Wlad's next opponent

[Cruiser1]

Has anyone heard anything? To me it doesn't really matter if he fights somebody good or not since he has to wait to unify. Have there been any talks with potential opponents? Rahman and Holyfield's names have come up but loosely.

[RUSKULL]

I've heard that it may be Holyfield or Rahman but I've also heard it could be Sanders or Valuev.

It's slim pickin's unless he fights a beltholder apparently.

My preference in this order:

1. Holyfield
2. Sanders
3. Valuev
4. Rahman
5. Tua :yep

[thesandman]

I've heard that it may be Holyfield or Rahman but I've also heard it could be Sanders or Valuev.

It's slim pickin's unless he fights a beltholder apparently.

My preference in this order:

1. Holyfield
2. Sanders
3. Valuev
4. Rahman
5. Tua :yep

Jesus. All except Valuev would have been a good fight if the others could go back in time 10 years.

I would prefer to see Wald fight Valuev. I think he'd win, but fuck, there would be 2 big men in that ring....... and Valuev isn't the most talented, but I don't think the jab and grab would work against him.

Wald beats all of the above easily IMO. Valuev the toughest test.

Tua might go the distance if he purely tries to survive. Same for Holy.
Sanders would get stopped early, as would Rahman.

[emanuel_augustus]

Chagaev/S. Ibragimov winner has been mentioned. I think that's a good choice.

Rahman and/or Holy are a COMPLETE waste of time.

[RUSKULL]

Jesus. All except Valuev would have been a good fight if the others could go back in time 10 years.

I would prefer to see Wald fight Valuev. I think he'd win, but fuck, there would be 2 big men in that ring....... and Valuev isn't the most talented, but I don't think the jab and grab would work against him.

Wald beats all of the above easily IMO. Valuev the toughest test.

Tua might go the distance if he purely tries to survive. Same for Holy.
Sanders would get stopped early, as would Rahman.

Holy shit, we actually agree! :yikes On everything you wrote no less!

Valuev would be the biggest test of those simply because Wlad wouldn't enjoy the height & reach advantage he usually does against his opposition. Valuev also has an okay jab, although nowhere near the level of Wlad's, he'd have a reach advantage as well.

This matchup would also make history as the tallest & possibly the heaviest boxing match of all time.

I personally wouldn't blame Wladimir for fighting Holyfield instead since he's a name for your legacy & easily the best payday of any fighter listed.

[EpsilonAxis]

I highly doubt it will be Holyfield.

[thesandman]

Holy shit, we actually agree! :yikes On everything you wrote no less!

Valuev would be the biggest test of those simply because Wlad wouldn't enjoy the height & reach advantage he usually does against his opposition. Valuev also has an okay jab, although nowhere near the level of Wlad's, he'd have a reach advantage as well.

This matchup would also make history as the tallest & possibly the heaviest boxing match of all time.

I personally wouldn't blame Wladimir for fighting Holyfield instead since he's a name for your legacy & easily the best payday of any fighter listed.

:rofl:rofl

Yeah, it's probably a first!

I think Waldo is the best champ at the moment by some distance. I think the real problem he will have now, and in the future (in terms of legacy etc), is actually getting some competition.

Either because of the unwillingness for anyone to unify, or because of the general mediocre state of the heavys.

I'd like to see Valuev too. Holy, yeah, I could understand it $$ wise, but there's no way I could bring myself to watch it live. Holy IMO hasn't done anything to justify being anywhere near a title shot. I think Wald could really, really hurt him.

I'd like to see him fight James Toney. I'd love to see Wald batter that wanker from pillar to post.......

[RUSKULL]

I highly doubt it will be Holyfield.

Since Holyfield vs. Savarese was PPV, and Evander looked so good against big Lou, I think this fight may be made as a voluntary defense for the potential money & to have Holyfield's name on his resumé. I, for one, wouldn't blame Wlad for taking this fight.

