Lets not talk about what could have beens. Joe now, if he wants, has the chance to fight a p4p prime top ten man. Once again... it's another what could have been.... to add to the list of what could have beens...

Even Calzaghe himself is on record saying the Jones fight is not worth taking.sic

[Betty Swollocks]

shite fight. Calzaghe was writing off Jones as shot and not worth it 2 years ago, now Jones is a 4 weight world champ and one of the best ever.
It reminds me a lot of Hatton dressing up all his bullshit opponents, as something real boxing fans know they are not.
The revisionism of Hatton fans also sees them now claim everyone had Tszyu in the top 3 p4p before that fight :patsch :lol: , pathetic.

[trotter]

shite fight. Calzaghe was writing off Jones as shot and not worth it 2 years ago, now Jones is a 4 weight world champ and one of the best ever.
It reminds me a lot of Hatton dressing up all his bullshit opponents, as something real boxing fans know they are not.
The revisionism of Hatton fans also sees them now claim everyone had Tszyu in the top 3 p4p before that fight :patsch :lol: , pathetic.

Where was Tszyu ranmked then? And let's not have your opinion, lets have some semblance of fact, seeing as you know everyone else to be wrong.

The Ring ratings mightn't be bad start (I genuinely don't know where he was ranked at the time by them).

Having said all that who cares about these semantics, he was clearly the man at 140, a modern great at the weight. If you dispute that, you are not worth arguing with.

If you don't dispute that, then I don't know what your point is really.

[brown bomber]

shite fight. Calzaghe was writing off Jones as shot and not worth it 2 years ago, now Jones is a 4 weight world champ and one of the best ever.
It reminds me a lot of Hatton dressing up all his bullshit opponents, as something real boxing fans know they are not.
The revisionism of Hatton fans also sees them now claim everyone had Tszyu in the top 3 p4p before that fight :patsch :lol: , pathetic. You've got a really weird obsession with Hatton... This thread has nothing to do with him but you still manage to have a pop.... Your not a jilted lover are you?

[brown bomber]

Name all the fighters in the world who were clearly better than Tszyu, there were not many.

Joe takes a joke fight. Surprise. One of the worst examples of a modern fighter chasing a phoney record, and he is proud of it. I agree Terry.... Pavlik represents a real threat and Jones is so shot its untrue. Personally thats the final nail in the coffin for my support of Calzaghe I hope Jones spanks him- he's no better then the bullies he encountered at school on this basis.

[D-MAC]

:patsch

Joke fight.

Jones is shot as said by Calzaghe, what a pointless fight. Should have happened years ago or not at all.

The hype will be vast though, because people will convince themselves that Jones actually has a chance.

Joe Public will undoubtedly buy into it.

[brown bomber]

We can't blame ****** anymore either, he is not holding Joe back, clearly Joe's lack of career development was his own choice. :good Points like that are what make you stand out as a sports writer. Spot on IMO.

[toffeejack]

Where's the link that says it's official?

[alba]

Where's the link that says it's official?

ive had a wee sketch and there are only rumours.stillnothing offcial in any fo the press etc .

[toffeejack]

ive had a wee sketch and there are only rumours.stillnothing offcial in any fo the press etc .

That's what I thought. Until I see an official announcement from Joe himself I'm not convinced this is happening on September 20th.

Unless he's been in secret training for a couple of weeks it seems too soon for me. Plus it's not much preparation for the fans that were planning to make a second trip to vegas in less than 6 months.

If this is true I would be surprised if more than half the amount of UK fans that went to the Hopkins fight make it for this one.

[D-MAC]

Joe has always been this way. When Jones was the best in the world, and only a weight above, Joe whinged about not getting a fight with anyone whilst saying he was tight at SMW but only talked about moving up when Jones was gone and Johnson was a title holder.

Luckily Lacy and Kessler actually wanted to control their division, a charge you could never level at Joe, and Joe grabbed the belts due to their willingness to fight. He finally jsutifies the waste of his career only to join the seniors circuit as a youngish man and fight novelty bouts.

He is a typical modern sportsman, much like David Beckham, who retired early to all extents. Like Beckham you may get the odd dickhead saying Joe is one of the best ever but the facts, less than a handful of competitive fights his whole career, speak for themselves.

We can't blame ****** anymore either, he is not holding Joe back, clearly Joe's lack of career development was his own choice. Joe should thank Christ his father persuaded him to go through with the Lacy fight.

Great post:good

[ishy]

Where's the link that says it's official?

ESPN are reporting it as official: [Only registered and activated users can see links]

[Tony Harrison]

Luckily Lacy and Kessler actually wanted to control their division, a charge you could never level at Joe, and Joe grabbed the belts due to their willingness to fight. He finally jsutifies the waste of his career only to join the seniors circuit as a youngish man and fight novelty bouts.

Interesting terminology. Calzaghe absolutely anihalated Lacey and won a hard fought contest against Kessler to unify yet you give hime zero credit and infact put it down entirely to Lacey and Kessler's 'willingness to fight'.

