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0-1
07-24-2007, 07:56 PM
I think just about everyone here agrees that Hatton faces a tougher task here than in any of his other fights. So he is going to have to step it up in training to be better than he has ever been, against a fighter better than any he has ever beaten. What are the key things for his training that can make the win possible?


Floyd Mayweather Sr would be the best trainer for this job, if he would take it. If anyone knows how to beat PBF then it's him, and he was part of what made PBF what he is today. He should be offered conditional money, at least doubling if Hatton wins, to give him the best incentive, and also to match the benefit to Hatton, whose earning power goes through the roof if he wins this one, even just for the rematch!
He needs to spar the best, and so if he can exploit his apparent friendship with Shane Moseley, then he should be great preparation, as would Zab Judah, for whom this might be an appropriate role for now until his next fight.
He needs to work on pressuring Floyd on the ropes, like DLH did, because in the centre of the ring, with relatively short arms, he has much less chance. He needs to use his trademark smothering to stop Floyd's fast work, which DLH didn't do.
He needs to practice and practice and practice at getting in good bodyshots on a very elusive target. We all saw what he could do to Castillo, but Castillo wasn't so hard to hit with that peach of a shot. Floyd will be, but landing anything like it will be all the bigger prize.What do people reckon?

psychopath
07-24-2007, 08:15 PM
Hatton should be able to run the 100 meters under 9 seconds while throwing flurry of punches.

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BigReg
07-24-2007, 08:19 PM
So basically for Hatton to win he needs to switch trainers and hire the father of the guy who he's fighting, and he also needs to convince Shane Mosely or Zab Judah to be his sparring partners. If this is the case, then Hatton has zero chance of winning.

Fab2333
07-24-2007, 08:21 PM
So basically for Hatton to win he needs to switch trainers and hire the father of the guy who he's fighting, and he also needs to convince Shane Mosely or Zab Judah to be his sparring partners. If this is the case, then Hatton has zero chance of winning.

:happy:deal

nulty
07-24-2007, 08:24 PM
I think just about everyone here agrees that Hatton faces a tougher task here than in any of his other fights. So he is going to have to step it up in training to be better than he has ever been, against a fighter better than any he has ever beaten. What are the key things for his training that can make the win possible?

Floyd Mayweather Sr would be the best trainer for this job, if he would take it. If anyone knows how to beat PBF then it's him, and he was part of what made PBF what he is today. He should be offered conditional money, at least doubling if Hatton wins, to give him the best incentive, and also to match the benefit to Hatton, whose earning power goes through the roof if he wins this one, even just for the rematch!
He needs to spar the best, and so if he can exploit his apparent friendship with Shane Moseley, then he should be great preparation, as would Zab Judah, for whom this might be an appropriate role for now until his next fight.
He needs to work on pressuring Floyd on the ropes, like DLH did, because in the centre of the ring, with relatively short arms, he has much less chance. He needs to use his trademark smothering to stop Floyd's fast work, which DLH didn't do.
He needs to practice and practice and practice at getting in good bodyshots on a very elusive target. We all saw what he could do to Castillo, but Castillo wasn't so hard to hit with that peach of a shot. Floyd will be, but landing anything like it will be all the bigger prize.What do people reckon?

The only part I agree on is getting quality sparring (and I don't think it will be major factor), your choices are excellent but it won't happen. No way should Hatton change trainer Graham has been perfect for him and Floyd Sr would be wrong for his style.

Hatton will use his trademark smoothering but he doesn't need to try and copy DLH he needs to be himself, he will back Floyd up and he will get his chances. As regards practicing body shots, Hatton is already one the best in the business, IMO he needs to pound away relentlessly and not worry about how clean the shots are.

As far as I'm concerned Hatton already has the tools to cause PBF hell, so he needs great stamina and and to be mentally ready. Hatton will not out point Floyd but if he comes in in top shape and fights his heart out he has a shot at forcing a stoppage.

BeReal
07-24-2007, 10:59 PM
Floyd Sr is a joke

Zab is a lefty, how does that help Hatton prepare for Floyd...(a righty)

Brickhaus
07-24-2007, 11:03 PM
Floyd Sr would be a horrible trainer for Hatton. I don't think he's a shit trainer at all, but he's very good at improving the outside defense of fighters, and since Hatton's only shot would be to fight on the inside, I don't see how Sr.'s training would help Hatton too much.