[fatcity]

Wlad would hammer poor old Holy and retire him for good.On second thought ,I hope Holy does get the shot then.:good:tired

[RUSKULL]

I'd like to see him fight James Toney. I'd love to see Wald batter that wanker from pillar to post.......

Gotta agree with you there also, too bad Toney's suspended for cheating once again. :-( Some people never learn....................I mean shit, he beat Ruiz for a title only to lose it after testing positive for steriods :verysad

James is still a legend for what he's done at the lower weights & for even surviving the HW's as long as he did IMO.

[H .]

Wlad vs Valuev would be cool. I think Wlad vs Evander is a fight that no one really wants to happen, but everyone will watch.

[a.arthur.h]

I've heard that it may be Holyfield or Rahman but I've also heard it could be Sanders or Valuev.

It's slim pickin's unless he fights a beltholder apparently.

My preference in this order:

1. Holyfield
2. Sanders
3. Valuev
4. Rahman
5. Tua :yep
His brother is the only Klitschko who has any buisness fighting Rahman. And at the rate Tua is going if he is fighting in August he probably won't be fighting again until a bit into 2008 :-(. So Wlad probably wants a fight much sooner than Tua would ever be ready for (Assuming Tuaman would accept).

Sanders..people would really bash Wlad if he took him on at the moment. The only good thing would be avenging a loss. But lots will say if he wins he beat a washed up bum (just like the Brewster fight). He needs to fight a top 10 guy.

A fight with Valuev would be interesting..it would either be a complete hugfest, or an entertaining fight. Valuev really leans on fighters a lot, especially short ones who try to get inside (Barrett). It would be interesting to see him against a guy who isn't dwarfed by him for more than a few rounds(McCline). Not sure when Valuev's next fight is scheduled for though..I think he is scheduled to fight Jean-Francios Bergeron later this year :huh can't remember for sure.

I would not want to see Holyfield vs Wlad. I really would be worried for Evander taking shots like Wlad can throw. It would be a shame to see that fight take place in my mind.

[Dostoevsky]

I can't believe some of you are legitimately arguing for Wlad to fight Oldyfield.

That is a joke, and that fight would be a complete farce which would mean nothing. Wlad must have no sense of decency or even morals to accept a fighter so shot as Holyfield.

I would instantly lose respect for Wlad if he wanted to or even accepted a fight with Holyfield.

[thesandman]

I can't believe some of you are legitimately arguing for Wlad to fight Oldyfield.

That is a joke, and that fight would be acomplte farce which would be nothing. Wlad must have no sense of decency or even morals to accept a fighter so shot as Holyfield.

I would instantly lose respect for Wlad if he wanted to or even accepted a fight with Holyfield.

I'm not arguing FOR it, just saying I would understand him taking an easy payday (because it would be) if he can't get a fight with anyone else.

There are many other guys I'd rather see him fight.

IMO you don't earn a title shot by beating Bates and Savarese and Fres.

Holy is as legit a fight as Sanders IMO. both not at all, but would make money.

[Zakman]

Since Holyfield vs. Savarese was PPV, and Evander looked so good against big Lou, I think this fight may be made as a voluntary defense for the potential money & to have Holyfield's name on his resumé. I, for one, wouldn't blame Wlad for taking this fight.

Yeah, but Holyfield would be INSANE for taking it, when he could take a fight against a beltholder he might have a shot of beating, like Maskaev or Ibragimov.:yep

[Jose FM]

Holyfield would not last 5 rounds.

[Heavyrighthand]

I think after fighting Brewster coming off a loss, Wladimir's next opponent at least has to be coming off of a win.

As cool as it would be to see, Valuev losing his fight to Chagaev does not warrant a thrilling matchup against Wlad, who is supposed to be a champion who holds a title. Titleholders are not supposed to fight losers, especially not back to back. LOL



Rahman is not seen as a threat, Holyfield has not yet rebuilt his worthyness, yet, and Valuev was just beaten in his last fight.

