Who really cares about all of these weight classes?

[Action]

When John L. Sullivan announced to a saloon-full "I can lick any sonavabitch in the house" he didn't seperate them by weight class. He meant ANY. He was the strongest and the best and challenged all comers.
I say boxing should go back to those days. Screw all of the weight classes and all of the championship categories. I want to know who can lick any sonavabitch in the house!
People critisize Holyfield, Jirov and even Byrd. So let them fight the best and see who is the toughest. If Mayweather or Pacquiao or Hatton is the best then lets match them with Holyfield or Jirov and see who wins. All of these weight classes are ridiculous and they are in place only to make money for the alphabet organizations. Meanwhile boxing fans have left the sport in part because there are too many weight classes and champions especially at the lighter weight divisions. Alot of casual fans think that the Jr. classes are either amateurs or under 18 years old. And can anyone take a flyweight, strawweight, minimumweight and even a flea-weight serious. Who the eff really cares? I am a long time boxing fan and I don't know any champion under welterweight and don't even care because I outweigh them by 100pounds and could probably kick thier asses in a phone booth.
When I go to the race track I am interested in the horses and not the jockeys.

The NFL is the best of football but you don't see weight classes on linemen and Payton Manning has to dodge Igor Olshansky though outweighed by 80 lbs.
Nor are there restrictions in the NBA. Spud Webb had to go over Shaq just like anyone else.

Lets see who the toughest sonavabitch in the house is and match anyone who thinks that they can beat the next guy whether or not its a 145 pounder taking on a heavyweight. If they get beat oh well at least they tried and if they win then they are a real champion.

[psychopath]

When John L. Sullivan announced to a saloon-full "I can lick any sonavabitch in the house" he didn't seperate them by weight class. He meant ANY. He was the strongest and the best and challenged all comers.
I say boxing should go back to those days. Screw all of the weight classes and all of the championship categories. I want to know who can lick any sonavabitch in the house!
People critisize Holyfield, Jirov and even Byrd. So let them fight the best and see who is the toughest. If Mayweather or Pacquiao or Hatton is the best then lets match them with Holyfield or Jirov and see who wins. All of these weight classes are ridiculous and they are in place only to make money for the alphabet organizations. Meanwhile boxing fans have left the sport in part because there are too many weight classes and champions especially at the lighter weight divisions. Alot of casual fans think that the Jr. classes are either amateurs or under 18 years old. And can anyone take a flyweight, strawweight, minimumweight and even a flea-weight serious. Who the eff really cares? I am a long time boxing fan and I don't know any champion under welterweight and don't even care because I outweigh them by 100pounds and could probably kick thier asses in a phone booth.
When I go to the race track I am interested in the horses and not the jockeys.

The NFL is the best of football but you don't see weight classes on linemen and Payton Manning has to dodge Igor Olshansky though outweighed by 80 lbs.
Nor are there restrictions in the NBA. Spud Webb had to go over Shaq just like anyone else.

Lets see who the toughest sonavabitch in the house is and match anyone who thinks that they can beat the next guy whether or not its a 145 pounder taking on a heavyweight. If they get beat oh well at least they tried and if they win then they are a real champion.

You should be watching the gladiators fight to death in Ancient Rome.
:D :lol:

:good

[Mrboogie23]

When John L. Sullivan announced to a saloon-full "I can lick any sonavabitch in the house" he didn't seperate them by weight class. He meant ANY. He was the strongest and the best and challenged all comers.
I say boxing should go back to those days. Screw all of the weight classes and all of the championship categories. I want to know who can lick any sonavabitch in the house!
People critisize Holyfield, Jirov and even Byrd. So let them fight the best and see who is the toughest. If Mayweather or Pacquiao or Hatton is the best then lets match them with Holyfield or Jirov and see who wins. All of these weight classes are ridiculous and they are in place only to make money for the alphabet organizations. Meanwhile boxing fans have left the sport in part because there are too many weight classes and champions especially at the lighter weight divisions. Alot of casual fans think that the Jr. classes are either amateurs or under 18 years old. And can anyone take a flyweight, strawweight, minimumweight and even a flea-weight serious. Who the eff really cares? I am a long time boxing fan and I don't know any champion under welterweight and don't even care because I outweigh them by 100pounds and could probably kick thier asses in a phone booth.
When I go to the race track I am interested in the horses and not the jockeys.

The NFL is the best of football but you don't see weight classes on linemen and Payton Manning has to dodge Igor Olshansky though outweighed by 80 lbs.
Nor are there restrictions in the NBA. Spud Webb had to go over Shaq just like anyone else.

Lets see who the toughest sonavabitch in the house is and match anyone who thinks that they can beat the next guy whether or not its a 145 pounder taking on a heavyweight. If they get beat oh well at least they tried and if they win then they are a real champion.



you're hardcore boxing fan but dont know champs below junior welterweight?

dumb. some of the best fighters in the world fight below 140 pounds.

[hopkinsfan07]

is this a joke lol

[Action]

you're hardcore boxing fan but dont know champs below junior welterweight?

dumb. some of the best fighters in the world fight below 140 pounds.

If they are the best fighters then I say let them fight as man to man against Holyfield and Klitchko. Lets see who is the best. Not just the best at 140 pounds. What then about 141 pounds or 139 pounds? What BS it all is!

