ESB Classic Hall of Shame

[Sonny's jab]

I nominate :

Bruce Seldon
(for being a pussy and faking it against Tyson)

Tony Ayala Jr.
(he's a fuckin' sick fuck burglar/rapist for chrissakes !!!)

[My dinner with Conteh]

Danny McAlinden
Richard Dunn
Joe Bugner
Jack Bodell...


...for putting shame on the UK heavyweight secene during the 1970s.

[Nemesis]

Larry holmes for drop kicking Trevor Berbick, although in fairness it was quite funny

[bladerunner]

Panama Lewis for being a scumbag.

[Icemmann]

Larry holmes for drop kicking Trevor Berbick, although in fairness it was quite funny

Hey, what the hell was wrong with Holmes doing that off the limo?

It wasn't as if he was going to have a straight shot at running up to Berbick on the ground?


I'd be more pissed at Holmes taking crappy fights instead of taking the ones he knew fans wanted.


James Butler belongs on the list here, fro both his activilty inside and outside the ring.

[fists of fury]

Danny McAlinden
Richard Dunn
Joe Bugner
Jack Bodell...


...for putting shame on the UK heavyweight secene during the 1970s.

What about Brian London? And Phil Scott? (Although he boxed much earlier.)

I nominate Tyson, first and foremost. His activites outside the ring were shameful. A street thug in every sense of the word.
His sidekick, Don King, must get a mention. He may be the best promoter ever, but he's a fraud as a human being.

[fists of fury]

Oh yeah, Stanley Ketchell. Not the most pleasant of people by most accounts, and he shot at his manager for waking him up from a sleep. Got himself shot for messing around with Walter A. Dipley's wife.

Gerald McClellan for engaging in dog fights, an activity I despise.

[Nemesis]

Hey, what the hell was wrong with Holmes doing that off the limo?

It wasn't as if he was going to have a straight shot at running up to Berbick on the ground?


I'd be more pissed at Holmes taking crappy fights instead of taking the ones he knew fans wanted.


James Butler belongs on the list here, fro both his activilty inside and outside the ring.

It was during Homes second career (I think) and during one of his bouts Berbick was commentating and criticising the lacklustre performance of LH and after the fight Holmes took a swing at him and it progressed from their

[JohnThomas1]

It was during Homes second career (I think) and during one of his bouts Berbick was commentating and criticising the lacklustre performance of LH and after the fight Holmes took a swing at him and it progressed from their

Hmmmmm, might even be in his first career. Duo will know for sure.

[Icemmann]

It was during Homes second career (I think) and during one of his bouts Berbick was commentating and criticising the lacklustre performance of LH and after the fight Holmes took a swing at him and it progressed from their


m-XVCW95nHU:lol: :lol: :lol:

[JohnThomas1]

I think the vids got 1991 on it actually. Pity Larry didn't kick him harder the way he was carrying on. Not one to cross old Larry.

[Stewbear]

lol I dont like holmes but that is classic funny:D

[TBooze]

Danny McAlinden
Richard Dunn
Joe Bugner
Jack Bodell...


...for putting shame on the UK heavyweight secene during the 1970s.

Harsh....

It was not just the 70s; with the exception of the odd glorious defeat, British Heavies always sucked at World level in the 20th Century until Lennox came along.

[Sonny's jab]

I think the Holmes-Berbick episode wins Larry my eternal respect. It's funny as hell !
Remember, Holmes was 41 years old by this time !
A running jump and a frop kick off a limo ! Man, Chuck Norris and Van Damme only pretend to do this shit in the movies ! :yep

I cant remember what this was about, but I think perhaps Berbick had insulted or actly inappropriately towards a female friend of Larry's. Or am I well off the mark ?

[JohnThomas1]

I think the Holmes-Berbick episode wins Larry my eternal respect. It's funny as hell !
Remember, Holmes was 41 years old by this time !
A running jump and a frop kick off a limo ! Man, Chuck Norris and Van Damme only pretend to do this shit in the movies ! :yep

I cant remember what this was about, but I think perhaps Berbick had insulted or actly inappropriately towards a female friend of Larry's. Or am I well off the mark ?

