Wladimir Klitschko's Record against Ring Magazine annuel top 10

[SuzieQ49]

Interesting statistics for you.........Wladimir Klitschkos Record against Ring Magazine annuel top 10 is 8-0(5) which is an outstanding record against ring magazine top 10. Terific.

On the flipside, you take note that all 3 of his knockout losses happened to men not rated in the ring magazine annuel top 10. Which makes all 3 losses rather extremley embarrassing.



2 interesting stat figures, that makes you question just how good wladimir is. perhaps these statistics show there is still alot left to prove since there is still alot of young talent yet to be desired out there.




ps on a side note, I am very unimpressed with wlads last two performances. While he did get the job done efficiently, he lacks the spark he once had. He now paws with his jab, which is a big mistake to do when he faces a top young fighter, he doesnt throw combinations anymore(what happened to the wlad of the 1990s who let his hands go like joe louis?), and his new style is extremley boring he seems to try to take the easy way out, all he does his clinch on the inside. i think he will eventually find his new style will be overwhelmed.


Nicolay Valuev, Ruslan Chagaev, David Haye, Alexander Potvekin, Vladimir Virchis. All these guys are potential legacy booster wins for wlad. lets see what happens.


Congrats on the win over thompson

[kenmore]

On the flipside, you take note that all 3 of his knockout losses happened to men not rated in the ring magazine annuel top 10. Which makes all 3 losses rather extremley embarrassing.


But the losses happened several years ago...is it reasonable to expect that Brewster, Sanders and Purrity should still be top 10 rated after all these years?

[mr. magoo]

A fair post from every aspect.......

Unfortunately, Wlad's losses to Brewster, Purity and Sanders will always hurt him, regardless of what he may or may not accomplish in the future. Additionally, his recent flat performances against Thompson and Ibragimov aren't going to help him much either.

His best bet, is to step it up against some of the more marketable names that are lined up for him.

[SuzieQ49]

In agreement. He has a perfect record against men rated in the top 10, and if he sweeps potvekin valuev chagaev and haye, its hard to argue hes not top 20.

[Mendoza]

Interesting statistics for you.........Wladimir Klitschkos Record against Ring Magazine annuel top 10 is 8-0(5) which is an outstanding record against ring magazine top 10. Terific.

On the flipside, you take note that all 3 of his knockout losses happened to men not rated in the ring magazine annuel top 10. Which makes all 3 losses rather extremley embarrassing.

2 interesting stat figures, that makes you question just how good wladimir is. perhaps these statistics show there is still alot left to prove since there is still alot of young talent yet to be desired out there.


ps on a side note, I am very unimpressed with wlads last two performances. While he did get the job done efficiently, he lacks the spark he once had. He now paws with his jab, which is a big mistake to do when he faces a top young fighter, he doesnt throw combinations anymore(what happened to the wlad of the 1990s who let his hands go like joe louis?), and his new style is extremley boring he seems to try to take the easy way out, all he does his clinch on the inside. i think he will eventually find his new style will be overwhelmed.

Nicolay Valuev, Ruslan Chagaev, David Haye, Alexander Potvekin, Vladimir Virchis. All these guys are potential legacy booster wins for wlad. lets see what happens.

Congrats on the win over thompson

Ring Magazine Rating is often on the slow side in recognize up and coming talent and they were not exactly giving in terms of foreign fighters until recently.

Brewster and Sanders both were ranked highly. I think Sanders was as high as #2 or #3, and Brewster #3.

I just saw the Wlad vs Thompson fight. A few things. It wasn't one of Wlad's best fights. I do not think Wlad was up to fight Thompson. I get the sense Thompson's style, durability/ long arms and defensive / counter punching type of tendencies made Wlad adjust a bit. Wlad landed plenty of good body shots, and had to go to a straight right type of jab to land on Thompson, who had his right glove pretty much glued to his face to block Wlad's left jab.

You must have missed Wlad's combinations. He threw a few of them, including one nice body punch and uppercut like Tyson's used to, but not exactly as devastating. Thompson also landed some well placed shots early, and tried to pull a Ross Purity late by covering up when the fight was lost on points barring a KO for Thompson. Wlad won’t punch himself out. In fact his stamina and power were good late in the fight. When Thompson became weak, Wlad closed the show like a champion should.

Footnote. ***Wlad is now 5-1 vs Ring Magazine Ranked southpaws ( Byrd, Byrd, Ibragimov, Thompson, and Sanders ) *** No other champion has beated this many ranked southpaws.

[SuzieQ49]

Brewster and Sanders both were ranked highly. I think Sanders was as high as #2 or #3, and Brewster #3.

