Joe Louis v Abe Simon II

[McGrain]

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[McGrain]

Simon probably shouldn't have been in there coming off a loss and a draw but he had dragged Louis into the latest stages of the fight in their previous fight and had KO wins over Joe Walcott and Willie Redish - and Joe, of course, was basically fighting for free.

Was Joe Louis's left hand ever better? I don't think anybody ever dropped the right off the jab with more ferocity than Joe...

What about, Abe, talk about heart..."he'll get a paycheck, he deserves it". How many guys would have folded in round two?

[McGrain]

Here's a great video detailing some of Joe's more subtle skills. Check the double-right hand counter to the jab at around 2.10:


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[ChrisPontius]

Simon wasn't the most athletic, fast or skilled of boxers..... but he was big, very strong, durable and could hit quite a bit too. One of my favorite Louis fights, such fantastic display of punching ability.

[SuzieQ49]

Simon probably shouldn't have been in there coming off a loss and a draw but he had dragged Louis into the latest stages of the fight in their previous fight and had KO wins over Joe Walcott and Willie Redish - and Joe, of course, was basically fighting for free.


Simon got battered for the first 5 rounds against walcott, on the verge of getting knocked out many times. but walcott with barely any food in his stomach in 48 hours ran out of gas and reeled around the ring exhausted and went down and out. Simon later called walcott the hardest hitter he ever fought.

[SuzieQ49]

Simon wasn't the most athletic, fast or skilled of boxers..... but he was big, very strong, durable and could hit quite a bit too. One of my favorite Louis fights, such fantastic display of punching ability.

I agree although I dont think he was much of a puncher.

[JohnThomas1]

As great as Louis looked Simon was just terrible. A mismatch. Bad bad style to have coming in to fight a Louis.

[McGrain]

Simon got battered for the first 5 rounds against walcott, on the verge of getting knocked out many times. but walcott with barely any food in his stomach in 48 hours ran out of gas and reeled around the ring exhausted and went down and out. Simon later called walcott the hardest hitter he ever fought.

He outlasted him! Kind of like Brewster with Klitschko;)

[SuzieQ49]

Ya pretty much, except imagine wlad klitschko had barely trained at all for the fight, had nothing to eat that whole day, and took the fight on late sub notice......and you have a match.

[SuzieQ49]

Funny you mention that john, because simon lasted 13 the first time vs louis and actually gave louis quite a bit of trouble, busted louis face up badly with his jab according to louis himself.

[Holmes' Jab]

Tremendous performance. Simon didn't fare as well as he did in the 1st fight, but Louis was from a different stratosphere offensively, and every other aspect. He hurt him early and didn't let him off the hook at all.

Simon showed courage in even lasting that far tbh, but was ultimately blown away.

[McGrain]

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[McGrain]

Funny you mention that john, because simon lasted 13 the first time vs louis and actually gave louis quite a bit of trouble, busted louis face up badly with his jab according to louis himself.

I think his jab is decent.

Didn't the first one go 14?

[JohnThomas1]

Funny you mention that john, because simon lasted 13 the first time vs louis and actually gave louis quite a bit of trouble, busted louis face up badly with his jab according to louis himself.

I'm just going by this vid right here Suze. Abe in this fight is about 7 levels below Louis. Maybe Louis improved, or Abe had a lot taken out of him, or both. Totally outclassed in this one, totally.

[McGrain]

I'm just going by this vid right here Suze. Abe in this fight is about 7 levels below Louis. Maybe Louis improved, or Abe had a lot taken out of him, or both. Totally outclassed in this one, totally.

Can you think off man sluggers without speed who wouldn't be? I can't imagine Louis-Peter or Louis-Shavers looking that different to this.

[JohnThomas1]

Can you think off man sluggers without speed who wouldn't be? I can't imagine Louis-Peter or Louis-Shavers looking that different to this.

I think Shavers would go better TBH. Maybe not show that much durability but he'd be more dangerous IMO. Abe, just in this fight, doesn't show me Shavers type offensive danger and power. Heck, Shavers might be the hardest hitter ever. Whether he'd land bugger all on Joe is another thing of course, but he'd sure wing em. Obviously this isn't our best example of Simon.