[a.arthur.h]

:huh:blood
I'm debating whether to leave a legitimate response..but I don't know if anyone can reason with stupidity on this level.:scaredas:Please, please, please tell me this is a loke :rofl

[Action]

:huh:blood
I'm debating whether to leave a legitimate response..but I don't know if anyone can reason with stupidity on this level.:scaredas:Please, please, please tell me this is a loke :rofl


MMA has five weight classes. Boxing has SEVENTEEN! Why not go for a weight class at every pound? Why stop there? It can be split into decimals of pounds.
I want to see the biggest and the best just like the NFL or the NBA or the NHL. Not some 102 pound jr. interim continental youth title fight.
What BS!

[psychopath]

MMA has five weight classes. Boxing has SEVENTEEN! Why not go for a weight class at every pound? Why stop there? It can be split into decimals of pounds.
I want to see the biggest and the best just like the NFL or the NBA or the NHL. Not some 102 pound jr. interim continental youth title fight.
What BS!

What the fuck are u whinning about kid? MMA is MMA, NFL is NFL and boxing is boxing, these are sports bounded by different rules . . . lighten up!

[Maxmomer]

Wasn't Jack Dempsey the one that said that?

[thewoo]

This thread is so idiotic on so many levels that I can not believe that I am even responding but.

John L Sullivan did not take on all comers he adamatly refused to fight any black man.

[Action]

What the fuck are whinning about kid? MMA is MMA, NFL is NFL and boxing is boxing, these are sports bounded by different rules . . . lighten up!

First of all I am not a kid. When I was a kid there were 8 weight classes and other kids knew who the champions were. There is no one on this forum who can name from memory who the champions are AND there is no one who can even name the weight dividions.
I want to know who is the toughest sonanvabitch in the house is and not the best 102 lb. interim continental youth champion. Why take the chihuahuas serious when the real fighters are the pit bulls? The chihuahuas may be entertaining but they are not the best.

[KO Boxing]

When John L. Sullivan announced to a saloon-full "I can lick any sonavabitch in the house" he didn't seperate them by weight class. He meant ANY. He was the strongest and the best and challenged all comers.
I say boxing should go back to those days. Screw all of the weight classes and all of the championship categories. I want to know who can lick any sonavabitch in the house!
People critisize Holyfield, Jirov and even Byrd. So let them fight the best and see who is the toughest. If Mayweather or Pacquiao or Hatton is the best then lets match them with Holyfield or Jirov and see who wins. All of these weight classes are ridiculous and they are in place only to make money for the alphabet organizations. Meanwhile boxing fans have left the sport in part because there are too many weight classes and champions especially at the lighter weight divisions. Alot of casual fans think that the Jr. classes are either amateurs or under 18 years old. And can anyone take a flyweight, strawweight, minimumweight and even a flea-weight serious. Who the eff really cares? I am a long time boxing fan and I don't know any champion under welterweight and don't even care because I outweigh them by 100pounds and could probably kick thier asses in a phone booth.
When I go to the race track I am interested in the horses and not the jockeys.

The NFL is the best of football but you don't see weight classes on linemen and Payton Manning has to dodge Igor Olshansky though outweighed by 80 lbs.
Nor are there restrictions in the NBA. Spud Webb had to go over Shaq just like anyone else.

Lets see who the toughest sonavabitch in the house is and match anyone who thinks that they can beat the next guy whether or not its a 145 pounder taking on a heavyweight. If they get beat oh well at least they tried and if they win then they are a real champion.
:patsch

Long time fan and don't know a champ under welter?

Get the fuck out of here!

NFL is a game. Boxing is a true sport. Anybody can get a team of giants to run over a team of midgets. Does that prove the giants have skill? No, matching the giants against other giants the same size is the only way to determine that.

Hence Boxing... a TRUE sport, with weight classes.

[thewoo]

I thikn this guy is on to something. Why stop with just eliminating weight classes though. What good is it to know that you can simply whoop every man. We should match fuckers up against silver back apes and lions and shit.

[KO Boxing]

I thikn this guy is on to something. Why stop with just eliminating weight classes though. What good is it to know that you can simply whoop every man. We should match fuckers up against silver back apes and lions and shit.
:rofl :lol: :good

[Mrboogie23]

First of all I am not a kid. When I was a kid there were 8 weight classes and other kids knew who the champions were. There is no one on this forum who can name from memory who the champions are AND there is no one who can even name the weight dividions.
I want to know who is the toughest sonanvabitch in the house is and not the best 102 lb. interim continental youth champion. Why take the chihuahuas serious when the real fighters are the pit bulls? The chihuahuas may be entertaining but they are not the best.


:roll:


you dont sound like a boxing fan. There have been different weight classes in boxing for a long time. I have a feeling you're trolling trying to get a rise out of people.

I'm POSITIVE there are posters on this site who can name all the weight classes and champions of every weight class. I'm sure I could come pretty damn close.

[KO Boxing]

He brought up MMA. Maybe he's a MMA fan trying to discredit boxing?