You'd be right i reckon. Well done by Holmes, he had a genuine tough streak in him and was not one to cross i'd reckon. When the going gets tough the tough get going, and Holmes certainly got going when he had too.

[joe33]

Golata for throwing away twice the chance to beat bowe,and then every time i bigged him uo to win,against lewis,tyson and brewster he let me down by completly losing the plot.
Scott harrison for being a right nasty guy,drinking with his mates,fighting in bars and pubs all over the place,when he could have been a top fighter.
Naz Hamed for being a complete c**t,when if he had been humble and honest,he could have got most of the fight fans in the uk behind him,when instead of that every body including me laughed and cheered when Barrera beat him up,sad really to see him now,a seeminly (rich)sad bitter little man.

[Holmes' Jab]

Bruce Seldon, Joe Bugner, John Ruiz, Tony Tucker and Fraudley Harrison.

[Icemmann]

I elect Ray Mercer for getting his ass kicked by Kimbo Slice. What a bum

I don't see why. If Kimbo Slice beat Mercer in a boxing match it would be a different story.

But even then I would contribute it more to Ray's age then any exceptional ability on Kimbo's part.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Bernard Hopkins, for Crimes Against Entertainment.

[Holmes' Jab]

I forgot to mention Don King.

[Sonny's jab]

I've just been reminded that the Berbick-Holmes parking lot fight was due to Berbick's paranoid and bizarre accusations that Holmes was somehow involved in turning his (Berbick's) wife against him. Coming from a guy who often "heard voices" and told everyone his loss to Tyson was due to Don King pumping poison gas into his hotel room, I'm betting Holmes never even met Berbick's wife.

[Icemmann]

Bernard Hopkins, for Crimes Against Entertainment.

Theres plenty worse than Hopkins.

[bladerunner]

Mathew Hilton for being a sick bastard.

[Icemmann]

Mathew Hilton for being a sick bastard.

Thought Dave was the sick one. :huh

[My dinner with Conteh]

Well, boxing is a sport not entertainment.


Of course. And winning is what matters I suppose. But, in football, Brazil and Germany always won- but we all rate Brazil as the better team. Why? Because defensive strategy is always easier than attacking strategy. :good

[Drew101]

Trevor Berbick may deserve a mention in this category.
Tyson's already been mentioned, but, it's worth repeating.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Well, the defensive ones were the italians compared with them we germans were offensive wizards :D and in the last worldchampionships Germany was the most offensive playing team.
btw. i don´t rate Brasil as the better team but then i´m a little bit biased ;)

In the end everybody just looks on paper to compare resumes. Or do you watch the football worldchampionships of 1966 or so?



The German were marvellous in the last World Cup, a credit to the competition...for a change. :p


Re: 1966. We only won because we had home advantage...just like in 1974 when Holland were the better team. ;)

Home advantage is BIG...in every sport.

[Street Lethal]

I'd be more pissed at Holmes taking crappy fights instead of taking the ones he knew fans wanted.


No kidding. Holmes was a great fighter, but he should have faced more top contenders.

[Stewbear]

Mike Tyson as if anyone needed to say

[brooklyn1550]

Ike Ibeabuchi - Need I say more?

[Jack Dempsey]

Whoever thought it was a good idea to create the plethora of shitbag alphabet boxing 'organisations' their equally shit Captain Fantastic Buck Rogers like shitty belts and their so called 'champions'

[Jack Dempsey]

Larry holmes. His cowardice resulted in the IBF.

Well then fuck him too:D

[Jack Dempsey]

I got another one, the inventor of 'Interim' and 'Intercontinental' titles

[Mike T]

Monzon

[Decy]

I got another one, the inventor of 'Interim' and 'Intercontinental' titles

The real shit is whoever came up with Super Champion or Champion Emeritus that really stinks.Talking about stinks Corey gets a nod here aswell.

[Jack Dempsey]

Super champion is a million times worse than champion emeritus.

Explain to me 'Super Champion':huh

[Jack Dempsey]

It´s a WBA thing. If somebody unifies the WBA title with another major title he becomes the WBA Super Champion and the regular title is vacated. So we have 2 WBA champions at the same time, the Super Champion has to face the regular one in a 18th month period.