Sanders or Virchis are about all I see as legit opponents out of who is available.

[theunderdog]

for chrissake don't let him fight holy. he's such a nice guy. let him him win a title from the other champs then retire. he'll get killed against wlad IMO

[barneyrub]

I've heard that it may be Holyfield or Rahman but I've also heard it could be Sanders or Valuev.

It's slim pickin's unless he fights a beltholder apparently.

My preference in this order:

1. Holyfield
2. Sanders
3. Valuev
4. Rahman
5. Tua :yepyou want a shot 45 year old seconded by a shot 41 year old, that says everything, of course its in keeping with a one eyed man and ray austin.

[barneyrub]

Since Holyfield vs. Savarese was PPV, and Evander looked so good against big Lou, I think this fight may be made as a voluntary defense for the potential money & to have Holyfield's name on his resumé. I, for one, wouldn't blame Wlad for taking this fight.since when was saverese any good in the first place?

[madpup]

you want a shot 45 year old seconded by a shot 41 year old, that says everything, of course its in keeping with a one eyed man and ray austin.

Who are you suggesting he fights?

[albaneze]

Yeah, but Holyfield would be INSANE for taking it, when he could take a fight against a beltholder he might have a shot of beating, like Maskaev or Ibragimov.:yep

I dont think Holyfield would do good against Ibragimov. ibragimov is in great shape lately. but Chagaev i beleive can be a serious threat to Wlad.

[ChrisPontius]

Holyfield would a be a good fight to wait for the winner of Sultan/Chagaev.
I'd rather see Holyfield retire, but i think a TKO loss to Wlad is the only way he'll retire.

A Sanders or Valuev fight would be interesting too. Or Liakhovic, many people thought he'd beat Wlad one year ago.

[0-1]

I personally don't class Valuev as exactly coming off a loss, as I scored the fight to him. Why can't he fight Valuev after Valuev knocks out some tomato can in quick time part way through training for Wlad?

[barneyrub]

Who are you suggesting he fights?Not someone over 40 who has been in semi retirement for 4 years after being brutalised by wlads brother, or a 45 year old who people ridicule Lewis`s win over when the guy was 36! What use is a win over Holyfield at this point?
After his last 2 opponents for his world title came in off of a draw and a loss, Austin and Brewster, id say it was time to fight someone in winning form. That at least should be a prerequesite to get a world title fight!

[whatfruit]

If Holy does fight Wlad his entrance music should be the Rocky Theme tune or "some where over the rainbow"

:rofl

[0-1]

How about "When I'm sixty-four"?

[madpup]

Not someone over 40 who has been in semi retirement for 4 years after being brutalised by wlads brother, or a 45 year old who people ridicule Lewis`s win over when the guy was 36! What use is a win over Holyfield at this point?
After his last 2 opponents for his world title came in off of a draw and a loss, Austin and Brewster, id say it was time to fight someone in winning form. That at least should be a prerequesite to get a world title fight!

I repeat: Who do you want him to fight? That means names!

[barneyrub]

I repeat: Who do you want him to fight? That means names!anyone coming off a win and who isnt injured or over 40 would be a start. He has had 2 nothing opponents in a row, its time to get serious. This is a world title he is supposed to be defending. There is a fantastic article on this sites news page you should read about this.

[madpup]

anyone coming off a win and who isnt injured or over 40 would be a start. He has had 2 nothing opponents in a row, its time to get serious. This is a world title he is supposed to be defending. There is a fantastic article on this sites news page you should read about this.

Are you retarted? How about a name?

[Stinky gloves]

The close future for Wlad isn't bright:

1. He cannot fight Chagaev/Ibragimov
2. He cannot fight Peter/Maskaev/Vitaly, McCall and Valuev are busy also
3. He already plumbed Brewster, Byrd, Brock
4. The good option would be get rematch to TOS but I don't think TOS deserve it right now,
same with Ruiz and Tua they need to show where they are now .
5. Rahman, Toney and Briggs, are too out of shape.
7. "Mc"Donald and Krasniqui are out forever.
6. No one new prospect deserve yet title shot at this time.