:-(

MMA... :lol: :patsch

[Kostya Zoo]

...And can anyone take a flyweight, strawweight, minimumweight and even a flea-weight serious. Who the eff really cares? I am a long time boxing fan and I don't know any champion under welterweight and don't even care because I outweigh them by 100pounds and could probably kick thier asses in a phone booth.


fatass

[theunderdog]

flyweight with a gun ktfo 1 wlad!

seriously bro, if you take all the rules away, it wouldn't be boxing. if you take away weight classes, all that we will see if john ruiz hugging and pushing everybody else and he could be the best boxer in the world.

this is the stupidest thread ever.

[KO Boxing]

john ruiz hugging and pushing everybody else
Hmmm... That's what MMA basically is today, so maybe that was his motivation for this thread???

[Irish Steel]

it would kind of be cool actually. But you couldnt call it boxing.

[compukiller]

When John L. Sullivan announced to a saloon-full "I can lick any sonavabitch in the house" he didn't seperate them by weight class. He meant ANY. He was the strongest and the best and challenged all comers.
I say boxing should go back to those days. Screw all of the weight classes and all of the championship categories. I want to know who can lick any sonavabitch in the house!
People critisize Holyfield, Jirov and even Byrd. So let them fight the best and see who is the toughest. If Mayweather or Pacquiao or Hatton is the best then lets match them with Holyfield or Jirov and see who wins. All of these weight classes are ridiculous and they are in place only to make money for the alphabet organizations. Meanwhile boxing fans have left the sport in part because there are too many weight classes and champions especially at the lighter weight divisions. Alot of casual fans think that the Jr. classes are either amateurs or under 18 years old. And can anyone take a flyweight, strawweight, minimumweight and even a flea-weight serious. Who the eff really cares? I am a long time boxing fan and I don't know any champion under welterweight and don't even care because I outweigh them by 100pounds and could probably kick thier asses in a phone booth.
When I go to the race track I am interested in the horses and not the jockeys.

The NFL is the best of football but you don't see weight classes on linemen and Payton Manning has to dodge Igor Olshansky though outweighed by 80 lbs.
Nor are there restrictions in the NBA. Spud Webb had to go over Shaq just like anyone else.

Lets see who the toughest sonavabitch in the house is and match anyone who thinks that they can beat the next guy whether or not its a 145 pounder taking on a heavyweight. If they get beat oh well at least they tried and if they win then they are a real champion.


Post of the Year:good

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[Zakman]

When John L. Sullivan announced to a saloon-full "I can lick any sonavabitch in the house" he didn't seperate them by weight class. He meant ANY. He was the strongest and the best and challenged all comers.
I say boxing should go back to those days. Screw all of the weight classes and all of the championship categories. I want to know who can lick any sonavabitch in the house!
People critisize Holyfield, Jirov and even Byrd. So let them fight the best and see who is the toughest. If Mayweather or Pacquiao or Hatton is the best then lets match them with Holyfield or Jirov and see who wins. All of these weight classes are ridiculous and they are in place only to make money for the alphabet organizations. Meanwhile boxing fans have left the sport in part because there are too many weight classes and champions especially at the lighter weight divisions. Alot of casual fans think that the Jr. classes are either amateurs or under 18 years old. And can anyone take a flyweight, strawweight, minimumweight and even a flea-weight serious. Who the eff really cares? I am a long time boxing fan and I don't know any champion under welterweight and don't even care because I outweigh them by 100pounds and could probably kick thier asses in a phone booth.


Lets see who the toughest sonavabitch in the house is and match anyone who thinks that they can beat the next guy whether or not its a 145 pounder taking on a heavyweight. If they get beat oh well at least they tried and if they win then they are a real champion.

Interesting post, and despite all the ridicule you will undoubtedly get, not quite as ridiculous as its seems. In the early years of boxing, you did have guys who would move from the MW level all the way up to HW. I must say I like it when guys like Toney, Byrd or Jones try to replicate the sorts of achievements made by guys like Bob Fitzsimmons or Sam Langford 100 or so years ago.

Of course, they face more formitable challenges than fighters of 100 years ago, since they are often going up against guys who would have been regarded as giants back then. And these so-called super-heavyweights are more skilled than the few giants of the old days, like Jess Willard. In some respects, that makes the achievements of guys like Byrd perhaps even more impressive.

In sum, I don't know if your idea is really as workable today, at least on to the extent that it was 100 years ago. And for fighters below 160 or 168, I'd say its pretty much impossible. Even old-time boxing had SOME weight-classes. The problem today is not weight-classes as such, but that there are WAY too many.

[karmazon]

I actually like this idea. They should also give the boxer's swords and other weapons, since the fights are sometimes boring when two very tactical fighters meet. Also, instead of the ropes, they should have barbed wire, in case on of the fighters wants to quit(and therefore making it impossible to see that he can lick the other sunavabitch).

[psychopath]

First of all I am not a kid. When I was a kid there were 8 weight classes and other kids knew who the champions were. There is no one on this forum who can name from memory who the champions are AND there is no one who can even name the weight dividions.
I want to know who is the toughest sonanvabitch in the house is and not the best 102 lb. interim continental youth champion. Why take the chihuahuas serious when the real fighters are the pit bulls? The chihuahuas may be entertaining but they are not the best.

Yeah when you were a kid. :lol: :lol: :lol: That means you grew old and can't cope up with the changes around you.

