Ricky Hatton DEMANDS Vegas for his ring return...

[Dunky McCafferty]

Hattons father Ray told SKY Sports:

"Rickys exact words were, 'Dad, the fans made me, so I want whats best financially for them."

So Hatton fans, happy travelling back to Vegas again to see him beat that non punching nobody Paulie Malignaggi by UD:lol:

Come on Hatton huggers, even you cant be taken in by Rickys latest ticket selling charm offensive, can you???

[JonOli]

It is a bit much I admit, I don't believe it. It's probably just his dad/promoter adding spin to the fight. Which is what promoters do; they promote the fight.

It is rather odd though that the fight was arranged for Las Vegas when everybody though it was near certainly to be Madison Square gardens. I've previosly read on here lots of comments saying why Las Vegas? Most Pauli's support is in NY, and he has fought over half his fights there.

At the end of the day though, Hattons not perfect; nobody thinks he is. Something like this said by his dad is hardly something worth going totally overboard about.

I much doubt what Ray Hatton says is the reason for the choice of LV venue, but I would like to have known why they chose Las Vegas over NY. Hatton in the past has stated he very much wanted to box at Madison sq'. Los Vegas did seem like an odd choice at the time.

Oh yea...

Pac at Wembley stadium, London, England; in front of 100, 000 still to come if Hatton wins this one.

[Betty Swollocks]

I sighed when I read that bollocks, but it's the same old routine with Hatton and his old man. The whole 'doing this and that for the fans' thing is cringeworthy.

[JonOli]

AN ARTICLE FROM THE DAILY TELEGRAPH ON IT
As Joe Calzaghe prepares in the next week to announce that Madison Square Garden will provide the backdrop for his swansong in the ring against Roy Jones Jnr, Ricky Hatton has opted against fighting at the boxing mecca in November.
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Apple in his eye: Joe Calzaghe will see his career out in New York City Unbeaten Calzaghe will defend The Ring Magazine light-heavyweight title (175lbs) against Jones on September 20. A source close to the Welsh fighter confirmed to The Telegraph yesterday that "it is 99 per cent certain" that the venue will stage the super-fight.
It is fitting that Calzaghe, 36, the world's longest reigning world champion - holder of the WBO super middleweight title for just short of 11 years - who is undefeated in 45 contests, should end his career in the Garden, scene of some of boxing's greatest encounters.
The September 20 date, known for some time, had been open to Calzaghe and Jones since Floyd Mayweather Jnr announced his sudden retirement last month, with Home Box Office, the American cable giants, having already scheduled that night for Mayweather's second encounter with Oscar De La Hoya as a pay-per-view event.
Calzaghe had stated publicly that he wanted to box again in front of 50,000 fans at the Millennium Stadium in Cardiff against Jones, yet HBO have insisted that their backing would only be given to a pay-per-view contest in the US.
The cable giants have never staged a pay-per-view event outside America - although that may change next year if Ricky Hatton meets Manny Pacquiao or DLH at Wembley Stadium.
Hatton, too, will head to the United States for his next contest, against Paulie Malignaggi, but to fight in Las Vegas on Nov 15 or 22. The Mancunian has decided against a New York bout in order to help cut the cost of a cross-Atlantic trip for his travelling fans.
Instead, Hatton will be on show at the MGM Grand Grand Arena, the site of his only career defeat - to Mayweather last December.
In an interview with Sky Sports, Hatton's father and promoter Ray said: "Although it would be great to top the bill at Madison Square Garden - even though he's only fought there once before - this is about the fans.
"His exact words were, 'Dad, the fans made me, so I want what's best financially for the fans. I want to make it more a price for them because it is near Christmas'. He's putting his weight behind Vegas because of the money the fans are going to save."

[trotter]

He is fighting in Vegas because it will pay better.

Ray Hatton has said exactly that in a previous interview.

Still, it's not worth everyone getting their panties in a bunch over it. But you will. Boring.

[Beeston Brawler]

It will work out better financially for someone.......

The fans will no doubt save £50 on the cost of going, but the grub and beer will no doubt cost more and then there are the casinos - so a few will get what works out as a free trip and the rest will lose a fortune.

I am a big Hatton fan but not going to be taken in by this, at all.

[BaronBrad]

I sighed when I read that bollocks, but it's the same old routine with Hatton and his old man. The whole 'doing this and that for the fans' thing is cringeworthy.

Agreed.

If he were doing it for the fans he'd fight Malignaggi in the UK. Or even fight someone half decent. Or do not charge hideous amounts of money for tickets.

The cost difference between NYC and Vegas is not that large. I actually think more fans were looking forward to going to NYC as a lot of them have not been there before so it would have been a new experience.

Personally, I have flown to America a number of times to see Hatton fight. I have decided not to do it anymore because he is started to bore me and when the make comments like these you just want to hit them.

I have a feeling that this fight will not be a sell out.

Lets hope Ricky gets more than 4,000 tickets allocated for this one. He complained like crazy last time out and then signs up for more of the same.

[trotter]

Agreed.

If he were doing it for the fans he'd fight Malignaggi in the UK. Or even fight someone half decent. Or do not charge hideous amounts of money for tickets.

The cost difference between NYC and Vegas is not that large. I actually think more fans were looking forward to going to NYC as a lot of them have not been there before so it would have been a new experience.

Personally, I have flown to America a number of times to see Hatton fight. I have decided not to do it anymore because he is started to bore me and when the make comments like these you just want to hit them.

I have a feeling that this fight will not be a sell out.

Lets hope Ricky gets more than 4,000 tickets allocated for this one. He complained like crazy last time out and then signs up for more of the same.

There are valid reasons to moan, petty in my opinion, but valid

However saying he's not fighting someone decent is a crock of shit

I doubt he has much say (if any) in the cost of tickets either

[Fat Joe]

I sighed when I read that bollocks, but it's the same old routine with Hatton and his old man. The whole 'doing this and that for the fans' thing is cringeworthy.

This kind of stuff is so easy to see through I wonder why Ray Hatton keeps saying it.

[robpalmer135]

Seriously I travel to the states at least 6 times a year, flights to New York are in genereal at least £100 cheaper than Vegas, and there are more cheaper hotels in New York than Vegas.

I cannot beleive nobody has jumped on this. Theres no way Hatton said the words "dad the fans made me, lets do whats best for them"

Mallignaggi by TKO by the way, you heard it hear first.

[UKFightFan]

However saying he's not fighting someone decent is a crock of shit



You're right, Malignaggi is a world beater :p

Other than being American and losing to Cotto, Paulie has not really done anything in his career to be classed as an above average paper world champion. I admit he is a world champion, but to put this into perspective, so was Gavin Rees.

[FLINT ISLAND]

The only one who has ever benefited finicially from all of Hattons fights are:

surprise surprise:

Hatton and his family: - Dad Ray, Mummy Hatton, Son Campbell, and he probaly throws his brother Matthew a few spare quid as well as there is no way he is making that much money out of his own boxing career.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££

The Hattons are secure for life - Ricky will retire at 32 years old with £50,000,000 in the bank.

Meanwhile the rest of you Hatton fights - keep struggling to pay the bills - try to keep up with your mortgage payments - and look forward to working when until you are 65 yrs old - so you can have a £100 pension a week.

Hatton will be on a crusie in the carribean - while you Hatton fan have a meeting with your debt solution manager.

Dont bother asking Ray Hatton to bail you out of debt - the millions are ONLY for him and his family - TO SECURE CAMPBELLS FUTURE WE NEED TO LOOK AFTER THESE MILLIONS.

Ricky tells crap jokes.
Eat fried breaksfats.
Drinks booze.
Pulls moonies at photographers.
Fakes love to the fans.
Puts a PR spin on everything.
And is a greedy money lover.