The few good names are left and available: Holyfield, Golota, McCall, Liakhovitch?



Did I forgot someone?

[Odo]

Wlad will murder the old geezer Hollyfield.At this point of his career he is no match for the undisputed nr.1 at heavy weight.
My guess is that Wlad will square off against Rahman who didnt look convincing at all in his last outing to a box ring.
My favourite match would be Virchis vs Wlad on Ukranian soil.
Kiev's central soccer stadium(capacity around 100,000) would be sold out within hours.
What's more Virchis is a threat to any present heavy due to his murderous firepower.
Virchis vs Wlad would probably be fun to watch as long as that fight lasts.
Wlad's compatriots would go beserk to get hold of a ticket for such a bout on Ukranian soil.

I for my part would surely prefer watching Wlad take on his very dangerous compatriot to watching Wlad fight that old geezer Hollyfield or that lame American Rahman.

[barneyrub]

Are you retarted? How about a name?Whether i come up with a name or not doesnt therefore qualify you to assert that Sanders or Holyfield deserve a world title shot. The point is that to even consider those 2 names is ridiculous. Perhaps Ali might be next in line after them! He ha shad 2 gimme fights to build his confidence, 3 would be ridicuous, well perhaps we could say he had 3, there was Brock after all!

[barneyrub]

Are you retarted? How about a name?What does "retarted" mean anyway? lol.

[Orang-Utan Jim]

Manny Steward likes Juan Carlos Gomez as next opponent. That would be interesting. Gomez is a slick southpaw with punch. A lot of people rate him after his loss vs. Diaz, but that was nothin but a fluke.

I think Klitschko-Gomez would be a relatively competetive fight, but i dont think Gomez is popular enough for HBO.

[madpup]

Whether i come up with a name or not doesnt therefore qualify you to assert that Sanders or Holyfield deserve a world title shot. The point is that to even consider those 2 names is ridiculous. Perhaps Ali might be next in line after them! He ha shad 2 gimme fights to build his confidence, 3 would be ridicuous, well perhaps we could say he had 3, there was Brock after all!

Of course they do not deserve a title shot. That was not my point. My point was that Wlad does not have a lot of choice and no matter who he fights, you will come out and critisise him like you always do.

Hence for that reason you refuse to even come up with a name of anyone who you think he should be fighting, so you can start bashing him again as soon as his opponent is announced.

[rushman]

1) Virchis
2) Valuev
3) Rahman
4) Briggs
5) Sanders

Those are the semi-realistic fights I would want to see in order.
A fight that wont happen but I would like is Wlad-Toney. Seeing Toney's fat ass hit the canvas over and over again would be awesome.
A fight that might happen but shouldn't is Wlad-Holyfield. I agree with everyone who would lose respect for Wlad if he agreed to take that fight. I wouldn't watch, as I expect Holyfield would be very badly injured, or possibly even killed. (Younger prime Holyfield is a diff story!)

[rushman]

Of course they do not deserve a title shot. That was not my point. My point was that Wlad does not have a lot of choice and no matter who he fights, you will come out and critisise him like you always do.

Hence for that reason you refuse to even come up with a name of anyone who you think he should be fighting, so you can start bashing him again as soon as his opponent is announced.

Agreed. It is easy to criticise Wlad for his fights, but unless there are alternatives (that you can name) then you shouldn't do so.

[Cabannaro]

Hopkins!
Hopkins!
Hopkins!

[Rock0052]

Gomez, Thompson, Holyfield, Sanders, Virchis, or Valuev would be about the best choices Wlad's got for a fall fight.