Both guys thought they would take Calzaghe out, they didn't come to Britian to hand their belts over.

I agree the Jones fight is a waste of time and JC should fight Pavlik, the fact JC has not had the calibre of career he potentially could have is also an indisputable fact. The Jones fight could be interesting though, Jones has slowed down but is no slouch.

[Tony Harrison]

I do give him credit for the wins, I actually said that he got the fights because of their willingness to come over and fight him, read my post again. If Lacy and Kessler has opted to not come over Joe would be fighting poor opponents still.

I keep hearing that Joe absolutely destroyed Lacy, yet he beat him on points and could only put him down right at the death. 1,000 punches is a landslide but, for me, annihilating someone means putting them out in a brutal fashion. Hitting someone a 1,000 times only for them to see the fight out is hardly reducing them to rubble. Yes Lacy looked poor since but may he was not ruined by Joe, maybe Lacy is poor full-stop.

Just because I am critical of Joe's phoney record (up there with Louis, do me a favour, Louis held a legitimate title, Joe has yet to defend his a single time) it does not equate to not giving him credit. I fully admit that after a near ten-years spent defending his WBO trinket (despite once giving an interview saying that a WBO title win would mean little) he pulled his finger out and became a Champion (by beating Kessler). Yet he is not defending his title and is instead going for the lazy option.

Joe's career grates but I'm not going to call him a great based on years of drift and wins over two guys who are very limited. Kessler still can barely throw a left off his, quality, 1-2. Kessler looked exactly the same as he always looked in his last fight, European gold but lacking in imagination.

Joe is a higher version of Valuev for me. Prune his record a bit and he clearly is not an all time great fighter.

I agree, had he fought Jones and Hopkins at a relevant junction and lost he would still have enhanced his reputation as a British great.

Incidentally I think he would have outpointed Hopkins at any stage but lost to prime or even remotely in the vicinity of prime Roy Jones.

Lacey is undoubtedly a lesser fighter post Calzaghe imo. I'm not saying he was an unstoppable wrecking machine before the fight by any means but he has looked more morose and pensive against decent (Tsypko) and very poor (Manfredo) opposition who I believe he would have knocked out prior to his dismantling against JC. You're right though, the lack of a knockout raises questions but he had hand problems going into the fight. Time will tell with Kessler. He is a dangerous fighter though who was simply bamboozled by Calzaghe's movement and rapid fire jabs.

I suppose I am a nuthugger in some people's book.

[Max Molyneux]

What a crappy match up.

I would prefer Pavlik to show how a threat Kelly really Is, Joe would make Pavlik look like an amateur as well.

[warrior85]

You've got a really weird obsession with Hatton... This thread has nothing to do with him but you still manage to have a pop.... Your not a jilted lover are you?



ive noticed that:good ,bit freaky innit:lol:

[Max Molyneux]

I keep hearing that Joe absolutely destroyed Lacy, yet he beat him on points and could only put him down right at the death. 1,000 punches is a landslide but, for me, annihilating someone means putting them out in a brutal fashion. Hitting someone a 1,000 times only for them to see the fight out is hardly reducing them to rubble. Yes Lacy looked poor since but may he was not ruined by Joe, maybe Lacy is poor full-stop.

Just because It went to points didn't mean he didn't destroy him. He undoubtly destroyed him.

His cuffing punches busted him up still but he's throwing so many that he's keeping them up on their feet while hurting them.

[alfonso]

do people really think this will be his last fight? its strange people are calling jones shot, yet he plans to fight on if he wins

[Max Molyneux]

A unified champion Is more than euro level, Kessler's not elite but he's a solid world class fighter and gave a better effort against Joe than likes of Pavlik would If Joe fought him.

[Max Molyneux]

Find It strange that Frank's suing Joe, yet had nothing bad to say In his article too.

Is Rafael full of shit sometimes?

[PrideOfWales]

I do give him credit for the wins, I actually said that he got the fights because of their willingness to come over and fight him, read my post again. If Lacy and Kessler has opted to not come over Joe would be fighting poor opponents still.

I keep hearing that Joe absolutely destroyed Lacy, yet he beat him on points and could only put him down right at the death. 1,000 punches is a landslide but, for me, annihilating someone means putting them out in a brutal fashion. Hitting someone a 1,000 times only for them to see the fight out is hardly reducing them to rubble. Yes Lacy looked poor since but may he was not ruined by Joe, maybe Lacy is poor full-stop.

Just because I am critical of Joe's phoney record (up there with Louis, do me a favour, Louis held a legitimate title, Joe has yet to defend his a single time) it does not equate to not giving him credit. I fully admit that after a near ten-years spent defending his WBO trinket (despite once giving an interview saying that a WBO title win would mean little) he pulled his finger out and became a Champion (by beating Kessler). Yet he is not defending his title and is instead going for the lazy option.

Joe's career grates but I'm not going to call him a great based on years of drift and wins over two guys who are very limited. Kessler still can barely throw a left off his, quality, 1-2. Kessler looked exactly the same as he always looked in his last fight, European gold but lacking in imagination.