Not the kind of guy I am mug enough to worship as some ind of hero.

Fuck you Ray Hatton you greedy money hungry man - you have no concern for the finances of others only the millions more you seek to grab

[Betty Swollocks]

Agreed.

If he were doing it for the fans he'd fight Malignaggi in the UK. Or even fight someone half decent. Or do not charge hideous amounts of money for tickets.

The cost difference between NYC and Vegas is not that large. I actually think more fans were looking forward to going to NYC as a lot of them have not been there before so it would have been a new experience.

Personally, I have flown to America a number of times to see Hatton fight. I have decided not to do it anymore because he is started to bore me and when the make comments like these you just want to hit them.

I have a feeling that this fight will not be a sell out.

Lets hope Ricky gets more than 4,000 tickets allocated for this one. He complained like crazy last time out and then signs up for more of the same.

exactly.
and who is the guy making out Malignanggi is good?
He built his name in a beatdown LOSS to a drained Cotto. Most thought he got a gift against the solid but far from great Ngoujou and he just looked a clown in his last one against limited N'dou and scraped home.

The Hattons remind me of the Bush administration...it's in their own best interests to keep the idiots as dumbed down as possible so they can keep taking the piss out of them.
and besides.....how come a trip to Vegas is cheaper than NYC....is that even true? Even that might be factually incorrect.

[RichDam]

The only one who has ever benefited finicially from all of Hattons fights are:

surprise surprise:

Hatton and his family: - Dad Ray, Mummy Hatton, Son Campbell, and he probaly throws his brother Matthew a few spare quid as well as there is no way he is making that much money out of his own boxing career.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££

The Hattons are secure for life - Ricky will retire at 32 years old with £50,000,000 in the bank.

Meanwhile the rest of you Hatton fights - keep struggling to pay the bills - try to keep up with your mortgage payments - and look forward to working when until you are 65 yrs old - so you can have a £100 pension a week.

Hatton will be on a crusie in the carribean - while you Hatton fan have a meeting with your debt solution manager.

Dont bother asking Ray Hatton to bail you out of debt - the millions are ONLY for him and his family - TO SECURE CAMPBELLS FUTURE WE NEED TO LOOK AFTER THESE MILLIONS.

Ricky tells crap jokes.
Eat fried breaksfats.
Drinks booze.
Pulls moonies at photographers.
Fakes love to the fans.
Puts a PR spin on everything.
And is a greedy money lover.

Not the kind of guy I am mug enough to worship as some ind of hero.

Fuck you Ray Hatton you greedy money hungry man - you have no concern for the finances of others only the millions more you seek to grab


Boxing is like any other business. If someone told me I could get more money for doing a job in America I would be over there in a flash. I don't know how you can call him a greed money lover.

[ron u.k.]

never..a fighter who wants to make as much money as possible,well that's never happened before:patsch
anyway wherever the fight takes place,he's going to get beat,although generally dissed on here malignaggi has enough about him to out hustle hatton over the stretch,he might even stop him late.you heard it here 2nd.:good

[FLINT ISLAND]

Boxing is like any other business. If someone told me I could get more money for doing a job in America I would be over there in a flash. I don't know how you can call him a greed money lover.

I'm not begrudging anyone making money in itself

If I had the oppurtunity to earn £5,000,000 I would take it

Its the way Ray and Ricky Hatton go about it and have gone about it their whole career - they take the piss out of people

Like Hatton said after the Mayweather knockout

"It's never been about the money for Ricky Hatton":lol:

He had that mascot - the disabled boy.

He always puts a PR spin on things

But I don't believe Hatton is the all nice guy the fans buy into

But I am just saying how I feel

If thousands of other people want to pay their money to follow Ricky then it's their choice

I myself personally would feel a mug if I was too do this

[RichDam]

I think you are being a bit harsh about James Bowes, who has been with Ricky since the start. Every sportsman uses PR to a certain extent. I think you probably need to meet the guy before you judge him.

[FLINT ISLAND]

I don't begrudge people making money

But here is a example of a CUNT making money

My brother went into a kebab shop in Mumbles and asked for a Kebab and a can of coke and he paid his £4.80 and waited for his food to be prepared...........5 mins later he got his food but the bloke conviently forgot to hand over his can of coke.....lets not give te guy the benefit of the doubt here because they do it all the time...........my brother then had to remind him to give him his can........he was hoping my brother would forget about the can so he could make that extra 60p and still keep his can in the fridge........thats what a CUNT is making money conning people

That I call a CUNT and begrudge how they go about making money

[Fat Joe]

Ricky eats fried breaksfats.


Nothing wrong with that.

[FLINT ISLAND]

I think you are being a bit harsh about James Bowes, who has been with Ricky since the start. Every sportsman uses PR to a certain extent. I think you probably need to meet the guy before you judge him.

I got nothing against the boy whatosever - he had real disabilitys - and I think unless I am mistaken he has died since - which is very sad.

But it's more to do with Hatton using some disabled boy to make himself look good like all round nice guy

Plenty of successful people help people less fortunate and sick people but none I have seen flaunt it so openly like a PR stunt

[ron u.k.]

I got nothing against the boy whatosever - he had real disabilitys - and I think unless I am mistaken he has died since - which is very sad.

But it's more to do with Hatton using some disabled boy to make himself look good like all round nice guy

Plenty of successful people help people less fortunate and sick people but none I have seen flaunt it so openly like a PR stunthatton had that kid with him from very early in his career.why do you think the worst of him on this issue? so you just couldn't believe he was genuine?

[Max Molyneux]

Hattons father Ray told SKY Sports:

"Rickys exact words were, 'Dad, the fans made me, so I want whats best financially for them."

So Hatton fans, happy travelling back to Vegas again to see him beat that non punching nobody Paulie Malignaggi by UD:lol:

Come on Hatton huggers, even you cant be taken in by Rickys latest ticket selling charm offensive, can you???

How Is It better financially for the fans In Vegas when It's full of casinos, bars and other entertainment to take your money?

[GazOC]

I sighed when I read that bollocks, but it's the same old routine with Hatton and his old man. The whole 'doing this and that for the fans' thing is cringeworthy.

Thats a coincidence, I sighed when I saw you had posted in this thread.;)

[GazOC]

I got nothing against the boy whatosever - he had real disabilitys - and I think unless I am mistaken he has died since - which is very sad.

But it's more to do with Hatton using some disabled boy to make himself look good like all round nice guy

Plenty of successful people help people less fortunate and sick people but none I have seen flaunt it so openly like a PR stunt

IIRC he is still alive, he just can't fly due to his disability. If we're going to have a pop at Hatton for his relationship with this kid then thats says it all about some peoples attitude...

[FLINT ISLAND]

hatton had that kid with him from very early in his career.why do you think the worst of him on this issue? so you just couldn't believe he was genuine?

Maybe he did care for the boy?

But whats that got to do with having him in the ring every fight with all his belts?

Some might see it as a kind gesture - and to the boy it was which is good for him.

But I just feel Hatton used that and other things to build up a particular image he wanted to portray

Thats part of the reason I dislike Hatton - he says things and wants to portray a image where he loves the fans and it's not about money - but I don't believe him - its the other way round - its all about money and just play the right kind of game to keep the fans onside for the ride and get them to all cough up their money

Everyone can see Hatton is not geniune just from the way he has ducked Junior Witter

[phonk]

How Is It better financially for the fans In Vegas when It's full of casinos, bars and other entertainment to take your money?


The difference in airfare between New York and Vegas is fairly negliagible. New York however is far, far more expensive for hotels than Vegas. You'd be hard pushed to find a Manhattan hotel for anything less than $200 per night.