[swedeone]

Puzzling... :think


EVERYONE knows THE FIGHT we want to see is a rematch against Samuel Peter. Not that hard guys. It is BY FAR the most attractive matchup in the HW division. Wlad is on top of the world and Sam is an improving fighter. He was VERY green when they first met. This would be a terrific fight.

:good

[djrock247]

If Wlad Klitschko is indeed the identifying face of the heavyweight division, and it is apparent that he is, then he needs to be recognized on U.S. soil. THE ONLY WAY for that to happen is for him to beat Evander Holyfield. I'm not a proponent of this fight for multiple reasons, but it's without question the smartest fight for Wladimir Klitschko. Wlad endured and outjabbed Sam Peter. He clobbered Calvin Brock. He butchered Lamon Brewster. Guess what...NOBODY saw it! Ideally, I'd love to see Wlad KO Iron Mike Tyson but that will never happen. So why not Holyfield? Great career move for Wlad and I won't hold it against him for taking this fight.

[Heavyrighthand]

I personally don't class Valuev as exactly coming off a loss, as I scored the fight to him. Why can't he fight Valuev after Valuev knocks out some tomato can in quick time part way through training for Wlad?

I agree, it was not a real decisive thrashing that Valuev took at the hands of Chagaev, but he did get beaten. Even Valuev freely admitted he lost.

I think you guys are too willing to see Wlad fight another fighter who is coming off a loss. He just fought Brewster off of a loss, and should not fight someone else who was just beaten, directly after fighting Brewster.


There has to be some sort of thrill and uncertainly involved in a champion's fights, and taking on another losing opponent, right after the Brewster thrashing, is not creating much hype, at all. Wlad fighting Holyfield would probably be seen as a joke, at least until Holyfield redeems himself by beating someone better than Big Lou.


Virchis would be a good choice, as would a Sanders rematch. :good

[RUSKULL]

you want a shot 45 year old seconded by a shot 41 year old, that says everything, of course its in keeping with a one eyed man and ray austin.

Ray Austin was his mandatory defense retardo, & Brewster held a win over him so it was for revenge & it made a nice pocket full of money for Lamon I'm sure.

This is prizefighting whether you like it or not and that's why every fighter calls out Oscar since he brings the most money. The Heavyweights all call out Wladimir since he brings the most money. Get with the program.

Wlad has limited options since Chagaev & Ibragimov are already scheduled to fight each other so a big money fight against Holy or a revenge match against Sanders are his current best VOLUNTARY options.

I would much rather see him unify the belts but the WBC is in limbo thanks to Rappaport & King playing chicken............................

[Cruiser1]

Beating up an old Holyfield wouldn't exactly endear Wlad to American fight fans.

He might as well go after Valuev or Rahman.

[RUSKULL]

Holyfield would a be a good fight to wait for the winner of Sultan/Chagaev.
I'd rather see Holyfield retire, but i think a TKO loss to Wlad is the only way he'll retire.

A Sanders or Valuev fight would be interesting too. Or Liakhovic, many people thought he'd beat Wlad one year ago.

I forgot about Sergei but lately he's missing in action. A win over Sergei right now does very little for Wlad's legacy or pocket.

[RUSKULL]

Beating up an old Holyfield wouldn't exactly endear Wlad to American fight fans.

He might as well go after Valuev or Rahman.

Of those 2 choices I'd pick Valuev just for the freakshow factor.

[RUSKULL]

anyone coming off a win and who isnt injured or over 40 would be a start. He has had 2 nothing opponents in a row, its time to get serious. This is a world title he is supposed to be defending. There is a fantastic article on this sites news page you should read about this.

Did you write that rubbish on the front page? :yep

Amazing how Austin is shit since Wlad did away with him so easily but it's also easily forgotton that he had a draw against current WBO champ Sultan.

Same story with undefeated Calvin Brock.

You guys are pathetic..........................:-(

Did you ever think that maybe it's not that they're all so bad but maybe it's that Wlad is that good? Never entered your mind did it :yep

[kaygb]

Did you write that rubbish on the front page? :yep

Amazing how Austin is shit since Wlad did away with him so easily but it's also easily forgotton that he had a draw against current WBO champ Sultan.

