15 rounds, 20 rounds or 25 rounds ?

[Unforgiven]

If they were going to increase the distance for world title fights which would you prefer - 15, 20, or 25 ?

[McGrain]

Fifteen.

Once you're in the region of 20 and 25 you're skewing things in favour of the endurance athlete in my opinion. Good punch resistance and stamina (obviously absolutley crucial as things stand) come to be as important as speed and power.

15 rounds is the perfect distance for boxing in my opinion.

[JohnThomas1]

Where's the 10 and 12 round options?!?!?!!

:smoke

[TBooze]

Fifteen.

Once you're in the region of 20 and 25 you're skewing things in favour of the endurance athlete in my opinion. Good punch resistance and stamina (obviously absolutley crucial as things stand) come to be as important as speed and power.

15 rounds is the perfect distance for boxing in my opinion.

Surely at World Championship level, fight to a finish (or 45 rounders) would be the ultimate test and define each fighter?:hey

[McGrain]

Surely at World Championship level, fight to a finish (or 45 rounders) would be the ultimate test and define each fighter?:hey

It's not unreasonable.

I just think there will be to many fights where, for rounds 1-15, nobody will want to overcommit. You'll have a load of Klistschko's running around the place.

[Duodenum]

Fifteen.

Once you're in the region of 20 and 25 you're skewing things in favour of the endurance athlete in my opinion. Good punch resistance and stamina (obviously absolutley crucial as things stand) come to be as important as speed and power.

15 rounds is the perfect distance for boxing in my opinion.This reflects my view as well. On his very best day, Jess Willard was no match for Jack Johnson as a boxer, but prevailed only by outlasting him. This also accounted for the outcome in Jeffries/Corbett I. But these are two of the rare instances in which the result of a championship contest changed because they were scheduled for a longer distance.

The Ring Record Book makes it very clear as to why 15 rounds became the accepted standard. By the end of 15 rounds, the identity of the superior fighter was usually established in bouts scheduled for longer distances.

Give Chuvalo 25 rounds, and he might dethrone Ali. Ditto for Cobb against Holmes.

Gans/Nelson I went 42 rounds, but all of the truly meaningful action which revealed the eventual winner took place within the first 15. During the 15 round era, that one would have likely been stopped in the final round, if for no other reason than Nelson being unable to be competitive with Gans.

Ted Lewis registered four knockouts between rounds 15 and 20, but very few other boxers during the Queensbury era had the energy to take out an opponent by the time a match went beyond 15. The 27 other times Kid Lewis went beyond 20 rounds, he wound up going the distance.

From an entertainment standpoint, 15 rounds is the optimal distance for spectators as well (andboxing is a spectator sport).

[Dempsey1238]

Willard is underrated, it had more too Willard's victory than just out lasted him. Willard was landed some heavy shots on Johnson though out the fight(And vice vesa)

I sure we all see the fight on espn, and the 5 or so rounds does not tell the whole story. First they mess up the rounds(Round 18 is round 1.) When Johnson is beating Willard and landed on him, shaking Willard, and Willard is retreated, and the commentary says, Johnson is trying to end it in round 1. Never happen, because it was round 18 when Johnson was making a last effort in brining Willard down before he gas out.
The real round 1 was nothing of note, nothing happen. Both got in a few fair jabs, but most of the round, both Willard and Johnson were feeling each other out with jabs and feits. And moveing to try when to strike or not.

Over all I think it was Willard's power punchings, and Johnson not being in his 25 round plus shape that did Johnson in that day.

[Lobotomy]

Willard is underrated, it had more too Willard's victory than just out lasted him. Willard was landed some heavy shots on Johnson though out the fight(And vice vesa)

I sure we all see the fight on espn, and the 5 or so rounds does not tell the whole story. First they mess up the rounds(Round 18 is round 1.) When Johnson is beating Willard and landed on him, shaking Willard, and Willard is retreated, and the commentary says, Johnson is trying to end it in round 1. Never happen, because it was round 18 when Johnson was making a last effort in brining Willard down before he gas out.
The real round 1 was nothing of note, nothing happen. Both got in a few fair jabs, but most of the round, both Willard and Johnson were feeling each other out with jabs and feits. And moveing to try when to strike or not.

Over all I think it was Willard's power punchings, and Johnson not being in his 25 round plus shape that did Johnson in that day.Yes, Willard was underrated, and Johnson certainly lacked the physical conditioning of his early reign.

I believe Johnson's power was somewhat overrated, and that he could never have taken out Willard, even in peak condition. But he did outbox Willard over 15 rounds in the best performance Jess ever produced. In shape, Lil' Artha' would have simply extended his mastery of Willard over a longer distance.

