Boxin is back on its feet

[chewy 22]

Even Friday Fight Nights are getting better. This years been great for boxing, an UFC is gettin worse an worse, Im a fan but im bored of it already, its over saturated. the bubbles burst. if promoters keep puting on stacked cards then boxing can only grow stronger :good

[WestSideBoxer]

Even Friday Fight Nights are getting better. This years been great for boxing, an UFC is gettin worse an worse, Im a fan but im bored of it already, its over saturated. the bubbles burst. if promoters keep puting on stacked cards then boxing can only grow stronger :good

:bbb :good

[WestSideBoxer]

Please close the thread, because Sweet Pea is going to be here soon!!

[pipe wrenched]

2007 has been full of GREAT matchups for the most part and we are only half way thru. Only downside is IMO, since PBF and Oscar did so well almost every other fight has been on PPV. It seems even if big cards are on free HBO or showtime there is still a PPV or two on the same weekend (last weekend we had the Duddy fight, RJJ fight, Mijares, all on the same day as the HBO triple header. WTF is one to do?

[Zakman]

Even Friday Fight Nights are getting better. This years been great for boxing, an UFC is gettin worse an worse, Im a fan but im bored of it already, its over saturated. the bubbles burst. if promoters keep puting on stacked cards then boxing can only grow stronger :good

Boxing was here before UFC, it will be here LONG after that WWF-inspired hype has faded away. :yep

[haavard]

Actually I think that the steroids abuse will kill MMA for good.

The lightweight champ Sherk has just been busted. It's ovious that EACH AND EVERYONE is taking steroids in MMA. It's pure freakshow!

No serious TV-station in Europe will ever televise that crap, when it's stuffed with roids.

25 percent of all MMA-fighters were caught with drugs in the blood last year by the California Athletic State Commision. And they have just started sanctioning the game and taking drug tests.

[brooklyn1550]

Boxing is coming on strong in 2007!

[Mrboogie23]

Please close the thread, because Sweet Pea is going to be here soon!!


:lol: :lol:


no, he probably wont be in here. If the title said MMA sucks and boxing is back on its feet he'd be in here in a flash though.

[boxingabc123]

UFC recycles the same fighters over and over again too it seems.

[Capis]

Friday night fights been really good this year teddy atlas pawnz.

[karmazon]

Boxing still has some dinosaurs left, but the new, exciting generation is beginning to take over.

[jc]

Its been a good year for boxing. We still dont have a heavyweight division worth talking abut but up and down the weights we have had good fights which have got people talking.

The UFC isnt going anywhere though.

[Mrboogie23]

Its been a good year for boxing. We still dont have a heavyweight division worth talking abut but up and down the weights we have had good fights which have got people talking.

The UFC isnt going anywhere though.


it has been good. Although the heavyweights arent great, the division is getting better. There are some decent guys up there and some exciting fights can be made. We've also got some pretty good up and comers. Povetkin, Solis, Witherspoon, and bunch of others I'm leaving out.

[cardstars]

I agree that boxing will MOST DEFINITELY come back around. I have a few friends that watch MMA and I have already turned them to boxing by showing them how it is truly "the sweet science" and how amazing it is to watch a graceful boxer on the top of his game in the ring vs the some of the trailer-park shit you see in MMA. Boxing will always be around - end of discussion

[Scar]

Boxing has been doing great for a while now in my opinion, last year had great fights so did this year. Boxing isn't all about the Heavyweight division you know, WAY too many great fights in the lower divisions. About the UFC, I don't really know anything about them nor do I care but best of luck to them.

[theunderdog]

2007 is relly a great year for boxing. the 2nd half may just be better then the 1st half so there's more to come

[Hitman_Hatton]

Actually I think that the steroids abuse will kill MMA for good.

The lightweight champ Sherk has just been busted. It's ovious that EACH AND EVERYONE is taking steroids in MMA. It's pure freakshow!

No serious TV-station in Europe will ever televise that crap, when it's stuffed with roids.

25 percent of all MMA-fighters were caught with drugs in the blood last year by the California Athletic State Commision. And they have just started sanctioning the game and taking drug tests.