Oh christ, I remember now:patsch

Well I suppose its another way to bleed fighters for sanctioning fees:-(

[Duodenum]

Larry Holmes for the jockstrap putdown of Marciano. Duran for New Orleans. (Although he did screw Dong Key in the process, the fact remains that he deserved Malcolm Gordon's nickname, "The Eight Million Dollar Tanker.")

Bonehead Smith for not trying against Tyson, in a situation where he was sure to win by kayo if he did. (What underworld figure got into Smith's entourage?) Even Tyson said he shouldn't get paid.

Jose Sulamain, Gilberto Mendoza, and Bob Lee, for allowing the extinction of the 15 round limit, and all the sanctioning bodies which ruined boxing as a mainstream sport by going along with them.

SRL, for allowing the long unified World Middleweight Championship to splinter into pieces after decisioning Hagler over 12 rounds. Hagler, for accepting SRL's terms for their match, and then failing to preserve the unity of the MW Title by failing to take SRL out.

Riddickulous Bowe, for letting the Undisputed World Heavyweight Championship splinter by refusing to meet Lennox Lewis.


We shouldn't even be contemplating this issue. This is boxing after all, one of the slimiest enterprises in the history of human civilization. The task is too overwhelming and odious to contemplate.

[Titan1]

ray leonard-for various dubious actions.
Michael Spinks-fighting cooney
Don King- for enlonging the split of the heavyweight title for years.

[Bummy Davis]

Danny McAlinden
Richard Dunn
Joe Bugner
Jack Bodell...


...for putting shame on the UK heavyweight secene during the 1970s.




Dunn had a glass jaw but he tried to go after Ali, and Bugner gave Ali and Frazier good fights for a kid with out a real wordclass team, DMac and Bodell were Glass Jawed and they did shame U guys

[Zakman]

John Ruiz, for faking low blows in the Jimmy Thunder fight, the second Holyfield fights, and the Kirk Johnson fight - and for holding excessively in the rest of them.

It doesn't get much more shameful than a glorified clubfighter holding a title based on cheating and corruption!

[Titan1]

John Ruiz, for faking low blows in the Jimmy Thunder fight, the second Holyfield fights, and the Kirk Johnson fight - and for holding excessively in the rest of them.

It doesn't get much more shameful than a glorified clubfighter holding a title based on cheating and corruption!

Also for losing to Roy Jones Jr, and James Toney.After that second loss, he should've been shot.

[rekcutnevets]

I say this often, but I don't dislike any fighters. I only dislike certain actions.

Oscar de la Hoya

1. Not giving Pernell Whitaker a rematch. He then went on to fight David Kamau, who earned a shot by losing to Chavez at a lower rate; Hector Camacho, who had proven himself so greatly at welter; and Wilfredo Rivera, who recently lost to Whitaker; Patrick Charpentier, forgivable because he was a mandatory; Julio Cesar Chavez, too little too late.

2. Did not give Quartey a rematch after winning a disputed decison against him. In the post fight interview he even said something like "...you think it was a good fight, Larry. I don't think it was a good fight, Larry." It was the best fight he'd been in at that point in his career.

3. Has yet to make up for his robbery of Sturm. I understand not fighting him for his chance to go after Hopkins. At least promote a fight for him, and get him a decent pay day.

[Duodenum]

Smith was sure to win by kayo if he tried? this is more insane then harry greb losing to sanchez.Check out the closing seconds of round 12. It was Smith KO 10 Bruno all over again, except this time Smith really did wait too long. Tyson only survived because of the 12 round time limit which coddles pansies. Obviously, there was no possibility of Tyson hanging on through the legitimate championship distance. However, if Smith wasn't going to compete, he shouldn't have gotten paid. Buster Douglas finished the job which Smith could have and should have done a lot faster and more easily.

Foreman would have tossed little Mikey around like a rag doll, before sending him out of the ring in a coffin. Classic man versus little boy situation.