Don't watch the chihuahuas . . . watch the gorilla's shithead. :yep

[hopkinsfan07]

i am a boxing fan but couldent tell u all 4 champs of the 105 pound limet Calderon is the only one i can name off the top of my head its not the weights whats the problem here its that there not shown as much


even though 95% of what he said is bullshit i really dont know why there is a 105 and 108 divison why are the smaller divisons have smaller gaps between weight from about welter up its a difference of about 5 pounds which is ok but 3 pounds is silly i think they could cut about 4 off

but the queston is what happens to the fighters and champ they cant just have there belts stripped for no reason its not fair :huh

[Action]

I thikn this guy is on to something. Why stop with just eliminating weight classes though. What good is it to know that you can simply whoop every man. We should match fuckers up against silver back apes and lions and shit.

Its not man vs animal. Its man vs man! Its the biggest and the best we are searching for. Its the champion of the world. That title used to mean something.
I want to see Hopkins fight Holyfield. Calzaghe fight Ibrgaimov and Mayweather fight Roy Jones. If pretty Boy is the best then lets put him to the test! Then I want to see the winners fight each other and not limit it to a contrived weight dividion.
Now boxing is a joke and the media hardly covers the sport. Boxing has been relegated to sites like this where there are 100 or so people reading this stuff.

[Marnoff]

Ya, I'm really in question. I want to badly know who would win between Pacquaio and Klitschko. Pacquaio's speed vs. Klitschko's power. Classic showdown. Any predictions? Klitschko's best chance is to probably go for an early low blow to establish himself and work from there.

[Action]

Ya, I'm really in question. I want to badly know who would win between Pacquaio and Klitschko. Pacquaio's speed vs. Klitschko's power. Classic showdown. Any predictions? Klitschko's best chance is to probably go for an early low blow to establish himself and work from there.

Exactly my point. Pacquaio doesn't belong. He has no chance....zero...of claiming it. The thorobreds will win the race in the fastest times and midget ponies won't even show so who cares to watch the midgets? The same thing in boxing. Why waste time on the little guys when they are not even in the same league as the the real fighters who will win. Its like watching two little kids down the block pretend that they are fighters and then the big brother comes out and mops up both of them. Pacquaio is like one of the little kids. He has to get out of the way when the big guy comes out to claim the spot.

[thunder06]

This thread is so idiotic on so many levels that I can not believe that I am even responding but.

John L Sullivan did not take on all comers he adamatly refused to fight any black man.[/

Exactly.

[ThePlugInBabies]

Exactly my point. Pacquaio doesn't belong. He has no chance....zero...of claiming it. The thorobreds will win the race in the fastest times and midget ponies won't even show so who cares to watch the midgets? The same thing in boxing. Why waste time on the little guys when they are not even in the same league as the the real fighters who will win. Its like watching two little kids down the block pretend that they are fighters and then the big brother comes out and mops up both of them. Pacquaio is like one of the little kids. He has to get out of the way when the big guy comes out to claim the spot.

yet if a fatass like yourself got in the ring with a 'midget' like pacman, he'd still smash your teeth into the frontrow.

pacman-barrera or wlad-brewster?:huh

[psychopath]

Ya, I'm really in question. I want to badly know who would win between Pacquaio and Klitschko. Pacquaio's speed vs. Klitschko's power. Classic showdown. Any predictions? Klitschko's best chance is to probably go for an early low blow to establish himself and work from there.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

And you're another dumbass. Pacquaio vs Wlad? :yep

Exactly why there's weight classification. Now answer the title of the thread. Who cares about these weight classes shithead?

[myk]

I'd rather watch two midgets give their all in the ring than two oversized men jab and hug their way for a victory.

[Mrboogie23]

Exactly my point. Pacquaio doesn't belong. He has no chance....zero...of claiming it. The thorobreds will win the race in the fastest times and midget ponies won't even show so who cares to watch the midgets? The same thing in boxing. Why waste time on the little guys when they are not even in the same league as the the real fighters who will win. Its like watching two little kids down the block pretend that they are fighters and then the big brother comes out and mops up both of them. Pacquaio is like one of the little kids. He has to get out of the way when the big guy comes out to claim the spot.


you're dumb. seriously. You're a troll. I fully believe that you're ANOTHER disgruntled MMA fan that is attempting to upset boxers. I'll never understand why MMA fans feel they have to bash boxing and vice versa.

Grow up. You think they'd let Sherk fight Fedor? dumb. while we're at it, lets let Genki Sudo fight minatauro.

[ThePlugInBabies]

I'd rather watch two midgets give their all in the ring than two oversized men jab and hug their way for a victory.

:yep :thumbsup

[Maxmomer]

Exactly my point. Pacquaio doesn't belong. He has no chance....zero...of claiming it. The thorobreds will win the race in the fastest times and midget ponies won't even show so who cares to watch the midgets? The same thing in boxing. Why waste time on the little guys when they are not even in the same league as the the real fighters who will win. Its like watching two little kids down the block pretend that they are fighters and then the big brother comes out and mops up both of them. Pacquaio is like one of the little kids. He has to get out of the way when the big guy comes out to claim the spot.

Klitschko weighs damn near twice as much as Pacquiao, of course he'd win, doesn't mean he's the better fighter. And it was Dempsey who said that, not Sullivan. Ass.

[Sonny's jab]

I actually agree with Action more than with some of the people here ridiculing his idea.

I'm not in favour of getting rid of weight classes all together, but there is no reason to have more than EIGHT divisions at the most.