Three letters WWE

[jc]

SKySports show the lesser know Cage Rage and we are able to see UFC on digital tv. if it gets viewing figures TV companies wouldnt think twice about showing it.

[chewy 22]

is funny how people mention steroids an associate them with WWE and now MMA. Iv always thought that MMA and WWE where very similar in that regard. The amatuer wrestlers take hgh and roids big time, and carry these habbits onto MMA and pro wrestling. :good UFC will suffer as a consequence.
Thier business model is too similar to wwe's

Iv loved boxing this year. The thing is it can only get better. The match making at HBO in particular can improve, i heard they might let Larry Merchant match make some of the cards for boxing after dark, i hope they do.

[nfc90210]

Their fighters also juice up. Sean Sherk, their lightweight champ, still has not been stripped of his belt. How can the UFC be taken seriously if they don't punish this guy?

Sherk is currently appealing the commission’s test as is his right.

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Sherk Releases Statement on Appeal

Monday, July 23, 2007
by Sherdog.com Staff

Sean Sherk has retained an attorney and plans to fight the allegations that he used anabolic steroids in the run-up to his July 7 title defense against Hermes Franca. In a press release, Sherk clearly maintained his innocence although he had no immediate explanation for the positive test.

"At the present time, I cannot explain the positive drug test in Sacramento, California," stated the UFC lightweight champion. "I know that I have never used any steroids or other banned substances, and I am investigating possible causes of the positive test with my attorney. I have never cheated, and all of my success has come from hard work and dedication to my sport."

Sherk has retained Howard Jacobs of Los Angels, California to represent him in his appeal of his suspension and fine.

That appeal will be heard in Los Angeles at a California State Athletic Commission meeting scheduled for August 6 at 10 a.m. Hermes Franca, who challenged Sherk at UFC 73 and Phil Baroni who tested positive after his June 22 fight with Frank Shamrock are also slated to have their appeals heard.

After the commission hears Sherk's appeal then the UFC will decide what action to take. If the commission doesn't overturn the positive test then I expect Sherk to be stripped of the title.

[nfc90210]

25 percent of all MMA-fighters were caught with drugs in the blood last year by the California Athletic State Commision. And they have just started sanctioning the game and taking drug tests.

This isn’t true.

From something Dave Meltzer wrote, a while back, about the ESPN coverage of the Royce Gracie failing a drug test.

The important part is in bold and is, also, underlined.

--ESPN on Monday covered the Royce Gracie drug test failure on First Take. They pronounced his name with an R. They referred to the sport as Ultimate Fighting and showed a UFC graphic. They also stated that over 30 fighters have tested positive since ultimate fighting started steroid testing on April 1. Actually, it's 21 positives for all sports, which includes several failed boxers and lots of MMA fighters, since California started testing, but many have been for pot and drugs other than steroids. They were sent corrections but decided to ignore them from what I've heard.

[cross_trainer]

This is a good thread, but it's unfortunate that it needs to attack MMA on the way. Mixed martial arts are actually about to hit a high water mark--unification of the two major titles (Pride and the UFC) is underway. It's finally coming of age as a sport.

As for boxing, it will (I hope) continue to grow stronger. All of the P4P talent is concentrated in one division (welter) and the matchups are starting to be made. Heavyweight is also looking better, and is even facing partial unification (!).

And Zakman, enough with the pro-wrestling allusions. It's silly. :roll:

[Danny Ocean]

totally agree 100percent

great fighters fighting great fighters

good fighters having great fights

the best fighting the best eg

pbf-oscar,pbf-hatton,b-hop-winky,calz-kess,sultan-chagaev

ufc will fade away into oblivion in 3years or so

[Heavyrighthand]

Boxing was here before UFC, it will be here LONG after that WWF-inspired hype has faded away. :yep

:good

[chewy 22]

This is a good thread, but it's unfortunate that it needs to attack MMA on the way. Mixed martial arts are actually about to hit a high water mark--unification of the two major titles (Pride and the UFC) is underway. It's finally coming of age as a sport.

As for boxing, it will (I hope) continue to grow stronger. All of the P4P talent is concentrated in one division (welter) and the matchups are starting to be made. Heavyweight is also looking better, and is even facing partial unification (!).