You think wrong. Corrie Sanders was unrated by ring magazine heading into the wlad fight. Brewster was unrated heading into the first wlad fight. Brewster however was rated # 7 annuelly headed into the 2nd wlad fight



I just saw the Wlad vs Thompson fight. A few things. It wasn't one of Wlad's best fights. I do not think Wlad was up to fight Thompson. I get the sense Thompson's style, durability/ long arms and defensive / counter punching type of tendencies made Wlad adjust a bit. Wlad landed plenty of good body shots, and had to go to a straight right type of jab to land on Thompson, who had his right glove pretty much glued to his face to block Wlad's left jab.

You must have missed Wlad's combinations. He threw a few of them, including one nice body punch and uppercut like Tyson's used to, but not exactly as devastating. Thompson also landed some well placed shots early, and tried to pull a Ross Purity late by covering up when the fight was lost on points barring a KO for Thompson. Wlad won’t punch himself out. In fact his stamina and power were good late in the fight. When Thompson became weak, Wlad closed the show like a champion should.

Footnote. ***Wlad is now 5-1 vs Ring Magazine Ranked southpaws ( Byrd, Byrd, Ibragimov, Thompson, and Sanders ) *** No other champion has beated this many ranked southpaws.

good stuff

[JohnThomas1]

Footnote. ***Wlad is now 5-1 vs Ring Magazine Ranked southpaws ( Byrd, Byrd, Ibragimov, Thompson, and Sanders ) *** No other champion has beated this many ranked southpaws.

There's never been near that many before during someones career, surely. Top level heavyweight SP's are a rarity.

[Mendoza]

There's never been near that many before during someones career, surely. Top level heavyweight SP's are a rarity.
While this is true, Wlad's record against top ranked southpaws is tops among champions. These days, boxing has more southpaws.

Southpaws have always been viewed as hard to match up against, mostly because orthodox fighters get used to seeing things curve, move, angle, or rhythm a certain way, and Southpaws do it backwards / reverse.

[SuzieQ49]

btw, Corrie Sanders was NOT a ring magazine rated southpaw when wlad fought him. in fact sanders wasnt in the top 20 ring magazine annuel ratings around that time. Sanders was a journeyman who got a late sub title shot as a tuneup.


so wlads record against ring magazine rated southpaws is 5-0. sanders was an unrated trial horse.

[Seamus]

\ his recent flat performances against Thompson and Ibragimov

He KO's a guy who- to my knowledge- had never been down before, let alone KO'd and completely whitewashes a guy who had never been beat and we call these performances flat?

Why do I feel Wlad is being help to a higher standard than most?

[Rui]

He KO's a guy who- to my knowledge- had never been down before, let alone KO'd and completely whitewashes a guy who had never been beat and we call these performances flat?

Why do I feel Wlad is being help to a higher standard than most?Klitschko is held to a higher standard than any other heavyweight, and rightfully so. When you're considered to be the consensus top heavyweight in the world and facing inferior opponents in terms of physical attributes and skill, then I feel there's an unwritten mandate that you should at least put forth an effort to dispatch of your overmatched opponents. Klitschko's performance in the Ibragimov fight was embarrassing. He was head and shoulders the better heavyweight and yet excluding a couple bursts of genuine effort to achieve a knockout, he basically fought like a 6'7", 240 lbs pussy.

Yes, he completely dominated Ibragimov and it's apparent he wants to become a great heavyweight. Unfortunately for Klitschko, greatness is bestowed upon those who take risks. From Klitschko's last two fights, it appears to me as if he is so worried that he's going to get caught by a big shot that he plays it safe until his clear physical superiority and skills overwhelm his opponents to a point where he can just land that big right hand when his opponents are fatigued. So we can expect some pawing with the left hand, some clinching, an array of jabs with the occasional combination mixed in until whoever is facing the giant Ukrainian is tired enough to be open for that power punch. Great for his career, not too great for boxing fans.

[Russell]

So sick of hearing the same old bland shit on here.

[punchy]

Interesting statistics for you.........Wladimir Klitschkos Record against Ring Magazine annuel top 10 is 8-0(5) which is an outstanding record against ring magazine top 10. Terific.

On the flipside, you take note that all 3 of his knockout losses happened to men not rated in the ring magazine annuel top 10. Which makes all 3 losses rather extremley embarrassing.



2 interesting stat figures, that makes you question just how good wladimir is. perhaps these statistics show there is still alot left to prove since there is still alot of young talent yet to be desired out there.




ps on a side note, I am very unimpressed with wlads last two performances. While he did get the job done efficiently, he lacks the spark he once had. He now paws with his jab, which is a big mistake to do when he faces a top young fighter, he doesnt throw combinations anymore(what happened to the wlad of the 1990s who let his hands go like joe louis?), and his new style is extremley boring he seems to try to take the easy way out, all he does his clinch on the inside. i think he will eventually find his new style will be overwhelmed.