Anyone who knows boxing history will know that the weight divisions were created to give "champion" status to fighters who simply weren't good enough rather than them being not big enough.
Bob Fitzsimmons and Sam Langord were so good that they fought the biggest and best, despite being 150-170 pounders. Joe Walcott was 140 pounds knocking out 175 pounders and outboxing 210 pound heavyweights, and he was only 5'2"

They were good enough therefore they were big enough. Entertaining fighters who couldn't handle fighting the biggest and best just stuck to contesting the division titles, but they were always aware that the real championship challenge was the heavyweight championship.

Eventually, competition in the divisions allowed there to be EIGHT divisions and that was more than enough, and the best middleweight and light-heavy fighters would often fight against heavyweights.

The advent of SEVENTEEN divisions has helped destroy any rational structure in boxing, often the fighters in the division below are capable of beating those above. And fighters hide from each other in these divisions. One guy will insist he's staying at 160, and another will say he's not budging from 168, and the fights are avoided.
Sugar Ray Robinson fought for the light-heavy title weighing 157.
Billy Conn fought a 200 pound Joe Louis for the HEAVYWEIGHT title weighng 169 !
Nowadays it's even more bullshit because many fighters are drying out and rehydrating, so guy's who weigh in at 168 are actually often well over 175 come fight time. In the old days this was full-blown heavyweight.

And what's the point of the cruiserweight divsion anyway ?
It used to be 190, now it's 200, and those guys are coming into the ring anything from 185 - 215 ! What's the point ?
When a man gets to 190 or 200 pounds he's near enough powerful to knock over a bull elephant anyway, so what's his excuse for not fighting the biggest and best ??
I'm pretty sure David Haye and Enzo Mac could beat all the British heavyweights above them, for example.
Truth is, oftentimes the cruiserweights are just as big as the heavyweights but they are in athletic shape.

If a soft-hitting slapsie 200 pounder like Chris Byrd can do something at heavyweight, then what excuse has any cruiserweight got ?
People wonder why the cruiser division has only produced one truly great fighter (a ATG heavyweight too, not by accident) and the answer is simply - they are there because they are not good enough, it's not that they aren't big enough.

[Marnoff]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

And you're another dumbass. Pacquaio vs Wlad? :yep

Exactly why there's weight classification. Now answer the title of the thread. Who cares about these weight classes shithead?

Ya, because I was serious, you fucking idiot.

[0-1]

One of the things I find silly about this is that there isn't anything stopping lighter fighters going after heavier ones. Floyd is a case in point, that he has gone up through several weight classes to fight bigger fighters, and against De La Hoya he didn't feel the need to use all the extra weight. So, just like in the olden days, he was fighting at a natural effective weight for him, against someone with a higher natural effective weight. These matchups can and do happen, albeit not so often, because most fighters fight below their natural effective weight, and dry out to do so, hoping that they will be more competitive relative to whoever else can dry out to that weight, than at a higher one.

Weight classes in general though, are a necessary means to establish level playing fields for different sizes of people to fight under different conditions, much like in motor racing. Saying that there's something wrong with this is akin to suggesting that there should be no limits in motor racing, just everyone make the fastest car/bike/tricycle/helicopter/moon-buggy they can and go for it! That would be a farce that wouldn't give an interesting diversity, but rather would end up with one particular type of technology prevailing and becoming the standard, made by a few firms who are invested in that. Everything else would be eliminated.
For my part, I like to see rally cars, closely related to road cars; I'm not a great fan but I can appreciate F1 cars, honed to the best internal combustion engine technology we can develop for clear road tracks; I like to see guys on two-wheels compete with each other in relative safety that wouldn't be the case with heavy four-wheelers jostling them. Each class offers a different standard, and the best within that standard. There can be crossovers, for example drivers who switch from Moto GP to F1, or companies that enter several categories, but it's silly to suggest that stock cars are rubbish because F1 cars are faster.

Lastly, with relation to the "whip everyone" idea, the heavyweight champion of the world is still meant to be that guy, because anyone of any weight could theoretically try to beat him, and presumably those not clamouring for a shot know hey wouldn't, but this doesn't make him the be all and end all of boxing. It's still interesting to see who can be best when no-one's allowed to weigh 240lbs, and if lighter fighters aren't your cup of tea then don't watch them, just like I tend to ignore F1.

[WestSideBoxer]

He brought up MMA. Maybe he's a MMA fan trying to discredit boxing?

:-(

MMA... :lol: :patsch

BINGO! :good

[thewoo]

Lion TKO2 Klitschko via mauling

Floyd easy UD Silver Back Gorilla.

[Action]

The point is: why are there numerous restrictions to size in boxing? It is not to establish the best. It is to create as much business as possible with the numerous weight classes. The NFL, NBA, NHL, speed skating, soccer and most other sports don't have divisions based upon size but upon the ability to get the job done. If you are a 235 lb. defensive lineman going against a 310 lb. offensie tackle you will probably get your butt whupped on every play. The NFL doesn't mandate weight restrictions to level the playing field or protect the participants. If you can compete you play if you can't you are out or in a minor league.
Boxing has senseless weight class divisions with multiple organizations just to create championships for sanction fees. It has watered down and neutered the term CHAMPION.