And Zakman, enough with the pro-wrestling allusions. It's silly. :roll:

you make some good points bud, but this ' boxing is dying ' myth was pedalled by the MMA crowd, so why cant the same be done when the opposite is true, and thier sport is :tired

i think Zakman made a good comparison with UFC and WWE...WWE's success comes in cycles, so will UFCs. because both are very similar in that they ride the crest of popularity on the way up, over saturating so that no dime is missed, but consequently everyone gets sick of it then it it dies down again.:deal Its already hapening

[MrSmall]

To be honest, 2007 has some EXCELLENT big fights.

[Dostoevsky]

2007 has been a great year for boxing, long may it reign. Why people thought a sport that has existed in its current rules for 120 years will disappear within a few years is beyond me.

However, its a pity the insecure and ignorant boxing fans have to come here and bash MMA. :roll:
Both sports are alive and kicking, and will do fine.

[Smazz20]

I've got no grudge against MMA, I just very rarely watch it. I also, genuinely believe, it will fade out. To me at least, it dosen't have any real substance. I realsie to plenty of people it does and is currently the most fascinating thing in their lives, but it just dosen't do it for me. Watching MMA would be akin to eating spaghetti bologneses without the bolognese!!

With boxing, at least you get a chance to watch certain fighters progress in their careers. You can see them steadily increase the level of competition and watch to see how far they can go. Yes, boxing has it's faults but when it's at it's absolute best, there is not other sport on earth that can touch it.

[chewy 22]

2007 has been a great year for boxing, long may it reign. Why people thought a sport that has existed in its current rules for 120 years will disappear within a few years is beyond me.

However, its a pity the insecure and ignorant boxing fans have to come here and bash MMA. :roll:
Both sports are alive and kicking, and will do fine.

listen im a fan of MMA, combat sports is combat sports. but it annoys me how MMA is getting equal treatment in some sections of media and amongst fans, its almost like political correctness, like believing a women can do every job a man can do. Its clearly inferior, but amongst all the hype/ bullshit/ image and SPIN the message is lost.

No boxing fan cant tell me that this year and its success hasnt tasted sweeter due to all the heckling that 'boxing is dying' from the MSM/MMA crowd :bart

[Dostoevsky]

It annoys you that MMA is getting equal coverage with boxing? Why? what makes you an authority on what gets shown?

If there is interest in a sport, it will be shown on TV. Does it annoy you that NASCAR gets more coverage than boxing?
Do you think Boxing deserves the limelight more than MMA? If so thats your opinion, but don't try and create a thread and say its 'obviously inferior' because not everyone agrees with you, thats you opinion, you state that as if it's fact, which your word is not.
The fact that last year UFC had more PPV buys than boxing combined proves that point.

[nfc90210]

Boxing and MMA are too separate sports. There is some overlap but, in truth, they will live and die by their own actions.

MMA is having a good year. Anyone who says that it is faltering is mistaken. Thus far, this year, there has been a, "Sports Illustrated" cover story on MMA. MMA debuted on Showtime in the form of Elite XC. They must be happy because they are letting Elite XC debut a new show called SHOXC, which is going to showcase up and coming talent.

ESPN have jumped on board giving the sport genuine coverage, something they thought was below them in the past. Other media outlets have started giving MMA coverage as a “real” sport as well and not just as some freak show type deal.

Zuffa buying Pride, and also re-launching the WEC, means that most of the best fighters in the world have an opportunity of fighting one another. This September the first Pride/UFC unification bout takes place.

The last UFC Spike TV show, which went against the Hatton fight, did good ratings.

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The 2.0 rating was the second-highest for a Spike TV UFC broadcast since The Ultimate Fighter 3 Finale in June 2006. Only the “Ortiz vs. Shamrock III” broadcast from October 2006 drew a higher rating (3.1).
According to Spike TV, Saturday’s audience peaked with 3.4 million viewers at 11:30 p.m. ET — the approximate start time of Penn and Pulver’s fight.
MMA has made huge strides this year as a sport. I cannot see how anyone can argue differently.

