Fedor Vs Prime Tyson

[onourway]

100 times in a street fight.

How many does Tyson win?

I say Fedor 100 Tyson 0.

[HawkFan16]

NO WAY. Tyson w/o gloves punches = dead Fedor. Plus, if it's in the street, Tyson could get away with breaking his arms or biting his ears- not that he'd need to.

[Shaolin Box]

Tyson 100-0... :smoke

[onourway]

NO WAY. Tyson w/o gloves punches = dead Fedor. Plus, if it's in the street, Tyson could get away with breaking his arms or biting his ears- not that he'd need to.

You think if anyone is going to breaking peoples arms, it will be Tyson? :rofl

Tyson would have to land a clean punch before he gets taken down, it's easier said than done.

[québecwarrior]

the greatest MMA fighter of all-time take it 98-2 in a street fight vs Prime Tyson..
even if Tyson drop Fedor with one punch, tyson is gonna jump on him on the ground, and Fedor have phenomenal recovery skill, and will sub Tyson in 12 seconds
but apart from that shot, Fedor would just put him down like a little girl and GnP him a little and sub him easily...
not a fair fight

[TommyV]

76-24 to Tyson.

I have no idea, I just wanted to be the first one with a very specific guess.

[POSSUM]

the better question is how much of fedor would mike eat before he gets choked out

[FlatNose]

Look , Tyson was a maniacal street fighter before he boxed. Even at 13, he had the strength of a grown man with unbelievable speed. A prime Tyson was so quick with his fists, he'd have smashed Fedor before he knew what hit him.Tyson always had the instinct of a street fighter even when he boxed. Trying to break arms, biting ears, all that good stuff.Tyson would kill Fedor in a street fight.

[TommyV]

I don't think Fedor would come back 100 times to fight Tyson. In fact I don't think he could because he'd probably be killed.

[BITCH ASS]

I don't think Fedor would come back 100 times to fight Tyson. In fact I don't think he could because he'd probably be killed.

:lol:

[Hitman-Jab]

100 times in a street fight.

How many does Tyson win?

I say Fedor 100 Tyson 0.

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YOU CANT BE SERIOUS MAN lol

BAN HIM IMMEDIATLY

[onourway]

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YOU CANT BE SERIOUS MAN lol

BAN HIM IMMEDIATLY
Tyson is a boxer, so he's skilled in one craft, on top of that he's a dirty bastard who knows a few tricks.

Whereas Fedor is the ultimate fighter, he has many assets and his skill is in a sport which is essentially street fighting with a few more rules.

All Fedor has to do is get Tyson on his back and it's over.......I think it's much more likely that he dumps Tyson on his back than Tyson landing the perfect punch everytime to stop Fedor taking him down.

[Zhaakal]

bout 70-30 in favour of Tyson

[Hitman-Jab]

Tyson is a boxer, so he's skilled in one craft, on top of that he's a dirty bastard who knows a few tricks.

Whereas Fedor is the ultimate fighter, he has many assets and his skill is in a sport which is essentially street fighting with a few more rules.

All Fedor has to do is get Tyson on his back and it's over.......I think it's much more likely that he dumps Tyson on his back than Tyson landing the perfect punch everytime to stop Fedor taking him down.

lol Perfect Punch?

You forget that Tyson was hitting guys ANYWHERE and they were going down. He wasnt landing perfect punches every time, he was just punching people shitless. It's gonna be harder to put Tyson down than you think hes a stocky guy, I've seen Fedor putting down bigger guys but they werent ferocious like Tyson, hell be headbutting, biting, kicking in the nuts, punching.

When was the last time you seen someone getting put in an armbar in a streetfight, Dont be silly :tired

[AW0L]

if neither knew what the other was capable of, Id put money on a prime tyson. ungloved recovery or not a punch from tyson is gonna lay you flat, dosent even need to be clean.

If they both knew what the other was capable of Fedor for sure.

[Hitman-Jab]

ungloved recovery or not a punch from tyson is gonna lay you flat, dosent even need to be clean.

:good

[Dr.Stobulas]

Come on people, use your brains!......9 times out of 10, Fedor kicks his ass!

[fidds]

:rofl :rofl Its such a stupid thread you might as well say a prime apollo creed ko's tyson in 5 :rofl

Ok taking it a bit far there :patsch


Creed in 3 :rofl :rofl :rofl

In all seriousness how ever good fedor is and he is damn good, can he take a flush bare knuckle shot off a young tyson :huh

[Slothrop]

the better question is how much of fedor would mike eat before he gets choked out

:lol:

[Taylor_brogdon]

Ivan Drago KO 3 Fedor in street fight

[fidds]

Ivan Drago KO 3 Fedor in street fight

Drago ko wlad 1 :lol:

[Taylor_brogdon]

Drago ko wlad 1 :lol:


Clubber Lang KO 5 Drago

[onourway]

lol Perfect Punch?

You forget that Tyson was hitting guys ANYWHERE and they were going down. He wasnt landing perfect punches every time, he was just punching people shitless. It's gonna be harder to put Tyson down than you think hes a stocky guy, I've seen Fedor putting down bigger guys but they werent ferocious like Tyson, hell be headbutting, biting, kicking in the nuts, punching.

When was the last time you seen someone getting put in an armbar in a streetfight, Dont be silly :tired

You're comparing what Fedor would do in a streetfight to an average joe?

Fedor might armbar Tyson in a street fight, why not? Tyson ain't gonna be fighting back with broken arms....

[onourway]

n all seriousness how ever good fedor is and he is damn good, can he take a flush bare knuckle shot off a young tyson

You seem to be assuming that Tyson lands a shot before Fedor takes him down....

[petrozza]

You seem to be assuming that Tyson lands a shot before Fedor takes him down....

If Tyson does land one first, Fedor sure won't be getting up....

[Dantes]

Impossible to correctly predict the outcome of 100 fights. However looking at their skillsets, Fedor takes this easily due to having superior technique and advantage on the ground and with submissions. He could literally kill Tyson if need be.

On the other hand, Tyson's got a punchers chance for some of those fights. If it was straight up boxing, Tyson would have destroyed Fedor.

[DoumB]

You seem to be assuming that Tyson lands a shot before Fedor takes him down....

are u a fuckin moron? I've been boxing for now 8 years, and did Brazilian jiu jit + muhay tai for about 3 years now, youre probably one of those retard MMA fans, when I came there all of them were joking about me boxing and I suggest them sparring with their 2 oz gloves, out of 7 sessions of sparring, 1 out of them( wich were guys with experience in the fighting game that is MMA) was able to put me down, 3 of them got their noses broken, the 2 other quit 2 because their noses were bleeding,

A boxer punches a lot harder cleaner and with a lot more damage then they do in MMA because of their stand-up positions, u think its easy to put a boxer down? most of the bad asses like tyson in boxing were street fighter u aint gonna grab their arms and break them, just watch street fighting how often u see someone getting knocked out and how often u see someone break an arm,

Fedor is a machine no doubt about it, I've been following him sfo about 2 years now but tyson if he only lands a solid shot, doestn have to be a perfect clean one, will probably break any bones in the face of fedor or even knocking him out cold, bare knuckle u probablyu never fought to think u have the time to take someone down b4 he punchs

stand in front of me and try to take me down, u think the punch of a professional boxer like tyson wouldn hit u b4 u even try to bend to grab him? then ur fuckin delusional

it could be 50/50 because yeah fedor is a beast.

[Sweet Pea]

Look , Tyson was a maniacal street fighter before he boxed. Even at 13, he had the strength of a grown man with unbelievable speed. A prime Tyson was so quick with his fists, he'd have smashed Fedor before he knew what hit him.Tyson always had the instinct of a street fighter even when he boxed. Trying to break arms, biting ears, all that good stuff.Tyson would kill Fedor in a street fight.So having street fighting instincts is going to give him the overall fighting knowledge of a man who has practiced and been suiccessful in almost every useful martial art? That's like saying someone who has seen boxing on TV would be able to beat a successful boxer.

[curmudgeon]

Tyson's entourage beats fedor to death while he tried to submit him on the ground.

I do not think they would really want to take on the friends of Fedor's brother.

[curmudgeon]

When was the last time you seen someone getting put in an armbar in a streetfight, Dont be silly :tired
You will be surprised how well many of the Samba techniques may work.

And you certainly may expect a rear naked choke or just plain old G'n'P to be effective.

[DoumB]

You will be surprised how well many of the Samba techniques may work.

And you certainly may expect a rear naked choke or just plain old G'n'P to be effective.

sorry but this is BS, iin st-georges (my natal city) some of the guys my age are local MMA fighter and like the usual MMA retard, they think theyre invincible, I've seen them fight in the street, in action when getting punched in the face thye dont try to grab arms, they always try to take ppl down.

[Sweet Pea]

lol Perfect Punch?

You forget that Tyson was hitting guys ANYWHERE and they were going down. He wasnt landing perfect punches every time, he was just punching people shitless. It's gonna be harder to put Tyson down than you think hes a stocky guy, I've seen Fedor putting down bigger guys but they werent ferocious like Tyson, hell be headbutting, biting, kicking in the nuts, punching.

When was the last time you seen someone getting put in an armbar in a streetfight, Dont be silly :tiredWhen was the last time you saw a highly skilled mixed martial artist who even knew what an armbar was in a street fight?

[Sweet Pea]

sorry but this is BS, iin st-georges (my natal city) some of the guys my age are local MMA fighter and like the usual MMA retard, they think theyre invincible, I've seen them fight in the street, in action when getting punched in the face thye dont try to grab arms, they always try to take ppl down.I saw this vid of a nobody boxer running and jumping over the ropes when his opponent was chasing him. I guess that means all boxers can't handle any form of aggression or something.

Perhaps it would be best to compare actual top notch MMA fighters rather than some schmucks you've seen at a gym starting out.

[Exposed]

Tyson is one of the hardest hitting heavyweights of all time, along with phenomenal handspeed. He would not have a hard time finding Fedor's chin...and knocking him out cold with bare fists.

[DoumB]

I saw this vid of a nobody boxer running and jumping over the ropes when his opponent was chasing him. I guess that means all boxers can't handle any form of aggression or something.

Perhaps it would be best to compare actual top notch MMA fighters rather than some schmucks you've seen at a gym starting out.

how about I just tell u my personal experience? I alreadyy told, some of them are real skilled, but all of them have problems in stand up ( well almost) like I stated I sparred with them and most of them who were practicing this for a few years while this being my second class were not able to bring me down and were getting their ass kicked on stand up till they had enought, and beleive me I'm far from a real good boxer. that tells enough about how would a prime tyson would fare against fedor, in my book its 50/50 if fedor got hit he would loose, if he skip block and take down mike, then its over.

[Sweet Pea]

how about I just tell u my personal experience? I alreadyy told, some of them are real skilled, but all of them have problems in stand up ( well almost) like I stated I sparred with them and most of them who were practicing this for a few years while this being my second class were not able to bring me down and were getting their ass kicked on stand up till they had enought, and beleive me I'm far from a real good boxer. that tells enough about how would a prime tyson would fare against fedor, in my book its 50/50 if fedor got hit he would loose, if he skip block and take down mike, then its over.You've said that you have experience in MMA as well, so you stuffing a takedown wouldn't be quite the same as someone with no experience stuffing it.

And honestly, there is basically no comparison between that and Fedor vs Tyson.

[DoumB]

You've said that you have experience in MMA as well, so you stuffing a takedown wouldn't be quite the same as someone with no experience stuffing it.

And honestly, there is basically no comparison between that and Fedor vs Tyson.

did u ever try one of the 2? if yeah you would know what I'm talking about, throwing and landing a punch when u trained all your life for it doesnt even take the 1/4 of a second, while a takedown, or a kick takes a lot more time, my point is that if that punch lands, its over, if it dont and fedor manage to get inside of it its over too. thats all I'm saying

[Sweet Pea]

did u ever try one of the 2? if yeah you would know what I'm talking about, throwing and landing a punch when u trained all your life for it doesnt even take the 1/4 of a second, while a takedown, or a kick takes a lot more time, my point is that if that punch lands, its over, if it dont and fedor manage to get inside of it its over too. thats all I'm sayingFedor is a master of Sambo, which means he is fantastic in the clinch. If a boxer is overwhelmed on the feet, he'll simply clinch. Same with an MMA fighter facing a boxer, except MMA fighters are trained in the clinch, and Fedor would immediately take Tyson down off the first tie-up unless Tyson just landed the first punch he threw full on. Not very likely when looking at it from an objective point of view.