Nicolay Valuev, Ruslan Chagaev, David Haye, Alexander Potvekin, Vladimir Virchis. All these guys are potential legacy booster wins for wlad. lets see what happens.


Congrats on the win over thompson

Thompson was a mandatory and he came to fight, it was a good win, although I think the names you mention here and Samuel Peter are harder fights he would still be favourite but I doubt we will see these fights Wlad appears uninterested.

ps this fight was free to air in Australia hope that happens again, did you watch it John Thomas?

[JohnThomas1]

Thompson was a mandatory and he came to fight, it was a good win, although I think the names you mention here and Samuel Peter are harder fights he would still be favourite but I doubt we will see these fights Wlad appears uninterested.

ps this fight was free to air in Australia hope that happens again, did you watch it John Thomas?

You are kidding?!?!!?!? A mate said it was thursday and i scoured 2 different TV guides and it wasn't there!!!

[JohnThomas1]

Ahhhhhhh 6am!!! I failed to take into account the times dammit.

[punchy]

Ahhhhhhh 6am!!! I failed to take into account the times dammit.

Started 4am sunday and finished 7am I watched almost the whole fight but missed the 11th round when my four year old son woke up and started crying just at the wrong time, thats life mate, sorry you missed it, it was a good fight if we get any more free to air, and I hear we might there was an article in the paper about it, I will have to PM you and if you hear of anything please PM me.

[JohnThomas1]

Started 4am sunday and finished 7am I watched almost the whole fight but missed the 11th round when my four year old son woke up and started crying just at the wrong time, thats life mate, sorry you missed it, it was a good fight if we get any more free to air, and I hear we might there was an article in the paper about it, I will have to PM you and if you hear of anything please PM me.

Thanks mate.

Must admit i'd have been ripe at 4am, only just gone to bed :lol:

[SuzieQ49]

Must admit i'd have been ripe at 4am, only just gone to bed


LOL its 5:27 am right now im just getting up getting ready to go to navy swcc PT training. DARN YOU GUYS!!!

[Mendoza]

He KO's a guy who- to my knowledge- had never been down before, let alone KO'd and completely whitewashes a guy who had never been beat and we call these performances flat?

Why do I feel Wlad is being help to a higher standard than most?

Good call. Some hold Klitschko to a standard that is impossible to measure up to. In truth, even Ali, Louis, and Holmes had worse performances vs lesser guys than Thompson or Ibragimov.

[JohnThomas1]

LOL its 5:27 am right now im just getting up getting ready to go to navy swcc PT training. DARN YOU GUYS!!!

Hey - somebodies gotta protect and serve mate

:good

[ChrisPontius]

Hey - somebodies gotta protect and serve mate

:good

Yep, glad someone is willing to do that work!



......Did i just say that from my armchair, while sipping a cold glass of beer and about to enjoy a good fight?:D

[JohnThomas1]

Yep, glad someone is willing to do that work!



......Did i just say that from my armchair, while sipping a cold glass of beer and about to enjoy a good fight?:D

:lol:

:good

[SuzieQ49]

its 10:15 am just got back. wow 4 hours of hell. Thank god I dont have to do that again tomorrow morning, o wait I do!!!

[OLD FOGEY]

Ring Magazine Rating is often on the slow side in recognize up and coming talent and they were not exactly giving in terms of foreign fighters until recently.

Brewster and Sanders both were ranked highly. I think Sanders was as high as #2 or #3, and Brewster #3.

I just saw the Wlad vs Thompson fight. A few things. It wasn't one of Wlad's best fights. I do not think Wlad was up to fight Thompson. I get the sense Thompson's style, durability/ long arms and defensive / counter punching type of tendencies made Wlad adjust a bit. Wlad landed plenty of good body shots, and had to go to a straight right type of jab to land on Thompson, who had his right glove pretty much glued to his face to block Wlad's left jab.

You must have missed Wlad's combinations. He threw a few of them, including one nice body punch and uppercut like Tyson's used to, but not exactly as devastating. Thompson also landed some well placed shots early, and tried to pull a Ross Purity late by covering up when the fight was lost on points barring a KO for Thompson. Wlad won’t punch himself out. In fact his stamina and power were good late in the fight. When Thompson became weak, Wlad closed the show like a champion should.

Footnote. ***Wlad is now 5-1 vs Ring Magazine Ranked southpaws ( Byrd, Byrd, Ibragimov, Thompson, and Sanders ) *** No other champion has beated this many ranked southpaws.

One problem with the high ratings for Sanders and Brewster is that they were largely based on ko'ing Wlad.