Boxing is doing well this year, not that it was ever truly doing badly, that doesn’t mean that therefore ergo MMA is faltering.

[nfc90210]

Boxing and MMA are too separate sports. There is some overlap but, in truth, they will live and die by their own actions.

MMA is having a good year. Anyone who says that it is faltering is mistaken. Thus far, this year, there has been a, "Sports Illustrated" cover story on MMA. MMA debuted on Showtime in the form of Elite XC. They must be happy because they are letting Elite XC debut a new show called SHOXC, which is going to showcase up and coming talent.

ESPN have jumped on board giving the sport genuine coverage, something they thought was below them in the past. Other media outlets have started giving MMA coverage as a “real” sport as well and not just as some freak show type deal.

Zuffa buying Pride, and also re-launching the WEC, means that most of the best fighters in the world have an opportunity of fighting one another. This September the first Pride/UFC unification bout takes place.

The last UFC Spike TV show, which went against the Hatton fight, did good ratings.

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

The 2.0 rating was the second-highest for a Spike TV UFC broadcast since The Ultimate Fighter 3 Finale in June 2006. Only the “Ortiz vs. Shamrock III” broadcast from October 2006 drew a higher rating (3.1).
According to Spike TV, Saturday’s audience peaked with 3.4 million viewers at 11:30 p.m. ET — the approximate start time of Penn and Pulver’s fight.
MMA has made huge strides this year as a sport. I cannot see how anyone can argue differently.

Boxing is doing well this year, not that it was ever truly doing badly, that doesn’t mean that therefore ergo MMA is faltering.

[nfc90210]

Boxing and MMA are two separate sports. There is some overlap but, in truth, they will live and die by their own actions.

MMA is having a good year. Anyone who says otherwise is mistaken. Thus far this year there has been a, "Sports Illustrated" cover story on MMA. MMA debuted on Showtime in the form of Elite XC. They must be happy with the ratings because they're letting Elite XC debut a new show called SHOXC, which is going to showcase up and coming talent.

ESPN have jumped on board giving the sport genuine coverage, something they thought was below them in the past. Other media outlets have started giving MMA coverage as a “real” sport as well and not just as some freak show type deal.

Zuffa buying Pride, and also re-launching the WEC, means that most of the best fighters in the world have an opportunity of fighting one another. This September the first Pride/UFC unification bout takes place.

The last UFC show on Spike TV show did good ratings.

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

The 2.0 rating was the second-highest for a Spike TV UFC broadcast since The Ultimate Fighter 3 Finale in June 2006. Only the “Ortiz vs. Shamrock III” broadcast from October 2006 drew a higher rating (3.1).

According to Spike TV, Saturday’s audience peaked with 3.4 million viewers at 11:30 p.m. ET — the approximate start time of Penn and Pulver’s fight.

MMA has made huge strides this year as a sport. I cannot see how anyone can argue differently.

Boxing is doing well this year, not that it was ever doing badly, that doesn’t mean that therefore ergo MMA is faltering.

[chewy 22]

some echo in here

[chewy 22]

The fact that last year UFC had more PPV buys than boxing combined proves that point.

You'd have noticed in the thread title that it said 'boxing is back on its feet', and in the first post i said that this year (2007) has been 'a great year for boxing'. so far. From there you give me last years ppv numbers. 2006's. So how does that prove your point? Whats the relative numbers this year? Does MMA have higher buys? Boxing's had a tremendous year. hence the 'great' year. so you've proved hee haw :hi:
it proves that in the future UFC is going to have a high and maybe a very low low, the honeymoon periods over
Whats up this year for MMA's Biggest star, Chuck Liddell? Keith Jardine? Rampage Jackson vs Dan Henderson? :rofl

Boxings got Hatton-Mayweather, Pavlik-Taylor, Kessler-Calzaghe, Barrera-Pacquio, Cotto-Mosley (maybe), Haye-Mormeck, Marquez-Vazquez...thats 7 fights for the ring belt

MMA's lost momentum quick, this Sean Sherk things not goin to help

[Dostoevsky]

You clearly have no clue about MMA if you think Jackson vs Henderson is a bad fight or a laughable one. (as your emoticon indicates)
Chuck Liddell is MMA's biggest star but by no means is he the best.

the MMA 'boom' is just beginning with the Pride fighters coming over and starting to unify, the UFC and MMA will be stronger than ever.

