Amin Asikainen vs. Khoren Gevor

[Toney]

I am sure that Asikainen will simpy outclass at the end of the day knock out Khoren Gevor in their fight at TBA later this year. If this fight is held in Finland I really give the Armenian no chance. But if it will be fought in Germany (with corrupted referee) then dirty Gevor has some chances.

[Artani]

Khoren Gevor show brilant fight Abraham. He gets KO in the 11-th but show his spirit. I dont how he looking today but dont ignore Gevor, if he fights like before, he can beat Asikainen.

[Loewe]

I am sure that Asikainen will simpy outclass at the end of the day knock out Khoren Gevor in their fight at TBA later this year. If this fight is held in Finland I really give the Armenian no chance. But if it will be fought in Germany (with corrupted referee) then dirty Gevor has some chances.

You should be much more objective. Ghevor showed against Abraham that he is no joke. Did Asikainen prove himself to such an opponent?
Well, i can see this fight going both ways, Ghevor outworking Asikainen or Asikainen koing Ghevor late. It will be a good fight though.

[BigEars]

Very good match up, and I think home advantage will be key .
Asikainen is the heavier puncher but Gevor is probably busier and I reckon this will be close .

I'm gonna go with Gevor by narrow decision .

[Serenata]

Gevor is the more complete fighter, so I think he will win either by late KO or decision.

[Robot16]

I was aboutto make a thread of this here.
I havnt seen either but have read about Amin since his second fight with Sylvester.
I am looking forward to this and enjoy these european middleweights like Sylvester,etc.

So in this match is Amin the puncher, whule Gevor the Boxer?

How has Gevor looked since Abraham?

[Toney]

So in this match is Amin the puncher, whule Gevor the Boxer?

How has Gevor looked since Abraham?

In my opinnion Asikainen is both the puncher and the boxer in this match-up. Gevor is a pressure-fighter in this one. He hopes that he can put enough pressure to make Asikainen tired or to do bad mistakes.

How has Gevor looked since Abraham? That is a good question. I have not seen his last two outings. How has he looked? If he has not improved since the Abraham fight, then Asikainen will beat him, no doubt!

[Loewe]

In my opinnion Asikainen is both the puncher and the boxer in this match-up. Gevor is a pressure-fighter in this one. He hopes that he can put enough pressure to make Asikainen tired or to do bad mistakes.

How has Gevor looked since Abraham? That is a good question. I have not seen his last two outings. How has he looked? If he has not improved since the Abraham fight, then Asikainen will beat him, no doubt!

Well, he won both fights so it can´t have been that bad. What favours Ghevor is his workrate. I don´t know if Asaikainen can repeat Abraham´s feature of knocking Ghevor out. He took many of AA´s bombs so he has a good chin and while Ghevor has very good power it´s still a good amount less than Arthur has. It will be an entertaining fight that´s for sure.

[Robot16]

ok thanks guys.

So Gevor isa pressure fighter, while Amin can box and bang.

In the future i will get Amin's 2 fights with Sylvester.

Would Sylvester have a better time with Gevor?

[Loewe]

ok thanks guys.

So Gevor isa pressure fighter, while Amin can box and bang.

In the future i will get Amin's 2 fights with Sylvester.

Would Sylvester have a better time with Gevor?

Nah, i don´t think so. Sylvester is imo a btter boxer than Asikainen but has less power. Imo Asikainen has a bigger chance against Ghevor. But well neither of these three are worldbeaters and would lose to either Abraham or Pavlik. All three would have a good chance against Sturm though with Asikainen haveing the biggest due to his size, reach and power.

[Serenata]

Don´t give him much of a chance against a motivated Sturm.

[NBT]

Well, both of them aren't all that, Asikainen has the edge in power (but not AA kind of power), he really isn't that technically skilled and he doesn't take the best punch. Sylvester, who isn't exactly the hardest puncher around had him all over the place with not exactly devastating shots. And it isn't even about the knockdowns, what should be worrying, it's about how Asikainen couldn't recuperate at all from the knockdowns. Ghevor otoh took some hard shots from AA before he finally went down. But I don't think much of Ghevor either, so it could be an even and entertaining fight.

[Robot16]

Ok thanks guys for all the great info.
Yeah i think i am more interested in these fighters since i cannot watch them regularly and don't hear much about them.
But hopefully they put on a good show for you's.

Yeah Sylvester is getting a shot at Sturm so that should be some fun.

[RonnieHornschuh]

i favor gevor. asikainnen wouldn't have lasted 11 with AA.

[Rick G]

Both are really tough guys - the outcome is unpredictable for me. Gevor delivered a good fight vs. AA that says a lot.

[koraytyson]

It will be good fight. Two boxers are good in their division. I think Asikainen is one step ahead from Gevor. Asikainen's rankings are showing this difference. IMO, Asikainen will be a new European Champion.

[unitas]

gevor is more talented and far tougher. the only way asikainen wins is if gevor is shot after the loss to abraham. but i dont think so. he fought twice and gave good performances.

[Odo]

Very good match up, and I think home advantage will be key .
Asikainen is the heavier puncher but Gevor is probably busier and I reckon this will be close .

I'm gonna go with Gevor by narrow decision .