And yes, I have trained in MMA and boxing. I prefer boxing as a sport aeesthetically, but in terms of which is the more effective overall, definitely MMA. Then again they are two different sports entirely where an MMA fighter beats a boxer under MMA rules and a boxer beats an MMA fighter under boxing rules, with some exceptions every now and then maybe.

[DoumB]

I simply hate the casual MMA fan who never realy understood anything else then MMA and think u can be invincible cause u exerce more techniques of fighting while they dont understand u cant be 100% in every part of the arts theyre using, why? a lot of it is on the stand up positions and the way they cant do the weight transfer because of fear of take downs. I've been teached all that and seen it quite often on the professionnal and amateur ground

[Shpion]

Pointless thread with a lot of childish remarks. I wish this board was at least restricted to 18 and up.

[DoumB]

Fedor is a master of Sambo, which means he is fantastic in the clinch. If a boxer is overwhelmed on the feet, he'll simply clinch. Same with an MMA fighter facing a boxer, except MMA fighters are trained in the clinch, and Fedor would immediately take Tyson down off the first tie-up unless Tyson just landed the first punch he threw full on. Not very likely when looking at it from an objective point of view.

And yes, I have trained in MMA and boxing. I prefer boxing as a sport aeesthetically, but in terms of which is the more effective overall, definitely MMA. Then again they are two different sports entirely where an MMA fighter beats a boxer under MMA rules and a boxer beats an MMA fighter under boxing rules, with some exceptions every now and then maybe.

I see your point and thats what I'm often debating with my friends there at the gym, MMA is concentrated on opportunities, boxing is more of a hit and not get hit thing, u think tyson would try to tie fedor if the 2 knew themselves? tyson would stay ouutside waiting for him to make a move and I think fedor wouldnt try to exchange with him

[scurlaruntings]

Pointless thread with a lot of childish remarks. I wish this board was at least restricted to 18 and up. :thumbsup

[DoumB]

btw sweet I'm not pointing u by saying the casual MMA fan cause I know u know your shit I' pointing the ones who always come in here and dish boxing because they think MMA fighter could always kick boxers asses outside of a ring. why would they fight outside of a ring anyway..

[chliJs]

it's just like asking who would win 100 meters, bekele or michael johnson.

you could also argue that mma is not as advanced as boxing from a training standpoint, still, that would be like comparing bekele with a top tier 200m guy from 50 years ago - he still wouldn't stand a chance.

you must be totally out of your mind to vote tyson, and i'm one big tyson groupie.

[pryorgatti]

Bruce Lee kills Fedor, so do Mike Tyson, Sonny Liston and George Foreman

They'd land faster to the vital points

[Rebel-INS]

Who the fuck is Fedor?

[pryorgatti]

A nobody. This is a boxing forum, so a sport forum... MMA isn't recognized as an olympic sport. so fedor is nothing

we all have brothers with REAL RAGE in da hood or in jail who can kick his ass

stop talking about him

Talk boxing please

[bigmarkd86]

100 times in a street fight.

How many does Tyson win?

I say Fedor 100 Tyson 0.
It all depends if Fedor hurts or offends any of that crazy bastards pigeons lol

[huki]

Tyson maybe wins 1 out of 100 in a street fight if he gets lucky.

Fedor never wins against Tyson in boxing.

[_J_G_]

Probably only one fight, Tyson with a left uppercut to Fedors bollocks and he chokes on them.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

I don't think that Tyson has a real chance in this one.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

no 1 beats tyson in a street fight no 1!!!!!!!!!!
Why?:huh

[daprofessor]

100 times in a street fight.

How many does Tyson win?

I say Fedor 100 Tyson 0.

are u serious!?:lol:

u should be banned from this site.

[sues2nd]

100 times in a street fight.

How many does Tyson win?

I say Fedor 100 Tyson 0.

:patsch

STREET FIGHT???

Your delusional.

[BITCH ASS]

Fedor is a master of Sambo, which means he is fantastic in the clinch. If a boxer is overwhelmed on the feet, he'll simply clinch. Same with an MMA fighter facing a boxer, except MMA fighters are trained in the clinch, and Fedor would immediately take Tyson down off the first tie-up unless Tyson just landed the first punch he threw full on. Not very likely when looking at it from an objective point of view.

And yes, I have trained in MMA and boxing. I prefer boxing as a sport aeesthetically, but in terms of which is the more effective overall, definitely MMA. Then again they are two different sports entirely where an MMA fighter beats a boxer under MMA rules and a boxer beats an MMA fighter under boxing rules, with some exceptions every now and then maybe.

BAN THIS FOOL!

[BITCH ASS]

Fedor is a master of Sambo, which means he is fantastic in the clinch. If a boxer is overwhelmed on the feet, he'll simply clinch. Same with an MMA fighter facing a boxer, except MMA fighters are trained in the clinch, and Fedor would immediately take Tyson down off the first tie-up unless Tyson just landed the first punch he threw full on. Not very likely when looking at it from an objective point of view.

And yes, I have trained in MMA and boxing. I prefer boxing as a sport aeesthetically, but in terms of which is the more effective overall, definitely MMA. Then again they are two different sports entirely where an MMA fighter beats a boxer under MMA rules and a boxer beats an MMA fighter under boxing rules, with some exceptions every now and then maybe.


That's cuz you probably hit like a girl.

In that case, yeah gay ass wrestling is for you.

Actually I can't say that, my good friend is a badass wrestler and he can fight, but that's more of just him being a straight up athlete.

He played strong safety in college, was good at baseball, probably could have gone pro, just a straight up athlete.

So is Tyson.

[BITCH ASS]

I don't think that Tyson has a real chance in this one.

You're crazy man.

I know you've been to a boxing gym and I know you're bent on wrestling, but some people can hit THAT much harder and are THAT much faster.

Tyson can knock out a 6'3'' 235 lb cut up man with one punch. I seen it done.

Fedor can beat him, but Tyson is a whole nother level. He makes Fedor look like he's in triple slow motion compared to him.

[enzo]

In a street fight fedor breaks tyson's hands and legs...

look how he beat this giant!
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in a boxing match tyson will put him into coma... :good

[Quickhands21]

People act like that tyson is a boxer that he couldnt slam the shit out of somebody..who knows..My bet would be on tyson

[batang kanto]

Originally Posted by capfunds

That's cuz you probably hit like a girl.

In that case, yeah gay ass wrestling is for you.

Actually I can't say that, my good friend is a badass wrestler and he can fight, but that's more of just him being a straight up athlete.

He played strong safety in college, was good at baseball, probably could have gone pro, just a straight up athlete.

So is Tyson.

lol. tyson is a freak of nature. even if you're so good and skilled in MMA you're options are limited when a beast that could crack comes straight at you fast and furious. and don't think tyson would be outskilled just like that. tyson is skilled himself and very strong. offensively he may look one-dimensional compared to fedor but what a dimension it is. it could just carry him through the fight. it's a fight after all, i doubt if fedor could utilize all his skills.

[batang kanto]

people tend to think because you're a boxer you cannot take down someone or defend yourself in a takedown. that's bullshit. even if fedor is skilled tyson evens out with brute strenght and speed and most importantly skilled striking..

[Dostoevsky]

Tyson would of course land a mircale punch that would KO Fedor in 2 seconds! :roll: :lol: Thats how the explanation always goes for boxers vs MMA fighters, the boxer always lands a miracle KO punch in the first 5 seconds before the MMA fighter can clinch like some sort of superman! Because, boxers never miss punches do they! Tyson won all his fights in the first 5 seconds with 1 punch! Wait what.......you mean he didn't? :huh You mean he had to land several punches over the course of several rounds and sometimes didn't knock out his opponents at all..... even in his prime? Whoddathunkit. :shock:


Of course Fedor would win, what a ridiculous question.
*Ding*
Touch Gloves
Mike comes in
Clinch
To the floor
*Submission of Fedors choice*
Win.

[Quickhands21]

Tysons built perfect for a street fighter.Short with very strong legs.Everybody knows tall guys are at a disadvantage. Imagine fedor shooting for tysons legs man could he do damage..But imagine him shooting for the legs an catching a flush uppercut from tyson.We will never know

[Sweet Pea]

Tyson would of course land a mircale punch that would KO Fedor in 2 seconds! :roll: :lol: Thats how the explanation always goes for boxers vs MMA fighters, the boxer always lands a miracle KO punch in the first 5 seconds before the MMA fighter can clinch like some sort of superman! Because, boxers never miss punches do they! Tyson won all his fights in the first 5 seconds with 1 punch! Wait what.......you mean he didn't? :huh You mean he had to land several punches over the course of several rounds and sometimes didn't knock out his opponents at all..... even in his prime? Whoddathunkit. :shock:


Of course Fedor would win, what a ridiculous question.
*Ding*
Touch Gloves
Mike comes in
Clinch
To the floor
*Submission of Fedors choice*
Win.:good

[billyconn]

That's cuz you probably hit like a girl.

In that case, yeah gay ass wrestling is for you.

Actually I can't say that, my good friend is a badass wrestler and he can fight, but that's more of just him being a straight up athlete.

He played strong safety in college, was good at baseball, probably could have gone pro, just a straight up athlete.

So is Tyson.

why didn't he go pro if he could have? if you're good enough u get drafted....

[Dostoevsky]

Tysons built perfect for a street fighter.Short with very strong legs.Everybody knows tall guys are at a disadvantage. Imagine fedor shooting for tysons legs man could he do damage..But imagine him shooting for the legs an catching a flush uppercut from tyson.We will never know

Fedor doesn't shoot. He gets takedowns from the clinch using Judo and sambo throws.
Also Tyson -5'11, Fedor-6'0
I've seen pictures of them together, the height difference is insignificant.

[cardstars]

Tysons built perfect for a street fighter.Short with very strong legs.Everybody knows tall guys are at a disadvantage.

This is a common myth, and completely false

[billyconn]

This is a common myth, and completely false

Anderson Silva is very squat......:lol:

[Quickhands21]

Fedor doesn't shoot. He gets takedowns from the clinch using Judo and sambo throws.
Also Tyson -5'11, Fedor-6'0
I've seen pictures of them together, the height difference is insignificant.
Have you ever been in a streetfight? Martial arts dont work to well,,its best to just keep it simple.My uncle is considered by many to be the greatest streetfighter ever,an he just threw his hands.

[sugarngold]

In a street fight, Tyson would win at least a couple of those fights because he would not be afraid to bite Fedor in the throat. Otherwise, Fedor throws Mike on his head 9 times out of 10.

[billyconn]

people tend to think because you're a boxer you cannot take down someone or defend yourself in a takedown. that's bullshit. even if fedor is skilled tyson evens out with brute strenght and speed and most importantly skilled striking..

people don't realize takedowns and takedown defense are a big part of boxing training....:good

[cardstars]

Tyson would of course land a mircale punch that would KO Fedor in 2 seconds! :roll: :lol: Thats how the explanation always goes for boxers vs MMA fighters, the boxer always lands a miracle KO punch in the first 5 seconds before the MMA fighter can clinch like some sort of superman! Because, boxers never miss punches do they! Tyson won all his fights in the first 5 seconds with 1 punch! Wait what.......you mean he didn't? :huh You mean he had to land several punches over the course of several rounds and sometimes didn't knock out his opponents at all..... even in his prime? Whoddathunkit. :shock:


Of course Fedor would win, what a ridiculous question.
*Ding*
Touch Gloves
Mike comes in
Clinch
To the floor
*Submission of Fedors choice*
Win.

I agree with this, but the thread asked how many times out of 100 would Tyson win. I think he has enough tenacity, skill, strength, and quickness to win 5-10 times out of 100 in a street fight against Fedor. This is really retarded though, because people will have their opinions that I doubt you can talk them out of......I dont even know why im responding to this thread actually :lol:

[billyconn]

Have you ever been in a streetfight? Martial arts dont work to well,,its best to just keep it simple.My uncle is considered by many to be the greatest streetfighter ever,an he just threw his hands.

Your uncle is Kevin Ferguson.....

[Sweet Pea]

Have you ever been in a streetfight? Martial arts dont work to well,,its best to just keep it simple.My uncle is considered by many to be the greatest streetfighter ever,an he just threw his hands.:rofl

[cardstars]

My uncle is considered by many to be the greatest streetfighter ever,an he just threw his hands.

Theres no way thats possible....that title belongs to MY uncle. And for the record my dad can beat up your dad

[Quickhands21]

Theres no way thats possible....that title belongs to MY uncle. And for the record my dad can beat up your dad
Lol i know sounds rediculous huh? few people on here actually know who he is..