Same story with undefeated Calvin Brock.

You guys are pathetic..........................:-(

Did you ever think that maybe it's not that they're all so bad but maybe it's that Wlad is that good? Never entered your mind did it :yep


Evidently Ruskull, you think that todays crop of heavys is very good and Wlad is just "one of a kind" heavy that shines greatness. That's fine, not knocking it bu I disagree. I yhink the crop of heavys today are pathetic. If you were to grade the heavys today compared to the heavys from the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's what would they be going on an a, b, c, etc., etc., grading system. It seems to me that a lot of you grade Wlad so high is that you think the heavys today are great. Is that true? And do you think they are great because they are bigger? Or are they really just superior to the earlier fighters?

[barneyrub]

Ray Austin was his mandatory defense retardo, & Brewster held a win over him so it was for revenge & it made a nice pocket full of money for Lamon I'm sure.

This is prizefighting whether you like it or not and that's why every fighter calls out Oscar since he brings the most money. The Heavyweights all call out Wladimir since he brings the most money. Get with the program.

Wlad has limited options since Chagaev & Ibragimov are already scheduled to fight each other so a big money fight against Holy or a revenge match against Sanders are his current best VOLUNTARY options.

I would much rather see him unify the belts but the WBC is in limbo thanks to Rappaport & King playing chicken............................Yes I know Austin was the Mandatory, but everyone knows it was a joke of a ranking by a joke of a sanctioning body. The champ needs to do better than then fighting a guy once that has been beaten since he last fought him and is hindered by a detatched retina. That doesnt bring redemption for a loss years earlier. If he wants to wipe that loss away he will have to beat the chagaev Ibragamov winner becaus ethe lineage of the Brewster victory over Wlad will be held by the winner of that fight. Until Wlad proves he is better than the man that beat the man who beat the man etc who beat him then that loss still affects his present status.

[barneyrub]

Did you write that rubbish on the front page? :yep

Amazing how Austin is shit since Wlad did away with him so easily but it's also easily forgotton that he had a draw against current WBO champ Sultan.

Same story with undefeated Calvin Brock.

You guys are pathetic..........................:-(

Did you ever think that maybe it's not that they're all so bad but maybe it's that Wlad is that good? Never entered your mind did it :yepI think you will find that everybody thought it was a joke that Austin was ranked for a title fight before the fight took place.

[barneyrub]

I forgot about Sergei but lately he's missing in action. A win over Sergei right now does very little for Wlad's legacy or pocket.A win over Brewster or Austin didnt either. A win over Sanders today would do nothing for his legacy or bring redemption for that loss.

[barneyrub]

Of course they do not deserve a title shot. That was not my point. My point was that Wlad does not have a lot of choice and no matter who he fights, you will come out and critisise him like you always do.

Hence for that reason you refuse to even come up with a name of anyone who you think he should be fighting, so you can start bashing him again as soon as his opponent is announced.If he is going to defend the world title he shouldnt be doing so against hopeless opposition just because no one else is available, if he wants to fight them it shouldnt be sanctioned as a title fight, it brings the title into disrepute, a shot should be earned.

[Kamus]

If he is going to defend the world title he shouldnt be doing so against hopeless opposition just because no one else is available, if he wants to fight them it shouldnt be sanctioned as a title fight, it brings the title into disrepute, a shot should be earned.

Let me get this clear, you don't think there is anyone that has earned the right to fight for Wladimir's title, so instead of fighting the best available competition you would rather have him not fight at all.
Than when Wlad doesn't fight for awhile I'm going to read an article on how he's bringing the title into disrepute because he's not fighting.
Great logic there no matter what Vlad does you can criticize him.