Good guess,bigears!
I quite agree with you. Asikainen has the edge in firepower,but Gevor is a very tough cookie who can take a good punch.
The Armenian warrior always enters the ring to duke it out with his foe trying to wear him down in a battle of attrition.Boxing is a mind game. Guess that Gevor has the upper hand in mental toughness.
Besides Gevor is the more active ,busier fighter whose style wont suit Asikainen very well.
And there is no doubt who of this pair has the better stamina. Could be the decisive factor in their upcomming encounter.
Anyway! I am really looking forward to his fight. Seems to be a good even match which could go either way.
Gevor is almost always fun to watch due to his style.
I truly enjoyed his entertaining encounters with Konecny,Abraham,and Chirkov. He gave hell to Abraham,lost twice to Konecny by tko in very close fights,and had an outstandingly entertaining fight with Chirkov.
Asikainen vs Gevor is a very promising fight IMO.

[Akhilleus]

I think its gonna be a close call. Both fighters have their strenghts and weaknesses. What comes to Gevor's punching power - I think he got some. I mean, maybe Asikainen got got little bit edge on pp, but the armenian can also deliver hard shots. Before Abraham fight, Gevor had 15 KO's in 25 fights. Asikainen has now 24 fights and 16 KO's. OK, its been a while (over one year) since Gevors last win by tko/ko. After his last KO win, he has fought 4 times. One loss to Abraham and then two "comeback fights". Gevor couldnt knock em out, put Perillo was counted twice in their matchup. I believe Gevor still got it, maybe he is not a knockout artist but.. dangerous lefty.

I hope Asikainen finds his pace with southpaw fighter like Gevor. Tune-up at the end of august is really needed, cos its been long since Asikainen last time faced lefthanded fighter. If I recall right - last time was in his amateur career (somebody correct me if Im wrong)?

Both guys have had their big setups (Asikainen with Sylvester 2 and Gevor with Abraham). Now both fighters are back and hungry for the title. Somebody here was wondering will Asikainen have enough stamina. Im sure he has, but I think so has Gevor. In my opinion Gevor style could be just right for Asikainen. If Gevor still wants to put pressure, that should suit Asikainen well.

In my cards these both guys are quite even. If I would place a bet, my money would go to Asikainen.

[kronkman]

hi all,
i think it is even,
either fighter has the tools to win,
i know them both verry well(i fought one and with the other i sparred for a long time)
both are tough guys-
the bigger pp has defenitly amin and he has a lot bettter legs than khoren and he is the better boxer(but i'm not sure if amin can take too much from khoren-see fight with sylvester-and sylvester has no punch maybe amin was too tyred and get cought-belive me guys sylvester has no punch he is a worker okay but punch defenitly no i sparred a lot with him too)
when amin keeps moving and firing his shots with his long arms he's taking it
maybe via late ko or stoppage
it will be a good fight
good matchmaking:happy:happy:happy:bbb:bbb:bbb:bbb:bbb:bbb:bbb:bbb:bbb:bbb

[Toney]

The fight will be hold Nov 28 in Finland. Does so many of you still belive in Gevor´s chances?

[VHB]

Toney, take a break. Gevor is just as good fighter as Sylvester. If not better. We Finns definitely root for Asikainen. But Gevor is the most dangerous opponent to ever come to Finland against Amin. I predict Asikainen by narrow UD. 115-113.

[unitas]

unless gevor is shot after the loss to abraham, i cant see asikainen winning.

of course there is a big chance of him being shopworn after the abraham fight. hard to tell.

if he is still the same fighter like he was vs AA, he would wreck asikainen imo.

[VHB]

You´re right, Gevor is good. But you just undermine Asikainen because of the Sylvester rematch. I know it, it can be read from you... you´re making a mistake.

[unitas]

You´re right, Gevor is good. But you just undermine Asikainen because of the Sylvester rematch. I know it, it can be read from you... you´re making a mistake.

i dont just judge him by the sylvester rematch. i judge him by the first sylvester fight, the ebu defense vs sipos and the rematch vs sylvester.

even in the first sylvester fight, with sylvester making all the mistakes in the world, he still was winning the fight before getting caught.

vs sipos, a natural jr. middleweight and not a very good fighter, he had to fight very hard.

and the rematch vs sylvester, he had all the psycological advantages........and even got himself stopped.

gevor at his best, is at a higher level. unless of course he is damaged goods...........

[VHB]

Sipos is very awkward and Mahir Oral, world ranked former EU champion beat him by one point. Sipos hasn´t got the tools to be a good champ, but he sure is difficult to fight. Asikainen couldn´t look great against Sipos, but he sure wasn´t going to lose either. Who has looked good against Sipos?

Asikainen´s tactic in the first fight with Sylvester was to start slowly and then surprise Sylvester with hard shots in the middle rounds. It worked very well. Amin had not fought at this level before, so it was a good gameplan.

Sylvester got the stoppage mainly due to being allowed to take Asikainen´s legs away with a neck punch.

Gevor has looked good against fringe opposition, but he hasn´t beaten top contenders even at euro level! He has no wins from this level! Abraham he fought, tried to look good by landing unsignificant shots, would´ve lost it anyway clearly on points.

[Loewe]

Sylvester got the stoppage mainly due to being allowed to take Asikainen´s legs away with a neck punch.
BS.Sylvester was winning the fight even before that. Asikainen is a solid Euro level fighter nothing more.