However, I'm not sure Johnson could have ever defeated Jess over the 45 round distance. Willard was no Ketchel, Burns or Flynn, but one of the most durable men in history at the Havana Race Track.

[redrooster]

Where's the 10 and 12 round options?!?!?!!

:smoke

Because thats for pussies like Leonard who need 12 oz. gloves.

Give fans their money's worth and make fighters work harder for their pay. Duel to the death or at least 25 rounds like the good old days

[natonic]

I'd like to see the traditinal 15 round limit come back. It seems like the 12 round distance has robbed of us some dramatic finishes.

[Dempsey1238]

Yes, Willard was underrated, and Johnson certainly lacked the physical conditioning of his early reign.

I believe Johnson's power was somewhat overrated, and that he could never have taken out Willard, even in peak condition. But he did outbox Willard over 15 rounds in the best performance Jess ever produced. In shape, Lil' Artha' would have simply extended his mastery of Willard over a longer distance.

However, I'm not sure Johnson could have ever defeated Jess over the 45 round distance. Willard was no Ketchel, Burns or Flynn, but one of the most durable men in history at the Havana Race Track.

Well Burns was pretty durable, he just lack the "Weight" needed in order to defeat Johnson.
Even in the 14 rounds of the fight I have, I dont think Johnson show any mastery over Willard, Outside of the few rounds Johnson went after Willard(18, 17 and perhaps round 20??) Most of the rounds were pretty close, and could go either way. The whole fight it seem was one or the other was trying to bait the other into attacking, so the defender could counter punch. I belive one of the biggest myths was Johnson winning 25 rounds before Willard got lucky. It was a close fight.

[red cobra]

15 rounds is what it SHOULD be, by all rights. Anything more than that would reduce many a fight to a sloppy, grappling affair.

[guilalah]

Duodenum post #6 wrote

On his very best day, Jess Willard was no match for Jack Johnson as a boxer, but prevailed only by outlasting him. This also accounted for the outcome in Jeffries/Corbett I.


Hi, Duodenum! Well, a number of sources had Jeffries getting off to a good start in his 1900 defense against Corbett; and some of the sources could be reasonably construed as supporting that it was a close fight at the time of the KO. We had a thread on the subject

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I don't know who was having the better of it, but I certainly don't buy Corbett's 'I was pitching a shut-out' yarn.:bart

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In the poll, I voted for 15 rounds.

What I'd like to see is: 1) cards announced after round 12, and any rounds there after; 2) after round 12, the fight ends when one fighter: a) is not loosing on any card; b) is ahead on atleast two cards; c) is atleast 5 points ahead on the combined scores of all cards.

[Mendoza]

I'd like to see the traditinal 15 round limit come back. It seems like the 12 round distance has robbed of us some dramatic finishes.


Amen. I have often said boxing is full of alphabet politics, but if a new one comes out that sanction 15 round title fights, I give them credibility right out of the gate.

While 15 rounds can be dangerous ( especially in the lower weights due to fighters de-hydrating to make weight and taking too many punches ) , I would love to see boxing allow if for special occasions, such as a title unification fights.

[RockyJim]

As I seem to remember...maybe not....main events were 10 rounds....US title fight were 12 rounds..and world title fights were 15 rounds...

[JohnThomas1]

Have ONE absolute world championship faction. Keep the shit titles whatever, but have one defining faction being for WORLD CHAMP. This top faction would be 15 round fights, the other entities calling themselves world titles would be 12 rounds.

[bigjake]

15 rounds is ideal for a championship match,those extra 3 rds separates the men from the boys.

bigjake

[Hatesrats]

I'd settle for 13 RdS.
(Just to eliminate the Draw, for the most part)

[Duodenum]

Amen. I have often said boxing is full of alphabet politics, but if a new one comes out that sanction 15 round title fights, I give them credibility right out of the gate.This is what drives me nuts more than anything else about the proliferation of organizations, the fact that none of them recognize that the biggest single competitive advantage an upstart outfit could possibly have is accomodation of the 15 round distance.While 15 rounds can be dangerous ( especially in the lower weights due to fighters de-hydrating to make weight and taking too many punches ) , I would love to see boxing allow if for special occasions, such as a title unification fights.
I don't believe that the 15 round distance need necessarily be restricted to championship fights (a-la Ali/Bonavena and Ali/Mac Foster), and I think safety would be enhanced through improved conditioning.

Regarding weight and dehydration, it might be prudent to weigh each combatant over the entire course of the preceeding week to establish a healthy baseline. SRL always began his training camps weighing under the limit of the division he was competing in, and this should perhaps be an informal requirement for everybody participating in the sport.

[Stonehands89]

Have ONE absolute world championship faction. Keep the shit titles whatever, but have one defining faction being for WORLD CHAMP. This top faction would be 15 round fights, the other entities calling themselves world titles would be 12 rounds.
I like that.