[papaspank]

Wlad's trainer Emanuel Steward has been quoted that "Holyfield has fought himself into contention for a title shot". Follow the money, and the money is for him to fight Holyfield. Don't count the "old man" out to quick. I don't know if any of you Holyfield dissers watched his last fight against Savarese, but he looked pretty dam good, specially compared to the rest of that list of crap contenders for Wlad. Listen Holyfields too smart and crafty to go in there and get himself hurt. I remember before Holyfield fought Tyson the first time and the odds opened up at 25 to 1, and everyone said Holyfield would get killed. Well what happened? I think Wlad's a little over-rated. Me thinks Holyfield will show you.

[barneyrub]

Wlad's trainer Emanuel Steward has been quoted that "Holyfield has fought himself into contention for a title shot". Follow the money, and the money is for him to fight Holyfield. Don't count the "old man" out to quick. I don't know if any of you Holyfield dissers watched his last fight against Savarese, but he looked pretty dam good, specially compared to the rest of that list of crap contenders for Wlad. Listen Holyfields too smart and crafty to go in there and get himself hurt. I remember before Holyfield fought Tyson the first time and the odds opened up at 25 to 1, and everyone said Holyfield could get killed. Well what happened? I think Wlad's a little over-rated. Me thinks Holyfield will show you.He was fighting saverese lol, its amazing, its probably the same people saying Holyfield deserves a shot that say Lewis only fought Holyfield because he was old [36] and his win doesnt mean anything.
What respect will beating a 45 year old Holyfield bring for Wlad?

[barneyrub]

Let me get this clear, you don't think there is anyone that has earned the right to fight for Wladimir's title, so instead of fighting the best available competition you would rather have him not fight at all.
Than when Wlad doesn't fight for awhile I'm going to read an article on how he's bringing the title into disrepute because he's not fighting.
Great logic there no matter what Vlad does you can criticize him.He is in charge of his own promotional company so he could have sought out a fight with one of the guys but he didnt and let them tie up dates for fights elsewhere.

[Kamus]

He is in charge of his own promotional company so he could have sought out a fight with one of the guys but he didnt and let them tie up dates for fights elsewhere.

So he's responsible for the Maskaev Peter mess?
Chagaev Ibragimov was signed before the Brewster fight, I guess you wanted him to take time off from training and negotiate for a unification fight with one of them.
I wonder why you place unreasonable demands on Vlad, I would understand if there was some one he was ducking but there isn't.
Your position comes from being a simple hater, and I'm glad your "article" appears in an electronic medium because otherwise it would be a waste of paper.

[Stinky gloves]

So he's responsible for the Maskaev Peter mess?

Of course he is, he should give Peter rematch and leave Maskaev for his brother.

[2smart4u]

Evidently Ruskull, you think that todays crop of heavys is very good and Wlad is just "one of a kind" heavy that shines greatness. That's fine, not knocking it bu I disagree. I yhink the crop of heavys today are pathetic. If you were to grade the heavys today compared to the heavys from the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's what would they be going on an a, b, c, etc., etc., grading system. It seems to me that a lot of you grade Wlad so high is that you think the heavys today are great. Is that true? And do you think they are great because they are bigger? Or are they really just superior to the earlier fighters?:lol: maybe you should refresh your memory over at YOUTUBE ! the glorifacation of the past is always bizzar ! :deal Ill refresh your memory if you like by reminding you of the KIDS HOLMS had to face or the one lung dude ALI had his signature win against or the fact that LEOn and BERBICK were champs ect ect !:hi:

[tommygun1624]

How about Roy Bones Jr. since he did say he wanted to fight Wlad or had some unfinished business with him in that article someone posted recently.

[ChrisPontius]

I forgot about Sergei but lately he's missing in action. A win over Sergei right now does very little for Wlad's legacy or pocket.

Agreed about Sergei, but let's be honest, which potential fight does make much for Wlad's legacy?
Maybe Sanders for the sake of revenge, but he's far past it.