Gevor has looked good against fringe opposition, but he hasn´t beaten top contenders even at euro level! He has no wins from this level! Abraham he fought, tried to look good by landing unsignificant shots, would´ve lost it anyway clearly on points.
Yeah but when did Asikainen ever showed a performance like that? Right, never.

[Lewisbell]

Gervor is solid, but I think Amin will win by a late KO or UD, a British fighter like Duddy would be a suitable opponent

[unitas]

Sipos is very awkward and Mahir Oral, world ranked former EU champion beat him by one point. Sipos hasn´t got the tools to be a good champ, but he sure is difficult to fight. Asikainen couldn´t look great against Sipos, but he sure wasn´t going to lose either. Who has looked good against Sipos?

Asikainen´s tactic in the first fight with Sylvester was to start slowly and then surprise Sylvester with hard shots in the middle rounds. It worked very well. Amin had not fought at this level before, so it was a good gameplan.

Sylvester got the stoppage mainly due to being allowed to take Asikainen´s legs away with a neck punch.

Gevor has looked good against fringe opposition, but he hasn´t beaten top contenders even at euro level! He has no wins from this level! Abraham he fought, tried to look good by landing unsignificant shots, would´ve lost it anyway clearly on points.
first off, i totally disagree with you opinion regarding sipos. i do not find him awkward at all. just a very basic fighter.

oral may have had trouble with him, but he was coming off major hand surgery and out of retirement as well.

dont forget, sipos couldnt even win the german international belt vs the ordinary roman aramian one fight later.

as for the first sylvester fight, i dont know anything about that tactic. but fact is, he was losing.
to me, the reason why sylvester lost had more to do with him getting unsettled by a butt from asikainen that cut him. that made him get careless and he got caught.

the rematch i think sylvester just simply outboxed him, wore him down and stopped him.
asikainen was always a step behind. and i dont think that sylvester landed illegal punches. asikainen just isnt that robust a fighter.

i agree that gevors record doesnt hold any wins over top level opposition. but take away that lucky punch win from the first sylvester fight, neither has asikainen.

but gevor proved his mettle vs AA. sure, he would have been beaten on points had he not lost in round eleven.

but lets be realistic: had asikainen fought AA, would he have even made it to round 11??

no way!! he would have been lucky to get out of the first 3 rounds imo.

[VHB]

You just don´t know the whole story with Amin. After he won the EBU title last time, his style changed and he started trying to KO his opponents. He is a natural active defense puncher-boxer. He defends, sucks his opponent in, and lands hard shots, his best punches are really tough, and often guys have been lifted from the canvas by something else than their own feet. This old Asikainen is know coming back, his two previous fights proved that. Campas just tried to walk through guys like Duddy and Macklin, and survived the distance. Nobody survives that with Asikainen! Asikainen in his peak, is the defender, not the aggressor. With Abraham, Asikainen would take a beating if he fought like he did with Sylvester the last time, I agree. But Asikainen´s best performances have been good enough to go the distance with Abraham. And I do think that if Asikainen lands like he can, he will cause Arthur´s jaw the biggest shock since it broke down.

Asikainen would send Duddy to a longer healing period than Smichet did.

Sipos has a difficult style, he is almost like Abraham with his turtle defense. He has never been stopped or knocked out. His handspeed is slow. Mahir Oral is still a good fighter, and the Sipos fight was everything you knew to expect: Oral winning, but Sipos giving lot of trouble. Sipos just always GIVES TROUBLE. It´s difficult for him to win fights like this, but he always makes it a long night for his opponent. Asikainen was always beating him, but he was no pushover.

Please don´t think that I don´t know anything about Aramian. He is better than his record shows. He had a huge winning streak until he recently lost.

Sylvester was in deep shit with Amin for the first 6 rounds last time out. Dropped in 1st, Boiled through 2-5, Hurt in the 6th, Came back with a surprising but meaningless knockdown in 7th, and if you actually watch the fight instead of forgetting what happened, you see what happens in rd 8. It´s no matter of an argument: the truth is there. His eyes point to the direction where he is punching, he sees his shot, he sees his target. The target, I might add - IS THE BACKSIDE OF ASIKAINEN.

Asikainen was leading the fight 59-55 on two cards after 6. Does this mean, that even when Sylvester outboxes somebody, he loses the fight on wide points? :D

Asikainen appears shaken by the neck shot, and fights for the remainder of the fight like he had few beers on every break.

This enables Sylvester to land the 600 shots he needs to knock somebody out. :D

[Toney]

i agree that gevors record doesnt hold any wins over top level opposition. but take away that lucky punch win from the first sylvester fight, neither has asikainen. Take a look at this: [Only registered and activated users can see links] and tell me where is a lucky punch? Asikainen hurt Sylvester several times in that time. Asikainen hurted Sylvester twice with a left hook before finishing him off with that punch and you think that it was a lucky punch? :nut Three times lucky with the same punch in one round! :rofl He must be the luckiest man alive!

Gevor has never beaten a opponent like Asikainen, who is rated Kelly Palvik´s #4 challanger by the Ring. Asikainen has stopped world-class Sylvester. I also think that stoppage win over still capable Yori Boy Campas and a clear UD over decent Lorenzo di Giacomo are better wins that any of Gevor´s wins.