[konaman]

the greatest MMA fighter of all-time take it 98-2 in a street fight vs Prime Tyson..
even if Tyson drop Fedor with one punch, tyson is gonna jump on him on the ground, and Fedor have phenomenal recovery skill, and will sub Tyson in 12 seconds
but apart from that shot, Fedor would just put him down like a little girl and GnP him a little and sub him easily...
not a fair fight
Your kidding yourself if you think a bareknuckle Tyson punch landing flush would only drop him.

If Tyson landed flush on any person in a street fight they wouldn't get up for several minutes. Hell most decent sized blokes with no fighting background can comfortably pull 1 punch knockouts in street fights.

I'd say it would be something like 90-10. Fedor would just be too well rounded.

You have to remember, Tysons power without gloves would be explosive, i'd hazard a guess to say that if Mike Tyson got in 100 street fights he would kill someone with a single punch in at least one of those fights.

*Edit being a street fight - it would depend on circumstances - if Tyson threw fight in every fight i'd have him winning probably 95-5, and vice versa for Fedor. However if both were prepared and got their guard up etc and circled a bit first, then my previous statements would play out.

[Dostoevsky]

Have you ever been in a streetfight? Martial arts dont work to well,,its best to just keep it simple.My uncle is considered by many to be the greatest streetfighter ever,an he just threw his hands.

riiiight.....I think your thinking of martial arts as the typical Bruce Lee flying kicks and cartwheel nonsense as opposed to MMA.
I have to ask the question whether you've actually seen a Fedor Emelianenko fight.

Heres a small highlight of him:
[Only registered and activated users can see links]

Please take note of the clip where he is slammed on his neck by a suplex. He still wins that fight. This man can just qualify as human.

[batang kanto]

Originally Posted by Dostoevsky

Tyson would of course land a mircale punch that would KO Fedor in 2 seconds! Thats how the explanation always goes for boxers vs MMA fighters, the boxer always lands a miracle KO punch in the first 5 seconds before the MMA fighter can clinch like some sort of superman! Because, boxers never miss punches do they! Tyson won all his fights in the first 5 seconds with 1 punch! Wait what.......you mean he didn't? You mean he had to land several punches over the course of several rounds and sometimes didn't knock out his opponents at all..... even in his prime? Whoddathunkit.


Of course Fedor would win, what a ridiculous question.
*Ding*
Touch Gloves
Mike comes in
Clinch
To the floor
*Submission of Fedors choice*
Win.

and what, if you're an MMA skilled fighter you always win in the first five second in a clinch? that's why most clinch last for minutes with both fighters doing nothing but breath in each others necks. and if you're a boxer once you've been clinched you do nothing and let the MMA opponent do his stuff.

it's not like that. in a street fight, tyson could do anything while in a clinch. he could wrestle with his stocky built, he could bite fedor in the neck, pull out his eyeballs, punch him in the head and body, anything. the thing is tyson is a very strong fighter with a devastating punch. he comes at full speed and very menacing. it's doubtful if fedor could maximize his skills when he's getting bombarded from all sides.

[Quickhands21]

riiiight.....I think your thinking of martial arts as the typical Bruce Lee flying kicks and cartwheel nonsense as opposed to MMA.
I have to ask the question whether you've actually seen a Fedor Emelianenko fight.

Heres a small highlight of him:
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Please take note of the clip where he is slammed on his neck by a suplex. He still wins that fight. This man can just qualify as human.
ive seen him fight

[Zakman]

Tyson destroys that UFC clown.

[Dostoevsky]

Your kidding yourself if you think a bareknuckle Tyson punch landing flush would only drop him.

If Tyson landed flush on any person in a street fight they wouldn't get up for several minutes. Hell most decent sized blokes with no fighting background can comfortably pull 1 punch knockouts in street fights.

I'd say it would be something like 90-10. Fedor would just be too well rounded.

You have to remember, Tysons power without gloves would be explosive, i'd hazard a guess to say that if Mike Tyson got in 100 street fights he would kill someone with a single punch in at least one of those fights.

*Edit being a street fight - it would depend on circumstances - if Tyson threw fight in every fight i'd have him winning probably 95-5, and vice versa for Fedor. However if both were prepared and got their guard up etc and circled a bit first, then my previous statements would play out.

Sorry but that has been tested and proven not true. Tyson barenknuckle punched Mitch Green and yes, it caused extensive facial damage but it did not knock out Green for several minutes. Wearing boxing gloves actually allows you to punch much much harder and increase the probabilty of KO's.

[Sweet Pea]

Tyson destroys that UFC clown.:rofl

[billyconn]

Lol i know sounds rediculous huh? few people on here actually know who he is..

Is your Uncle Michael Moorer?

[Quickhands21]

Is your Uncle Michael Moorer?
No all streetfighter..Dont ever talk bout it like its important just brought it up on this thread giving an example,but clowns laugh like they know shit lol..but not a thing..Joey Diven

[billyconn]

Tyson destroys that UFC clown.

even boxing spectators like yourself could whup any ole UFC clowns....:good

[billyconn]

No all streetfighter..Dont ever talk bout it like its important just brought it up on this thread giving an example,but clowns laugh like they know shit lol..but not a thing..Joey Diven

I am just playin I have no idea how bad your uncles is/was....

[Dostoevsky]

and what, if you're an MMA skilled fighter you always win in the first five second in a clinch?

No. Only if you're a good fighter with a knowledge of submissions and good wrestling. Thats what Fedor would do to Tyson. Tim Sylvia probably wouldn't do that for example. But in this case, this is what happens. Fedor clinces immiedately and takes Tyson down.

that's why most clinch last for minutes with both fighters doing nothing but breath in each others necks. and if you're a boxer once you've been clinched you do nothing and let the MMA opponent do his stuff.

When you see MMA fighters clinching for minutes on the ground it is because they both have knowledge of what they are doing, hence they are neutralizing each others available moves into submissions. Tyson would not have a clue what to do on the ground.

it's not like that. in a street fight, tyson could do anything while in a clinch.

Well no, not everything, he would not know what to do in the clinch and would probably be completley controlled by Fedors clinch. MMA clinches aren't like boxing clinches where the fighters just tie each other up and wait for the ref to break them, MMA clinches are working towards something and if you don't know what you're doing the other guy is going to take advantage of that and get dominant control.

he could wrestle with his stocky built,

He could try and wrestle all he wanted to but since he doesn't know how to wrestle that would not be productive.

he could bite fedor in the neck,

He could......but Tyson isn't a literal animal. He doesn't posess the jaw power or teeth to truly end a fight by biting someone in the neck.

pull out his eyeballs,

Now you're getting silly.

punch him in the head and body, anything.

Ok...but how many punches would he get off with Fedor taking him to the ground instantly with a throw or trip...1?

the thing is tyson is a very strong fighter with a devastating punch. he comes at full speed and very menacing. it's doubtful if fedor could maximize his skills when he's getting bombarded from all sides.

Fedor is both fast and strong and has knowledge of wrestling and submissions. Something Tyson does not. Fedor has more tools to use to win the fight.

[Quickhands21]

He was the bodyguard for the guy in your avatar actually..google sumtime..Funny you asked bro..

[batang kanto]

fedor would be bombarded. its difficult to remain composed when you're being attcked. and getting a clinch doesn't necessarily give it in favor of fedor. tyson could still fight

[Dostoevsky]

He was the bodyguard for the guy in your avatar actually..google sumtime..Funny you asked bro..

You don't happen to have an angelfire website dedicated to him do you?

[Quickhands21]

You don't happen to have an angelfire website dedicated to him do you?
No

[billyconn]

Have you ever been in a streetfight? Martial arts dont work to well,,its best to just keep it simple.My uncle is considered by many to be the greatest streetfighter ever,an he just threw his hands.

What's your point, Mark Coleman would have whupped your Uncle's ass.....And all he was a GnP wrestler.....:good

Kurt Angle never threw a fist and I guarantee he'd kick the shit out your uncle..... and he was from Mt. Lebenon but he also happened to win a gold medal in freestyle wrestling.....

[Quickhands21]

What's your point, Mark Coleman would have whupped your Uncle's ass.....And all he was a GnP wrestler.....:good

Kurt Angle never threw a fist and I guarantee he'd kick the shit out your uncle..... and he was from Mt. Lebenon but he also happened to win a gold medal in freestyle wrestling.....
You never even read about him..I know Kurt angle as did my unc..He would tell you different buddy..

[billyconn]

You never even read about him..I know Kurt angle as did my unc..He would tell you different buddy..

What's his name?

[Quickhands21]

I use to chill at kurts house when he was living in Dormont with his nephew Tommy..And your right Kurt was from Mt LEBANON..whats your point..You shouldnt speak out of line when you clearly dont even know what the hell your talking about.. I brought this up as an example.Not to sound like a 5th grade smartshit trying to brag..chillout

[Quickhands21]

What's his name?
Joey Diven..jesus lol..

[billyconn]

I use to chill at kurts house when he was living in Dormont with his nephew Tommy..And your right Kurt was from Mt LEBANON..whats your point..You shouldnt speak out of line when you clearly dont even know what the hell your talking about.. I brought this up as an example.Not to sound like a 5th grade smartshit trying to brag..chillout

Speak out of line.....:lol: This is a discussion about who'd win between Fedor and Tyson (which is preposterous to being with) and you bring up your (non-sequitor) uncle (who was a bare fisted brawler) who adds absolutely no relevance to the conversation unless he entered some MMA contests and only used his fists (since that's all he had to use according to you) so please cut out the tough guy act....maybe you should read a book educate yourself.....:lol: :good

[Quickhands21]

Speak out of line.....:lol: This is a discussion about who'd win between Fedor and Tyson (which is preposterous to being with) and you bring up your (non-sequitor) uncle (who was a bare fisted brawler) who adds absolutely no relevance to the conversation unless he entered some MMA contests and only used his fists (since that's all he had to use according to you) so please cut out the tough guy act....maybe you should read a book educate yourself.....:lol: :good
Yeah the Tough guy act..chillout

[billyconn]

Yeah the Tough guy act..chillout

if you read a book we have a deal.....:deal :lol: :good

it's all good .....just playing.....

[Amsterdam]

Tyson destroys that UFC clown.
Oh come on man, Fedor is not even apart of the UFC. He's arguably the greatest fighter of all time in any combat sport comparison period. Fedor is more dominate in mixed martial arts HW, against many, many different styles and many fantastic athletic fighters than any boxer by comparison. The top level at MMA is just as difficult as the top level at boxing in a different way.

There is no possible way a boxer, no matter how amazing, defeats Fedor.

[ROUND1]

Tyson would of course land a mircale punch that would KO Fedor in 2 seconds! :roll: :lol: Thats how the explanation always goes for boxers vs MMA fighters, the boxer always lands a miracle KO punch in the first 5 seconds before the MMA fighter can clinch like some sort of superman! Because, boxers never miss punches do they! Tyson won all his fights in the first 5 seconds with 1 punch! Wait what.......you mean he didn't? :huh You mean he had to land several punches over the course of several rounds and sometimes didn't knock out his opponents at all..... even in his prime? Whoddathunkit. :shock:


Of course Fedor would win, what a ridiculous question.
*Ding*
Touch Gloves
Mike comes in
Clinch
To the floor
*Submission of Fedors choice*
Win.


there is no ding or touching of the gloves u moron its called a street fight a.k.a no rules a.k.a barefist

in saying that i reckon its a matter of who gets in first if tyson lands first he wins if fedor gets inside its a take down and GnP

IM SAYING 50/50:good

[Dostoevsky]

there is no ding or touching of the gloves u moron its called a street fight a.k.a no rules a.k.a barefist

in saying that i reckon its a matter of who gets in first if tyson lands first he wins if fedor gets inside its a take down and GnP

IM SAYING 50/50:good

Fine.


Mike comes in
Clinch
To the floor
*Submission of Fedors choice*
Win

[ROUND1]

Fine.


Mike comes in
Clinch
To the floor
*Submission of Fedors choice*
Win

MIKE IS NOT COMING IN CLINCHING EITHER HES COMING IN SWINGING :yep

[Dostoevsky]

MIKE IS NOT COMING IN CLINCHING EITHER HES COMING IN SWINGING :yep

Well Fedor is coming in clinching.

[Addie]

Fedor is a great MMA Fighter, but there's still rules in the octagon, there ain't no rules on the street.

A prime Tyson in a street fight would be a daunting task to put it mildy. He is a faster than Fedor, he punches twice as hard as fedor, and he is built like a brick shit house.