[McGrain]

I think Shavers would go better TBH. Maybe not show that much durability but he'd be more dangerous IMO. Abe, just in this fight, doesn't show me Shavers type offensive danger and power. Heck, Shavers might be the hardest hitter ever. Whether he'd land bugger all on Joe is another thing of course, but he'd sure wing em. Obviously this isn't our best example of Simon.

Big McGrain here = You suck!

Imagine, though, being in with peak Louis and your game is in the pocket utilising your size and strength and you're not fast.


Unlucky.

[Holmes' Jab]

Shavers' brute power is always a bit of a leveller against anyone without the most granite of chins (remember Joe was seceptable to KD's early on occasion), but ultimately Louis will be the one landing first and more often/accurately. In any case it's set be an early knockout, if not Louis will get Earnie when he runs out of puff: 80:20 or more in favour of Louis.

I don't think Shavers would fare much better than Simon, but he could last a bit longer than Simon did in the rematch.

[Bokaj]

No, you don't want to be that much of a big, unmoving target when facing Louis. Beautiful, but savage, exhibition. Unbelievable that he complained at being counted out after taking that kind of beating. Tough cat, indeed.

How do you see Lyle faring against that Louis, McGrain? Would it be much the same story, you think? Foreman?

[McGrain]

How do you see Lyle faring against that Louis, McGrain? Would it be much the same story, you think? Foreman?

I'm pretty lonely in picking Louis to take out Foreman pretty early. Both aggressive, both poweful, but one has long punches and one has short punches. The simplest explanation here sees George taking 10 for me.

Lyle's chances would not be serious in my view.

[JohnThomas1]

Big McGrain here = You suck!

Imagine, though, being in with peak Louis and your game is in the pocket utilising your size and strength and you're not fast.


Unlucky.

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[Bokaj]

I'm pretty lonely in picking Louis to take out Foreman pretty early. Both aggressive, both poweful, but one has long punches and one has short punches. The simplest explanation here sees George taking 10 for me.

Lyle's chances would not be serious in my view.

I think Louis well might take Foreman out quite early, but it might go the other way as well. The sheer power and ferocity George brought into the ring in the early stages would always make him dangerous.

No, I don't think anyone really fancies Lyle's chances, but would he be a punching bag like Simon or would he bring something more to the table, you think?

[Holmes' Jab]

Lyle vs Louis is an interesting one. Lyle give Foreman all he could handle, though I don't think Foreman was phycologically the same for a good while after the Rumble: an earlier version would've been more clinical IMO. Lyle is hardpushed to make it past the early running against Louis, but if he does he wouldn't last much further than the 5th.


Louis would knock Foreman out, I'd say around the 7th (maybe after visiting the canvas himself). His compact style is perfect against the crude Foreman.

[Dempsey1238]

So is the first fight film?? Was able to pick the 2nd fight up a while ago. A lot better in viewing in seeing it on a big TV screen lol, than a small box on Youtube.

OVer all, Louis just bucther Simon, it was not much of a fight, and Simon was just out of his class. Louis look impressive though, and is a fun fight to watch, the ko was great.

[Duodenum]

He outlasted him! Kind of like Brewster with Klitschko;)Or Jeffries in the first Corbett fight, or Willard in Havana.

This may have been Joe's most inspired performance since the Schmeling rematch, so determined was he to make the dying Blackburn proud of him. (Of course we all know how Joe said to him on the radio during the post fight interview: "I hope you're proud of me Chappie," and how the listening Blackburn replied with tears in his eyes, "I sure am!") It's strange to see Louis losing his balance missing that wild right during the opening seconds in his eagerness to sacrifice Simon as a reverential offering to his beloved mentor.

Mannie Seamon was a fine trainer, but even if there had not been a WW II interrupting Joe's career, he was not likely to improve beyond the Simon rematch without Blackburn to guide him.

Jerry Quarry blew Shavers out, while Ellis had Earnie going until the referee separated them. Joe's punches were too short and crisp for Shavers to be able to cope.

Lyle probably would have tried utilizing movement and counterpunching to outbox Louis. He might have had some early success doing this, but would have worn down as the rounds accumulated.

[ChrisPontius]

Big McGrain here = You suck!

Imagine, though, being in with peak Louis and your game is in the pocket utilising your size and strength and you're not fast.


Unlucky.

Big Dee would be embarrassed by that poor imitation of a post!