I am not saying that it will be easy, but I belive that Asikainen is the favourite in this one. And I also belive that he will knock Gevor out in good fashion. And I belive he will look so good that all of you who now pick Gevor will say that Gevor was shot already before the fight. Asikainen will outclass him, make him look bad and knock him out!

[Leifhackman]

I am no boxing expert of any kind. But what has seemed to me to be a big problem for Asikainen that he eats jab far too easily when he has an opponent of his own class that throws jabs. When he's looking for a chance to punch it some times looks almost like he forgets that the other guy hits back. He just stands there many times without any kind of movement and before findind a spot to punch he picks up a jab. I think that was what basically would have kept him from winning in Sylvester I if he didn't KO Sly. Other than this I don't think Asikainen gives that much advantage to anyone. We'll see if this is an issue in Gevor fight.

[VHB]

It´s not an issue IF he moves and mixes it up. He did this with Campas, Di Giacomo and last rounds of SS I. His best fights. Amin has gotten more focused as of late and seems that his mental side is stronger. This is the key. He has been too careless at times in the ring.

[Finn73]

Take a look at this: [Only registered and activated users can see links] and tell me where is a lucky punch? Asikainen hurt Sylvester several times in that time. Asikainen hurted Sylvester twice with a left hook before finishing him off with that punch and you think that it was a lucky punch? :nut Three times lucky with the same punch in one round! :rofl He must be the luckiest man alive!

Gevor has never beaten a opponent like Asikainen, who is rated Kelly Palvik´s #4 challanger by the Ring. Asikainen has stopped world-class Sylvester. I also think that stoppage win over still capable Yori Boy Campas and a clear UD over decent Lorenzo di Giacomo are better wins that any of Gevor´s wins.

I am not saying that it will be easy, but I belive that Asikainen is the favourite in this one. And I also belive that he will knock Gevor out in good fashion. And I belive he will look so good that all of you who now pick Gevor will say that Gevor was shot already before the fight. Asikainen will outclass him, make him look bad and knock him out!

Who would be the favorite for you if Asikainen would fight against Abraham or Pavlik?

[Toney]

Who would be the favorite for you if Asikainen would fight against Abraham or Pavlik? Abraham or Pavlik. Asikainen is a pure world class fighter and he would have his chances against either of them, but of course the two fighters would be clear favourites against any other middleweight. From all the others middlweights in the world Asikainen would have the best chances against them.

Asikainen will be more impressive against Gevor than Abraham was! Asikainen will really dominate him!

[Loewe]

Abraham or Pavlik. Asikainen is a pure world class fighter and he would have his chances against either of them, but of course the two fighters would be clear favourites against any other middleweight. From all the others middlweights in the world Asikainen would have the best chances against them.

Asikainen will be more impressive against Gevor than Abraham was! Asikainen will really dominate him!

Well, that´s some nuthugging going on here. :lol:

[Leifhackman]

It´s not an issue IF he moves and mixes it up. He did this with Campas, Di Giacomo and last rounds of SS I. His best fights. Amin has gotten more focused as of late and seems that his mental side is stronger. This is the key. He has been too careless at times in the ring.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I got the picture that Campas couldn't reach to throw jabs like that. With Di Giacomo Asikainen was keeping his distance very much and in my recollection didn't even really look for chances to throw punches. My picture of that match is that "If I don't let you touch me I win even if I don't touch you either." My picture of SS 1 was that Asikainen was loosing on pts until he floored SS. Can't really remember if the nature of the fight changed at some points, maybe I should watch that one again.

[Leifhackman]

Abraham or Pavlik. Asikainen is a pure world class fighter and he would have his chances against either of them, but of course the two fighters would be clear favourites against any other middleweight. From all the others middlweights in the world Asikainen would have the best chances against them.

Asikainen will be more impressive against Gevor than Abraham was! Asikainen will really dominate him!

I think Asikainen could put pressure on Abraham like Gevor did, but keep his distance better. Abraham hasn't impressed me being under pressure.

[skateolive]

Well, that´s some nuthugging going on here. :lol:

Hah, youre right. Its comical how some of the Finnish boxing fans are under some completely false assumptions about Asikainen's ability. Its understandable in a way cause he is the only decent boxer we have here in Finland. I believe he is solid top10, but would probably not last 3 rounds with either Abraham or Pavlik. However, this fight versus Gevor should be interesting; even matchup imo.

[Loewe]

Hah, youre right. Its comical how some of the Finnish boxing fans are under some completely false assumptions about Asikainen's ability. Its understandable in a way cause he is the only decent boxer we have here in Finland. I believe he is solid top10, but would probably not last 3 rounds with either Abraham or Pavlik. However, this fight versus Gevor should be interesting; even matchup imo.

Yep, I agree. Imo he is either 5th or 6th at mw right now but he still isn´t good enough for Pavlik and Abraham. Those are also the only ones that I think are world class right now.

[Leifhackman]

Yep, I agree. Imo he is either 5th or 6th at mw right now but he still isn´t good enough for Pavlik and Abraham. Those are also the only ones that I think are world class right now.