I don't know about Fedor, but I would run.

[batang kanto]

skills is very much overrated in MMA. these guys still greatly rely on strength and opportunity to hit a big strike. and this is very likely because defense against strikes isn't a big priority in MMA or at least not the sole priority with defense against take-downs still pre-occupying the fighters' minds.

that is why upsets are very common. there is always a changing of the guard going on, and new-comers with enough balls beating an experienced fighter is very likely. the so-called elites with a few exceptions have a lot of losses. that's because their skills isn't as overwhelming to a man who just fights and rely on his instincts to pound an opponent. if skills is overrated in MMA, then its even more in an actual street fight. usually the one with the better brute strength and speed and menacing attitude wins. don't underestimate a naturally-gifted striker like tyson in this fight.

[ROUND1]

Well Fedor is coming in clinching.

if he comes in trying to clinch he might find himself on the end of a brutal uppercut..his best bet is coming in for a double leg takedown :D

[Zakman]

even boxing spectators like yourself could whup any ole UFC clowns....:good

Bingo. I'd take a toughman competitor over most of those glass-jawed jokes. :nod

[Quickhands21]

skills is very much overrated in MMA. these guys still greatly rely on strength and opportunity to hit a big strike. and this is very likely because defense against strikes isn't a big priority in MMA or at least not the sole priority with defense against take-downs still pre-occupying the fighters' minds.

that is why upsets are very common. there is always a changing of the guard going on, and new-comers with enough balls beating an experienced fighter is very likely. the so-called elites with a few exceptions have a lot of losses. that's because their skills isn't as overwhelming to a man who just fights and rely on his instincts to pound an opponent. if skills is overrated in MMA, then its even more in an actual street fight. usually the one with the better brute strength and speed and menacing attitude wins. don't underestimate a naturally-gifted striker like tyson in this fight.
exactly..I said before in a streetfight you have to keep it real basic an people laughed..Martial arts are great.Streetfighting is a whole different ball game..You usually have to be tough as hell..take a good shot n use common sense

[Quickhands21]

Fedor would beat the brakes off me..But if i had tysons traits.i would pull something unpredictable an try to lock it up with fedor real fast an wing a couple.In alley scraps most get knocked cold trying to get creative

[curmudgeon]

He's arguably the greatest fighter of all time in any combat sport comparison period.

No, the guy in my avatar is the greatest. Those russians have something going about that.

[Scar]

76-24 to Tyson.

I have no idea, I just wanted to be the first one with a very specific guess.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[TheH1tMan]

skills is very much overrated in MMA. these guys still greatly rely on strength and opportunity to hit a big strike. and this is very likely because defense against strikes isn't a big priority in MMA or at least not the sole priority with defense against take-downs still pre-occupying the fighters' minds.

that is why upsets are very common. there is always a changing of the guard going on, and new-comers with enough balls beating an experienced fighter is very likely. the so-called elites with a few exceptions have a lot of losses. that's because their skills isn't as overwhelming to a man who just fights and rely on his instincts to pound an opponent. if skills is overrated in MMA, then its even more in an actual street fight. usually the one with the better brute strength and speed and menacing attitude wins. don't underestimate a naturally-gifted striker like tyson in this fight.

You are saying "this is why upsets are common".

We are talking about Fedor. The GOAT of MMA and incomparable to any other past or present mma fighter.

[TheH1tMan]

A few people say "Tyson would probably kill him .."

Well, Tyson was bad and he wanted to eat your children and so on. Fact is that Tyson is pretty much just a basket case of a lost childhood and not enough intelligence to compute his troubles. Meanwhile Fedor is a real case of calculated bad-ass. Now he doesn't have the mouth, but he has the action.

I think the Emileanenkos might have been serial killers if they couldn't fight. Who knows. Alexander ruled the prison he was in ruthlessly.

Tyson was bad - mostly because he heard voices and what not - Fedor much badder because he would just calmly separate Tyson's head from his neck. In a real street fight best out of 100 Fedor wins 1-0 and Tysons torso is found in a Russian river with no hands and no head.

For some reason, african-americans have subdued white americans and white americans have bought into it. This is why black americans are tougher than white americans. Or is it because blacks are tougher than whites? No. Look at boxing - ruled by Klitschos, Ibragimov etc. Look at wrestling - dominated by Mahkov. Look at mma - ruled by Fedor etc. and so on. It is in white americans' heads. IF africanamerican were women we could say that white americans are pussywhipped...

Tyson was a great boxer and one of perhaps 5 boxers all time (Ali, Naseem, Tyson, RJJ and SRL) that I always looked forward to see fight no matter who the opponent was. Any other fighter I would only see if the opposition was worth is. BUT - Fedor would kill him in a streetfight. He would break his arm and then kill him. Or he would just strangle him. Fedor is not an American de-masculinized white boy - and he does not have the same inferiority complex.

[batang kanto]

Originally Posted by Theh1tman

We are talking about Fedor. The GOAT of MMA and incomparable to any other past or present mma fighter.

and we are also talking about tyson. he might not be the most skilled but one of the best and baddest heavyweights in history. this is street fight, he isn't as skilled as ali or johnson but he dkues hard in a streetfight. fedor isn't just fighting some black bouncer in some club. he's fighting an offensively monstrous puncher here. fedor may outnumber tyson in skills and tyson would look one-dimensional but that dimension is very effective. and still i maintain skills is very overrated for MMA fighters even for fedor. it would be even more so in a streetfight.

now why do you have to insert that race black versus white thing here. last time you posted, you were underestimating the latinos and asians while praising the whites and blacks. you're always off-tangent.

[rydersonthestorm]

and we are also talking about tyson. he might not be the most skilled but one of the best and baddest heavyweights in history. this is street fight, he isn't as skilled as ali or johnson but he dkues hard in a streetfight. fedor isn't just fighting some black bouncer in some club. he's fighting an offensively monstrous puncher here. fedor may outnumber tyson in skills and tyson would look one-dimensional but that dimension is very effective. and still i maintain skills is very overrated for MMA fighters even for fedor. it would be even more so in a streetfight.

now why do you have to insert that race black versus white thing here. last time you posted, you were underestimating the latinos and asians while praising the whites and blacks. you're always off-tangent.
well discount the skills of mma and he is a sambo and judo world champion and he used to be in the russian army so there are a few other tools he has which go above him just being an mma fighter.

[TheH1tMan]

well discount the skills of mma and he is a sambo and judo world champion and he used to be in the russian army so there are a few other tools he has which go above him just being an mma fighter.

Yes, he is three time Sambo world champion and Sambo is far closer to streetfight than boxing is. He has fought and killed bears and I think he would calmly kill Tyson.

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Now goodridge is not Tyson, but Fedor would win in whatever way it takes. For example Sylvia has been hit by many many people and he was almost crying in the press conference after the fight saying "I have never been hit that hard.. Fedor is not human.." Fedor has some Marciano stuff going there. However, as a boxing fan first (and mma second) I do not think Fedor wants to stand and trade with Tyson too long. He will get close and then it is all in his world. Tyson won't even have time to bite an ear before his arm or neck is broken.

[batang kanto]

Originally Posted by Theh1tman

He has fought and killed bears and I think he would calmly kill Tyson.


WTF. a while ago you have this thing against race. now its animals. i bet fedor's skin is as thick as a rhino's; bear claws wouldn't scratch it. not for his life. and he could dodge bullets. not even chuck norris stands in his way, no sir he would silently kill him and rambo at the same time:rofl :rofl :rofl

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

You're crazy man.

I know you've been to a boxing gym and I know you're bent on wrestling, but some people can hit THAT much harder and are THAT much faster.

Tyson can knock out a 6'3'' 235 lb cut up man with one punch. I seen it done.

Fedor can beat him, but Tyson is a whole nother level. He makes Fedor look like he's in triple slow motion compared to him.
I have knocked out a big man as well... with one punch. However, we aren't just talking about a big man... we are talking about the best MMA fighter in the world. I don't know where people get the idea that a fight is all about punches. People become a little brainwashed when watching boxing over time. You start to think these people are untouchable because you see what they can do when a person is boxing along with them, under boxing rules. I am not even talking about just grappling either... I have seen a lot of boxers get their asses handed to them on their feet in an MMA gym. Guys who would own the MMA guy under boxing rules... just can't adjust to the fact that the person can kick, knee, elbow, clinch, shoot, ect.... You can't even use a normal boxing stance... and once that stance goes you aren't boxing anymore. It is 1000 times easier to just get your hands on someone in order to take them down, then it is to land a knockout punch before that happens. Especially when you are talking about a person who is a world class grappler vs a person who has no grappling experience what-so-ever.

Also... you have to realize that these guys can take punches too. In the event that Tyson does land a punch... it isn't as if someone like Fedor would be automatically knocked out. That's a fantasy world. There are plenty of strikers in the world who hit as hard as Tyson, and Fedor has already fought some of them. I would rather take my chances of absorbing a punch from Tyson than a high kick from Cro-Cop.

Tyson has been in several street altercations and didn't come across to me as someone who would be blowing someone like Fedor apart. None of his street fighting opponents have died either... although people pretend that Tyson kills people with a punch. Hell... he was beating up a drunk 5'3" mexican and his wife (and then another small guy) at that hotel... and had to hit the men several times. Tyson even had to stop and remove his jacket during the fight... Now... if Tyson can't just go in there and blow out a tiny mexican autograph seeker (he beat the guy up, but you know what I mean).... how on earth is he just going to knock out Fedor without any troubles? It isn't going to happen. Fedor (who also happens to be sick with his hands)... would easily move into clinching range... put Tyson down, and ruin him.


I have been a huge Tyson fan since I was a little kid... but this is reality.

[Jovanie]

are weapons allowed in this street fight?

[coog]

I donot know why I even respond to these insane Questions. Tyson would have a chance but very little chance. Logic tells you this some of you fans just donot recognize the skill set that these elite MMA guys have . Tyson may be able to sunday punch him unexpectedly or hit him with something but if they squared off. He would have very little chance with Fedor or Randy or any of those guys Yu must understand that. Or you just refuse to understand and want to think what yu want to think out of stubbornness.

[coog]

Tysons built perfect for a street fighter.Short with very strong legs.Everybody knows tall guys are at a disadvantage. Imagine fedor shooting for tysons legs man could he do damage..But imagine him shooting for the legs an catching a flush uppercut from tyson.We will never know there is no such thing as a perfect build for a street fighter.

[BITCH ASS]

why didn't he go pro if he could have? if you're good enough u get drafted....

He broke his leg BAD

[coog]

it's just like asking who would win 100 meters, bekele or michael johnson.

you could also argue that mma is not as advanced as boxing from a training standpoint, still, that would be like comparing bekele with a top tier 200m guy from 50 years ago - he still wouldn't stand a chance.

you must be totally out of your mind to vote tyson, and i'm one big tyson groupie. MMA is as advanced as boxing by a training standpoint perhaps tougher. the MMA fighters who have a strong wrestling background are usually a lot strongr than boxers.

[BITCH ASS]

I think some of ya'll just hit like some bitches and you got a grudge against boxers cuz ya'll can't hit.

The thing is, a mother fucker that can hit has two options. They can wrestle or Knock you the fuck out.

Tyson ain't a bitch. He's build like a brick shit house, but he just happens to be fast as fuck and can knock you the fuck out.

So ya'll that hit like sissies of course are gonna pick the wrestler, but you're thinking that Tyson can't wrestle, but why?

I'm not saying he's in Fedor's league, but shit, he's closer to Fedor in wrestling than Fedor is to Tyson in FIGHTING.

[québecwarrior]

I think some of ya'll just hit like some bitches and you got a grudge against boxers cuz ya'll can't hit.

The thing is, a mother fucker that can hit has two options. They can wrestle or Knock you the fuck out.

Tyson ain't a bitch. He's build like a brick shit house, but he just happens to be fast as fuck and can knock you the fuck out.

So ya'll that hit like sissies of course are gonna pick the wrestler, but you're thinking that Tyson can't wrestle, but why?