You can get a room in one of the cheap On-Strip Vegas hotels for $60 a night [try Circus Cirucs, Excalibur]

The 'problem' with Vegas is that once you get there all you want to do is spend spend spend.

[FLINT ISLAND]

IIRC he is still alive, he just can't fly due to his disability. If we're going to have a pop at Hatton for his relationship with this kid then thats says it all about some peoples attitude...

Its good to hear he has not died - I must have mixed it up with someone else who died. But I can't think who?

[ron u.k.]

Maybe he did care for the boy?

But whats that got to do with having him in the ring every fight with all his belts?

Some might see it as a kind gesture - and to the boy it was which is good for him.

But I just feel Hatton used that and other things to build up a particular image he wanted to portray

Thats part of the reason I dislike Hatton - he says things and wants to portray a image where he loves the fans and it's not about money - but I don't believe him - its the other way round - its all about money and just play the right kind of game to keep the fans onside for the ride and get them to all cough up their money

Everyone can see Hatton is not geniune just from the way he has ducked Junior Witteryour just another cynical c***. anyway he "genuinely" ducked witter.

[Max Molyneux]

The difference in airfare between New York and Vegas is fairly negliagible. New York however is far, far more expensive for hotels than Vegas. You'd be hard pushed to find a Manhattan hotel for anything less than $200 per night.

You can get a room in one of the cheap On-Strip Vegas hotels for $60 a night [try Circus Cirucs, Excalibur]

The 'problem' with Vegas is that once you get there all you want to do is spend spend spend.

If your going to spend spend spend In Vegas though won't It cost more than NY In the end then since you'd be more spend careful In a more expensive place like NY?

[FLINT ISLAND]

your just another cynical c***. anyway he "genuinely" ducked witter.

Hatton is cynical - plotting how the figures add up before every fight - then pretending to the cameras its all about the fans and the glory

[FLINT ISLAND]

James Bowers is not a PR thing as far as I can see. If Hatton really wanted to crack that angle he would sponsor a black, blind, female crack baby. The kid is local to him and they struck up a rapport prior to the success. Hatton is rich enough to throw some money in the kids direction if he wanted to but is pro-active with the guy and gives him a lot of confidence to overcome his problems. This is better than giving him money and bragging about it in the press, as most people would do.

A bit of a low-blow in my opinion.

Thing is I am not having a go at James Bowers - he is a young kid who has had a difficult life.

I just feel Hatton made a show of it all - "look how nice a guy I am too befriend a young kid like this - I got a heart of gold ain't I"

[robpalmer135]

I don't begrudge people making money

But here is a example of a CUNT making money

My brother went into a kebab shop in Mumbles and asked for a Kebab and a can of coke and he paid his £4.80 and waited for his food to be prepared...........5 mins later he got his food but the bloke conviently forgot to hand over his can of coke.....lets not give te guy the benefit of the doubt here because they do it all the time...........my brother then had to remind him to give him his can........he was hoping my brother would forget about the can so he could make that extra 60p and still keep his can in the fridge........thats what a CUNT is making money conning people

That I call a CUNT and begrudge how they go about making money


I almost chocked on my sandwhich reading this story, is this really the most anyone has tried to rip you off LOL.


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[hitman_hatton1]

James Bowers is not a PR thing as far as I can see. If Hatton really wanted to crack that angle he would sponsor a black, blind, female crack baby. The kid is local to him and they struck up a rapport prior to the success. Hatton is rich enough to throw some money in the kids direction if he wanted to but is pro-active with the guy and gives him a lot of confidence to overcome his problems. This is better than giving him money and bragging about it in the press, as most people would do.

A bit of a low-blow in my opinion.

very low. :bart

when hatton's gone we got amir khan.

just remember that. :yep

[ron u.k.]

Hatton is cynical - plotting how the figures add up before every fight - then pretending to the cameras its all about the fans and the gloryi don't buy all the over the top mr nice guy boy next door routine either.however i believe he is a good kid,i've shared a room with him in my home town at a talk in and nothing was too much trouble for the man,he came across as totally genuine,nothing put on or false at all.

[Max Molyneux]

Then I hope Khan's good enough by then.

[FLINT ISLAND]

i don't buy all the over the top mr nice guy boy next door routine either.however i believe he is a good kid,i've shared a room with him in my home town at a talk in and nothing was too much trouble for the man,he came across as totally genuine,nothing put on or false at all.

I'm not saying he is a monster or anything like that

But I think not only me but lots of other people can see he puts a PR spin on everything like a Politician

[FLINT ISLAND]

I almost chocked on my sandwhich reading this story, is this really the most anyone has tried to rip you off LOL.


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Its the principle of it

The intent behind it

If he tried to rip you off for 60p he would try to rip you off for £60,000 if he had the chance too

Thats what I call a CUNT

[ron u.k.]

he's no worse than calzaghe having his pension fight against a has been.

[FLINT ISLAND]

he's no worse than calzaghe having his pension fight against a has been.

agreed

My admiration for Calzaghe has fallen considerably by cashing in fighting a shot fighting but still trading off his name

Why didnt Calzaghe fight Roy Jones say 2000?

Cos he would have got beat by a exceptional fighter.

Now he can claim Roy Jones name on his record for his legacy but we all know it's just in name.

I started a thread called: Calzaghe........ Greedy Like All The Rest

Cos I thought he would see his career out with ****** now but he couldnt resist going the same way as Naz and Hatton and cashing in big time

Morally speaking Calzaghe desrves to lose this fight because

#He is fighting a shot fighter in what he thinks is a safe option
to preserve his perfect unbeaten record

#He has burnt bridges with ****** and Sports Network just to
fill his boots and cash in as much as he can for his pension even
though he is already a mulit millionaire

Lets hope Roy Jones digs up one last good performance from somewhere and outbox's Calzaghe and ruins that perfect record

[TFFP]

A[Only registered and activated users can see links] he's such a down to earth guy. Just one of the lads.

[Doyley10]

Seriously I travel to the states at least 6 times a year, flights to New York are in genereal at least £100 cheaper than Vegas, and there are more cheaper hotels in New York than Vegas.



I would have to beg to differ on the latter statement. Hotels in NYC cost a shit load more than in Vegas. The £100 flight price difference is correct though.

[brown bomber]

90% of you whining babies won't be going so stop whinging. Chist is it really such a bad thing he wants to secure is families future... or would you prefer it if he detoriated into a Scott Harrison type mentalist?

[Max Molyneux]

90% of you whining babies won't be going so stop whinging. Chist is it really such a bad thing he wants to secure is families future... or would you prefer it if he detoriated into a Scott Harrison type mentalist?

He's well already secured his families future even before he challenged Tszyu though. How many more millions doe he need?

Wouldn't be bothered If he was like Harrison as long as he had a decent ring career.

[brown bomber]

He's well already secured his families future even before he challenged Tszyu though. How many more millions doe he need?

Wouldn't be bothered If he was like Harrison as long as he had a decent ring career.:lol: Yeah right..

[GazOC]

He's well already secured his families future even before he challenged Tszyu though. How many more millions doe he need?

Wouldn't be bothered If he was like Harrison as long as he had a decent ring career.

I don't buy that "he's got enough" argument for any fighter, they are entitled to try and earn as much as possible.

[Max Molyneux]

I don't buy that "he's got enough" argument for any fighter, they are entitled to try and earn as much as possible.

He's enititled to earn more but he Is still secure and doesn't need more.

[GazOC]

Having been to both I prefered Vegas to MSG.

[GazOC]

He's enititled to earn more but he Is still secure and doesn't need more.

I earn more money than I strictly 'need' but I don't plan on going in to see my boss and asking for a pay cut anytime soon.