Well... IMO Abraham is an expert putting anyone belly up when given a chance and he is very calm. But the picture I have of him is that under pressure he can be very passive. So... if you keep putting pressure on him and keep your distance when he attacks I can't see why couldn't he be won on pts by many others. Then again, once you give him the initiative I think he can take out pretty much anyone.

[Loewe]

Well... IMO Abraham is an expert putting anyone belly up when given a chance and he is very calm. But the picture I have of him is that under pressure he can be very passive. So... if you keep putting pressure on him and keep your distance when he attacks I can't see why couldn't he be won on pts by many others. Then again, once you give him the initiative I think he can take out pretty much anyone.

Abraham is a counterpuncher he wants you to come to him and pressure him if you do it he will explode from his shell and put you down. Especially a chinny guy like Asikainen won´t stand a chance.

[seldon71]

Abraham's main problem as a middleweight is that he is so cut-and-dry that he can only fight for about 30 secs. per round. Thus the easiest way to beat him is to work when AA coasts and avoid the bursts. Elvin Ayala was doing pretty well with these tactics and he is very average as far as contenders come.

Also, Kofi Jantuah was able to take all AA had to offer and came close to stopping Abraham thru' pure exhaustion. The scores in that fight were excessively wide, but Abraham did indeed enough to deservedly win.

Based on that evidence, I would say that apart from Pavlik, the two high-volume, robust Mexicans in Enrique Ornelas & David Lopez would be Abraham's greatest danger.

Asikainen would need a perfect counter-punch to the chin of attacking AA to score a one-punch KO win. That would be possible, but also very unlikely. Without footwork to avoid those attacks nor defensive skills to ride them, he wouldn't have too many rounds to try and hit that jackpot. Very much a 10/1 outside chance.

But make no mistake, outside the top 2 of Pavlik&Abraham, Asikainen is not really worse than 50/50 pick against ANY other middleweight in the world, at least not on home soil or neutral venue. Sturm in Germany would be favored over Amin.

[NBT]

But the picture I have of him is that under pressure he can be very passive.
Has nothing to do with pressure, he always fight for only like 30 seconds a round, no matter who he faces. That's his style, always was, (and probably) always will be. AA can be outpointed, but he is the definition of a punchers chance, that probability that he will catch you eventually is very high and he doesn't need many punches, especially a guy like Asikainen whose legs were turned to jelly by a light puncher like Sylvester doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell. I can't remember a supposed top 10 fighter with that poor recuperation power. It isn't about being knocked down, it's about how he reacted to being knocked down, he was totally out of it for like 30 seconds, it really only needed a slap to finish him.

And now I ask the Asikanien nuthuggers, you remember AA - Gevor a year ago right? Now replace Gevor with Asikainen... Do you honestly believe Asikainen would have lasted 11 rounds? Get the fuck outta here.

I don't know how how the fight will turn out. I was never to high on Gevor, never mind Asikainen. The AA knockout was very brutal and he took a good number of hard shots during the fight. It may very well have taken something out of him, so we'll see, should be an interesting match on European level.

[Kegsy]

Amin Asikainen is a legitimate top 5 middleweight, who i feel will comfortably break down Khoren Gevor.

[Leifhackman]

And now I ask the Asikanien nuthuggers, you remember AA - Gevor a year ago right? Now replace Gevor with Asikainen... Do you honestly believe Asikainen would have lasted 11 rounds? Get the fuck outta here.

I do remember that fight. I think it's possible that Asikainen would pick the pts and stay out of AA:s bombs. If he sticked to doing that I think even winning 12 rounds would be very much possible.

I don't know how how the fight will turn out. I was never to high on Gevor, never mind Asikainen. The AA knockout was very brutal and he took a good number of hard shots during the fight. It may very well have taken something out of him, so we'll see, should be an interesting match on European level.
Well.. in 'bout couple of months we know more about that.

[sjomcik]

I think Gevor can win by UD

[NBT]

I do remember that fight. I think it's possible that Asikainen would pick the pts and stay out of AA:s bombs. If he sticked to doing that I think even winning 12 rounds would be very much possible.
:naughty You guys want to see something in Asikainen that simply isn't there. In a match up with AA Asikainen would only last the distance if he is running and then he would lose a decision. If he comes to fight, i.e actually trying to win the fight, he has no and I mean no chance at all to see the end of the 12th round on his feet. Bare some freak incident that is one of the few certainties in boxing.

[Odo]

:naughty You guys want to see something in Asikainen that simply isn't there. In a match up with AA Asikainen would only last the distance if he is running and then he would lose a decision. If he comes to fight, i.e actually trying to win the fight, he has no and I mean no chance at all to see the end of the 12th round on his feet. Bare some freak incident that is one of the few certainties in boxing.

Well spoken,nbt!


Besides a victory for Asikainen against Gevor is no sure bet at all.

[VHB]

Media war is on.

Fritz Sdunek thinks that Gevor will KO Asikainen.

Asikainen´s trainer Pekka Maki replied that it´s good to see Gevor coming to fight, since he will meet his destruction.

Both fighters are reported as being in the best shape of their career.

I think we are seeing something about Asikainen that you just don´t know guys! Let´s face it, you guys NBT and Odo don´t really follow Amin´s career, you probably watched the Sylvester fights and think he was a lucky bum to escape with the title and got exposed in the rematch. WRONG. Odo usually is very eager and harsh in his predictions. He said he wasn´t convinced about Sylvester. Is he now? Is he, if he beats Sturm? Reminds me of people who mock Marco Huck. COME ON, these guys are in world´s top 10 of their weight class.

