Sinan Şamil Sam is new European Champion [Archive]

SmokinJoe

07-16-2008, 03:00 PM

koraytyson

07-16-2008, 03:11 PM

This is very interesting. Ahmett Oner did good job for his fighter and his company.

koraytyson

07-16-2008, 03:12 PM

source???
I heard from Turkish media ,which name is 'Anadolu Ajansı'(Anatolia Agency)'.

dwilson

07-16-2008, 04:27 PM

Great news.

FROST

07-16-2008, 04:49 PM

Oner is a very very shady man. It's amazing how a cruiserweight journeyman who arguably didn't make any real money in his pro boxing career can build up such a poweful promotional company, sign the likes of Hide, Gamboa, Solis,ecc.....and have so much influence on EBU. Where the hell did he find the money???

Where did he find the money?? That's obvious, think for a second. I won't write it here. I think Oner and his promotional company are just front men for something much bigger, you know what I mean. They arrange some good fights tho..

Axe

07-16-2008, 07:11 PM

This guy needs to be banned, he is very bad for boxing.

Kampioni

07-16-2008, 07:13 PM

He is bad
Makes boxing even more corrupt

Rick G

07-17-2008, 03:49 AM

In my eyes this manipulation does not change the result at all. Take away the home bonus and the money / promoter factor - then you will have a win for Vidoz. Furthermore Vidoz is just an Italian farmer who is not willing to make / cant afford professional training. So Sam can not pride himself on this win!
For sure they have to meet again!

Rick G

07-17-2008, 03:53 AM

Where did he find the money?? That's obvious, think for a second. I won't write it here. I think Oner and his promotional company are just front men for something much bigger, you know what I mean.
Ok, all of you know that I don't like Öner, but that's overtrading - he simply is financially backed by a German business man.

Loewe

07-17-2008, 05:21 AM

I also read it on boxeringweb.it, all I can say is just laughable. Sad news for boxing...

I agree with you but on the other hand it doesn´t matter neither fighter will go anywhere.

matt_maxx

07-17-2008, 06:03 AM

Ok, all of you know that I don't like Öner, but that's overtrading - he simply is financially backed by a German business man.

Thats not true. There are more than one shareholders, but the German business man u are referring to, is the only one who appears in public.

matt_maxx

07-17-2008, 06:16 AM

He is bad
Makes boxing even more corrupt

Boxing was, is and will always be corrupt. With or without Oener. The guy is simply taking advantage of a corrupt business in an outstandig manner. You have to blame all these boxing associations who take the money. This is the root of the evil.

unitas

07-17-2008, 09:03 AM

fuck oner. this is just a plain joke.

Luigi1985

07-17-2008, 09:21 AM

I agree with you but on the other hand it doesn´t matter neither fighter will go anywhere.

That´s not the point. I know that both fighters won´t go anywhere near the top right now. The point is, that boxing loses soon his last credibility, you know what I mean? And it´s sad for Vidoz, who´s really a sympathic fighter who deserved the W against SSS. I would agree if it was a close fight, that the hometown- fighter gets the decision, unfortunately that´s boxing today, but not under these circumstances...

sinan58

07-17-2008, 01:03 PM

Good news ,Sinan takes this crown

unitas

07-17-2008, 01:36 PM

Good news ,Sinan takes this crown

not for anyone who believes in fairness.

Luigi1985

07-17-2008, 02:39 PM

Good news ,Sinan takes this crown

Shut up, dickhead!

Loewe

07-17-2008, 03:38 PM

That´s not the point. I know that both fighters won´t go anywhere near the top right now. The point is, that boxing loses soon his last credibility, you know what I mean? And it´s sad for Vidoz, who´s really a sympathic fighter who deserved the W against SSS. I would agree if it was a close fight, that the hometown- fighter gets the decision, unfortunately that´s boxing today, but not under these circumstances...

Sure, i know what you mean. But i think these two fighters are so washe up and their bout was so unnoticed by the mainstream media that the only people who get to know of that disgrace are the people who are interested in boxing no matter what. And these people know what they get with Oener.
Btw. i think most fighters out there are sympathic guys that´s not an argument for a W ;) I saw the fight and it was rather boring, imo it was a close fight but Vidoz should have won. I can see the argument for Sam so, it was close.

sinan58

07-17-2008, 04:17 PM

Shut up, dickhead! Hey Luigi , you must remember how Mahir beat your guy ,Spada . So ,you must be controll yourself ,If you don't it ,I will beat like ow Mahir beat Spada ,ok .

Luigi1985

07-17-2008, 04:17 PM

Sure, i know what you mean. But i think these two fighters are so washe up and their bout was so unnoticed by the mainstream media that the only people who get to know of that disgrace are the people who are interested in boxing no matter what. And these people know what they get with Oener.
Btw. i think most fighters out there are sympathic guys that´s not an argument for a W ;) I saw the fight and it was rather boring, imo it was a close fight but Vidoz should have won. I can see the argument for Sam so, it was close.