[D-MAC]

I earn more money than I strictly 'need' but I don't plan on going in to see my boss and asking for a pay cut anytime soon.

Ah go on, it would be a laugh.

Just imagine the different stages he would go through....:roll: shit, not this guy again....:shock: whoa, what did he just say...:nut shit, he must be a loon...:twisted: I wonder if he's taking the piss; that would make me so angry...:think No, I actually think he's serious...:p He is serious...:thumbsup Yippee....:D More money for me..."Just sign here Gaz, and I'll get the ball rolling":deal


Gaz soon regains normal functioning brain activity...:( ....:twisted: ....:admin ....:|

[ron u.k.]

a load of hypocrisy oh here.of course most of our posters wouldn't chase the money and extract as much out of the game as they can.i mean it's a new phenomenon fighters wanting as much as they can get while they've still got big earning power,and are the one's who have to go in there and take the blows.but there again it's hatton isn't it?

[trotter]

You're right, Malignaggi is a world beater :p

Other than being American and losing to Cotto, Paulie has not really done anything in his career to be classed as an above average paper world champion. I admit he is a world champion, but to put this into perspective, so was Gavin Rees.

I was referring to someone saying he 'wasn't even half decent'

He's the no.2 in the division behind Hatton

[john b]

I'm gutted its not in Newyork but I will happily fly over to Vegas because I had a good time in Vegas for the castillo fight.Slagging him off for going for money is a bit rich because if you had a talent wouldn't you want to get paid for it, and I mean well.

[trotter]

agreed

My admiration for Calzaghe has fallen considerably by cashing in fighting a shot fighting but still trading off his name

Why didnt Calzaghe fight Roy Jones say 2000?

Cos he would have got beat by a exceptional fighter.

Now he can claim Roy Jones name on his record for his legacy but we all know it's just in name.

I started a thread called: Calzaghe........ Greedy Like All The Rest

Cos I thought he would see his career out with ****** now but he couldnt resist going the same way as Naz and Hatton and cashing in big time

Morally speaking Calzaghe desrves to lose this fight because

#He is fighting a shot fighter in what he thinks is a safe option
to preserve his perfect unbeaten record

#He has burnt bridges with ****** and Sports Network just to
fill his boots and cash in as much as he can for his pension even
though he is already a mulit millionaire

Lets hope Roy Jones digs up one last good performance from somewhere and outbox's Calzaghe and ruins that perfect record

Jesus christ, shut up man

Are you smoking crack between posts?

[Brummy1976]

never..a fighter who wants to make as much money as possible,well that's never happened before:patsch
anyway wherever the fight takes place,he's going to get beat,although generally dissed on here malignaggi has enough about him to out hustle hatton over the stretch,he might even stop him late.you heard it here 2nd.:good There is'nt a top light welter i'd feel comfortable putting hatton in with now and him coming out the other end with a W.He's just going throught the motions now, making his money.I also think malignaggi beats hatton.People say his nerves got in the way v's lazcano, Bollox, he's sliding, and quick !

[Brummy1976]

agreed

My admiration for Calzaghe has fallen considerably by cashing in fighting a shot fighting but still trading off his name

Why didnt Calzaghe fight Roy Jones say 2000?

Cos he would have got beat by a exceptional fighter.

Now he can claim Roy Jones name on his record for his legacy but we all know it's just in name.

I started a thread called: Calzaghe........ Greedy Like All The Rest

Cos I thought he would see his career out with ****** now but he couldnt resist going the same way as Naz and Hatton and cashing in big time

Morally speaking Calzaghe desrves to lose this fight because

#He is fighting a shot fighter in what he thinks is a safe option
to preserve his perfect unbeaten record

#He has burnt bridges with ****** and Sports Network just to
fill his boots and cash in as much as he can for his pension even
though he is already a mulit millionaire

Lets hope Roy Jones digs up one last good performance from somewhere and outbox's Calzaghe and ruins that perfect recordAgreed.I also think ****** genuinely liked calzaghe(business aside) and see joe being the greedy one.Calzaghe and hatton have robbed us of some good fights, not imo the promoter.

[Brummy1976]

agreed

My admiration for Calzaghe has fallen considerably by cashing in fighting a shot fighting but still trading off his name

Why didnt Calzaghe fight Roy Jones say 2000?

Cos he would have got beat by a exceptional fighter.

Now he can claim Roy Jones name on his record for his legacy but we all know it's just in name.

I started a thread called: Calzaghe........ Greedy Like All The Rest

Cos I thought he would see his career out with ****** now but he couldnt resist going the same way as Naz and Hatton and cashing in big time

Morally speaking Calzaghe desrves to lose this fight because

#He is fighting a shot fighter in what he thinks is a safe option
to preserve his perfect unbeaten record

#He has burnt bridges with ****** and Sports Network just to
fill his boots and cash in as much as he can for his pension even
though he is already a mulit millionaire

Lets hope Roy Jones digs up one last good performance from somewhere and outbox's Calzaghe and ruins that perfect recordI think this is more risky for joe than people think.

[trotter]

Agreed.I also think ****** genuinely liked calzaghe(business aside) and see joe being the greedy one.Calzaghe and hatton have robbed us of some good fights, not imo the promoter.

Indeed

Calzaghe and Hatton definitely always fought top competition under ****** didn't they... ermmmm

[GazOC]

Agreed.I also think ****** genuinely liked calzaghe(business aside) and see joe being the greedy one.Calzaghe and hatton have robbed us of some good fights, not imo the promoter.

I'd suggest you look at Hattons opponents while he was with ****** and his opponents after he left ******. While he was with ****** the Zoo fight stands out but that only got made because Hatton threatened to leave ****** if he didn't get him the fight.

[Doyley10]

I'm gutted its not in Newyork but I will happily fly over to Vegas because I had a good time in Vegas for the castillo fight.Slagging him off for going for money is a bit rich because if you had a talent wouldn't you want to get paid for it, and I mean well.


Give me a shouut when the dates are firmed up and I'll have a look at some prices for you if you like. (I'm a travel agant, not a gay stalker in case you were worried. Stuey will vouch for my bargain finding credentials:D )

[Brummy1976]

I'd suggest you look at Hattons opponents while he was with ****** and his opponents after he left ******. While he was with ****** the Zoo fight stands out but that only got made because Hatton threatened to leave ****** if he didn't get him the fight.Dont need to, he did'nt have one fight with ****** after beating tsyzu.Be realistic, the fighters would've gone up a level after beating tsyzu, with or without ******.Witter is the fighter that makes hatton look full of shit, why did'nt he fight him when he left ******?????Dont give the reason hatton gave, it's truely tiring and a little feeble now.

[Jack]

People are always quick to have a go at Malignaggi, but he is superior to Witter, which is a fight people really wanted to see. It's easy to look at some of his fights and point out his faults, but Witter would be an easier night for Hatton.

If Paulie does lose to Hatton, a good, sensible match-up would be between him and Witter. If that does happen, expect Malignaggi to school him.

[Brummy1976]

Indeed

Calzaghe and Hatton definitely always fought top competition under ****** didn't they... ermmmm calzaghe pulled out of probably the toughest challenge out there in glen johnson, he'd of gave joe a rough time (styles imo), citing hand problems.That fight was made.As for hatton, he avoided witter(which is pretty much fact to everyone) and people still blame ******(fools) years later. That fight would've been huge over here, ricky would've made millions.I dont want to give him a payday ! WHAT? Did'nt fighters used to want to fight someone when they called em out and abused them in public ??? I dont care how much ricky makes or where he fights.Just dont make out its for the fans bullshit.......