Well, Gevor fight should tell a tale even for you...

And may I remind you once again...Gevor has no big wins or titles, apart from some inter-continental belts and guys like Chirkov who looked good until they met some real opposition. Gevor´s reputation is built on a fight he lost by KO. And there´s no way that I can understand why some ranking lists have him ahead of Asikainen....just look at fightnews....terrible....

[Antsu]

I think Gevor can win by UD

Not in Finland he cant.

They score every round to Finnish fighters here. To win a split decicion in Finland, you have to totaly dominate the hometown hero.

[seldon71]

Dear Antsu,

What you say is kinda true in regular fight with all-Finnish judges. It is not true in EBU fight with all-neutral judges.

[Odo]

Media war is on.

Fritz Sdunek thinks that Gevor will KO Asikainen.

Asikainen´s trainer Pekka Maki replied that it´s good to see Gevor coming to fight, since he will meet his destruction.

Both fighters are reported as being in the best shape of their career.

I think we are seeing something about Asikainen that you just don´t know guys! Let´s face it, you guys NBT and Odo don´t really follow Amin´s career, you probably watched the Sylvester fights and think he was a lucky bum to escape with the title and got exposed in the rematch. WRONG. Odo usually is very eager and harsh in his predictions. He said he wasn´t convinced about Sylvester. Is he now? Is he, if he beats Sturm? Reminds me of people who mock Marco Huck. COME ON, these guys are in world´s top 10 of their weight class.

Well, Gevor fight should tell a tale even for you...

And may I remind you once again...Gevor has no big wins or titles, apart from some inter-continental belts and guys like Chirkov who looked good until they met some real opposition. Gevor´s reputation is built on a fight he lost by KO. And there´s no way that I can understand why some ranking lists have him ahead of Asikainen....just look at fightnews....terrible....

Interesting post,mate!

I am still not sold neither on Amin nor on Sylvester. Yep! At times I am too harsh on certain fighters. You are probably right in saying this!

I look forward to Gevor vs Amin as I think that this upcomming fight seems to be a battle between two fighters who are more or less on the same level.I will put my money on the Armenian warrior. Why? Just a gut feeling. I somehow think that the Armenian is the mentally tougher warrior of this pair.Nevertheless,Amin has a good chance to beat Gevor.
May the better man win!:good

[Toney]

Octavio Castro ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) is Asikainen´s "main-sparringpartner" for the Gevor fight. Does anyone know that with who Gevor is sparring?

[VHB]

Pretty ridiciulous to complain about Finnish fight scoring, when Tolppola lost to Di Rocco clearly on points in a close fight, that some actually thought he won.

Not even the 3-Finnish-judge fights are that bad. Foreigners always get rounds, if they do well.

[Antsu]

Pretty ridiciulous to complain about Finnish fight scoring, when Tolppola lost to Di Rocco clearly on points in a close fight, that some actually thought he won.

Not even the 3-Finnish-judge fights are that bad. Foreigners always get rounds, if they do well.

Maybe you didn’t watch the fights in Tampere, couple of months ago. Some of the most biased scoring I have ever seen. For example Elovaara was beaten around the ring in start to a second round to an end of sixth round. Bleeding in both eyes after the final round. Still one of the judges gave all rounds to Elovaara. Scores were 57-57, 60-54, 59-55
it was disgusting to watch that robbery even when I was cheering for the Finnish fighters.

Same kind of biased scoring happens Finland bouts all the time.

[Antsu]

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[VHB]

Antsu, are you really basing this thing on Elovaara-Ziausys fight alone? It was a difficult fight to score, since Elovaara was putting pressure and landing the harder shots, while Ziausys was faster, landed more but meaningless thuds and was constantly backpedaling. 57-57 draw was reasonable, but I gave the edge to Elovaara, 58-56. You are probably right, that the two judges favoring Elovaara exaggerated a bit... anyway, I think putting in some soft slaps and running away isn quite enough to steal a fight... or did you think Gevor was leading Abraham? Nooo...

IMO we have one really good referee in Finland, Erkki Meronen. And Esa Lehtosaari is very good and unbiased when it comes to scoring. Lehtosaari was the one who saw Elovaara-Ziausys as a draw. He also scored Antman-Tulilyuk as a draw yesterday. About the other judges and refs in Finland, I don´t know much about them. But well, Meronen and Lehtosaari are the only ones right now with international reputation ...

[Sakura]

Training..

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[Cruiser1]

Who's everybody picking in the Elovaara/Haapoja fight for the Finnish heavyweight title?

[Odo]

Anyone here going to watch this fight event live in Finnland??

Would like to learn something about one of the undercard fights, Shafikov vs Raul Balbi.

A detailed report will be appreciated!

Thanks in advance!

[VHB]

I root for Elovaara, and he looked great today at weigh-in, being under 220 pounds.

It won´t be easy though, as Haapoja is a decent HW, however very much beatable.

Haapoja has looked better this year, but Elovaara at least had a greater potential as the fitter guy.

[Cruiser1]

I root for Elovaara, and he looked great today at weigh-in, being under 220 pounds.