I'm not saying he's in Fedor's league, but shit, he's closer to Fedor in wrestling than Fedor is to Tyson in FIGHTING.
Fedor, a wrestler?
yeah, get the fuck out you dumbass, actually, go check Fedor in action, try to know a little on him, before saying that Tyson would kill him..a wrestler..you dont even know what you are talking about..
:hi:

[Dr.Stobulas]

I have knocked out a big man as well... with one punch. However, we aren't just talking about a big man... we are talking about the best MMA fighter in the world. I don't know where people get the idea that a fight is all about punches. People become a little brainwashed when watching boxing over time. You start to think these people are untouchable because you see what they can do when a person is boxing along with them, under boxing rules. I am not even talking about just grappling either... I have seen a lot of boxers get their asses handed to them on their feet in an MMA gym. Guys who would own the MMA guy under boxing rules... just can't adjust to the fact that the person can kick, knee, elbow, clinch, shoot, ect.... You can't even use a normal boxing stance... and once that stance goes you aren't boxing anymore. It is 1000 times easier to just get your hands on someone in order to take them down, then it is to land a knockout punch before that happens. Especially when you are talking about a person who is a world class grappler vs a person who has no grappling experience what-so-ever.

Also... you have to realize that these guys can take punches too. In the event that Tyson does land a punch... it isn't as if someone like Fedor would be automatically knocked out. That's a fantasy world. There are plenty of strikers in the world who hit as hard as Tyson, and Fedor has already fought some of them. I would rather take my chances of absorbing a punch from Tyson than a high kick from Cro-Cop.

Tyson has been in several street altercations and didn't come across to me as someone who would be blowing someone like Fedor apart. None of his street fighting opponents have died either... although people pretend that Tyson kills people with a punch. Hell... he was beating up a drunk 5'3" mexican and his wife (and then another small guy) at that hotel... and had to hit the men several times. Tyson even had to stop and remove his jacket during the fight... Now... if Tyson can't just go in there and blow out a tiny mexican autograph seeker (he beat the guy up, but you know what I mean).... how on earth is he just going to knock out Fedor without any troubles? It isn't going to happen. Fedor (who also happens to be sick with his hands)... would easily move into clinching range... put Tyson down, and ruin him.


I have been a huge Tyson fan since I was a little kid... but this is reality.


Excellent post:thumbsup

[codeman99998]

This is a bullshit thread. Let's not pretend that Tyson was one punch KOing everyone he ever fought or anything. Even if he did land a wild one it very well might not KO Fedor.

[codeman99998]

Quickhands21[/B]] Have you ever been in a streetfight? Martial arts dont work to well,,its best to just keep it simple.My uncle is considered by many to be the greatest streetfighter ever,an he just threw his hands.


That logic doesn't apply to Judo and Sambo world champions. That logic doesn't apply to Brazilian Ju Jitsu blackbelts.

Besides, boxing is a martial art basically. If you are in a street fight and you are throwing punches, well, that's boxing (albeit, between two street brawlers its probably very poor boxing.)

Just because being a blue belt in Tae Kwan Doe doesn't mean shit in a street fight, doesn't mean that all martial arts are worthless. Aside from the more spiritual aspect, that is the purpose of martial arts anyways, to be able to defend yourself. Do you think that all of these martial arts, designed for self-defense, are actually useless in the practice of self-defense?

[Sweet Pea]

Let's be fair here, the only ones with a brain tiny enough(and a package to match according to none other than himself) to believe Tyson should be favored over Fedor are the forum homos like Capfunds, and well, yeah just Capfunds.

[billyconn]

I think some of ya'll just hit like some bitches and you got a grudge against boxers cuz ya'll can't hit.

The thing is..........

you're not too bright.....:-(

[Amsterdam]

I think some of ya'll just hit like some bitches and you got a grudge against boxers cuz ya'll can't hit.

No, we just know what we're talking about here, especially the experienced MMA and boxing fans, as well as people who participate in MMA training and schools.

The thing is, a mother fucker that can hit has two options. They can wrestle or Knock you the fuck out.

Tyson can't 'wrestle' in the way you are saying, did you realise that there is a lot of technique and skill to wrestling? Much less forms of 'submission wrestling'?

Tyson ain't a bitch. He's build like a brick shit house, but he just happens to be fast as fuck and can knock you the fuck out.

Yes, but how's he going to do that to Fedor? You all are acting like Fedors just going to show tactical ineptness and rush into Tyson's punch trying to bring him down, as if he wouldn't spot the right opening to bring him into his world of fighting.

Fedor is going to avoid Tyson's first offensive attempts, then get within range for an opening and the end, he has MANY things to work with to accomplish this, including excellent Muay Thai skill that includes knee breaking kicks.:yep

So ya'll that hit like sissies of course are gonna pick the wrestler, but you're thinking that Tyson can't wrestle, but why?

He's not a wrestler, he's one of the greatest martial artists, if not THE greatest of all time, you're talking about a living legend, a master in the art of FIGHTING, not just boxing.

You're absurd.

I'm not saying he's in Fedor's league, but shit, he's closer to Fedor in wrestling than Fedor is to Tyson in FIGHTING.

:lol::rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

So basically Tyson is closer to wrestling, judo and Sambo at Fedor's level and Fedor's way off from Tyson on all around fighting. Okay Cap.

[Leeroy]

I'm a huge fan of boxing, but MMA is a whole different ball game. Boxing is one form of fighting, whilst MMA is pretty much everything combined. Mike Tyson could easily fuck up lots of street punks/touch guys etc., but against Fedor? I doubt it. Fedor's grappling/Sambo would dominate Tyson imo. In a real street fight, Tyson is liable to get broken arms/legs, or literally choked unconscious without a ref there to stop the fight (once Tyson taps).

Sambo/BJJ is a proven fighting technique. When used without someone breaking up the action, it can do permanent damage.

[younghypnotiq]

lol Perfect Punch?

You forget that Tyson was hitting guys ANYWHERE and they were going down. He wasnt landing perfect punches every time, he was just punching people shitless. It's gonna be harder to put Tyson down than you think hes a stocky guy, I've seen Fedor putting down bigger guys but they werent ferocious like Tyson, hell be headbutting, biting, kicking in the nuts, punching.

When was the last time you seen someone getting put in an armbar in a streetfight, Dont be silly :tired

wen was the last time u saw a champion sambo fighter in a street fight?

[younghypnotiq]

u guys are retarded fedor 98-2.

[coog]

wen was the last time u saw a champion sambo fighter in a street fight? Never because i think that the best ones live in Russia and i have never been there.

[Leeroy]

What makes Fedor the best in the world is his smooth operating, and being able to think quickly to get the job done ie.,.....


VWIZ01K3tGU

[younghypnotiq]

Never because i think that the best ones live in Russia and i have never been there.

that wasnt aimed at u dumbass. the guy said wen was the last time u saw someoen armbar on the street. and the reason for that is because rarely do u see ppl that are really good at judo, sambo, BJJ, or other grpaplng arts in a stret fight.

[Amsterdam]

Bingo. I'd take a toughman competitor over most of those glass-jawed jokes. :nod

Then why don't toughman fighters get in there and do it? All of the acclaim and reward they would get otherwise.;)

[younghypnotiq]

WTF. a while ago you have this thing against race. now its animals. i bet fedor's skin is as thick as a rhino's; bear claws wouldn't scratch it. not for his life. and he could dodge bullets. not even chuck norris stands in his way, no sir he would silently kill him and rambo at the same time:rofl :rofl :rofl

he means fedor went bear hunting which he did. they would take this thing and wait fo the bear to attack then shove it under his neck and then sgtab the bear

[coog]

That's cuz you probably hit like a girl.

In that case, yeah gay ass wrestling is for you.

Actually I can't say that, my good friend is a badass wrestler and he can fight, but that's more of just him being a straight up athlete.

He played strong safety in college, was good at baseball, probably could have gone pro, just a straight up athlete.

So is Tyson. How do you know that Tyson is a good athlete?

[coog]

WTF. a while ago you have this thing against race. now its animals. i bet fedor's skin is as thick as a rhino's; bear claws wouldn't scratch it. not for his life. and he could dodge bullets. not even chuck norris stands in his way, no sir he would silently kill him and rambo at the same time:rofl :rofl :rofl Actually there is a sport in siberia where they have to kill a bear with a knife When the bear stands up they have to rush in put a stick under his chin and stab him under the heart.

[2ironmt]

How do you know that Tyson is a good athlete? he saw him fight circa 1986

[sugarngold]

this thread is hilarious.

[DoumB]

Sorry but that has been tested and proven not true. Tyson barenknuckle punched Mitch Green and yes, it caused extensive facial damage but it did not knock out Green for several minutes. Wearing boxing gloves actually allows you to punch much much harder and increase the probabilty of KO's.


LOL:patsch what a fuckin dumbass, right there u only proved u never even come close to wearing those gloves and probablyu didnt never trained in MMA too, I did, wearing those 8 oz gloves makes HUGE difference and prevent the KOs.

stupid MMA groupie.

[Dostoevsky]

LOL:patsch what a fuckin dumbass, right there u only proved u never even come close to wearing those gloves and probablyu didnt never trained in MMA too, I did, wearing those 8 oz gloves makes HUGE difference and prevent the KOs.

stupid MMA groupie.

Of course it does, it allows you to punch harder because you worry less about breaking your hand. Now fuck off and get a braincell.

[billyconn]

Then why don't toughman fighters get in there and do it? All of the acclaim and reward they would get otherwise.;)

I think you forgot about Butterbean....:yep

[karatekid530]

Tyson's entourage beats fedor to death while he tried to submit him on the ground.

are you kidding? the emelianenko family has reported connections to the russian mafia. tyson's entourage wouldn't fucking touch that shit.

[DoumB]

Of course it does, it allows you to punch harder because you worry less about breaking your hand. Now fuck off and get a braincell.

wow proof right there u never fough, in a fight when I get punched in the face, I could care less about my fuckin hands, I prefer breaking my knuckles then getting punched in the face, I've broken them a few times and would do it again to prevent being punched.:patsch

[DoumB]

are you kidding? the emelianenko family has reported connections to the russian mafia. tyson's entourage wouldn't fucking touch that shit.

that is tru :lol:

[Dostoevsky]

wow proof right there u never fough, in a fight when I get punched in the face, I could care less about my fuckin hands, I prefer breaking my knuckles then getting punched in the face, I've broken them a few times and would do it again to prevent being punched.:patsch

If you break your hand and don't knock your opponent out with the first punch then your pretty fucked then arent you.

[DoumB]

If you break your hand and don't knock your opponent out with the first punch then your pretty fucked then arent you.

you have 2 hands, and when u know how to box, ur pretty much fine with 1 hand, and breakin a knuckle hurt yeah, but u can finish a fight with it, its after that you will feel it.

[québecwarrior]

i dont think they were talking about a street fight with boxing gloves. you do realize the difference with and without boxing gloves right? I i think fedor wins more than he loses but no insane crap like 98-2
it's you who is insane to thing otherwise
it's like saying the best marathon guy would be able to win a Triathlon over Triathlon's champion...

[boxingcar]

Fight starts....Tyson lands a single punch straight to fedor's jaw and kos him in 5 seconds.

OR

More probable scenario.

Fight starts , Tyson tries to box fedor , but fedor wants none of that , ties Tyson , gets the clinch... the ref doesn't separate them (since it's not boxing) , fedor takes prime tyson on the ground , and pulls a kimura.

Tyson's best option ? a puncher's chance...he would need to KO the guy before his opponent gets too close for a takedown.

Fedor's best option ? avoid trading punches at all cost and either go for tyson's legs or simply a basic clinch (for the takedown)

[québecwarrior]

uh no its not jackass. if you think tyson loses 0-100 you are an idiot. fedor wins more like i said but if you think he wins a 100 you are a fool and looking at some of your other posts you just might be
no Tyson would win one or 2 in the way, but that's it you stupid idiot...
and it's not just Fedor who would rape Tyson, it's the majority of well trained MMA fighter who are COMPLETE

[québecwarrior]

yeah, you are right..fedor getting knock out 2 times?
impossible, this cold russian wont make the same error two time

[younghypnotiq]

all bping nuthuggers
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[batang kanto]

Originally Posted by Quebec Warrior

no Tyson would win one or 2 in the way, but that's it you stupid idiot...
and it's not just Fedor who would rape Tyson, it's the majority of well trained MMA fighter who are COMPLETE

this is how overrated MMA skills could get. you've completely forgotten that in MMA, a lot of established and experienced fighters lose to new-comers who aren't skilled because skills play a small role in MMA. fighters still rely on their fighting instincts most of the time and opportunities to get a quick strike. that's why changing of the guards and upsets happen alot in MMA. If you think tyson just losses to most "complete" fighters in MMA, you're delusional. many of these "complete" fighters lose to self-trained and garage-trained newcomers who lack experience.