[Zakman]

15 rounds is the optimal distance for title fights, although part of me would love to see a return to longer fights (more boxing for the buck!).

It is a shame that the TV networks pressured them to shorten it to 12.

[Mendoza]

15 rounds is the optimal distance for title fights, although part of me would love to see a return to longer fights (more boxing for the buck!).

It is a shame that the TV networks pressured them to shorten it to 12.

15 rounds fits neatly in an hour. 45 minutes of action, with 15 minutes of breaks in-between rounds to air commercials. If the network added in 30 minutes for pre fight hype, post fight interviews, plus a few commercials, they are fine.

[ThinBlack]

15 rounds for title fights, and only title fights.Leave the 12 rounders for the USBA and NABF titles, or state titles.

[orriray59]

Surprise surprise.

It's ThinBlack.

EDIT: But yeah, this can make for interesting discussion. I tend to agree with McGrain here. Plus 15 rounders could be a bit shit to put it kindly.

[Drew101]

Have ONE absolute world championship faction. Keep the shit titles whatever, but have one defining faction being for WORLD CHAMP. This top faction would be 15 round fights, the other entities calling themselves world titles would be 12 rounds.

This.

[Vano-Irons]

15 rounds for me. A 20-25 round fight would slow the pace down too much for my liking

[DaveK]

15 rounds. It's irritating to see top level guys get paid millions and after 12 rounds, they look and act like they could do another 12...

Those extra 3 rounds have featured some of the highest drama and biggest historical events, plus, as Big Jake said, it truly seperates the men from the boys...

I think that one thing could do a lot towards cleaning up fighters' mentality and especially concerning heavyweights, make fighters come in top condition.

[frankenfrank]

1 rd , no breaks , till a stoppage occurs , like in real life .
12 rds is much better than 15 which is more of a running contest

[red cobra]

Fifteen.

Once you're in the region of 20 and 25 you're skewing things in favour of the endurance athlete in my opinion. Good punch resistance and stamina (obviously absolutley crucial as things stand) come to be as important as speed and power.

15 rounds is the perfect distance for boxing in my opinion.
Tried and true.

[Bummy Davis]

I am a big proponent of 15 round, for me the last 3 rounds 13, 14 and 15 were magic in separation of the true champion and it also usually insured that 2 conditioned men would enter the ring. The pace of a 15 rounder as opposed to a 12 rounder was not sacrificed, in fact the condition level,the plan and some of the fights were classic and perfect.

I think once you go beyond 15 rounds the fighters would be more concerned with lasting the marathon than the work-output ....15 rounds for championship fights 12rds for regional titles and eliminations and 10, 8,6 and 4 according to the level of experience. I used to love to go to a boxing card and see the 4 rd. guy then a 6rder or 2 and an 8 or a 10 then the title fight for 15 rds...usually you would get a great mix of action at all level of the game and recognize the difference

[Kalasinn]

1 rd , no breaks , till a stoppage occurs , like in real life .
12 rds is much better than 15 which is more of a running contest

:lol::lol:

[red cobra]

Boxing prostituted itself to the tv networks, and for what?? Only to get jilted on the altar. only to be fucked without even getting kissed, so to speak. I say damn them all..and return to the 15 round limit..Jose Sulieman among others can bite it...

[red cobra]

15 rounds is ideal for a championship match,those extra 3 rds separates the men from the boys.

bigjake
:deal..A big AMEN to that bigjake!!:thumbsup

[red cobra]

1 rd , no breaks , till a stoppage occurs , like in real life .
12 rds is much better than 15 which is more of a running contest
Yeah, and do away with the ring, and have fights in a cage...and to hell with going to a neutral corner after scoring a kd..just fall on your downed opponent and simulate sex...oih wait...we already have MMA!!!

[Vic-JofreBRASIL]

Can you imagine a Sven Ottke vs Hugo Corro in 25 rounds, Red.....?

:lol:

[Titan1]

15 rounds, for the logical reasons.

[Bobo]

This is what the 13-15th rounds would look like in a heavyweight world championship fight today. [Only registered and activated users can see links]
:rofl

[The Kurgan]

:rofl

[frankenfrank]

Yeah, and do away with the ring, and have fights in a cage...and to hell with going to a neutral corner after scoring a kd..just fall on your downed opponent and simulate sex...oih wait...we already have MMA!!!
MMA does have rds , regarding no ring and no neutral corner these were your suggestions , not mine , although i don't care if it's in a ring , octagon or 4 cornered cage , a cage would have prevented endings like Maskaev-Rahman #1 BTW , but tradition ist uber alles .

[red cobra]

Can you imagine a Sven Ottke vs Hugo Corro in 25 rounds, Red.....?

:lol:
The poor crowd!!:lol:..