BobDigi5060
07-24-2007, 11:06 PM
Hatton just needs to show up. No matter who trains him or what he learns its going to come down to him out willing Mayweather, not outclassing him from whatever he has learned. That would never happen. Two totally different boxers so they should stick to what suites them best, especially Hatton because his lack of D.

Floyd would beat both Hatton and Cotto but he cannot let these guys back into the fight.

thesandman
07-24-2007, 11:14 PM
I think that Hatton has a much better chance of "roughing" Floyd up than ODLH did.

I saw something on the TV here in Oz before the fight, and Johnny Lewis (KT's old trainer) basically predicted the fight to a 't'. He said Oscar would try and force being the "bigger man", but Oscar - while being a good fighter - is essentially a one handed fighter who fades late in fights. Not a good recipe to try and 'bully' a smaller guy.

He predicted a close decision to Floyd. Didn't really give Oscar much chance.

achillesthegreat
07-25-2007, 03:34 AM
Hatton is still in good shape from his last bout.

Cabannaro
07-25-2007, 03:53 AM
He needs to spar the best, and so if he can exploit his apparent friendship with Shane Moseley, then he should be great preparation
Mosely is in anger that big fights are passing by, so he will kill Fatton in sparring :!:

brooklyn1550
07-25-2007, 03:53 AM
He needs to have quality/fast sparring partners and come in great shape

PATSYS
07-25-2007, 04:06 AM
If I were Hatton's trainer, I will put him in an open field and tell him to catch a fox with his bare hands. That will be a good preparation for a fight against PBF.

Cabannaro
07-25-2007, 05:26 AM
If I were Hatton's trainer, I will put him in an open field and tell him to catch a fox with his bare hands. That will be a good preparation for a fight against PBF.
Fox can bite - don't forget it :twisted:

Mook
07-25-2007, 05:33 AM
Hatton just needs to show up. No matter who trains him or what he learns its going to come down to him out willing Mayweather, not outclassing him from whatever he has learned. That would never happen. Two totally different boxers so they should stick to what suites them best, especially Hatton because his lack of D.

Floyd would beat both Hatton and Cotto but he cannot let these guys back into the fight.

Kind if agree, but the lack of defence is incorrect. His defence has been based on wonderful head movement and great footwork. These were the reasons he was rarely caught flush vs Tszyu, who picks his punches as well as PBF.

PBF packs a decent punch, my fear is Hatton underestimating that. His head movement has disappeared in recent fights, even vs Castillo, though the footwork appears to be back. I think Graham needs to drum in and drum in and drum in the need for him to regain that head movement, both so that PBF finds it harder to counter and so that Hatton can work his way inside more effectively than odlh did.

If I were PBF, I'd train going southpaw.

Cabannaro
07-25-2007, 05:41 AM
If I were PBF, I'd train going southpaw.
:thumbsup

Have you seen PBF vs Carlos Hernandez?

Mook
07-25-2007, 05:44 AM
:thumbsup

Have you seen PBF vs Carlos Hernandez?

No, this is one of two of his bouts I haven't seen since Augustus (the other was the one after Hernandez, can't remember who that was against, i'll box rec it in a bit). Take it he went southpaw?

Cabannaro
07-25-2007, 06:04 AM
No, this is one of two of his bouts I haven't seen since Augustus (the other was the one after Hernandez, can't remember who that was against, i'll box rec it in a bit). Take it he went southpaw?
Yep. After the left hand injury he turned southpaw and used wavy right jab.

PS. Jesus Chavez was after Hernandez

Shev
07-25-2007, 06:21 AM
Hatton should take marksman training cause the only way one of his shots is catching Mayweather is if it's fired from a rifle.

Cabannaro
07-25-2007, 06:22 AM
Hatton should study tapes of Hopkins, a fellow inside brawler who works the clinch well - he needs to tighten up his defense so he doesn't get torn apart coming in and ultimately, needs to consistently put Floyd under pressure where he can unload flurries (ala De La Hoya, where De La Hoya was having success)

Body shots early, to try them out, don't be afraid to attempt to rough Floyd up and be prepared to trade many close rounds without getting frustrated.
Hatton should do what he usually does and he cannot do that better. No one can.