99 % in different forums I read ( German, Italian, and English) wrote that Vidoz won with at least 3 points. I know that it doesn´t matter if he´s sympathic or not, but that hurts even more if you see such a friendly guy losing. If it would have been a loudmouth like Naseem Hamed or so, it wouldn´t interest me that much, although the issue would be the same.

koraytyson

07-17-2008, 04:19 PM

Shut up, dickhead!

Hey ,who are you? Who are you and you have not any right to say anything to anybody. You have to be polite. Everybody can write their minds to this forum. If you become rude ,I will do a lot of.

Luigi1985

07-17-2008, 04:21 PM

Luigi1985 think Mahir Oral how beat Dominico Spada. I will beat u too then you look Dominico Spada :D

:lol:

You´re a funny dude. Spada beat Oral, and you know it. I just don´t know why Öner invests so much money in such mediocre fighters to pay the judges that they win their fights.

Luigi1985

07-17-2008, 04:27 PM

Hey ,who are you? Who are you and you have not any right to say anything to anybody. You have to be polite. Everybody can write their minds to this forum. If you become rude ,I will do a lot of.

Than do it, I don´t care. If I provocate other people, than I have to calculate with such reactions/ comments. For example when I create a thread about PBF, which implied that he´s just mediocre and so on, and nothing special, it´s normal that people get angry, think about it, it wasn´t a opinion or so, it was just a provocation.

sinan58

07-17-2008, 04:33 PM

:lol:

You´re a funny dude. Spada beat Oral, and you know it. I just don´t know why Öner invests so much money in such mediocre fighters to pay the judges that they win their fights.Ok man, you can find your question from Öner. But ,you must go to Hamburg. And ,I definitely believe ,he is waitiing you :p

Luigi1985

07-17-2008, 04:40 PM

Ok man, you can find your question from Öner. But ,you must go to Hamburg. And ,I definitely believe ,he is waitiing you :p

I´m not interested to talk with a choleric type of former CW journeyman who think he´s something special. Btw, Turkey has some great talents like Aydin, Yalcinkaya, etc., even a pretty limited guy like Saglam (limited at world-class) would be better because of his power, I don´t know why he invests so much money in fighters like SSS. I know, Ahmet owes Sinan a lot, but doesn´t he see that SSS lost his heart and interest in professional fighting? It would be better if SSS retires IMO and would be a talent-scout at Arena for Turkish talents or so, what do you think?

Nakz

07-17-2008, 05:16 PM

I´m not interested to talk with a choleric type of former CW journeyman who think he´s something special. Btw, Turkey has some great talents like Aydin, Yalcinkaya, etc., even a pretty limited guy like Saglam (limited at world-class) would be better because of his power, I don´t know why he invests so much money in fighters like SSS. I know, Ahmet owes Sinan a lot, but doesn´t he see that SSS lost his heart and interest in professional fighting? It would be better if SSS retires IMO and would be a talent-scout at Arena for Turkish talents or so, what do you think?

Yep, that's true and it is going that way with SSS. He said he would stop with boxing after the match and I hope he does, cause he can't fight like he used to. The only reason Oner ( I also hate that guy) still invest alot of money in SSS is obviously $$$. He is still the most known boxer in Turkey and attracts a lot of people when he is the main event.

Loewe

07-17-2008, 06:11 PM

99 % in different forums I read ( German, Italian, and English) wrote that Vidoz won with at least 3 points. I know that it doesn´t matter if he´s sympathic or not, but that hurts even more if you see such a friendly guy losing. If it would have been a loudmouth like Naseem Hamed or so, it wouldn´t interest me that much, although the issue would be the same.

Well, i liked Naseem becaue of his cocky style but at the same time i always disliked RJJ for the same. Don´t know why.

Well, imo three points is too much imo i had it a bit closer but when you count it that it was an arena card and in Turkey a draw would have been okay. That´s boxing these kinds of decision happen ll the time in every country but most aren´t on TV. It may not be right but it´s quite common.
Don´t get me wrong, i, too, think that this decision is a disgrace but i know where it comes from.

Loewe

07-17-2008, 06:14 PM

Yep, that's true and it is going that way with SSS. He said he would stop with boxing after the match and I hope he does, cause he can't fight like he used to. The only reason Oner ( I also hate that guy) still invest alot of money in SSS is obviously $$$. He is still the most known boxer in Turkey and attracts a lot of people when he is the main event.

Yeah, Sinan is an icon in Turkey. He attracts crowds and Oener can make a good amount of money with him even when he fights Journeymen just like Sauerland and Universum did with their "champs" like Beyer.