[Zakman]

And Zakman, enough with the pro-wrestling allusions. It's silly. :roll:
The comparison is not based on what goes on in the ring, clearly WWF is fake - while UFC is legitimate, if boring, athletic competition. The WWF similarities are found in the absurd way this stuff is promoted - which IS straight out of Vince McMahon's playbook, and not at all like legitimate sports. The macho posturing in the ring, talking on the microphone to the crowd, the ring entrances, even the "cage match" thing - all of it reaks of WWF. And there's a reason for that - the fanbases are not dissimilar, mostly young males who likely grew up as fans of WWF.

Ten years ago if someone held an event called "Rage in the Cage" who would've been sponsoring it?? Nowadays you don't know if it's WWF or UFC!!:patsch

[Cerberus]

MMA is here to stay, and boxing fans should thank MMA for the new atmosphere in which top boxers are again challenging each other, and boxing promoters and managers are once again letting their undefeated fighters fight in competitive matches. Competition always breeds excellence, and when boxing had no competition for "fight fans" the excellence diminished. Now boxing is starting to ramp up the show, and you can bet your house that the success of MMA had a lot to do with the new attitude.

I know the posters on this board will not agree with you, but I do see your point. A lot of big fights are being signed this year in boxing, partially because MMA has become a substitute for boxing for some people, and boxing promoters are forced to make the fights that fans want to see.

And as much as people want to say "Boxing is boxing and MMA is MMA, two totally different sports." You can't ignore the fact that both boxing and MMA showcase their best bouts on Saturday nights and once in awhile, the two sports will go head-to-head.

I'm not saying MMA is fully responsible for Calzaghe vs Kessler or Taylor vs Pavlik being signed, but you can't ignore MMA's growing presence on today's casual sports fans and its indirect effect on boxing.

[cross_trainer]

The comparison is not based on what goes on in the ring, clearly WWF is fake - while UFC is legitimate, if boring, athletic competition. The WWF similarities are found in the absurd way this stuff is promoted - which IS straight out of Vince McMahon's playbook, and not at all like legitimate sports. The macho posturing in the ring, talking on the microphone to the crowd, the ring entrances, even the "cage match" thing - all of it reaks of WWF. And there's a reason for that - the fanbases are not dissimilar, mostly young males who likely grew up as fans of WWF.

Ten years ago if someone held an event called "Rage in the Cage" who would've been sponsoring it?? Nowadays you don't know if it's WWF or UFC!!:patsch
You make a good point with your "rage in the cage" comment (I found it amusing, anyway :D), but one or two things:

1. The ring entrances are considerably less extreme than many recent boxing ones. In fact, I cannot call to mind a crazy UFC entrance. PRIDE is a little more theatrical, but the UFC is generally not.

2. The cage wasn't adapted from professional wrestling. When the UFC began, the targeted demographic was the martial arts community--to determine which style was the best. Only as time went on (after the first two or three) did they realize that pro wrestling fans liked the UFC. But the cage was there from the first, as the most neutral venue for all styles, since grappling fighters have a tendency to roll out of rings.

3. When UFC fighters talk to the crowd, they are often rather humbly explaining how they won, or discussing their future plans. Not much like the crazy WWF posturing.

[cross_trainer]

And yeah, MMA guys were claiming that boxing was dying. I found the assertion rather obnoxious. But look on the bright side--it helped force boxing to get its act together!

[cross_trainer]

how so? what did boxing do?

Partial unification in the heavyweight division, the Kessler/Calzaghe unification, Mayweather apparently finally fighting Hatton, the welterweight division sorting itself out.

Not an amazing recovery, but a very good start.

[cross_trainer]

i doubt that they did any of that because of the UFC. boxing, even in its worst state is still bigger than MMA.

Considering that promoters are in charge of much of the matchmaking, I'm sure they had a hand in it as well. HBO might be a bit more adamant than normal about putting the money up as well.

