The Welsh

[TFFP]

Can anybody match them, and not for sheep shagging perverts :nono

1. Jimmy Wilde
2. Jem Driscoll
3. Freddie Welsh
4. Joe Calzaghe
5. Winstone/Farr (similar in many ways)

That is one mean looking lineup

I can only think of the English coming close, but post your lists :good

[PrideOfWales]

You've gone and started something now. For a small country of 2.9m though, that's a very good top 5. We're all fucking hard bastards ennih.

[SleazeNation]

Any country with Calzaghe in it's top 5 all time must be a lot of shit. :good

[TFFP]

Any country with Calzaghe in it's top 5 all time must be a lot of shit. :good
Typical response from a clueless idiot that has no idea about boxing outside Hatton.

[GazOC]

I can't really fault that list, I think the Irish have a better top 5 though...

[Smith]

Scotland


Ken Buchanan
Benny Lynch
Jim Watt
Jackie Paterson
Walter McGowan (would have been far more renowned and successful if it weren't for his ease at being cut, superb wee fighter)I think this line up can be argued as being on par with the Welsh one, its certainly not a bad list for the size of our country, and plaudits to the welsh for being an even smaller country, so they may shade it.;)

[SleazeNation]

Typical response from a clueless idiot that has no idea about boxing outside Hatton.
Hatton? What's he got to do with a Welsh top 5?.. Oh yeah, you're obsessed with him.

[TFFP]

Hatton? What's he got to do with a Welsh top 5?.. Oh yeah, you're obsessed with him.
Why are you talking shit about Calzaghe in a thread where I specifically asked for peoples lists?

The obvious answer is you don't have a clue.

[GazOC]

Irish: (gloved)

Jack Dempsey
Jimmy McClaren
Mike McTigue
Tom Sharkey
Steve Collins

[JonOli]

Yea, Ireland has a great list.

[BIG WORM]

amir khan
naseem hamed
kevin kelly
daniel thorpe
baileys tunes

[SleazeNation]

Why are you talking shit about Calzaghe in a thread where I specifically asked for peoples lists?

The obvious answer is you don't have a clue.
Just commenting on your list. Ok, so I stretched the rules of the thread and I'm sorry about that.

[GazOC]

Scotland


Ken Buchanan
Benny Lynch
Jim Watt
Jackie Paterson
Walter McGowan (would have been far more renowned and successful if it weren't for his ease at being cut, superb wee fighter)I think this line up can be argued as being on par with the Welsh one, its certainly not a bad list for the size of our country, and plaudits to the welsh for being an even smaller country, so they may shade it.;)

I've always thought that McGowan is the Scottish equivilent of Howard Winstone, one had cuts the other had bad hands and those things really held them back at world level.

[Smith]

I've always thought that McGowan is the Scottish equivilent of Howard Winstone, one had cuts the other had bad hands and those things really held them back at world level.Nice comparison, very much so.:good

[rydersonthestorm]

lennox lewis
bob fitzsimmons
prince naz
john conteh
nigel benn

[TFFP]

Scotland


Ken Buchanan
Benny Lynch
Jim Watt
Jackie Paterson
Walter McGowan (would have been far more renowned and successful if it weren't for his ease at being cut, superb wee fighter)I think this line up can be argued as being on par with the Welsh one, its certainly not a bad list for the size of our country, and plaudits to the welsh for being an even smaller country, so they may shade it.;)
Starts off pretty strongly, although I'd take Wilde over Buchanan. Lynch is definitely comparable to Driscoll or Welsh. But the Welsh are stronger with Calzaghe, who I'd take over the rest, so I reckon they take it overall

The English list is strongest really, but the Welsh are excellent p4p

1. Bob Fitzsimmons
2. Lennox Lewis
3. Ted 'Kid' Lewis
4. Randy Turpin
5. Jackie 'Kid' Berg

The only thing that takes the edge of this superb list is the legitimacy of the English' claim to Lewis/Fitzsimmons especially. The debate will rumble on...

[TFFP]

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[rydersonthestorm]

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terrible list

[GazOC]

I can understand Fitz not being regarded as English as he moved at an early age and never fought out of England but Lewis was born in England and fought most of his pro career out of England.

[GazOC]

Yep, that Sun list is fucking awful for any number of reasons.

[JonOli]

Who bar TFFp reads the Sun anyway; or takes it seriously.

Thinking about it why are Icelandic men reading the Sun Newspaper?... There's better... no wonder he's so bitter...