[GazOC]

Dont need to, he did'nt have one fight with ****** after beating tsyzu.Be realistic, the fighters would've gone up a level after beating tsyzu, with or without ******.Witter is the fighter that makes hatton look full of shit, why did'nt he fight him when he left ******?????Dont give the reason hatton gave, it's truely tiring and a little feeble now.
He was fighting in the States and Witter couldn't draw flies to a dump over there. If you assume that Hatton and Witter hate each other, who's laughing now? Hattons earning millions and Witters 35 years old with no title and looking for Euro level fights. Hatton must be pissing himself laughing, the situation panned out pretty well for him.

Youre saying that Hatton robbed us over some big fights after he left ****** but then only come up with Witter.

[john b]

People are always quick to have a go at Malignaggi, but he is superior to Witter, which is a fight people really wanted to see. It's easy to look at some of his fights and point out his faults, but Witter would be an easier night for Hatton.

If Paulie does lose to Hatton, a good, sensible match-up would be between him and Witter. If that does happen, expect Malignaggi to school him.

But if hatton beats mallinaggi, the haters will be their oh mallinaggi was never the fighter he was hyped up.

[Brummy1976]

People are always quick to have a go at Malignaggi, but he is superior to Witter, which is a fight people really wanted to see. It's easy to look at some of his fights and point out his faults, but Witter would be an easier night for Hatton.

If Paulie does lose to Hatton, a good, sensible match-up would be between him and Witter. If that does happen, expect Malignaggi to school him.Superior technique agreed, he dont punch half as hard as witter though.There lies the problem.Witter could spark ricky, where as malignaggi would be just awkward

[JonOli]

As far as pauli goes he's the no1 contender and 140 and a great fight imo. Hatton can't do anymore then fight the no 1 man.


Ray said: "Although it would be great to top the bill at Madison Square Garden - even though he's only fought there once before - this is about the fans.
"His exact words were, 'Dad, the fans made me, so I want what's best financially for the fans. I want to make it more a price for them because it is near Christmas'. He's putting his weight behind Vegas because of the money the fans are going to save."

Looking at this again, what Ray Hatton says might actually be the truth. The fight is around November the 22 which is Thanksgiving Day in the states. Prices for New York accommodation, flights etc around this time will be absolutely astronomical, it's a bigger day then Christmas day for the Americans and marks the start of the Christmas holiday period. Las Vegas is not a popular destination at this time and prices are remarkably cheaper.



But then again I'm really not sure if I believe it, but I really don't think its a huge issue.

[Brummy1976]

He was fighting in the States and Witter couldn't draw flies to a dump over there. If you assume that Hatton and Witter hate each other, who's laughing now? Hattons earning millions and Witters 35 years old with no title and looking for Euro level fights. Hatton must be pissing himself laughing, the situation panned out pretty well for him.

Youre saying that Hatton robbed us over some big fights after he left ****** but then only come up with Witter.So would you agree that hatton robbed us of the witter fight ?

[Doyley10]

As far as pauli goes he's the no1 condender and 140 and a great fight imo. Hatton can't do anymore then fight the no 1 man.




Looking at this again, what Ray Hatton says might actually be the truth. The fight is on November the 22 which is Thanksgiving Day in the states. Prices for New York accommodation, flights etc around this time will be absolutely astronomical, it's a bigger day then Christmas day for the Americans and marks the start of the Christmas holiday period. Las Vegas is not a popular destination at this time.

Either Hatton has done it because he thinks he can get more fans over to Las Vegas because of the cost, or he actually is concerned about the cost to the fans who will follow him anywhere anyway.

Thanksgiving is actually Nov 27th this year, but you are kind of correct. Thh hotel prices in NYC at that time are year are little short of rape because of all the Xmas shopping trips. Vegas, which is about one third of the cost for acommodation most of the time will seem like an even better deal comparitively.

[GazOC]

So would you agree that hatton robbed us of the witter fight ?

In the sense that he didn't happen then I suppose he did. I can't say I'm that bothered though, it would have been a good fight pre-Zoo to clear up the domestic scene but after Zoo Hattons career didn't need Witter and his level of competition has been good enough to excuse the fight not happening. Theres only really Lascano (tune up) and Urango that you'd really want to swap out for Witter, the rest are a pretty solid bunch of opponents.

[GazOC]

Thanksgiving is actually Nov 27th this year, but you are kind of correct. Thh hotel prices in NYC at that time are year are little short of rape because of all the Xmas shopping trips. Vegas, which is about one third of the cost for acommodation most of the time will seem like an even better deal comparitively.

The only problem with Vegas is that the flights a bit of a killer compared to NYC.

[JonOli]

Yea, sorry the fight is in the Thanks Giving week isn't it, as thanks giving is always on a Thursday; the fights on Saturday. Los Vegas is not a destination people generally go at this time. New York will be absolutely chocca! The cost of NY accomodation will be insane at this time.

[JonOli]

In the sense that he didn't happen then I suppose he did. I can't say I'm that bothered though, it would have been a good fight pre-Zoo to clear up the domestic scene but after Zoo Hattons career didn't need Witter and his level of competition has been good enough to excuse the fight not happening. Theres only really Lascano (tune up) and Urango that you'd really want to swap out for Witter, the rest are a pretty solid bunch of opponents.

I agree.

The Lazcano fight was one of Hattons most enjoyable ones, and Urango is increasingly lookin like a good vicory. He's now ring top ten contender, and shifting up the rankings.

Yea pre Zoo, it would have been a great fight, or perhaps later on, should Hattons career take a turn.

Personally I'm not overly bothered about not seeing the fight; with there styles it probably would have been a bit of a stinker in all honesty.

[Doyley10]

The only problem with Vegas is that the flights a bit of a killer compared to NYC.

About an extra £100pp. You can stay in Vegas in a 3* on the strip based on two people sharing for £20 a night, whereas NYC will cost you £100 a night for a crap hole.

A week in Vegas will cost you the same as a weekend in NYC.

[Betty Swollocks]

The Hatton zealots are once again (conveniently?) missing the point. Nobody is criticising him for looking for the biggest paydays....that's human nature....it's all this shite, spin and outright lies about the reasons for his decisions etc.
by doing all this they know damn well the mugs will be thinking 'oh Ricky is doing this for us, we have to go to Vegas now'. I almost pity the fools who lap it all up.
as for the handicapped lad James, I don't criticise Hatton for that. I'm sure he's always been nice to the boy and at worst it's a small PR stunt having him in the ring etc, and a PR stunt is nothing new.

wait and see how they build up Paulie :roll:

[GazOC]

Don't be so childish Betty, people can make their own minds up whether they fancy going to Vegas and Hatton saying he's doing it because its cheaper won't make one bit of difference. You either have the time, money and fancy the trip or you don't....

[GazOC]

About an extra £100pp. You can stay in Vegas in a 3* on the strip based on two people sharing for £20 a night, whereas NYC will cost you £100 a night for a crap hole.

A week in Vegas will cost you the same as a weekend in NYC.

Sorry, I meant the time it takes. I was fucked when I got there last time!!

[rochsolloch]

Dont need to, he did'nt have one fight with ****** after beating tsyzu.Be realistic, the fighters would've gone up a level after beating tsyzu, with or without ******.Witter is the fighter that makes hatton look full of shit, why did'nt he fight him when he left ******?????Dont give the reason hatton gave, it's truely tiring and a little feeble now.



also hatton was 26 and kostya was 35 when they fought on hattons turf with a bias referee towards ricky in dave paris.

[Betty Swollocks]

also hatton was 26 and kostya was 35 when they fought on hattons turf with a bias referee towards ricky in dave paris.

yep. And Tszyu had announced after the Mitchell rematch that he was retiring.


who is that in the avatar?

[john b]

Yeah well if you don't fancy forking out for the trip you can always watch the fight on Sky box office at 14.95.