[Zakman]

Partial unification in the heavyweight division, the Kessler/Calzaghe unification, Mayweather apparently finally fighting Hatton, the welterweight division sorting itself out.

Not an amazing recovery, but a very good start.
You raise a good point, and it may indeed be that the pressure from the upstart UFC is leading, and will continue to lead, to a renaissance in boxing.

Doesn't mean that some of us old-time curmudgeonly boxing fans have to like it, though!!:D:lol:

[cross_trainer]

You raise a good point, and it may indeed be that the pressure from the upstart UFC is leading, and will continue to lead, to a renaissance in boxing.

Doesn't mean that some of us old-time curmudgeonly boxing fans have to like it, though!!:D:lol:
I hope you can see through the superficial hype and appreciate the depth of the sport eventually. It should appeal to an otherwise open-minded guy like yourself--dozens of martial traditions going back hundreds of years have been invested in it...with the Sweet Science sharing pride of place alongside kickboxing, BJJ, and wrestling.

The UFC confirms that boxing is one of the four best martial arts on earth...what's not to like? :D

[Zakman]

I hope you can see through the superficial hype and appreciate the depth of the sport eventually. It should appeal to an otherwise open-minded guy like yourself--dozens of martial traditions going back hundreds of years have been invested in it...with the Sweet Science sharing pride of place alongside kickboxing, BJJ, and wrestling.

The UFC confirms that boxing is one of the four best martial arts on earth...what's not to like? :D

I do appreciate that, and I hate to disappoint you or sound like an irascible old boxing fan, but I tried to watch this stuff, and while I was dead wrong that it was "brutal" as I heard, it just doesn't "grab" me the way boxing does.:-(

All shit talking aside, I know what it is. I never liked wrestling, either - I mean REAL college-level wrestling. As I've said about UFC, to me it's just a couple of guys rolling around on the ground, and I don't find it the least bit entertaining. Yeah, when they get up and throw each other around, and maybe throw some punches - but then it's back to the floor, rolling around.:verysad

I like kickboxing a lot better. There's some guy named Cung Lee I've seen on some of these shows who seems pretty good. At least those guys MOVE AROUND and do something that creates interest and excitement. But NOTHING excites or entertains like boxing, nothing.

[Kenny]

If you don't think boxers also use hormones, just like all other athletes you are mistaken. I train athletes and let me tell you, MANY boxers have asked me questions about hormones.
In any sport and in anything in life if you wanna be the best, if you are willing to have your face punched in then you are certainitly willing to use a male hormone to help you recover from training, make you feel fresh, healthy and strong. Read the book grow young with hgh and you'll soon see. Also read the book, death in the locker room from the early 80's ...many athletes inetrviewed from all sports said, "everyone I know takes something".

By the way, the authors of death in the locker room, bob goldman and dr ronald klatz continued research and wrote another book in the 90's...that's grow young with hgh and encourages use and proper hormone levels to feel and be your best.

Anyone that is an athlete and accepts the fact that your body will no longer produce hormones after 30 and does nothing about it is not too smart.

In ten years, take it from me there will be no more testing for hormones because you simply can not tell a 30 years old, 40 year old that they have to accept aging and the diseases associated with it. Try telling that to a 40 year old women using her steroid; estrogen and progesterone and you qwill see millions of pissed off women matrching at the white house...male hormone rplacement is the same thing as is growth hormone.
Doctors are now using growth hormone to regenerate fractured bone faster, prevent joint replacement due to arthritis....

Lets see where the future takes use, because the news with there sensationalism, bullshit "experts" are being proven wrong every single day.

As of now the only real people out spoken about it are a majority sports reporters and fans....not athletes...why do you think that is?

Unless you actually are in the arena, competing (like the Roosevelt speech says) you do not, could not and will not understand.