[younghypnotiq]

i talked to steve jenum after that ufc event. his real job was a cop. i have never seen a black eye that bad. its been a long time since that but he took a nasty shot to that eye in the last fight. He actually won ufc 3 (although if i remember right he was an alternate for the finals and someone could not fight so he was subbed in).

yah the ufc 3 was bulshit. ihe wudnt of won at all. ken shamrock got injured in semis and had to give up so jennum got auto to the finals with no fights. then he wud of fought gracie but he forfeited so he fought harold howard who was a joke.

[Polymath]

many of these "complete" fighters lose to self-trained and garage-trained newcomers who lack experience.

Give an example please.

[Dostoevsky]

When we say 100 fights, is it 100 fights in a continuous timeframe? or after each fight is life reset as if they've never fought each other before?

If its the former, Fedors wins 99-1. You have to say that due to the percentage probability Tyson would have a chance of landing that one freakish miracle punch, after that, Fedor amends any technical mistakes, adapts to Mike and wins all the other fights.

If its the latter option, Fedor wins around 92-9 to 98-2, due to his greater knowledge and skills, since his fight with Tyson is new everytime he can't adapt or change any possible technical mistakes so perhaps Tyson will on that percentage probabilty chance get through with that much vaunted miracle punch more times.

I do not see Fedor getting beat by the same fighter twice. Especially such a 1-dimensional fighter.

[rydersonthestorm]

this is how overrated MMA skills could get. you've completely forgotten that in MMA, a lot of established and experienced fighters lose to new-comers who aren't skilled because skills play a small role in MMA. fighters still rely on their fighting instincts most of the time and opportunities to get a quick strike. that's why changing of the guards and upsets happen alot in MMA. If you think tyson just losses to most "complete" fighters in MMA, you're delusional. many of these "complete" fighters lose to self-trained and garage-trained newcomers who lack experience.
Thats why fedor has never lost to anyone :patsch

[québecwarrior]

this is how overrated MMA skills could get. you've completely forgotten that in MMA, a lot of established and experienced fighters lose to new-comers who aren't skilled because skills play a small role in MMA. fighters still rely on their fighting instincts most of the time and opportunities to get a quick strike. that's why changing of the guards and upsets happen alot in MMA. If you think tyson just losses to most "complete" fighters in MMA, you're delusional. many of these "complete" fighters lose to self-trained and garage-trained newcomers who lack experience.
can you give me some exemple?:lol:

[BITCH ASS]

When we say 100 fights, is it 100 fights in a continuous timeframe? or after each fight is life reset as if they've never fought each other before?

If its the former, Fedors wins 99-1. You have to say that due to the percentage probability Tyson would have a chance of landing that one freakish miracle punch, after that, Fedor amends any technical mistakes, adapts to Mike and wins all the other fights.

If its the latter option, Fedor wins around 92-9 to 98-2, due to his greater knowledge and skills, since his fight with Tyson is new everytime he can't adapt or change any possible technical mistakes so perhaps Tyson will on that percentage probabilty chance get through with that much vaunted miracle punch more times.

I do not see Fedor getting beat by the same fighter twice. Especially such a 1-dimensional fighter.

This dude must be the most limp wristed mother fucker on this forum.

Man, how is it that I'm 160 lbs and I can hit harder than every person in my gym.

This includes all the heavyweights and even the pros.

My point is that if me at 160 lbs can hit harder than all these big guys, imagine what a guy who's 220 lbs can do if he has even better PfP power than me?

It would be RIDICULOUS.

And I've seen the results of my punches and the punches of others who at least come close with their straight punches, and I've heard Tyson's punches on the bag and seen the results of his punches.

Not only that, but his speed is phenomenal.

FEDOR has NEVER IN HIS life faced a "striker" anywhere close to Tyson in the sense of punching power and SPEED, especially SPEED.

Shit man, if you got power and speed, you can knock a guy out with one punch.

I know since you hit like a little girl, you can't comprehend this, but that's reality.

[BITCH ASS]

Thats why fedor has never lost to anyone :patsch

Here is another Belvadere mother fucker with a weak wrist.

[québecwarrior]

This dude must be the most limp wristed mother fucker on this forum.

Man, how is it that I'm 160 lbs and I can hit harder than every person in my gym.

This includes all the heavyweights and even the pros.

My point is that if me at 160 lbs can hit harder than all these big guys, imagine what a guy who's 220 lbs can do if he has even better PfP power than me?

It would be RIDICULOUS.

And I've seen the results of my punches and the punches of others who at least come close with their straight punches, and I've heard Tyson's punches on the bag and seen the results of his punches.

Not only that, but his speed is phenomenal.

FEDOR has NEVER IN HIS life faced a "striker" anywhere close to Tyson in the sense of punching power and SPEED, especially SPEED.

Shit man, if you got power and speed, you can knock a guy out with one punch.

I know since you hit like a little girl, you can't comprehend this, but that's reality.
Can you tell me, when Tyson in his life , faced a guy who is close to Fedor?
please, get out

[BITCH ASS]

Can you tell me, when Tyson in his life , faced a guy who is close to Fedor?
please, get out

DUHHH

You have a world class athlete making hundreds of millions of dollars and then you got a bar fighter making a few thousands per fight.

I wonder where the best athletes go?

Oh shit, I'm a dumbass.

Slap yourself.

:patsch

[TheH1tMan]

DUHHH

You have a world class athlete making hundreds of millions of dollars and then you got a bar fighter making a few thousands per fight.

I wonder where the best athletes go?

Oh shit, I'm a dumbass.

Slap yourself.

:patsch

You obviously is a huuuuuge fan of Tyson and must have gotten to this forum by searching for 'Tyson'. However, you know nothing about mma and it is futile discussing this with someone that so blindly believes Tyson would win withut knowing anything about the other fighter.

[BITCH ASS]

You obviously is a huuuuuge fan of Tyson and must have gotten to this forum by searching for 'Tyson'. However, you know nothing about mma and it is futile discussing this with someone that so blindly believes Tyson would win withut knowing anything about the other fighter.

I didn't say he would win everytime.

I'm just saying that Tim Slyvia is NO WHERE NEAR a world class athlete.

He's just a really tough guy that can fight a little.

[boxingcar]

FEDOR has NEVER IN HIS life faced a "striker" anywhere close to Tyson in the sense of punching power and SPEED, especially SPEED.

since you got a tyson av , i guess it's useless to reason you with logic. But i'll try my best to make you "think".

Maybe you'll be reasonable enough to understand the essential difference between these two sports.

Forget Fedor for a moment. Let's not talk about him. Let's just imagine a scenario where we have a "prime" Mike Tyson , in top form , being tested under different rules. (in this case , mma)...

Now imagine this situation...we give Tyson a can for his first fight.
Fight # 1 Tyson wins by KO , first round (no clinch)
Fight # 2 Tyson wins by KO , first round (no clinch)
Fight # 3 Tyson wins by KO , first round (no clinch)
Fight # 4 Tyson wins by KO , first round (no clinch)...

Still with me ? ....
Statistically speaking , what are the odds for Tyson to constantly KO all his opponents in less than 5 seconds or 10 seconds ?...

Would Tyson be realistically capable to KO , let's say....20 , or 30 cans in less than 5 or 20 seconds...would he be capable to constantly avoid the clinch ?...

You do realise that almost every single one of Tyson's opponents were able to get the clinch right ? You know...that part where the fighters "hug" each other before the ref separates them ?...there's always a point where one guy ties his opponent...gets too close etc....(wlad has done this many times , so did lennox too)....

So what is my point ?
In case you don't understand where this is going....Statistically speaking , it is highly probable that Tyson (or any goats of boxing , muay thai ) has to deal with a situation like this...

and "prime" or not...when a + 290 lbs "can" holds you , he will take you down. And once you're on the ground , the situation worsens.

Let me give you a better example...Let's take a huge force of nature , who has basic wrestling abilities but who dominates because of his weight & huge size....(but who sucks in the sub department)...

They've done this experience already...
Round 1 Kickboxing rules (with boxing gloves)
Round 2 mma rules (mma gloves)
Round 3 kickboxing rules
round 4 mma rules....

Jerome LeBanner vs Bob Sapp...

and not surprisingly , look what happens as soon as LeBanner is forced to fight Sapp under mma rules...


FIRST ROUND - K1
o3cMMrt0Ob0

SECOND ROUND - SWITCH TO MMA
d1f14DTQFOs

Now , that's bob sapp...not Nogueira nor fedor or barnett etc....

See how the tables are turned ?....It's a totally different sport.
Are you gonna tell me that somehow , tyson would be capable to always find a way to avoid the clinch ? always avoid takedowns ?...It's statistically speaking..it's highly improbable.

In a nutshell...prime tyson has a puncher's chance not just against fedor , but against B level & cans (as long as they are capable to take tyson on the ground)...

Not because Tyson is a joke compared to them , but simply because of the very nature of the sport. and by the way , tyson with mma gloves wouldn't be more devastating than a highkick...or a knee striker to the face....or a brutal slam...any human beings on this planet has more strength in his legs than his arms. When someone gets koed via highkick...there's no need for an 8 count...

the question is not if tyson would beat fedor but would he be able to constantly beat the statistics ? beat the odds ? He wasn't even able to pull it in his own sport...how would he do it in mma ?

Look at his record..
Dan Halpin , KOed in the 4rth round
John Alderson , TKOed in the 2nd

look at the rest
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That's why there's so many fucking upsets in this sport man...That's why it's fucking rare to see a champ who manages to keep his belt in mma. Because even cans or B level fighters can be dangerous...there's way more variants under mma.

Here's another example of a superior striker , getting caught
L909OgCvHck
Judo vs muay thai

[BITCH ASS]

since you got a tyson av , i guess it's useless to reason you with logic. But i'll try my best to make you "think".

Maybe you'll be reasonable enough to understand the essential difference between these two sports.

Forget Fedor for a moment. Let's not talk about him. Let's just imagine a scenario where we have a "prime" Mike Tyson , in top form , being tested under different rules. (in this case , mma)...

Now imagine this situation...we give Tyson a can for his first fight.
Fight # 1 Tyson wins by KO , first round (no clinch)
Fight # 2 Tyson wins by KO , first round (no clinch)
Fight # 3 Tyson wins by KO , first round (no clinch)
Fight # 4 Tyson wins by KO , first round (no clinch)...

Still with me ? ....
Statistically speaking , what are the odds for Tyson to constantly KO all his opponents in less than 5 seconds or 10 seconds ?...

Would Tyson be realistically capable to KO , let's say....20 , or 30 cans in less than 5 or 20 seconds...would he be capable to constantly avoid the clinch ?...

You do realise that almost every single one of Tyson's opponents were able to get the clinch right ? You know...that part where the fighters "hug" each other before the ref separates them ?...there's always a point where one guy ties his opponent...gets too close etc....(wlad has done this many times , so did lennox too)....

So what is my point ?
In case you don't understand where this is going....Statistically speaking , it is highly probable that Tyson (or any goats of boxing , muay thai ) has to deal with a situation like this...

and "prime" or not...when a + 290 lbs "can" holds you , he will take you down. And once you're on the ground , the situation worsens.

Let me give you a better example...Let's take a huge force of nature , who has basic wrestling abilities but who dominates because of his weight & huge size....(but who sucks in the sub department)...

They've done this experience already...
Round 1 Kickboxing rules (with boxing gloves)
Round 2 mma rules (mma gloves)
Round 3 kickboxing rules
round 4 mma rules....

Jerome LeBanner vs Bob Sapp...

and not surprisingly , look what happens as soon as LeBanner is forced to fight Sapp under mma rules...


FIRST ROUND - K1
o3cMMrt0Ob0

SECOND ROUND - SWITCH TO MMA
d1f14DTQFOs

Now , that's bob sapp...not Nogueira nor fedor or barnett etc....

See how the tables are turned ?....It's a totally different sport.
Are you gonna tell me that somehow , tyson would be capable to always find a way to avoid the clinch ? always avoid takedowns ?...It's statistically speaking..it's highly improbable.

In a nutshell...prime tyson has a puncher's chance not just against fedor , but against B level & cans (as long as they are capable to take tyson on the ground)...

Not because Tyson is a joke compared to them , but simply because of the very nature of the sport. and by the way , tyson with mma gloves wouldn't be more devastating than a highkick...or a knee striker to the face....or a brutal slam...any human beings on this planet has more strength in his legs than his arms. When someone gets koed via highkick...there's no need for an 8 count...

the question is not if tyson would beat fedor but would he be able to constantly beat the statistics ? beat the odds ? He wasn't even able to pull it in his own sport...how would he do it in mma ?