It won´t be easy though, as Haapoja is a decent HW, however very much beatable.

Haapoja has looked better this year, but Elovaara at least had a greater potential as the fitter guy.

I love these matchups and I live in the US. Kind of crazy huh?

[VHB]

There should be more freaks like you!

I also follow lots of relatively unknown, but good boxers and their fights.

Dennis Shafikov is a real prospect. He will be fighting for european and perhaps even world titles in the coming years. He is seriously good, and you can count on me not being biased, since he ain´t Finnish.

I trust that Shafikov will either annihilate or beat Balbi by a wide UD.

A victory for Elovaara would make him 20-3 and possibly put him into the european rankings. His goal is to fight for the EBU or EU title, and that isn´t completely impossible, IF he beats Haapoja.

Haapoja had a competitive fight with Dennis Bakhtov, PABA champion who is ranked #13 in Europe. It was a good fight, until Haapoja´s ribs were broken and he lost by KO in the 10th. Elovaara´s biggest fight has been a lopsided UD 12 loss to Richel Hersisia a few years back. So these Finnish top dogs are decent fighters and could well become european contenders.

[Antsu]

Antsu, are you really basing this thing on Elovaara-Ziausys fight alone?

Nope. I have seen robbery’s in Oulu and Helsinki events too.
Let’s hope this evening’s fights are unbiased and more importantly entertaining.
I can hardly wait to get out of work and go to Helsinki. :happy

It was a difficult fight to score, since Elovaara was putting pressure and landing the harder shots, while Ziausys was faster, landed more but meaningless thuds and was constantly backpedaling. 57-57 draw was reasonable, but I gave the edge to Elovaara, 58-56. You are probably right, that the two judges favoring Elovaara exaggerated a bit... anyway, I think putting in some soft slaps and running away isn quite enough to steal a fight... or did you think Gevor was leading Abraham? Nooo...

I had it 58-56 to Ziausys and I would have understand a draw but those exaggerated scores were bullshit.


IMO we have one really good referee in Finland, Erkki Meronen. And Esa Lehtosaari is very good and unbiased when it comes to scoring. Lehtosaari was the one who saw Elovaara-Ziausys as a draw. He also scored Antman-Tulilyuk as a draw yesterday. About the other judges and refs in Finland, I don´t know much about them. But well, Meronen and Lehtosaari are the only ones right now with international reputation ...

Yep Lehtosaari scoring is usually pretty good. By the way. Meronen had Holyfield winning against Ibramigov in Finnish TV, so he can be pretty biased sometimes. :good

Dennis Shafikov is a real prospect. He will be fighting for european and perhaps even world titles in the coming years. He is seriously good, and you can count on me not being biased, since he ain´t Finnish.

He looks really promising and I too think he will be at least European title contender in coming years. :good

[Odo]

There should be more freaks like you!

I also follow lots of relatively unknown, but good boxers and their fights.

Dennis Shafikov is a real prospect. He will be fighting for european and perhaps even world titles in the coming years. He is seriously good, and you can count on me not being biased, since he ain´t Finnish.

I trust that Shafikov will either annihilate or beat Balbi by a wide UD.

A victory for Elovaara would make him 20-3 and possibly put him into the european rankings. His goal is to fight for the EBU or EU title, and that isn´t completely impossible, IF he beats Haapoja.

Haapoja had a competitive fight with Dennis Bakhtov, PABA champion who is ranked #13 in Europe. It was a good fight, until Haapoja´s ribs were broken and he lost by KO in the 10th. Elovaara´s biggest fight has been a lopsided UD 12 loss to Richel Hersisia a few years back. So these Finnish top dogs are decent fighters and could well become european contenders.

Saami Elovaara,eh? I remember him. Some years ago I watched one of his fights on eurosport.He was stopped by American journeyman Sedrick Fields-due to a cut.As far as I can remember Saami had been quite competitive up to the stoppage.

Didnt he win a split decision in one of his last fights against a Lithuanian journeyman who had been knocked out in round 2 or 3 of his encounter with rising cruiser weight talent Alexander Frenkel??

[GooGaBu]

Anyone here going to watch this fight event live in Finnland??

Would like to learn something about one of the undercard fights, Shafikov vs Raul Balbi.

A detailed report will be appreciated!

Thanks in advance!


Going to watch the games, as I will be photographing the event for some press. So, I might not be able to give a detailed account of the fights... but I will post a link to some photos from the evening....
Hope to get some up before midnight Finnish time... but will have to see if I need to do the 'After party' photos as well..

So.. hopefully I can get some report with links to photos up by Saturday morning. That way you'll all have time during the weekend to look at the photos.

As for who will win the main fight - I think Asikainen with a K.O in the 10th round ! :happy :happy

[Odo]

Going to watch the games, as I will be photographing the event for some press. So, I might not be able to give a detailed account of the fights... but I will post a link to some photos from the evening....
Hope to get some up before midnight Finnish time... but will have to see if I need to do the 'After party' photos as well..

So.. hopefully I can get some report with links to photos up by Saturday morning. That way you'll all have time during the weekend to look at the photos.

As for who will win the main fight - I think Asikainen with a K.O in the 10th round ! :happy :happy

Thanks in advance,mate! Have fun and enjoy the main event!!