[rochsolloch]

yep. And Tszyu had announced after the Mitchell rematch that he was retiring.


who is that in the avatar?



me and derry matthews at our weigh in.

[JonOli]

also hatton was 26 and kostya was 35 when they fought on hattons turf with a bias referee towards ricky in dave paris.

Yes and Hatton was a real underdog, Tzue was p4p no 3 and Hatton made the champ quit on his stool. :D

[john b]

Yes and Hatton was a real underdog, Tzue was p4p no 3 and Hatton made the champ quit on his stool. :D

Don't get into pointless arguments with them, if hatton had beat king kong their will still be people who hate him.

[FLINT ISLAND]

Yeah well if you don't fancy forking out for the trip you can always watch the fight on Sky box office at 14.95.

No thanks

I will pay for Calzaghe V Roy Jones - if its at the millenium stadium in Cardiff I might even go up - because its gonna be a real big event.

But no way am I shelling out money for a Hatton fight - fuck that

[Brummy1976]

In the sense that he didn't happen then I suppose he did. I can't say I'm that bothered though, it would have been a good fight pre-Zoo to clear up the domestic scene but after Zoo Hattons career didn't need Witter and his level of competition has been good enough to excuse the fight not happening. Theres only really Lascano (tune up) and Urango that you'd really want to swap out for Witter, the rest are a pretty solid bunch of opponents.maussa ?

[GazOC]

maussa ?

Was WBA champ at the time and had just flattened the best name in Witters 'win' column.

[GazOC]

yep. And Tszyu had announced after the Mitchell rematch that he was retiring.


who is that in the avatar?

So how come you picked Zoo to win? Even when the fight was signed you were telling everyone who'd listen it was just a publicity stunt and Hatton would never really get into the ring with Zoo because he'd get timed coming in with the right hand and get KO'd in 3.

[dan-b]

Gaz whatever happened to your "life's too short" approach? This debate is like listening to old folks who still believe in party politics, but even more tedious. I've heard these same arguments over & over, surely you're all intelligent enough to see you will never come to an agreement about this?

[JonOli]

No thanks

I will pay for Calzaghe V Roy Jones - if its at the millenium stadium in Cardiff I might even go up - because its gonna be a real big event.

But no way am I shelling out money for a Hatton fight - fuck that

Says a Welsh man...

Is Calzaghe V Jones going to be on ppv anyway? Joe was with Setanta when with ******. The fights going to be like at 5 in the morning as well.

Its a pitty joe decided not to finish his career in Cardiff; he valued the states more.

[GazOC]

Gaz whatever happened to your "life's too short" approach? This debate is like listening to old folks who still believe in party politics, but even more tedious. I've heard these same arguments over & over, surely you're all intelligent enough to see you will never come to an agreement about this?

It just kind of sucks you back in...:lol:

[dan-b]

It just kind of sucks you back in...:lol:

Sounds like some girls I know.:D

[FLINT ISLAND]

Says a Welsh man...

Is Calzaghe V Jones going to be on ppv anyway? Joe was with Setanta when with ******. The fights going to be like at 5 in the morning as well.

Its a pitty joe decided not to finish his career in Cardiff; he valued the states more.

I'm thinking part of the reason why he split with ****** so he can go back to Sky Box Office for a one fight deal to cash in mega bucks in pay per view sales - to bump up his pension purse even more

Nothing been confirmed yet - but I'm sure Calzaghe will go where the money is because it's obviously become his God now - so proably USA.

Cardiff would be for the fans.

Joes not about that now - its all about the money

[trotter]

I'm thinking part of the reason why he split with ****** so he can go back to Sky Box Office for a one fight deal to cash in mega bucks in pay per view sales - to bump up his pension purse even more


You really are razor sharp aren't you?

What I don't get is why he didn't want to give ****** a share of his money. Perplexing that eh? Just unexplainable.

[TFFP]

Joe has fought most of his career in Wales and he was endlessly criticised for doing so

Now he fights in America and he still gets it

Christ :lol::patsch

[dan-b]

Joe has fought most of his career in Wales and he was endlessly criticised for doing so

Now he fights in America and he still gets it

Christ :lol::patsch

How was that fish btw?

[TFFP]

How was that fish btw?
I took one look at him on my plate and chucked him back in the ESB pond, where he is a mere goldfish and is continually hunted down by Great Whites like myself

You'll no doubt find him talking shit in threads involving Hatton, probably this one but I can't be arsed to check.

[Fat Joe]

How was that fish btw?

Is this the poisson de Oli?

[dan-b]

I took one look at him on my plate and chucked him back in the ESB pond, where he is a mere goldfish and is continually hunted down by Great Whites like myself

You'll no doubt find him talking shit in threads involving Hatton, probably this one but I can't be arsed to check.

No need to check, nothing you haven't read a thousand times before.

[dan-b]

Is this the poisson de Oli?

Indeed.

[TFFP]

To be fair, Sleaze has given it a rest lately. Been schooled far too many times now.

I can't actually wait until Hatton/Calzaghe are retired in a funny sort of way, and we are forced to focus on something and somebody else. We'll get the new breed of idiot, but at least a different subject matter.

Khanmania will go into overdrive, but we can discuss Haye and Froch more often.

[brown bomber]

Haven't seen sleaze post for ages.

[GazOC]

To be fair, Sleaze has given it a rest lately. Been schooled far too many times now.

I can't actually wait until Hatton/Calzaghe are retired in a funny sort of way, and we are forced to focus on something and somebody else. We'll get the new breed of idiot, but at least a different subject matter.

Khanmania will go into overdrive, but we can discuss Haye and Froch more often.


If those three are the future of this forum then its fucked. Khan is chinny, Haye is a massive question mark at HW and Froch just isn't that good.

[dan-b]

If those three are the future of this forum then its fucked. Khan is chinny, Haye is a massive question mark at HW and Froch just isn't that good.

Maybe this place dying wouldn't be such a bad thing. I think we've all become a little too close for comfort.:lol:

[TFFP]

If those three are the future of this forum then its fucked. Khan is chinny, Haye is a massive question mark at HW and Froch just isn't that good.
Well, its the future of British boxing not just the forum :lol:

No doubt the same old topics will be rehashed in the form of historical debate and legacy, so fear not.

[JonOli]

Joe has fought most of his career in Wales and he was endlessly criticised for doing so

Now he fights in America and he still gets it

Christ :lol::patsch

Incorrect TFFP, Joe Calzaghe has fought most of his career in England.

As far as the dig, from some, toward those who are sticking up for Hatton goes. I could understand it if a Hatton a nut hugger started this thread stating that "Wicky was doing it for the fans", believin what had been said, and stated that the "Pauli fight was the fight of the century". That isn't the case though. It's just another Hatton hate thread, you know that, I know that, we all know that.

[dan-b]

No doubt the same old topics will be rehashed in the form of historical debate and legacy, so fear not.

God I hope not.:nut :lol: :dead

[TFFP]

God I hope not.:nut :lol: :dead
Of course there will

Infact, I'm going to call it right now. Once one or both are retired, there will a Calzaghe/Hatton: Who achieved more thread, where the usual suspects will engage in tedious forum spastication.

[dan-b]

Of course there will

Infact, I'm going to call it right now. Once one or both are retired, there will a Calzaghe/Hatton: Who achieved more thread, where the usual suspects will engage in tedious forum spastication.

I will never open such a thread.

[TFFP]

I will never open such a thread.
Not even if MasterCalzaghe makes it? :think

[dan-b]

Not even if MasterCalzaghe makes it? :think

Not unless it reveals his address.

[GazOC]

I suppose at least Khan and Haye are young but Froch is 31 and hasn't stepped up yet, times running out for him.