ODLH is of no relevance as:

1. He hadn't much success.

2. He has reach advantage over PBF, so Floyd couldn't hit him at distance as free as he could against Gatti or Baldi.

Mook
07-25-2007, 06:43 AM
Also, Hatton needs plans a through c.

PBF often starts slowly. I think he froze at first vs ODLH, and I think the same thing will happen in the first two rounds vs Hatton. that should be two in the bag. Then change style, cos Floyd will have figured the first one out and will be less fearful. That could be the next couple of rounds. Then do it again. And then keep rotating styles. If Hatton is ahead on pts after eight, PBF will have to be more aggressive. I believe this plays into Hatton's hands at that stage.

Hatton is more than just a brawler, and usually has a top quality game plan coupled with a good gut instinct of what will work. He needs to show his versatility - hell, don't take the bait and be the aggressor when PBF is waiting to counter. confuse him, bewilder him with every style Hatton can execute.

I'm talking myself into this. Hatton will win.

PATSYS
07-25-2007, 07:10 AM
Fox can bite - don't forget it :twisted: That is part of the training. If he can't avoid it, how can he expect to deal with PBF? :-(

marzblkman
07-25-2007, 07:20 AM
While I think Ricky stands little chance of beating Floyd, anythign is possible. However don't you guys think Ricky's style is MUCH easier to replicate than Floyd's during training??

I'd guarantee they'd bring in guys who fight at Junior Middles or bigger again but have situational sparring of partners focusing strictly on his punch, lunge and grab strategy he does so well :)

What would Floyd Sr's motivation be to to take on a charge like Hatton come on now.

In other pipe dream news, Floyd Jr is going to fire Roger and bring in Don Felix Trinidad and Jack Mosley saying, "I need their fantastic crisis, down the stretch advice to insure I'm headed in the losing direction with Ricky",lol.

0-1
07-25-2007, 07:51 AM
I never said it was realistic, just off the top of my head thought of those elements. I think beating PBF at this stage, while he's still in his prime, is going to have to be a matter of a perfect storm: the right fighter, with the right training, a way to neutralise Floyd, and executing perfectly a game plan to bewilder him. The idea was to debate the details of what that would be.
So who else besides Moseley or Zab has the speed to teach Ricky? Maybe he can get some lighter fighters?

AREA 53
07-26-2007, 09:18 AM
The Hatton camp will take care of the Back-End Stuff, no problem there,
It might rest on the front end, weather they can get Mayweather to agree to a ringsize which is not maximum, and a ref who will not immediately stop the inside work of Hatton the moment he gets close to Floyd, Ricky will be banking on his strenght and bullying early in the fight paying dividends in the last third, if Ricky is allowed to Rag-Doll Floyd, maybe Floyd will get a little bit dispondent as he is rough-housed with increasing regularity after the half way stage..? This could be a Mini Ali-Frazier clone of a Fight...But would it be Fight 1 2 or 3 ??? i think Ref and Ringsize could make a big difference.

Dostoevsky
07-26-2007, 09:21 AM
Hatton has 0 chance of beating Mayweather.
Floyd will go undefeated throughout his career, I'm sure of it.

Super_Fly_Sam
07-26-2007, 09:24 AM
Im Backing Floyd For The Fight, But...

Body Shots Could Work For Ricky....

Anyone Remeber When Oscar Hit Floyd Like 7 Times In A Row To The Body???

Floyd Also (At Least To Me) Didn't Show Any Urgency About Getting His Arms in The Way Of Those Punches.. So Maybe His Body Is There To Hit... Plus The Body Dosen't Move Like The Head....


That All Aside I Still Back Floyd By Decission

timber
10-08-2007, 08:10 PM
Ricky Hatton could practice on the "whack a mole" machine in the arcade,turning the machine onto full speed:beat:beat

Taffyy
10-18-2007, 01:07 PM
Hatton has 0 chance of beating Mayweather.
Floyd will go undefeated throughout his career, I'm sure of it.
what a stupid post............0 chance.....:patsch

Relentless
10-18-2007, 01:13 PM
it would be great if hatton could spar mosley and cotto to spar mayweather to prepare.