[Kenny]

I do appreciate that, and I hate to disappoint you or sound like an irascible old boxing fan, but I tried to watch this stuff, and while I was dead wrong that it was "brutal" as I heard, it just doesn't "grab" me the way boxing does.:-(

All shit talking aside, I know what it is. I never liked wrestling, either - I mean REAL college-level wrestling. As I've said about UFC, to me it's just a couple of guys rolling around on the ground, and I don't find it the least bit entertaining. Yeah, when they get up and throw each other around, and maybe throw some punches - but then it's back to the floor, rolling around.:verysad

I like kickboxing a lot better. There's some guy named Cung Lee I've seen on some of these shows who seems pretty good. At least those guys MOVE AROUND and do something that creates interest and excitement. But NOTHING excites or entertains like boxing, nothing.

and this is the problem with the mainstream mma fans...they really do NOT get jui jitsu. I will say this, try it and you will think way differently...it is incredibly difficult and challenging. I appreciate it for what it is and it is incredible.
Also, like a couiple weeks ago, a person I know, Phil Baroni, was toe to toe with a guy, absorbing and given blows with 4 oz gloves on....4oz.....these guys that take shots like that are incredibly tough.
Also, if you have a friend that can give you a rear naked choke, have him do it and do NOT tap out and simply pass out....just like Phil, the warrior did and then tell me you don't appreciuate it.

[whatfruit]

Friday night Fight Nights has been a really good influence for casual boxing fans and attracting more. For example in my local pub they recently got sky sports about a year ago. On fridays they used to put crap on the TV like darts, motor sport or golf. I used to go every friday and aske them to turn it over to the boxing which the landlord had no idea that it was shown. After a few monthst the pub was actually attracting more punters becasue people were coming into the pub to watch the fights and they began to take an intrest in the fighters and the divisions and they prefered it to the Pay per view fights becasue they thought that u see less mismatches and more competivtive fights in the lower rankings.

[cross_trainer]

I do appreciate that, and I hate to disappoint you or sound like an irascible old boxing fan, but I tried to watch this stuff, and while I was dead wrong that it was "brutal" as I heard, it just doesn't "grab" me the way boxing does.:-(

All shit talking aside, I know what it is. I never liked wrestling, either - I mean REAL college-level wrestling. As I've said about UFC, to me it's just a couple of guys rolling around on the ground, and I don't find it the least bit entertaining. Yeah, when they get up and throw each other around, and maybe throw some punches - but then it's back to the floor, rolling around.:verysad

I like kickboxing a lot better. There's some guy named Cung Lee I've seen on some of these shows who seems pretty good. At least those guys MOVE AROUND and do something that creates interest and excitement. But NOTHING excites or entertains like boxing, nothing.

Yeah, Cung Le is a pretty entertaining guy. His rules allow for takedowns, incidentally, and he's making the transition to MMA. So far, he's taken part in a fight that many consider one of the best, most unorthodox "striking" displays they've seen in MMA (although it was against a tomato can).

Perhaps Judo would be more to your liking...

[mad_takamura]

boxing is for real! it's been here for too long and for me it's an art. there is real danger all the time ,there are taking chances all the time ,you'll sure to get hit all the time, and there is using your head all the time like a chess game. in ufc, once you get tackled down by a grappler it's all over no matter how hard you use your head:patsch :patsch :patsch it's just getting the first move and it's over!:!: where's the thrill in that? in boxing there are conflicting styles like a boxer vs. a brawler, and you don't have to get on the ground to see who wins coz both of you will be exchanging blows standing up and you can't really say that a boxer would win or a brawler will win that's what makes it exciting to watch!:good :good :good

[chewy 22]

Friday night Fight Nights has been a really good influence for casual boxing fans and attracting more. For example in my local pub they recently got sky sports about a year ago. On fridays they used to put crap on the TV like darts, motor sport or golf. I used to go every friday and aske them to turn it over to the boxing which the landlord had no idea that it was shown. After a few monthst the pub was actually attracting more punters becasue people were coming into the pub to watch the fights and they began to take an intrest in the fighters and the divisions and they prefered it to the Pay per view fights becasue they thought that u see less mismatches and more competivtive fights in the lower rankings.

agreed :good friday fight nights have really stepped up...espn knows the score now. they also have the best commentary team

[USMCGixxer6]

UFCs rise has been good for boxing, but I do feel the UFC has plateaud some and will fall a little.

Like boxing it will have its ups and downs, but will always have the hardcore fans.