As for Wlad's performance against Thompson, I thought he showed quite a bit. He has good movement for such a big man, is obviously very strong, certainly has a good defense. I liked the way he went to the body and his stamina seemed much better than in some of his earlier fights. He had enough left to pick it up in the 11th round and did not seem at all spent at the end.
The downside was the poor inside fighting skills. He just grabbed and the referee seemed to cut the action pretty quick. I would also have some doubts about his punching power at this time. He did not seem to hurt Ibragamov with some clean shots and Thompson also ate quite a few direct hits without being visibly hurt. Wlad did, of course, knock him out cleanly in the 11th, but Thompson appeared to be looking for a way to quit after Wlad fell on him at the end of the 10th. Thompson might be durable, but how durable is somewhat quesswork as he had never been in with a big puncher before Wlad.

[punchy]

Thanks mate.

Must admit i'd have been ripe at 4am, only just gone to bed :lol:

Well I am up at 2.55am working because my wife woke me up and I couldn't get back to sleep, oh well. I think this was the first free to air boxing in over fifteen years in Australia, but if Wlad and Vit fight in germany it would be unlikely because of the time difference and their limited appeal here that they would be offered on pay per view, lets face it who is going to pay the money to watch this sort of fight at 4am so we may get some more free to air, I hope so you will just have to stay up a bit later JT.

[Mendoza]

One problem with the high ratings for Sanders and Brewster is that they were largely based on ko'ing Wlad.

As for Wlad's performance against Thompson, I thought he showed quite a bit. He has good movement for such a big man, is obviously very strong, certainly has a good defense. I liked the way he went to the body and his stamina seemed much better than in some of his earlier fights. He had enough left to pick it up in the 11th round and did not seem at all spent at the end.

The downside was the poor inside fighting skills. He just grabbed and the referee seemed to cut the action pretty quick. I would also have some doubts about his punching power at this time. He did not seem to hurt Ibragamov with some clean shots and Thompson also ate quite a few direct hits without being visibly hurt. Wlad did, of course, knock him out cleanly in the 11th, but Thompson appeared to be looking for a way to quit after Wlad fell on him at the end of the 10th. Thompson might be durable, but how durable is somewhat quesswork as he had never been in with a big puncher before Wlad.

The Brewster and Sanders who fought Wlad were the best versions of the two. We know this in hindsight based on their performances.

I do not see how you question Wlad's power. Thompson was never stopped or as far as I know down until last Saturday night. Wlad did land his best stuff toward the end, though he did land solidly.

Honestly, Wlad does not seem to need to land his best that often for the other guy to go. I have seen guys like Marciano, and Frazier land many flush power shots on their opponents before they went.

[OLD FOGEY]

The Brewster and Sanders who fought Wlad were the best versions of the two. We know this in hindsight based on their performances.

I do not see how you question Wlad's power. Thompson was never stopped or as far as I know down until last Saturday night. Wlad did land his best stuff toward the end, though he did land solidly.

Honestly, Wlad does not seem to need to land his best that often for the other guy to go. I have seen guys like Marciano, and Frazier land many flush power shots on their opponents before they went.

"I have seen guys like Marciano, and Frazier, land many flush power shots on their opponents before they went."

And you have started thread after thread questioning their power. I still say it is still somewhat up in the air how durable Thompson is, and I, at least, wonder if Wlad is losing his punch.

[Mendoza]

"I have seen guys like Marciano, and Frazier, land many flush power shots on their opponents before they went."

And you have started thread after thread questioning their power. I still say it is still somewhat up in the air how durable Thompson is, and I, at least, wonder if Wlad is losing his punch.

Power is the last thing to go. Wlad is 32, and still in his prime. I don’t see Wlad losing any of his power. Wlad might have floored Thompson in round two ( HBO blew the replay ) and put Thompson down face first in round 11. Thompson’s style threw Wlad off a bit. It took Wlad a while to figure out where to land, but once he did we saw what happened.

Thompson has been in there with many top fighters as a sparring partner. Until someone else starches Thompson, I think it is safe to say he can take a good shot.

[ChrisPontius]

And you have started thread after thread questioning their power. I still say it is still somewhat up in the air how durable Thompson is, and I, at least, wonder if Wlad is losing his punch.
I was thinking the same thing actually, even though it's hard to believe. Well, not that he is anything less than a very hard puncher, but maybe a little less so than he used to be. It is a change for the better however, because he has much better stamina now.

It could be perception, however. Perhaps he used to sit down more on them. And the last two fights, he's shown the bad habit to immediatly tie the opponent up after he hits them. That basically limits stoppages to one-punch knockouts, of which even the biggest punchers only have a few in their entire career.

I remember thinking during the fight that he did lose a step and looked clumsy/disorganised more than he has in the past against better opposition. But it's hard to tell considering the fact that Thompson is a big, akward southpaw who has never tasted the canvas before. We'll see against Povetkin come november.