Look at his record..
Dan Halpin , KOed in the 4rth round
John Alderson , TKOed in the 2nd

look at the rest
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That's why there's so many fucking upsets in this sport man...That's why it's fucking rare to see a champ who manages to keep his belt in mma. Because even cans or B level fighters can be dangerous...there's way more variants under mma.

Here's another example of a superior striker , getting caught
L909OgCvHck
Judo vs muay thai

I agree with you that Fedor has a good chance of winning this fight, but I can't put him at odds better than 50/50 which is the way I feel this fight turns out anyway.

[LONE WOLF]

This is silly. Fedor would beat Tyson 95% of the time- with the exception of some lucky one punch KOs that Tyson could have. The way i see it, Fedor closes the distance, goes to clinch, throws tyson down and the rest is history. Tyson would be like a flipped turtle on his back.

[québecwarrior]

Capfunds :Fedor just dont have a good chance to winning this, he will win 99 percent of the time for god sake..
you are stupid , if Cro Crop, with his kicks, didnt was able to put Fedor away, it sure wont be Tyson with his fist 50/50 of the time...thats a joke
a kick from Cro Crop is 10 time more powerfull than a punch from a PRIME TYSON
it's just the nature of the human body

[boxingcar]

Capfunds :Fedor just dont have a good chance to winning this, he will win 99 percent of the time for god sake..
you are stupid , if Cro Crop, with his kicks, didnt was able to put Fedor away, it sure wont be Tyson with his fist 50/50 of the time...thats a joke
a kick from Cro Crop is 10 time more powerfull than a punch from a PRIME TYSON
it's just the nature of the human body

yeah but that's a wrong way to look at it. (even though you're right here too)..

The real problem is that it is (like i said in my previous post) , statistically improbable that anyone (not just a prime tyson) but quasi-impossible , for someone to always avoid the clinch...

There's no fighter in boxing , mma , muay thai history who's been able to pull something like that...no one....

Which is precisely why , the debate of "prime tyson vs fedor" is stupid.
If you tell me , Fedor vs Tyson under boxing rules...then yeah , Tyson by KO for sure.

The problem is that under mma , you don't even need fedor to beat a prime tyson...it only takes a clinch , and enough knowledge in wrestling to beat the guy or to simply win a boring decision (via lay 'n pray)...

[québecwarrior]

yeah but that's a wrong way to look at it. (even though you're right here too)..

The real problem is that it is (like i said in my previous post) , statistically improbable that anyone (not just a prime tyson) but quasi-impossible , for someone to always avoid the clinch...

There's no fighter in boxing , mma , muay thai history who's been able to pull something like that...no one....

Which is precisely why , the debate of "prime tyson vs fedor" is stupid.
If you tell me , Fedor vs Tyson under boxing rules...then yeah , Tyson by KO for sure.

The problem is that under mma , you don't even need fedor to beat a prime tyson...it only takes a clinch , and enough knowledge in wrestling to beat the guy or to simply win a boring decision (via lay 'n pray)... yeah you are right
i've said it in another thread that any complete MMA fighter would beat most of the time a boxer under mma rules or in the street..which is normal..

[younghypnotiq]

but still does not justify a statement as dumb as fedor would win 98 times out of a hundred in a street fight agains tyson where you can attack eyes, groin etc. i agreed fedor would win the majority but not 98 thats just a retarded close minded statement.
any dumbass can atack eyes and groin. im sure fedor is just as good at biting and eye attacks as fedor.

[ufoalf]

any dumbass can atack eyes and groin. im sure fedor is just as good at biting and eye attacks as fedor.

Im sure fedor and fedor are pretty even at everything.

[québecwarrior]

Im sure fedor and fedor are pretty even at everything.
:lol:

[Boyd]

i would say about 80-20 for Fedor. you would have to think Tyson would land on him sometimes.

[Amsterdam]

DUHHH

You have a world class athlete making hundreds of millions of dollars and then you got a bar fighter making a few thousands per fight.

I wonder where the best athletes go?

Oh shit, I'm a dumbass.

Slap yourself.

:patsch

Top MMA fighters 'bar fighters'.:patsch:patsch:patsch

Slap yourself.

[Sardu]

Fedor by brutal GnP. He was WAY too weapons to work with. Russian sambo is a deadly martial art. Tyson would be toast.

[rydersonthestorm]

Here is another Belvadere mother fucker with a weak wrist.
i would knock you out so if i have a limp wrist you must be one of the biggest faggots on earth, also in case you have not heard enough times already you are fucking dumb.:good

[Dostoevsky]

i know you meant fedor is as good as tyson at the cheapshots. my point was tyson was very fast and has just as good a chance at a cheap shot as fedor so in a street fight where anything goes tyson does not have to land the perfect punch a cheap shot would do. That being said tyson does not lose 98 out of a 100. People who think he has to land that perfect shot dont know much about street fights, they are dirty and unpredictable. also remember tyson was very strong and fast so just grabbing him and tossing him would not be as easy as some think. Id say fedor wins about 70% of the time.

You say Tyson was extremley physically strong, for an average man yes, but in clinches Tyson was always outmuscled and pushed back(apart from when he was facing sub 200lb fighters early on in his career) this is something that Holyfield used to great extent in their fights. So Tyson wasn't a superhumanly strong beast like he's being made out to be.

Now he was getting pushed back and 'outwrestled' by boxers in boxing clinches. What would a world champion Sambo practitionar and Judo expert do to Tyson if they clinched or got tangled up? I think you know the answer.

Tyson would HAVE to keep Fedor at distance to avoid being taken down and crushed, unfortunately for Mike, thats not his style, he comes straight forward, meaning he would come straight forward into a bodylock and throw.

A more elusive backpeddling striker would have more success against Fedor where they could elude Fedors clutches. A comeforward striker is just going to walk into bad trouble.

[Olz15]

skills is very much overrated in MMA. these guys still greatly rely on strength and opportunity to hit a big strike. and this is very likely because defense against strikes isn't a big priority in MMA or at least not the sole priority with defense against take-downs still pre-occupying the fighters' minds.

that is why upsets are very common. there is always a changing of the guard going on, and new-comers with enough balls beating an experienced fighter is very likely. the so-called elites with a few exceptions have a lot of losses. that's because their skills isn't as overwhelming to a man who just fights and rely on his instincts to pound an opponent. if skills is overrated in MMA, then its even more in an actual street fight. usually the one with the better brute strength and speed and menacing attitude wins. don't underestimate a naturally-gifted striker like tyson in this fight.this statement explains why your no longer relevant to this conversation, you dumb

[ufoalf]

In 100 fights takes a low single leg shot following a fake punch and take Tyson down. From there Tyson loses everytime.

[curmudgeon]

Tyson bites. How do you submit a guy who keeps comping on your ear?

[BITCH ASS]

i would knock you out so if i have a limp wrist you must be one of the biggest faggots on earth, also in case you have not heard enough times already you are fucking dumb.:good

I seen you.

You look like a fat gay fuck. You ain't knockin out shit.

[billyconn]

This dude must be the most limp wristed mother fucker on this forum.

Man, how is it that I'm 160 lbs and I can hit harder than every person in my gym.

This includes all the heavyweights and even the pros.

My point is that if me at 160 lbs can hit harder than all these big guys, imagine what a guy who's 220 lbs can do if he has even better PfP power than me?

It would be RIDICULOUS.

And I've seen the results of my punches and the punches of others who at least come close with their straight punches, and I've heard Tyson's punches on the bag and seen the results of his punches.

Not only that, but his speed is phenomenal.

FEDOR has NEVER IN HIS life faced a "striker" anywhere close to Tyson in the sense of punching power and SPEED, especially SPEED.

Shit man, if you got power and speed, you can knock a guy out with one punch.

I know since you hit like a little girl, you can't comprehend this, but that's reality.

If you weighed 220 you might hit as hard as Rampage Jackson...

[billyconn]

I seen you.

You look like a fat gay fuck. You ain't knockin out shit.

I'll bet WiddowMaker would beat you in a street fight.....:yep

[BITCH ASS]

I'll bet WiddowMaker would beat you in a street fight.....:yep

And?

Am I supposed to give a fuck?

A lot of people can beat me in a street fight. Is this thread about me?

Fuck no.

[BITCH ASS]

If you weighed 220 you might hit as hard as Rampage Jackson...

Rampage doesn't have the speed factor. Tyson is on a different level.

[billyconn]

And?

Am I supposed to give a fuck?

A lot of people can beat me in a street fight. Is this thread about me?

Fuck no.

You're the one who brought up that you hit harder than everyone at your gym including the heavies and the pros....So your point was just that Tyson in his prime could hit harder and faster than you. Isn't that kind of obvious?

[TheH1tMan]

and guess what happened from one bare knuckle punch

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green cant see and tyson had a broken hand

This is from your own website hat you linked to:

"Tyson as always was moving forward, but the 6'5" Green managed to tie Tyson up repeatedly."

It would take ONE of those clinches and Tyson would be down and out.

Look I am a huge Tyosn fan and I think he would have been a serious threat to anyone in history of boxing. Even Ali, Klischos, Marciano, Lewis.. everyone. Evander had his number, but there wouldn't ben many like that. He is perhap the most exciting boxer I have ever seen and I got up to follow him in every single fight.

BUT - please understand that it is a diferent thing mma. This means that a boxer has to be much much better than the mma fighter if he wants to win. Simply because the mma fighter has many more option and can take the fight where he will have the advantage whether that is standing clinch, boxing, ground game or whatever. Imo. the best boxers are in generl better boxers than the best mma'ers are mmaers. But because of the advantage the mma'ers still have good chances of winning.

That is the first part. The nxt part is that Fedor is not a top mma'er. He is the GOAT mma'er. In terms of skill and smarts and technique and strenght he is absolutely at least on par with the best boxers (imo. overall on a higher level actually). So even if he did not hav any advantages being a trained mma'er he would do well. Combine the advantages of being trained in mma wih Fedor - and you have someone that will beat Tyson at least 90-95 times out of a 100 (100 out of 100 would also not surprise me).

Last example, if Tyson breaks his hand and hurts Emileanenko's one eye - the the fiht is already over because Tyson will have incapacitated himself while Fedor will not take notice of the chin or eye at all. Tyson has such a small window of opportunity (of less than a tenth of a second) and he has to use that to the max and hoep for the best. Only when Fedor tries to come in to take him down does he have a chance and as we know Tyson clinches dusins of times with various tomamtocans during his carrer. All in all - very very unlikely Tyson can win, but who knows. At least he has a better chance that most other HW boxers.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

and how in the world does fedor not even take notice to a punch that fucks up his nose and eye like that? He is not superman. Any punch that does that much damage will stun anybody.
Fedor has already shown that he can immediately turn the tables after taking a huge shot.... even one that fucks up his nose or eye. He isn't superman, but he is the best MMA fight in the world. Getting punched in the face isn't something new to him.

[OuterDrake]

The last time a boxer an a mmartist colited in a street fight.This is what happen

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[rydersonthestorm]

don frye is a guy i copuld probably beat in a street fight now

[boxingcar]

The last time a boxer an a mmartist colited in a street fight.This is what happen

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uh huh...that's don frye , getting owned by a kickboxer..
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your point ?

[OuterDrake]

uh huh...that's don frye , getting owned by a kickboxer..
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your point ?

outside of mma,they cant hold their own.Ground fighting is useless when you got ppl to break up a fight or when there items to grab on to.

[rydersonthestorm]

outside of mma,they cant hold their own.Ground fighting is useless when you got ppl to break up a fight or when there items to grab on to.
you are using a guy as an example that was washed up almost 10 year ago. :nut :roll:

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

outside of mma,they cant hold their own.Ground fighting is useless when you got ppl to break up a fight or when there items to grab on to.
Dude, Don Frye is a washed up old drunk. You can't tell?

However, he is funny as hell. Worthless as a fighter at this stage though.

[Club Fighter]

LOL. This shit is like Marvel vs Capcom.

[Bad_Intentions]

Tyson is a boxer, so he's skilled in one craft, on top of that he's a dirty bastard who knows a few tricks.

Whereas Fedor is the ultimate fighter, he has many assets and his skill is in a sport which is essentially street fighting with a few more rules.

All Fedor has to do is get Tyson on his back and it's over.......I think it's much more likely that he dumps Tyson on his back than Tyson landing the perfect punch everytime to stop Fedor taking him down.we're talking about a PRIME TYSON (from the 80's) not late 90's tyson. :hi:

[Quickhands21]

This is still bein dragged out..The bottom line is we will NEVER know..