I'll be curious to see if the current "fans boxer" Haye gets any shit off people here when he gets a big enough name to be able to start promoting is own fights as PPVs or at 3am from a Vegas casino......

[TFFP]

Not sure age makes much of a difference for Froch, unless he takes it to an extreme level and waits another decade

He doesn't exactly have blazing speed or incredible reflexes as it is. He'll be the same fighter at 34 as 31, as long as he gets something done this year he'll be fine. He is actually making serious strides towards getting a Taylor in the ring, which is promising.

[dan-b]

I suppose at least Khan and Haye are young but Froch is 31 and hasn't stepped up yet, times running out for him.

I'll be curious to see if the current "fans boxer" Haye gets any shit off people here when he gets a big enough name to be able to start promoting is own fights as PPVs or at 3am from a Vegas casino......

Only if he first proclaims himself to be a man of the people.:good

[GazOC]

Only if he first proclaims himself to be a man of the people.:good

Nah, I don't think he plays darts.

[TFFP]

I bet Hatton has never hit a 180 in his life, unlike myself, who managed one blind drunk

He's such a conman :-(

[GazOC]

Not sure age makes much of a difference for Froch, unless he takes it to an extreme level and waits another decade

He doesn't exactly have blazing speed or incredible reflexes as it is. He'll be the same fighter at 34 as 31, as long as he gets something done this year he'll be fine. He is actually making serious strides towards getting a Taylor in the ring, which is promising.

I don't rate Taylor but he'll be too good for Froch, 31 or 34 I just don't think he's world class.

[TFFP]

I don't rate Taylor but he'll be too good for Froch, 31 or 34 I just don't think he's world class.
Froch will beat Taylor.

Either way, if it happens there is something new to talk about

[dan-b]

Taylor Froch aint happening boys.

[Fat Joe]

If those three are the future of this forum then its fucked. Khan is chinny, Haye is a massive question mark at HW and Froch just isn't that good.

I'm banking on the re-emergence of Junior Witter:!:

[dan-b]

Froch will beat Taylor.

Do you really believe this?

[Fat Joe]

I will never open such a thread.

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

[TFFP]

Do you really believe this?
Absolutely. If it happens, wait and see my friend

What is more likely to happen is Froch will end up copping a less flawed boxer puncher with a solid chin, such as Kessler, and he'll be shutout and cast aside before getting a go at Taylor

[dan-b]

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

:lol:

Okay, any future threads.:good

[dan-b]

Absolutely. If it happens, wait and see my friend

What is more likely to happen is Froch will end up copping a less flawed boxer puncher with a solid chin, such as Kessler, and he'll be shutout and cast aside before getting a go at Taylor

Taylor would school him in my opinion. Taylor cops a fair amount of stick on here & I'm not really sure why. He's not an asshole & he's not too bad to watch either.:huh

[TFFP]

Taylor would school him in my opinion. Taylor cops a fair amount of stick on here & I'm not really sure why. He's not an asshole & he's not too bad to watch either.:huh
Because a lot of people thought he lost up to 4 fights, yet he somehow gets a favourable verdict in every single one. I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but there is something fishy in that. Fuckin HBO's golden boy. He had to get KO'd to lose that belt, it was a disgrace to the middleweight division.

He's a decent fella though, but as a boxer he is extremely flawed, and unless he fights a near perfect fight without showing the flaws we are accustomed to such as low hands and poor stamina Froch will do him late on after getting outboxed.

[GazOC]

Taylor would school him in my opinion. Taylor cops a fair amount of stick on here & I'm not really sure why. He's not an asshole & he's not too bad to watch either.:huh

To me he always looks like he could be doing more, he seems to coast too much.

[dan-b]

Because a lot of people thought he lost up to 4 fights, yet he somehow gets a favourable verdict in every single one. I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but there is something fishy in that. Fuckin HBO's golden boy. He had to get KO'd to lose that belt, it was a disgrace to the middleweight division.

He's a decent fella though, but as a boxer he is extremely flawed, and unless he fights a near perfect fight without showing the flaws we are accustomed to such as low hands and poor stamina Froch will do him late on after getting outboxed.

True but he never took an easy fight either. If he'd taken a Lockett type fight he would have been slated yet Pavlik gets away with a gross mismatch. I like Taylor & still think he can do something in boxing. I think Taylor/Kessler would be a lovely match up.

I wouldn't pick out Froch as a man to show up Taylor's supposed poor stamina. He can be quite lazy himself at times & against Jermain he'd be copping punches when he is so.

[GazOC]

I'm banking on the re-emergence of Junior Witter:!:

"Amir Kahn is shamelessly ducking Junior Witter"

[TFFP]

True but he never took an easy fight either. If he'd taken a Lockett type fight he would have been slated yet Pavlik gets away with a gross mismatch. I like Taylor & still think he can do something in boxing. I think Taylor/Kessler would be a lovely match up.

I wouldn't pick out Froch as a man to show up Taylor's supposed poor stamina. He can be quite lazy himself at times & against Jermain he'd be copping punches when he is so.
It's all about styles though. I was wondering how long it would be until somebody pointed out Froch's low hands/laziness too.

There is a subtle difference though, in that Froch is genuinely lazy and bides his time, however remains dangerous and maintains power through 12 rounds. We've seen that with some late KO's. Whereas Taylor actually gasses, and thus drops his hands and fights in spurts

Also, when Taylor is outboxing Froch I question how much of a dent he'll put in Froch given the lack of power we've seen over his career at the top level. Whereas vice-versa, can you be sure he's going to take Froch's power late in the fight, given he was essentially on queer street from a couple of Pavlik rights?

Of course its kinda difficult to predict, since Froch hasn't fought great comp, but neither had Pavlik. It's an intriguing matchup, boxer vs brawler.

[Fat Joe]

Not sure age makes much of a difference for Froch, unless he takes it to an extreme level and waits another decade


I saw an interview with Froch where he said you can have 10 good years as a pro. He says that it is irrelevant if that is 20-30, or 25-35. Not sure if I agree with that logic myself.

[dan-b]

It's all about styles though. I was wondering how long it would be until somebody pointed out Froch's low hands/laziness too.

There is a subtle difference though, in that Froch is genuinely lazy and bides his time, however remains dangerous and maintains power through 12 rounds. We've seen that with some late KO's. Whereas Taylor actually gasses, and thus drops his hands and fights in spurts

Also, when Taylor is outboxing Froch I question how much of a dent he'll put in Froch given the lack of power we've seen over his career at the top level. Whereas vice-versa, can you be sure he's going to take Froch's power late in the fight, given he was essentially on queer street from a couple of Pavlik rights?

Of course its kinda difficult to predict, since Froch hasn't fought great comp, but neither had Pavlik. It's an intriguing matchup, boxer vs brawler.

True, shame the fight probably isn't happening.

[TFFP]

I saw an interview with Froch where he said you can have 10 good years as a pro. He says that it is irrelevant if that is 20-30, or 25-35. Not sure if I agree with that logic myself.
Depends on style and weight class. Generally bigger guys last longer.

A Hatton type isn't going to last as long as a Mayweather. It's just common sense really. Froch's style is not really based on athleticism, so most of the attributes you expect to decline were never really there with Froch. His best qualities are chin and power, which shouldn't go aged 35.

[GazOC]

But even at 31 he still hasn't proved he's anything like world class, so even if he does manage to stay at the same level of performance for the next 3 years it still isn't saying much at world level.

[TFFP]

Yeah, I'm just making the point if he starts now, or at least gets something big scheduled for next year he'll have plenty of time at world class level while fighting at his peak. If he proves good enough of course.