[Smith]

Starts off pretty strongly, although I'd take Wilde over Buchanan. Lynch is definitely comparable to Driscoll or Welsh. But the Welsh are stronger with Calzaghe, who I'd take over the rest, so I reckon they take it overall

The English list is strongest really, but the Welsh are excellent p4p

1. Bob Fitzsimmons
2. Lennox Lewis
3. Ted 'Kid' Lewis
4. Randy Turpin
5. Jackie 'Kid' Berg

The only thing that takes the edge of this superb list is the legitimacy of the English' claim to Lewis/Fitzsimmons especially. The debate will rumble on...Its no certainty that Wilde is over Buchanan. Different fighters, different weights, different time periods, me personally, I'd go for Buchanan as the all time best Brit post-war, so that makes it interesting. For me also, Driscoll and Welsh are a tier below Benny Lynch, 100%. Im surprised you think they are even with him. I would have the Welsh's top two as Wilde and Calzaghe, therefore balancing with Scotlands Buchanan and Lynch. Maybe arguably Wales top two is ever so slightly stronger with Joes tenure as champion. I feel Jim Watt and Jackie Paterson are stronger than Welsh and Driscoll as a collective. Just my opinion.

[Dunky McCafferty]

Its an interesting debate, but theres no doubt Wales for such a small country has done brilliantly in boxing over the years.

[JonOli]

Its an interesting debate, but theres no doubt Wales for such a small country has done brilliantly in boxing over the years.

No doubt about that.

[Smith]

Absolutely.
Even if they only ever came up with Wilde and Calzaghe and no other fighters of note I'd still say that they have a very strong standing.

[GazOC]

Its an interesting debate, but theres no doubt Wales for such a small country has done brilliantly in boxing over the years.

For small countries Panama and Puerto Rico would take some beating I think both are around 4 million people.

[Dunky McCafferty]

For small countries Panama and Puerto Rico would take some beating I think both are around 4 million people.

Fair point gaz, but boxing is Puerto Rico's national sport, that place lives & breathes boxing.
Imagine how successful this Island would be if boxing was our national passion?
Scotland, England & Wales would kick serious ass.

[JonOli]

I'm going to be shot for saying this, but I think it's great Enzo has pulled so many (relative) champions out of one small gym.

OK shoot me down!

I like him, he's...err... at least he's got a bit of fire... I like that....

[alba]

Its an interesting debate, but theres no doubt Wales for such a small country has done brilliantly in boxing over the years.

wih out a douby.last year at one point ernzo had 3 world champions (4 if you count locketts wbu)

but def .

the scottish one is pretty spot on .if harrison had kept fighting and didnae have his porblems where do you think he would have fitted in ?

[D-MAC]

Northern Ireland:

(1) Rinty Monaghan
(2) John Caldwell
(3) Freddie Gilroy
(4) Wayne McCullough
(5) Dave "Boy" McAuley

If I was allowed to include Barry McGuigan (born just south of the border, but had the majority of his fights in the north) I would place him at 2nd.

[FLINT ISLAND]

TFFP

I would like to know where you rate Colin Jones in the best all time Welsh boxers rankings.

[Smith]

wih out a douby.last year at one point ernzo had 3 world champions (4 if you count locketts wbu)

but def .

the scottish one is pretty spot on .if harrison had kept fighting and didnae have his porblems where do you think he would have fitted in ?I was tempted to nip Harrisson in at #5 on my list, but he got pushed out by McGowan, a superb boxer hindered by bad luck.

[toffeejack]

For a population of 3 million we have a good list there.

[BamBam]

If I was allowed to include Barry McGuigan (born just south of the border, but had the majority of his fights in the north) I would place him at 2nd.

But you're not because Barry was born in the Republic so there :nut
I'd actually have Dave Boy higher if I was you. 23 fights in total and 11 of those were for titles (9 World 2 Brit??) That, for me anyway, is a top line operator.

No shame in losing to Bassa, although the first one when he was ahead on the cards must have been a sickner, and having seen tapes of the Blanco fight I thought he won by a couple of points. Like him as a commentator on RTE now as well. Even if it's just because having him there means Jimmy Magee can't talk all the time

[Max Molyneux]

Fair point gaz, but boxing is Puerto Rico's national sport, that place lives & breathes boxing.
Imagine how successful this Island would be if boxing was our national passion?
Scotland, England & Wales would kick serious ass.

Passion doesn't make up for ability and skills though. Most Brit fighters are taught to fight with a too tight guard and workrate generally.