[boxingcar]

outside of mma,they cant hold their own.Ground fighting is useless when you got ppl to break up a fight or when there items to grab on to.

good point...might as well add guns and knives into the mix no ?...Let's see , pro boxer vs me with a shotgun , who wins ?...pro mma fighter vs me armed with a chainsaw , take a good fucking guess ...

[boxingcar]

getting punched in the face no gloves by tyson sure as hell would be new to him
there's much worst in mma than punches...
tyson's punches or anyone's most brutal punch can't be compared to other types of strikes that you're allowed to do under mma rules...

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[boxingcar]

dumbest thing I have heard...:lol: it is easier to land punches to someone's head than kicks....how many did Cro Cop land like 2 kicks the entire fight and none to the head ?? Tyson lands at least 10-20 punches
Clinch , takedown....the rest is history. not a single punch lands.
Tyson's best chance would be to constantly KO all his opponents before the clinch. He could do it several times , but it is statistically proven to be impossible to pull this continuously for the duration of an entire career
You don't even need a guy like fedor to beat a prime tyson...But since you're clueless about the nature of this sport , there's no way you'll ever get that through your head.

My guess is that you feel deeply offended that a nobody has the potential to simply takedown and submit one of the most popular hw in boxing history and treat him like a can.

Clueless boxing fans are never speaking with their brains. They can't stand the fact world class strikers would be flopping to the ground like beached whales by apparent "bums" who know shit about striking. It's beyond them. And i guess it's kinda understandable. But once you understand that boxing has nothing in common with mma , then it's easier to accept.

In a fantasy mma vs boxing match up..
Any world class striker , prime or not...from kickboxing or pro boxing...has a genuine puncher's chance. But you can't keep up KOing all your opponents in less than 10 or 30 seconds for an entire career nor can you avoid the clinch. It is statistically impossible. The debate of prime mma fighter vs prime boxer will always boil down to this reality.

[billyconn]

Houston Alexander is one guy who's shown you only need heavy hands in MMA

[billyconn]

I think prime Tyson would have been undefeated in MMA....unless Buster Douglas decided to do it...

[boxingcar]

true but a head kick is way harder to land than a punchIt still lands on certain occasions...not to mention...knee strikes can also be used....and that too , can be very effective to instantly put someone to sleep
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[billyconn]

It still lands on certain occasions...not to mention...knee strikes can also be used....and that too , can be very effective to instantly put someone to sleep
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yep knees can be rather devastating......man that was when Wandy was the scariest 205'er on the planet....


would love to see that Wandy versus Anderson Silva.....

[billyconn]

and if boxing has nothing at all in common with mma why do mma fighter hire pro boxers to spar and train their boxing skills?

Good point but there's also what pleases the fans and fists hitting faces makes fans happy....GnP and/or submissions aren't crowdpleasers....as much as stand and punch which is kinda like boxing...:yep

[ufoalf]

Why have you guys been talking to this tool for 16 pages, he's obviously clueless...

[ufoalf]

Why have you guys been talking to this tool for 16 pages, he's obviously clueless...

[boxingcar]

and if boxing has nothing at all in common with mma why do mma fighter hire pro boxers to spar and train their boxing skills?

Punches can be used. that's the only thing in common with boxing.
Kicks , knees , elbows are allowed too...doesn't mean mma = muay thai.

That's why it's called mma.

When there's a clinch. When you tie your opponent. The ref will not separate the fighters.

3 options.
1 muay thai clinch
2 instant take down.
3 instant submission..(yes that exists even in the clinch)
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There's black belts submiting other black belts in jiujitsu...there's genuine olympic judo gold medalist who are getting subbed too...

Two different sports..
mma isn't boxing , nor it is based on strict Queens-Berry Rules. Once you accept that , you'll understand how ridiculous these prime boxer vs prime mma fighter debates are.

Ever wondered why all P4P fighters have top ground skills ? Why they all , without exception have this thing in common ?...Saint Pierre , Penn , Anderson , Yamamoto , Emelianenko , Hansen , Aoki , Nogueira...These are the guys who are the mma equivalents of boxing's Pacquiao , Klitschko , Mayweather , Pavlik , Vazsquez , Donaire , hatton etc...Not pure strikers.

[ufoalf]

I do understand what you are saying. My background is in wrestling so I understand how different the sports are. I just think in a fantasy street fight like the op suggested a guy like tyson does not get taken down everytime before getting in some shots. I say this primarily because tyson was so fast with power punches that he will land some and win sometimes. More often than not he loses.

Rolling around with your siblings in the back yard when u were 5 doesn't count as your wrestling background. Please, try again.

[ufoalf]

are you describing the level of mma experience you have?

Ooh ouch, nice come back. You're sharp.

[batang kanto]

Originally Posted by Olz15
this statement explains why your no longer relevant to this conversation, you dumb

you're the one who's dumb. in MMA and i think ayone would agree, even C-level and B-level and tomatoes are dangerous regardless of skills. no matter how skilled most champs are, they would most likely never stay undefeated. there's so many ways to lose.
boxing car said getting a clinch is one way a strong but unskilled fighter could win an upset. he's correct but he's forgotten that getting a quick strike with enough force through a porous MMA defense also abounds. so statements like tyson loses 98 times is just bullshit.

and kicks are indeed more powerful than tyson's punches. but no mma fighter can launch a three or four kick combination unlike tyson with his punch combos. a fighter ends up uncomposed after launching a kick hence more vulnerable to take downs, a puncher isn't as vulnerable. and kicks from a distance are easier to avoid than a close tyson punch traveling with great speed

[ufoalf]

you seem a bit of a mental midget. my guess is you have somebody read these posts to you then type your response as you slur it out.

Oh my, keep it coming. Mental midget, thats's a good one. Did someone call you that? I know you didn't come up with it.

[boxingcar]

you're the one who's dumb. in MMA and i think ayone would agree, even C-level and B-level and tomatoes are dangerous regardless of skills. no matter how skilled most champs are, they would most likely never stay undefeated. there's so many ways to lose.
boxing car said getting a clinch is one way a strong but unskilled fighter could win an upset. he's correct but he's forgotten that getting a quick strike with enough force through a porous MMA defense also abounds. so statements like tyson loses 98 times is just bullshit.

and kicks are indeed more powerful than tyson's punches. but no mma fighter can launch a three or four kick combination unlike tyson with his punch combos. a fighter ends up uncomposed after launching a kick hence more vulnerable to take downs, a puncher isn't as vulnerable. and kicks from a distance are easier to avoid than a close tyson punch traveling with great speed
Actually no , i haven't forgotten this fact...that's why i was talking about the reality of statistics. You should pay more attention. That's why i kept repeating that it is statistically impossible to avoid the clinch over and over and over again during an entire career.

Based on this reality...Prime Tyson or not....A world class striker would have a puncher's chance even against a bum.

That's why old Mercer got schooled by Kimbo slice (a bum , who's not even ranked)...

Now , you can tell me , that doesn't count (since mercer is old)...sure , but that's not the point....Mercer is old yes , but that didn't stop him from beating Mikael Lindblad in his own sport , via KO in round 1 right ?
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And that was in 2007....

Based on this fact...and based on his vastly superior boxing technic , Mercer should've been able to school Kimbo Slice ( i repeat , the guy is a real bum , although , he's progressing...but he's not even ranked)

But what happened instead ? This
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Based on Matt Skelton's superior strking
....He should've been able to KO the one dimensional (but great & powerful wrestler)... Tom Erikson...
But what happened ?..... .takedown... game over
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Both Mercer & Skelton had the potential to KO thir opponents in the first round... It could've happened. I'm not denying it. What i'm saying is that you can't expect to pull the type of shit Tyson used to do in his prime , under such different rules..

It is extremely difficult to pad a record in mma. Because even cans are somehow dangerous. (cans in boxing are forced to face their opponents under one dimensional rules and if that opponent is too fast , too powerful...they're fucked most of the time)

In mma , many of them can get away with this.
So tyson vs fedor is a stupid debate.

Could Tyson do it ? Sure... But odds are that he wouldn't dominate like he does in his own sport. You don't even need a guy of fedor's level to pull a victory against a prime tyson... It only takes one huge , one dimensional wrestler who'll simply aim for tyson's legs...(which makes it even safer to avoid the KO)

Grab the legs , take him down...No need for fedor.
But there's tons of guys who suck on the ground and who are still participating in mma , so it would also be quite reasonable to believe that tyson would be able to ko a lot of mma participants too...

But getting a record like mayweather's , tyson's , klitschko's...is way , WAY more problematic in mma. You simply cannot rely on power , speed and KO power alone...it doesn't work. It can work for a period of time but eventually , you'll get owned...

[boxingcar]

I do understand what you are saying. My background is in wrestling so I understand how different the sports are. I just think in a fantasy street fight like the op suggested a guy like tyson does not get taken down everytime before getting in some shots. I say this primarily because tyson was so fast with power punches that he will land some and win sometimes. More often than not he loses.

Street fight is another debate..If Mark Coleman was still allowed to fight like he used to before the ufc rules were modified...maybe he'd still be a very dangerous threat to any top 3 fighters...(Coleman used to headbutt his opponents on the ground)...

You can bite , eye gouge , use a knife...bring friends to help you...
That's another debate... Again , forget fedor...What if a guy of the size of sapp grabs you and pulls a slam on concrete floor ?...

I thought we were talking about combat sports here.

[ufoalf]

lol you said this

Why have you guys been talking to this tool for 16 pages, he's obviously clueless...

and you keep talking but then again you are a little slow:hi: :hi: :hi:

have that person typing for you google mental midget and read the description for you while you are looking in the mirror

I'm not arguing with you about the topic. In subject you are a complete tool because of your amateur statements and your obvious lack of knowledge in both boxing and any kinda of grappling. I can talk to you about something else where you might be intelligent, if there is such a subject, for few pages. Unfortunately, for you, my statement, which for anyone else is clear, was regarding the topic at hand.

[ufoalf]

and with the topic at hand being a street fight no way in hell can you say one guy wins 100-0. So if you think i dont know shit about boxing or mma because thats what i think then so be it. And obviously your statement is not clear for anyone else because many dont agree.

Are you taking in factors like brass knuckles, several people, props etc?

[curmudgeon]

you seem a bit of a mental midget. my guess is you have somebody read these posts to you then type your response as you slur it out.

Anybody who calls himself a "fightfan" must look like this:

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[ufoalf]

...yeah in a street fight you see a brick and want to use it there are no rules.

Than this is lame discussion in the first place.

If there are 2 people on a propless plane and everything goes, Tyson wins VERY few because of his and Fedors character and because once he's taken down there isn't much of cheap shotting you can do before you get your limbs broken and taken care of thereafter.

[ufoalf]

on the ground id agree 0-100 but there are too many things that can happen before it gets there to say someone with the speed and power of tyson to loses 0-100. Tyson had plenty of street fights before boxing even if he was young he learned some of the cheap stuff in street fighting thats not allowed in mma or boxing. Fedor still wins the majority but not as lopsided as some want to think. I still say 3 out 10 times tyson gets in either a solid punch or a cheap shot, headbutt, finger in the eye etc.


3 out of 10 is reasonable enough, tho i think it'd be more like 1/10 TOPS. I think I messed you up with capfunds or w/e in the first place.

The numbers are up for debate and it's anyones guess but my thing is there's too many things going for Fedor to give Tyson many wins.

[Dostoevsky]

Interview with fedor

You said that a fight with Tyson would end up with your quick victory - with taking the fight to the ground and submitting him. Where did you get such idea?

- I didn't say that the fight will end with my quick victory. It seems like journalists tried to spin it that way. The question was: If you ever fought Tyson, which strategy would you choose? I started thinking. Of course, I wouldn't start getting into exchanging punches, and would like to play it on my turf. Meaning I would take him to the ground, where obviously this is not one of Tyson's strengths, after which would try to go for submission.

[bulldogger]

I can name 4 guys that went the distance with a prime Tyson: Mitch Green, Bonecrusher Smith, James Tillis, and Tony Tucker. I don't think any of these guys could hang with Fiodor for 5 mniutes much less 30-36 minutes. Tyson was still in his prime when Buster Douglas beat him, though he was probably not in his absolute best shape. Many other boxers went several rounds with him before getting KO'd. Every second in the ring with Fiodor is very dangerous to your entire body. This would be a dream match that every one will disagree on. No true Tyson fan will give an inch or give Fiodor credit for his absolutely incredible finishing skills. Watch a bunch of Tyson fights and you will see lots of boxers holding him and clinching him during their fight, if they could get in on Tyson and hold him, what do you think an expert like Fiodor could do, if he clinches you you are getting taken down and twisted like a pretzel.