[enquirer]

Even if there was one unlimited weightclass in boxing the winner wouldnt necessarily be the best fighter in the world,he would just be the best GLOVED BOXER....So any boxer boasting he could 'lick anybody in the house' would have to make sure there were not any MMA champions or such like in the bar....To be honest with no rules and no weightclasses anybody could win,pac could bite wladimirs nose off,or punch him in the nuts....Unarmed combat is a combination of street fighting prowess and luck...We have weight divisions and rules because boxing is a SPORT and ENTERTAINMENT....You get better entertainment with skilled and closely matched fighters,with rules and gloves to make sure competitors dont sustain serious injury and to make it more aesthetically pleasing...
I think more than eight weight categories is fine,we just need to eliminate the day before weigh ins to a few hours before the fight so guys are actually fighting within their stipulated weightclasses,any boxer over the division limit IN THE RING would be disqualified...
To the original poster,boxing is a sport not a streetfight....

[0-1]

we just need to eliminate the day before weigh ins to a few hours before the fight so guys are actually fighting within their stipulated weightclasses,any boxer over the division limit IN THE RING would be disqualified...
If boxers had only a few hours to rehydrate; you'd probably end up with more dehydrated fighters in the ring, and therefore more brain injuries, because in the pursuit of winning they would still be drying out to the lowest weight possible. I think hours-before weigh-ins would be a recipe for more tragedies. Perhaps if we had a way of testing whether a fighter was dehydrated, and we could put a limit on this, then we could weigh in later, but otherwise they need time to rehydrate or they won't do it sufficiently.

[enquirer]

I was assuming boxers wouldnt be stupid enough to still dehydrate if they know they dont have enough time to re-hydrate...But if they still tried to cut water with no time to put it back on then your right some other method would be needed to ascertain if a fighter is dehydrated and if so not let him fight.....We need guys to be fighting at their natural athletic weights by whatever method can work....
My main point is boxers shouldnt have to cut any water weight before a fight and then rehydrate.....Floyd is proof of this....Cutting water weight is what is linked with brain injuries in this sport....Ban all the dieuretics and post weigh in IV fluid drips/gorges as well.....

[The Mighty One]

Too many weight classes and too many titles....we need a boxing Tea Party and make changes.

[Akxtinguish]

First of all I am not a kid. When I was a kid there were 8 weight classes and other kids knew who the champions were. There is no one on this forum who can name from memory who the champions are AND there is no one who can even name the weight dividions.

:rofl Are you being serious? People can't name the weight divisions?

:patsch

[J Griz 757]

When John L. Sullivan announced to a saloon-full "I can lick any sonavabitch in the house" he didn't seperate them by weight class. He meant ANY. He was the strongest and the best and challenged all comers.
I say boxing should go back to those days. Screw all of the weight classes and all of the championship categories. I want to know who can lick any sonavabitch in the house!
People critisize Holyfield, Jirov and even Byrd. So let them fight the best and see who is the toughest. If Mayweather or Pacquiao or Hatton is the best then lets match them with Holyfield or Jirov and see who wins. All of these weight classes are ridiculous and they are in place only to make money for the alphabet organizations. Meanwhile boxing fans have left the sport in part because there are too many weight classes and champions especially at the lighter weight divisions. Alot of casual fans think that the Jr. classes are either amateurs or under 18 years old. And can anyone take a flyweight, strawweight, minimumweight and even a flea-weight serious. Who the eff really cares? I am a long time boxing fan and I don't know any champion under welterweight and don't even care because I outweigh them by 100pounds and could probably kick thier asses in a phone booth.
When I go to the race track I am interested in the horses and not the jockeys.

The NFL is the best of football but you don't see weight classes on linemen and Payton Manning has to dodge Igor Olshansky though outweighed by 80 lbs.
Nor are there restrictions in the NBA. Spud Webb had to go over Shaq just like anyone else.

Lets see who the toughest sonavabitch in the house is and match anyone who thinks that they can beat the next guy whether or not its a 145 pounder taking on a heavyweight. If they get beat oh well at least they tried and if they win then they are a real champion.


For some reason I bet UFC is more for you.

[slim]

Some posters are attributing the lick any sonofabitch quote to Dempsey this is wrong O’sullivan is rightly attributed the quote just thought I would clear that up.

[Abdullah]

When John L. Sullivan announced to a saloon-full "I can lick any sonavabitch in the house" he didn't seperate them by weight class. He meant ANY. He was the strongest and the best and challenged all comers.
I say boxing should go back to those days. Screw all of the weight classes and all of the championship categories. I want to know who can lick any sonavabitch in the house!
People critisize Holyfield, Jirov and even Byrd. So let them fight the best and see who is the toughest. If Mayweather or Pacquiao or Hatton is the best then lets match them with Holyfield or Jirov and see who wins. All of these weight classes are ridiculous and they are in place only to make money for the alphabet organizations. Meanwhile boxing fans have left the sport in part because there are too many weight classes and champions especially at the lighter weight divisions. Alot of casual fans think that the Jr. classes are either amateurs or under 18 years old. And can anyone take a flyweight, strawweight, minimumweight and even a flea-weight serious. Who the eff really cares? I am a long time boxing fan and I don't know any champion under welterweight and don't even care because I outweigh them by 100pounds and could probably kick thier asses in a phone booth.
When I go to the race track I am interested in the horses and not the jockeys.