[trotter]

I'll be curious to see if the current "fans boxer" Haye gets any shit off people here when he gets a big enough name to be able to start promoting is own fights as PPVs or at 3am from a Vegas casino......

Of course he will.

Some people try to validate their superiroity by denying the blazingly obvious and refusing to give credit to anyone they regard as mainstream.

It's just the same as music snobbery, wine snobbery, any of that shit.


On the Froch - Taylor thing, I agree that Froch hasn't shown he is world class. But he hasn't shown he isn't either IMO.

I can well see him beating Taylor but he is unproven and could easily get embarassed too.

Taylor was a twats hair from knocking Pavlik out. He can be sharp and hurtful. His stock has fallen but he's been in with top top fighters and held his own.

[BaronBrad]

You can get odds of 100 to 1 on Malignaggi to stop Hatton any round. For a Paulie KO in any round you can get 12 to 1.

Ricky is a 1 to 4 odds on favourite

Glad I'm already going to see the Cotto fight live. I then hope to get to Berlin for Peters/Klitschko. Probably get to see both of these for the same moeny it would cost to see Hatton.

[JonOli]

You can get odds of 100 to 1 on Malignaggi to stop Hatton any round. For a Paulie KO in any round you can get 12 to 1.

Ricky is a 1 to 4 odds on favourite

Glad I'm already going to see the Cotto fight live. I then hope to get to Berlin for Peters/Klitschko. Probably get to see both of these for the same moeny it would cost to see Hatton.

Seriously multi! I'm going to lay some pounds on Pauli, what's his price?

[GazOC]

Its worth a punt on a PM stoppage at those prices purely for the cuts.

[JonOli]

100 to 1, stoppage in any round (Hatton used to cut)... not bad, I'll have some of that, what bookie is it with?

[Smith]

Im takien the 100-1 stoppage, can see Paulie, however unlikely, picking away at Hattons eyebbrows and opening them right up.

Link to bookie?

[JonOli]

Me to! At a guess its Hatton haters on here making things up again...

[JonOli]

C'mon Baron Brad, tell us the Bookie!




*Click, Baron Brad is now off line*

[Dunky McCafferty]

jeez, this thread has taken some crazy twists since I started it:lol:

& of course now that I am back on the argument has run its course & I missed out on all the fun!
Craziest thing about the thread though was people fancying malignaggi to pull off the upset, what are you all smoking?

PAULIE HAS NO PUNCH!!! For crying out loud people, he cant crack an egg never mind open up a cut on Hatton. Its as simple as that, Hatton will walk through malignaggi & bully his way to a wide UD.
Remember people that Cotto was so weight drained against Paulie that he could barely stand upright without help, & he STILL gave Malignaggi the beating of his life!
Malignaggi, I like him. I really do. He reminds me of the old italian-american fighters from the past who brought a bit of personality to the sport.
However, look beyond the big mouth & crazy hair, & all you got is a decent boxer who has no power.

Hatton to win in a snoozefest, & then hopefully its Pacman. Now THATS a fight:deal This one though is just another fight to add to Rickys belt collection.

[JonOli]

No 1 contender, dunky, no 1 contender.

Where's Baron gone....

[SleazeNation]

SkyBet

[trotter]

SkyBet

Paulie to win by stoppage anytime at 12's is not a bad bet I guess but he doesn't stop many people.

The smart money would be on a Paulie decision though, that's where the value will be.

This will not be as easy for Hatton as people make out IMO. Paulie is improved since the Cotto fight, he's a tough kid, and he's awkward.

[Brummy1976]

Was WBA champ at the time and had just flattened the best name in Witters 'win' column.c'mon, u can see that for what it is.Harris is better than maussa, just were'nt his night...

[Doyley10]

Sorry, I meant the time it takes. I was fucked when I got there last time!!

Fly indirect. It's cheaper, you get to stretch your legs and do customs and immigration in NYC/Chicago/Washington/ etc, so you're free to go when you hit vegas. Oh, and don't be sucha wuss:D

[GazOC]

Last time to save a few bob I went Liverpool-Amsterdam-Chicago-Denver-Vegas....a little too indirect looking back.

[Bomber_uk]

Last time to save a few bob I went Liverpool-Amsterdam-Chicago-Denver-Vegas....a little too indirect looking back.

All trips should go via the dam :rasta

[Doyley10]

Last time to save a few bob I went Liverpool-Amsterdam-Chicago-Denver-Vegas....a little too indirect looking back.

Good God man! Fly out of Manchester next time! BMI go direct and American, US, Continental and Delta can all do it with one stop!

[BaronBrad]

C'mon Baron Brad, tell us the Bookie!




*Click, Baron Brad is now off line*


I've re-read my original post and I think it was a little misleading.

I looked at Will Hill.

At the time of writing (not checked since) it was 100-1 for each round - not for any KO win. i.e. if you bet on Paulie winning by KO is the 4th you'd get 100-1, if you thought he'd win in the 12th by KO it would be 100-1.

The win by KO in any round was obviously a lot lower than this.

Sorry for any confusion, I typed the original entry after a few beers :patsch

[john b]

Good God man! Fly out of Manchester next time! BMI go direct and American, US, Continental and Delta can all do it with one stop!

That his true I have been with delta three times one on a family holiday to atlanta, the other two with hatton to vegas and boston.

[JonOli]

I've re-read my original post and I think it was a little misleading.

I looked at Will Hill.

At the time of writing (not checked since) it was 100-1 for each round - not for any KO win. i.e. if you bet on Paulie winning by KO is the 4th you'd get 100-1, if you thought he'd win in the 12th by KO it would be 100-1.

The win by KO in any round was obviously a lot lower than this.

Sorry for any confusion, I typed the original entry after a few beers :patsch

No problem, Barren Brad, I'd had a few beers as well.

[JonOli]

Paulie to win by stoppage anytime at 12's is not a bad bet I guess but he doesn't stop many people.

The smart money would be on a Paulie decision though, that's where the value will be.

This will not be as easy for Hatton as people make out IMO. Paulie is improved since the Cotto fight, he's a tough kid, and he's awkward.

I agree, considering the odds, I may have a few quid on Pauli closer to the time.

[JonOli]

Hattons father Ray told SKY Sports:

"Rickys exact words were, 'Dad, the fans made me, so I want whats best financially for them."

So Hatton fans, happy travelling back to Vegas again to see him beat that non punching nobody Paulie Malignaggi by UD:lol:

Come on Hatton huggers, even you cant be taken in by Rickys latest ticket selling charm offensive, can you???


Here's a piece out the Daily Mirror today on it...


By David Anderson 12/07/2008 ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Ricky Hatton ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) has turned his back on his dream of topping the bill at Madison Square Garden for the sake of his fans' pockets.
Hatton, 29, had wanted to challenge champion Paul Malignaggi for his old IBF light-welterweight belt at the Garden in New York and tick off another box on his career wishlist.
But he has opted to fight at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas - scene of his defeat to Floyd Mayweather - on November 22 because it will work out ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) cheaper for his thousands of supporters.
Hatton's father and manager Ray said: "It's 99 per cent certain that the fight will be at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas because Ricky wants it there for his fans. Tour companies have told us that it would on average be £400 cheaper for fans flying over to America to have the fight in Vegas compared to New York.

"Hotel rooms and food are that much cheaper in Vegas and Ricky is very mindful of this, especially with the fight happening a month before Christmas.
"He really appreciates how much it costs his fans to come to America and wants what's best for them.
"He did want to top the bill at the Garden, but he has already fought there on the undercard of Naz and Kevin Kelley in 1997 so he has ticked that one off."

The Hitman is demanding 10,000 of the likely 18,000 tickets for his fans after he received only 4,000 for the Mayweather fight.

[brown_bomber]

well i was at the homecoming :D thats enough for me