[Sonny's jab]

Check out the closing seconds of round 12. It was Smith KO 10 Bruno all over again, except this time Smith really did wait too long. Tyson only survived because of the 12 round time limit which coddles pansies. Obviously, there was no possibility of Tyson hanging on through the legitimate championship distance. However, if Smith wasn't going to compete, he shouldn't have gotten paid. Buster Douglas finished the job which Smith could have and should have done a lot faster and more easily.

Foreman would have tossed little Mikey around like a rag doll, before sending him out of the ring in a coffin. Classic man versus little boy situation.

I kind of agree.

Smith-Tyson was billed with the line, "Dont blink or you'll miss it!", and fireworks were expected.
Tyson was a solid favourite because he was at the height of his hype, and Smith was so erratic. But many felt Smith would score a KO, and most expected it to be a quick blazing fight whichever way it went.

But what do you think Smith's problem was ? Did he just freeze in the face of the much-hyped Tyson ? Was it sheer intimidation ?

I remember being disappointed by both Smith and Tyson that fight. Tyson showed he was prone to frustration and simply had no answer to the clinching, and really didn't do much himself. Smith just did nothing.

[Vantage_West]

Harsh....

It was not just the 70s; with the exception of the odd glorious defeat, British Heavies always sucked at World level in the 20th Century until Lennox came along.really
brian london - out boxed floyd patterson

'enry copper - knocked down ali and made dundee all types of tricks to save him.

joe bugner was a decent heavy he had a great fight with ali frazier and even when he was 40 odd years old was fighting bruno in a really compettative fight.


to say they were weak is true as julius francis wasnt amazing but men like sprott ,williams even skelton i feel should do alot at the eurpean stage and a have a decent crack at the world stage maybe not sprott but he could give some protected heavies a bad reputatoin

[Vantage_West]

I say this often, but I don't dislike any fighters. I only dislike certain actions.

Oscar de la Hoya

1. Not giving Pernell Whitaker a rematch. He then went on to fight David Kamau, who earned a shot by losing to Chavez at a lower rate; Hector Camacho, who had proven himself so greatly at welter; and Wilfredo Rivera, who recently lost to Whitaker; Patrick Charpentier, forgivable because he was a mandatory; Julio Cesar Chavez, too little too late.

2. Did not give Quartey a rematch after winning a disputed decison against him. In the post fight interview he even said something like "...you think it was a good fight, Larry. I don't think it was a good fight, Larry." It was the best fight he'd been in at that point in his career.

3. Has yet to make up for his robbery of Sturm. I understand not fighting him for his chance to go after Hopkins. At least promote a fight for him, and get him a decent pay day.
i have been saying this for years he is a politician not a boxer he picks his fights so well and does all these tricks to stay on his feet....and then smiles and says im going to knokc him out just to make every one think he is the real deal...6 wieght classes is very good amazing almost but his wins over people were very very dubios his only robbery was trinidad...thats it

[Duodenum]

But what do you think Smith's problem was ? Did he just freeze in the face of the much-hyped Tyson ? Was it sheer intimidation ?Immediately after Smith kayoed Frank Bruno, he was asked why he did nothing for the first nine rounds, and he simply replied that it was "Because I was tight!" To me, Smith/Tyson looked an awful lot like Smith/Bruno, except that in the case of Smith/Tyson James waited until the end of round 12 to get uncorked.

Bonecrusher Smith is one of the more frustrating cases in heavyweight history to me. At his very best, he was a big and very well conditioned fellow who could bomb an opponent out quickly, or maintain kayo power for as long as a match lasted. Larry Holmes took him on coming off the Bruno kayo, and may have been the only man in boxing who could have scored a stoppage over him at that high point in his career.

Although he did get the knockout against Bruno, Frank had done all the work up to that point, and it seems to me that referee Harry Gibbs could have tossed Smith out of the bout for not fighting by the time the tenth frame had rolled around. If you don't make an effort to compete, should you be given a chance to win? In Kinshasa, Ali gave Foreman seven rounds of hell before knocking him out. Yes, Muhammad was laying back on the ropes, but he was also zapping George with lightning bolt rights the whole time, hardly punching bag behavior.