[Steelhammer123]

Gevor TKO 7

[NBT]

So let's hear some excuses from the Finns. :yep

[VHB]

I got none.

Asikainen is a good fighter, but too limited in world class.

Sylvester was a good opponent for him.

Gevor was more difficult.

His chin isnt good enough to fight wars.

Gevor was counted once, and Asikainen had him backing and hurt in the 4th.

Amin has great strengths, but also bad weaknesses.

His punching power and counterpunch ability alone won´t do him favours in this level. They favoured him once in Germany, 2 years ago. But this doesn´t happen every day, especially when I think Gevor is a level above Sylvester.

[Sakura]

So let's hear some excuses from the Finns. :yep

No excuses..Asikainen is doing better than i never believe. Novadays you must be amateur medallist before you can expect to be good pro. Anyway,:hi: from Krabi

[MrMagic]

I am sure that Asikainen will simpy outclass at the end of the day knock out Khoren Gevor in their fight at TBA later this year. If this fight is held in Finland I really give the Armenian no chance. But if it will be fought in Germany (with corrupted referee) then dirty Gevor has some chances.

:lol:

[Hrak]

Im happy for Gevor, he deserved this win. Looks like Sturm backed out of the Abraham fight again, hopefully Gevor can get a crack at him.

[Serenata]

What to say now Toney? :D

[Ramon Rojo]

Congratulations to Gevor for his win.

Asikainen said he will retire if he loses this fight, so we propably will not hear from him again.

[NBT]

Well, did he mean it? Boxers talk a lot pre fight that they don't follow through with, he probably also said that he would beat Gevor? :yep He won't win a world title but that's no reason to retire, I wouldn't mind a 3rd meeting with Sylvester.

[Ramon Rojo]

Well, did he mean it? Boxers talk a lot pre fight that they don't follow through with, he probably also said that he would beat Gevor? :yep He won't win a world title but that's no reason to retire, I wouldn't mind a 3rd meeting with Sylvester.

I doubt that there's much interest for this.

Gevor fight was a make or break fight for Asikainen and he didn't make it.

[Leifhackman]

No Excuses here! In boxing you need to be able to handle the punches you take or you loose. No matter how big or good punches you manage to deliver, if you can´t handle the ones you take.

In my opinion what put Gevor ahead Asikainen in this fight was his left hand, especially when they were half clinched. Asikainen should have grabb around Gevor´s left with his right arm or hold around Gevor so he couldn´t work with his left hooks when they were skin to skin. Those were the most damaging punches Asikainen took. Another thing was that in my opinioin Asikainen´s hand speed wasn´t quite there neither he had any kind of "opening punch", jab or any kind of short sharp opening punch.

Asikainen was able to deliver few good punches and make Gevor´s knees wobble a bit but Gevor recovered from those in few seconds.

Some one was wondering about Asikainen´s future as a boxer. He was being interviewed this morning on finnish tv channel 4 and he and Mr. Mäki said they let time go a bit think about future decisions later on, propably next year.

[Antsu]

Asikainen should train some defense during chinches. It looked like he had no answer for those short punches, Gevor throw during clinches.

Actually it was during those clinches Asikainen took majority of damage.

Maybe Asikainen could rematch Sylvester for vacant EBU title when Gevor goes to title eliminator.

[Sakura]

Asikainen should train some defense during chinches. It looked like he had no answer for those short punches, Gevor throw during clinches.

Actually it was during those clinches Asikainen took majority of damage.

Maybe Asikainen could rematch Sylvester for vacant EBU title when Gevor goes to title eliminator.

Asikainen is out. He do good job if we think about his skills. Sorry..

[Antsu]

Asikainen is out. He do good job if we think about his skills. Sorry..

Could be true.

But I don’t see Asikainen getting another EBU title match impossibility.
I dont think he could beat Sylvester again thoe.
Well in any case he has lifted Finnish boxing in whole another level and he will always have my respects for that. :good

[Lewisbell]

How about Sylvester vs Gervor?

[VHB]

Who would Sylvester want that?

He will surely wait for another world title shot to materialize.

Asikainen - Sylvester III would probably be the best available EBU title fight, after Gevor vacates the belt to go after world titles.

I see no reason it couldn´t take place, IF Asikainen can still motivate himself and if Sylvester sees it as a necessary step. It would be a good fight, 50/50.

[Leifhackman]

Who would Sylvester want that?

He will surely wait for another world title shot to materialize.

Asikainen - Sylvester III would probably be the best available EBU title fight, after Gevor vacates the belt to go after world titles.

I see no reason it couldn´t take place, IF Asikainen can still motivate himself and if Sylvester sees it as a necessary step. It would be a good fight, 50/50.

And why would Sauerland put 2 of their own guys to bang each others heads? Unless they want to get rid of one of them. But I guess they both have their own fan bases and they both still can bring people to the events.

[VHB]

If was just referring to another shot at some world title. There´s no way that Sylvester-Abraham would happen, obviously.

Abraham´s next mandatory seems to be Gevor, while Sturm´s most likely one is Mundine...

[Toney]

Here is a very nice highlight video of the war:

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[Ramon Rojo]

Here is a very nice highlight video of the war:

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Looked like a great fight.

I like it how Gevor showed respect for Amin after it was over.