The NFL is the best of football but you don't see weight classes on linemen and Payton Manning has to dodge Igor Olshansky though outweighed by 80 lbs.
Nor are there restrictions in the NBA. Spud Webb had to go over Shaq just like anyone else.

Lets see who the toughest sonavabitch in the house is and match anyone who thinks that they can beat the next guy whether or not its a 145 pounder taking on a heavyweight. If they get beat oh well at least they tried and if they win then they are a real champion.

This was one of the dumber posts I have read. John L Sullivan would "lick any son of a bitch in the house" as long as he was WHITE. He ducked "The Black Prince" Peter Jackson and used the excuse "I will never fight a negro. I never have and never shall". Some champion. And this is boxing. Weight classes are needed, though not near as many as we have today. You should study a great deal more of the sweet science before leaving a ridiculous post like that.

[truushot]

The last weightclass added to boxing was added in 1987. So even if you are old it isn't like it was recent. I find it ridiculous that the lowest weight classes are only a few pounds apart but it does seem necessary. The true joke is the 50 different belts at each weightclass that leads to all the confusion. Just remember it is all about money.

[smokin_joe]

Every pound matters in boxing because it is an advantage. That's why they have weight classes. Should there be as many weight classes as they do now? Maybe not, but the depth of boxing allows it to happen and the fact that there are few dominant champions shows that there are enough competitive fights in the divisions that multiple weight classes are not as bad an idea as people think.
The reason why MMA has so few weight divisions is that the field of top class fighters are far below that of boxing. The depth isn't there so they have to consolidate a lot more.

[Scar]

Someone shoot this guy please.

[PH|LLA]

I care about weight classes

[zoo]

We should just go back to the original 8 weight classes, make light heavyweight 161-189lbs and return heavyweight to 190lbs thus elimating that cruiserweight crap. Roy Jones was proof that a skilled 190lbs heavyweight could still compete against a 220lbs+ opponent.

[mirfieldmexican]

a can name these world champions of the top of my head

dko=dont know the others
?=might be wrong, or spelt wrong

minimumweight- i have no idea (who really does:lol:)
light-flyweight- calderon(wbo), mayol(wbc) dko
flyweight- navarez?(wbo), kameda?(wba) dko
super fly- darchinyan(wbc), cazares(wba), arce?(wbo) dko
bantamweight- montiel(wbc/wbo), perez(ibf) dko
super-bantam- nishioki?(wbc), molitor(ibf), vasquez jnr(wbo) dko
featherweight- john(wba), lopez(wbo), cruz(ibf), rojas?(wbc)
super-feather- guerrero(ibf), martinez(wbo) dko
lightweight- marquez(wbo/wba), soto(wbc) (ibf vacant)
light-welter- bradley(wbo), alexander(wbc/ibf), khan(wba)
welter- pacquiao(wbo), berto(wbc), mosley?(wba) dko
light-middle- foreman(wba), spinks(ibf), martinez(wbc), dzinziruk(wbo)
middle-martinez(wbc/wbo), sturm(wba), sylvester(ibf)
super-middle- kessler(wbc), ward(wba), bute(ibf), stieglitz(wbo)
light-heavy- cloud(ibf), pascal(wbc), shumenov(wba), braehmer(wbo)
cruiser-huck(wbo), the wolf(wbc) {fuck knows how u spell it} dko
heavyweight- wlad klitschko(wbo/ibf), vitali klitschko(wbc), haye(wba)


boom there it is all the world champs that i knw of sumone can fill me in wit the blanks or if i have any wrong.

you could not bill say ivan calderon vs vitali klitschko as a competitive fight even if calderon took the haye route n pissed him of to get the fight, i would class that as man vs boy or why dont we just call it child abuse because thats what it would be.

i would have no light or super divisions n would change the weights to make it work, that way the best would have to fight the best but you carnt expect a man who weighs 115lbs to fight a man who weighs 240lbs you would just end up with old school ufc without all the dry humping.

[Golden Boy 360]

Desperate for money, Dempsey would occasionally visit saloons and challenge for fights saying "I can't sing and I can't dance, but I can lick any SOB in the house."

[Golden Boy 360]

110
120
125
135
140
147
160
175
Cruiser
200+

My opinion on how weight classes should be.

[Swarmer]

If you don't know any champs/fighters below welter you just need to get the fuck out.

[TheGreat]

a can name these world champions of the top of my head

dko=dont know the others
?=might be wrong, or spelt wrong

minimumweight- i have no idea (who really does:lol:)
light-flyweight- calderon(wbo), mayol(wbc) dko
flyweight- navarez?(wbo), kameda?(wba) dko
super fly- darchinyan(wbc), cazares(wba), arce?(wbo) dko
bantamweight- montiel(wbc/wbo), perez(ibf) dko
super-bantam- nishioki?(wbc), molitor(ibf), vasquez jnr(wbo) dko
featherweight- john(wba), lopez(wbo), cruz(ibf), rojas?(wbc)
super-feather- guerrero(ibf), martinez(wbo) dko
lightweight- marquez(wbo/wba), soto(wbc) (ibf vacant)
light-welter- bradley(wbo), alexander(wbc/ibf), khan(wba)
welter- pacquiao(wbo), berto(wbc), mosley?(wba) dko
light-middle- foreman(wba), spinks(ibf), martinez(wbc), dzinziruk(wbo)
middle-martinez(wbc/wbo), sturm(wba), sylvester(ibf)
super-middle- kessler(wbc), ward(wba), bute(ibf), stieglitz(wbo)
light-heavy- cloud(ibf), pascal(wbc), shumenov(wba), braehmer(wbo)
cruiser-huck(wbo), the wolf(wbc) {fuck knows how u spell it} dko
heavyweight- wlad klitschko(wbo/ibf), vitali klitschko(wbc), haye(wba)


boom there it is all the world champs that i knw of sumone can fill me in wit the blanks or if i have any wrong.