Joe is a higher version of Valuev for me. Prune his record a bit and he clearly is not an all time great fighter.

I think this is a little harsh. Although I admit that his record isn't exactly littered with greats in their prime, he clearly was (I think it's fair to speak in the past tense now) a very good effective fighter. It is such a shame that he was never tested against the best opposition possible but as you pointed out, he hasn't chased the right people at the right time.

As a Calzaghe supporter for a long long time, I am hugely disappointed about him taking this fight - if I were him I would be massively embarrased after rubbishing RJJ for the last few years.

The only justification I can see from this is if he knows he has nothing left. This is a money fight for him, nothing more.

[Bodysnatcher]

Will this be on Setanta?

[mrbassie]

Might as well fight De La Hoya, this is another example of the kind of celebrity boxing that's come in in modern times. Money before glory every time

[mrbassie]

I suppose I am being harsh on Calzaghe but when you think that people on the Internet sit and pull apart the records of Ali, Robinson and Hagler (to name three) you can only think that Joe's record will get ripped apart when he goes.

The shame is he had the talent, he wasted his talent, and his hands if truth be told, hitting guys who brought little more to his career than a mark in his record. An ABA amateur who sat on a poor WBO title year in and year out. I just got bored of sitting down to his fights and watching the same lack of progression. The odd Mitchell type fight meant little, sure Joe may have beaten Ottke but he should have fought him anyway to prove it, they ended up fighting one anothers left overs and looking like idiots.

Both Joe and Hatton get a lot of stick, unjustified in some ways, but fighting a guy you have already derided for a huge wedge of cash and then telling people he is a bigger challenge than Pavlik is nonsense. Especially when the other guys gets hounded for fighting the best fighter in the world for a load of cash. Fess up that you want the cash, after a hard career doing piss all, and go out and fight the guy. Let the fans decide if they want to see it, most will, I will. It is extremely annoying, especially when you see Joe do well to bamboozle Kessler. He could have pushed on years ago.

well said

[ishy]

Will this be on Setanta?

Not sure yet. Calzaghe is a free agent and may decide to sell the rights to Sky as he may make more money from PPV sales. If it's not on Setanta then maybe we should demand our subscriptions back since they've been using the fact that the next Calzaghe fight will be on Setanta to gain customers. So if the Calzaghe fight ends up on Sky then surely that must go against the Trade Descriptions Act :D.

[gutto]

Typical Joe C fighting Jones. Im backing Jones to knock JC out. Even half a RJJ will be to much for JC

[onourway]

'I would never want to fight him now. He's not the same fighter and I'd have nothing to gain by beating a shadow of what he once was. Jones was a great fighter in his day and a great name, but he's been knocked out twice, knocked out cold. What would I have to gain by knocking him out for a third time?'.

:rofl

[TFFP]

Well Joe, you have an awful lot of $$$ to gain for such a gimme

Seems you have realised now :yep

[Max Molyneux]

Max talks shit about Calzaghe Volume 367: Joe cannot stop guys properly because he cuffs so hard they stay on their feet.

He resorted to hitting Manfredo on the back of the head with the underside of his glove whilst looking like a demented sheriff of Nottingham, his 'tache was the most interesting thing about that imported stoppage win, one Joe could still not turn into a KO :lol:

Manfredo hasn't been Ko'ed by anyone though anyway.

Cuffs still hurt, they don't knock anyone down, he throws one and then another comes to cuff them on the other side of the side, you'd have to be made of glass to go down.

Joe hit harder before the hand Injuries though.

You should know better than to say to your Liverpool rival that he talks shit.:bart

[Dunky McCafferty]

YES:happy

Joes finally did it, hes decided to fight RJJ as an 'easy' last fight!!!

Get in there.

[jc]

Typical Joe C fighting Jones. Im backing Jones to knock JC out. Even half a RJJ will be to much for JC

Hang on. Is Jones a good oponent or not? your picking RJ to win...but sklate Joe for taking him on, you cant have it both ways!

[jc]

'I would never want to fight him now. He's not the same fighter and I'd have nothing to gain by beating a shadow of what he once was. Jones was a great fighter in his day and a great name, but he's been knocked out twice, knocked out cold. What would I have to gain by knocking him out for a third time?'.

:rofl

dollars speak louder than any words...

[hitman_hatton1]

'I would never want to fight him now. He's not the same fighter and I'd have nothing to gain by beating a shadow of what he once was. Jones was a great fighter in his day and a great name, but he's been knocked out twice, knocked out cold. What would I have to gain by knocking him out for a third time?'.

:rofl

whoops. :patsch

i'm not as against the fight as some are.

although i accept jones is no longer the fighter he was.

i still think jones is a good fighter and therefore it's an acceptable fight.

just not the career definer at this stage that calzaghe should be looking for.

it's a better fight than hatton's fight with malignaggi anyway. :scaredas:

[GazOC]

I Calzaghe started chasing the big fights after his expensive divorce, he must have realized he only had so many opportunities to earn some money back.