[D-MAC]

But you're not because Barry was born in the Republic so there :nut
I'd actually have Dave Boy higher if I was you. 23 fights in total and 11 of those were for titles (9 World 2 Brit??) That, for me anyway, is a top line operator.

No shame in losing to Bassa, although the first one when he was ahead on the cards must have been a sickner, and having seen tapes of the Blanco fight I thought he won by a couple of points. Like him as a commentator on RTE now as well. Even if it's just because having him there means Jimmy Magee can't talk all the time

Damn you and your logical reasoning.:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

As far as the McAuley argument goes, I can see your point, but I'm a bit of a sucker for the old-timers, and place McCullough so high due to longevity (too much fucking longevity tbh)

[TFFP]

Who bar TFFp reads the Sun anyway; or takes it seriously.

Thinking about it why are Icelandic men reading the Sun Newspaper?... There's better... no wonder he's so bitter...
Here you are trying to derail the thread, and I'm the one whos bitter?

You are a sore loser, I've just schooled your Hatton loving ass too many times and you are butthurt. Thats about the long and short of it.

[ron u.k.]

Irish: (gloved)

Jack Dempsey
Jimmy McClaren
Mike McTigue
Tom Sharkey
Steve Collinsyour claiming jack dempsey?

[Claypole]

Imagine how successful this Island would be if boxing was our national passion?
Scotland, England & Wales would kick serious ass.What, like in football?

[TFFP]

I think Britain has a much better talent level in boxing than football, p4p anyway. It has consistently produced good fighters, considering how much of a back seat it takes to other sports.

It has a proud history too. Its arguably produced a top 3 heavyweight of all-time, and quite a few top 30 ATG candidates with a number of others that could be realistically placed top 50.

Good stuff.

Whereas football despite having an obsession with it there are inherent failings in the system that undermine their chances.

[GazOC]

your claiming jack dempsey?
Jack Dempsey was born in Ireland.

EDIT: I've just checked and I can't see proof where he fought with gloves.

[D-MAC]

Jack Dempsey was born in Ireland.

EDIT: I've just checked and I can't see proof where he fought with gloves.

Don't you mean Nonpareil Jack Dempsey, rather than Manassa Mauler Jack Dempsey.

[GazOC]

Their was only one Jack Dempsey born in Ireland. I didn't mention the Manassa Mauler.....

[D-MAC]

Their was only one Jack Dempsey born in Ireland. I didn't mention the Manassa Mauler.....

Gotcha:good

[GazOC]

:good

[GazOC]

Piss off!!!


;O)

[Dunky McCafferty]

wih out a douby.last year at one point ernzo had 3 world champions (4 if you count locketts wbu)

but def .

the scottish one is pretty spot on .if harrison had kept fighting and didnae have his porblems where do you think he would have fitted in ?

aah, scotty...
If Harrison hadnt went mental, I think he could have gone onto be the greatest scottish fighter of all time. I could have seen Harrison beat Marquez, Guzman, Injin Chi & Chris John if he fought any of them. Not Pacquiao though, that guys on a different level to anyone.

& if anyone comes in deriding me or Scotty, I aint debating it. Cos hes gone, & its all ifs & buts Im dealing in. But you asked my true opinion, & I gave it to you straight.

[alba]

aah, scotty...
If Harrison hadnt went mental, I think he could have gone onto be the greatest scottish fighter of all time. I could have seen Harrison beat Marquez, Guzman, Injin Chi & Chris John if he fought any of them. Not Pacquiao though, that guys on a different level to anyone.

& if anyone comes in deriding me or Scotty, I aint debating it. Cos hes gone, & its all ifs & buts Im dealing in. But you asked my true opinion, & I gave it to you straight.

again mate your very defensive.

i think he would have rail roaded through that list wihtt he exception of guzman.i think he is good (from what i have seen of him0p however rhe hasent fought anyone yet.

but i miss him .:good

[Brummy1976]

Typical response from a clueless idiot that has no idea about boxing outside Hatton.Why did u bother !

[King]

Can anybody match them, and not for sheep shagging perverts :nono

1. Jimmy Wilde
2. Jem Driscoll
3. Freddie Welsh
4. Joe Calzaghe
5. Winstone/Farr (similar in many ways)

That is one mean looking lineup

I can only think of the English coming close, but post your lists :good



1) Lennox
2) Naz
3) Benn
4) Eubank
5) Bruno

:yep

[Brummy1976]

I can understand Fitz not being regarded as English as he moved at an early age and never fought out of England but Lewis was born in England and fought most of his pro career out of England.Do you not think he came back after the olympics to england as it is a better launch pad for a professional career.There's fuck all patriotic bout lewis, he even referred to kirk johnson as his "fellow countryman" after just stopping rachman. As soon as he dumped maloney, he dumped the british bullshit. Great fighter though regardless.......