you could not bill say ivan calderon vs vitali klitschko as a competitive fight even if calderon took the haye route n pissed him of to get the fight, i would class that as man vs boy or why dont we just call it child abuse because thats what it would be.

i would have no light or super divisions n would change the weights to make it work, that way the best would have to fight the best but you carnt expect a man who weighs 115lbs to fight a man who weighs 240lbs you would just end up with old school ufc without all the dry humping.
While I don't agree with the TS, I do agree that there are way too many weight classes, as well as titles, IMO Every Super/Jr weight class should be eliminated, the only recent weight class that should be around is Cruiserweight.

[doylexxx]

i remember a thread liek this years ago oh wait this is it !!

[The Mighty One]

When John L. Sullivan announced to a saloon-full "I can lick any sonavabitch in the house" he didn't seperate them by weight class. He meant ANY. He was the strongest and the best and challenged all comers.
I say boxing should go back to those days. Screw all of the weight classes and all of the championship categories. I want to know who can lick any sonavabitch in the house!
People critisize Holyfield, Jirov and even Byrd. So let them fight the best and see who is the toughest. If Mayweather or Pacquiao or Hatton is the best then lets match them with Holyfield or Jirov and see who wins. All of these weight classes are ridiculous and they are in place only to make money for the alphabet organizations. Meanwhile boxing fans have left the sport in part because there are too many weight classes and champions especially at the lighter weight divisions. Alot of casual fans think that the Jr. classes are either amateurs or under 18 years old. And can anyone take a flyweight, strawweight, minimumweight and even a flea-weight serious. Who the eff really cares? I am a long time boxing fan and I don't know any champion under welterweight and don't even care because I outweigh them by 100pounds and could probably kick thier asses in a phone booth.
When I go to the race track I am interested in the horses and not the jockeys.

The NFL is the best of football but you don't see weight classes on linemen and Payton Manning has to dodge Igor Olshansky though outweighed by 80 lbs.
Nor are there restrictions in the NBA. Spud Webb had to go over Shaq just like anyone else.

Lets see who the toughest sonavabitch in the house is and match anyone who thinks that they can beat the next guy whether or not its a 145 pounder taking on a heavyweight. If they get beat oh well at least they tried and if they win then they are a real champion.

Actually this guy, Action, makes valid points. The NFL or NBA do not have weight or height divisions. Either you can play with the big boys or you can't. Using that as the standard I for one will not accept Mayweather or Pacquiao as the P4P king when I know that either Klitchko would kill them both inside a round.

[Thom]

110
120
125
135
140
147
160
175
Cruiser
200+

My opinion on how weight classes should be.:huh


If you want to do it this way, why not just the original eight plus Cruiser?

[KillSomething]

I'd much prefer see little guys go at it rather than 400lb behemoths.

Sumo wrestling doesn't have weight classes either...look what an incentive that is to be as huge as possible.

[dangerousity]

Fans have left boxing because of ppv, not weight classes.

Oh, any top 5 WW would kill you in a boxing match. Guaranteed. Ive seen HW's get handled by LW's in the gym, yet alone p4p WW's handling Mr.Average Joe like yourself.

And for the record, the baddest "sonovabitch" in the house most probably is someone like Fedor. Who would grab any boxer, pin them down and break their arms in submission.

[Marnoff]

Yawn. Not the Sullivan fairytales again.

[Hyland]

I'm a boxing fan, but I'm not going to close myself to what boxing gives me.

I really believe boxing would be better if you just had the following weight divisions

Fly - 115
Bantam - 125
Feather - 135
Light - 145
Welter - 154
Middle - 170
Crusier - 190
Heavy - 220
Super - 250

[Gander Tasco]

That original post was stupid, but I agree that boxing has way too many weight classes.

[The Mighty One]

If there HAS to be weight classes the I suggest this:

Bantam - 115

Feather - 125

Light - 135

Welter - 145

Middle - 160

Cruiser - 175

L. Heavy - 190

Heavy - 220

Super - above 220

[The Mighty One]

Fans have left boxing because of ppv, not weight classes.

Oh, any top 5 WW would kill you in a boxing match. Guaranteed. Ive seen HW's get handled by LW's in the gym, yet alone p4p WW's handling Mr.Average Joe like yourself.

And for the record, the baddest "sonovabitch" in the house most probably is someone like Fedor. Who would grab any boxer, pin them down and break their arms in submission.


PPV is one reason that fans have left but a greater reason is too mnay weight classes and "world titles". There are 10 weight classes at 140 pounds and below....that is just stupid!

I agree that the baddest man currently is Fedor. If I had to choose a fighter to be on my team the first pick would be Fedor and not Mayweather or Pacquiao.