[Brummy1976]

again mate your very defensive.

i think he would have rail roaded through that list wihtt he exception of guzman.i think he is good (from what i have seen of him0p however rhe hasent fought anyone yet.

but i miss him .:goodMarquez ? He aint never beating that dude !!

[GazOC]

Do you not think he came back after the olympics to england as it is a better launch pad for a professional career.There's fuck all patriotic bout lewis, he even referred to kirk johnson as his "fellow countryman" after just stopping rachman. As soon as he dumped maloney, he dumped the british bullshit. Great fighter though regardless.......

He's still English though...

[PrideOfWales]

Marquez ? He aint never beating that dude !!

Are you THE Peter Buckley?

[GazOC]

No

[will8801]

USA

Rocky Balboa
Apollo Creed
Clubber Lang
Tommy Gunn
Union Kane

[TFFP]

1) Lennox
2) Naz
3) Benn
4) Eubank
5) Bruno

:yep
That isn't really close.

[Dunky McCafferty]

again mate your very defensive.

i think he would have rail roaded through that list wihtt he exception of guzman.i think he is good (from what i have seen of him0p however rhe hasent fought anyone yet.

but i miss him .:good

I wasnt being defensive towards you Reilly. Not at all. My message was aimed at the general public. You see, I have almost been a lone defender of Scotty on here for years. But hes gone now, & I wasnt prepared to go over old ground again. If I come accross as defensive, its for good reason.
You try defending scottish boxers here for years like I have done, & lets see how you turn out;)

Trust me, without my scottish ass & its almost dailly input on here scottish boxing would be but an afterthought on British ESB. Its that & that alone which keeps me posting here. Scottish boxing deserves its voice on this forum.

I have wanted to retire from this forum for a good year now, but the guilt of not being here to defend the jocks always drags me back. As I say, people can call me this that or the other. Im fighting for a greater cause though, recognition for scottish boxing. I get fuck all credit for it though!:lol:

Thats just the way it is though, & I accept it. Who said life was meant to be easy as a scottish boxing fan?:deal

Braveheart to the graveyard, im the William Wallace of this shit:smoke

Remember the line Reilly...

See what happens when you talk to me for too long?

[Big Ears]

Their was only one Jack Dempsey born in Ireland. I didn't mention the Manassa Mauler.....

Unfortuntately it seems most people aren't accustomed to Nonpareil, the man after who the Manassa Mauler was named after.

[9Ball]

aah, scotty...
If Harrison hadnt went mental, I think he could have gone onto be the greatest scottish fighter of all time. I could have seen Harrison beat Marquez, Guzman, Injin Chi & Chris John if he fought any of them. Not Pacquiao though, that guys on a different level to anyone.

& if anyone comes in deriding me or Scotty, I aint debating it. Cos hes gone, & its all ifs & buts Im dealing in. But you asked my true opinion, & I gave it to you straight.

Harrison was a very limited fighter and very overrated imo. He got a gift draw decision against Victor Polo. He would have been totally beaten on all fronts by JMM and probably Guzman too, I agree he could have beaten Chi and John. Harrison was a good fighter but certainly not one of Scotlands top 5 though.

[girv]

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Genuine LOL at that stupid list but even more so when I saw who had passed a comment on it. :lol:

[Smith]

Harrison was a very limited fighter and very overrated imo. He got a gift draw decision against Victor Polo. He would have been totally beaten on all fronts by JMM and probably Guzman too, I agree he could have beaten Chi and John. Harrison was a good fighter but certainly not one of Scotlands top 5 though.I have to agree with you. As a fighter he was brillaint, as a boxer he should never be considered top 5 of Scots ever.

[darwoody]

It looks good as a top five but make it a ten or fifteen and it drops off quite considerably.

[D-MAC]

Genuine LOL at that stupid list but even more so when I saw who had passed a comment on it. :lol:


It is a ridiculous list:patsch

[TFFP]

I definitely was drunk when I wrote that list. It's not consistent with any top 10 British fighters list I usually post, and I responded to an article in The Sun :patsch

[ghostlybadge]

my little town of 60k people can put together 3 excellent boxers

howard winstone
johnny owen
eddie thomas