Virchis would be a good fight although Virchis is not very well known in the states; many people remember Sergei from his great fight with Brewster.

I think Sergei would be a good "stay active" fight. Not a legacy maker but a good win, just like Lewis vs Morrison for instance. Good win for Lewis.

[RUSKULL]

If Wlad Klitschko is indeed the identifying face of the heavyweight division, and it is apparent that he is, then he needs to be recognized on U.S. soil. THE ONLY WAY for that to happen is for him to beat Evander Holyfield. I'm not a proponent of this fight for multiple reasons, but it's without question the smartest fight for Wladimir Klitschko. Wlad endured and outjabbed Sam Peter. He clobbered Calvin Brock. He butchered Lamon Brewster. Guess what...NOBODY saw it! Ideally, I'd love to see Wlad KO Iron Mike Tyson but that will never happen. So why not Holyfield? Great career move for Wlad and I won't hold it against him for taking this fight.

My point exactly, well that and Holyfield brings the most loot to the table of the available opponents.

[barneyrub]

So he's responsible for the Maskaev Peter mess?
Chagaev Ibragimov was signed before the Brewster fight, I guess you wanted him to take time off from training and negotiate for a unification fight with one of them.
I wonder why you place unreasonable demands on Vlad, I would understand if there was some one he was ducking but there isn't.
Your position comes from being a simple hater, and I'm glad your "article" appears in an electronic medium because otherwise it would be a waste of paper.Fighting Holyfield or Sanders will bring no prestige, it will make him look like slayer of the old and infirm, how low has the world title sank if this is who qualifies, why not get Ali and give him a shot too!

[RUSKULL]

Evidently Ruskull, you think that todays crop of heavys is very good and Wlad is just "one of a kind" heavy that shines greatness. That's fine, not knocking it bu I disagree. I yhink the crop of heavys today are pathetic. If you were to grade the heavys today compared to the heavys from the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's what would they be going on an a, b, c, etc., etc., grading system. It seems to me that a lot of you grade Wlad so high is that you think the heavys today are great. Is that true? And do you think they are great because they are bigger? Or are they really just superior to the earlier fighters?

Apparently you've forgotten Holmes & Tyson's reigns................

Bonecrusher Smith is no better than Jameel McCline, in fact I'd take McCline by KO.

Another stupid front page article goes on about how there aren't enough 1st round KO's anymore. Well did it occur to the author or you that maybe Joe Louis had many of his 1st round KO's against "bum of the month" type opponents? He's still a favorite of mine anyway.......Tyson on the other hand KO'd plenty of fighters who none of us can even name because they all sucked and never went on to do anything!

What about Holmes? Randall "Tex" Cobb sucked and you know it. Carl "The Truth" Williams was another TOS without as much power if you ask me. I grew up watching all these fights live and I know what I'm talking about.

What would all of you say if Wlad was to challenge Randall Cobb or Peter McNeeley? :huh In their primes of course :yep as if either had a "prime".

[RUSKULL]

Yes I know Austin was the Mandatory, but everyone knows it was a joke of a ranking by a joke of a sanctioning body. The champ needs to do better than then fighting a guy once that has been beaten since he last fought him and is hindered by a detatched retina. That doesnt bring redemption for a loss years earlier. If he wants to wipe that loss away he will have to beat the chagaev Ibragamov winner becaus ethe lineage of the Brewster victory over Wlad will be held by the winner of that fight. Until Wlad proves he is better than the man that beat the man who beat the man etc who beat him then that loss still affects his present status.

I agree with all of that post except the bullshit about how Brewster fought with a detached retina. The injury was healed and that was confirmed by several doctors and Lamon himself. The only thing that injury affected was Brewster's mentality and psyche. He seemed to be afraid to get hit a bit more.

Brewster said it best after the fight when he said Wlad was the better man on that night - period. Let's face it, most of us expected Wlad to beat the shit outta Brew the first time so it's not exactly a stretch by any means.

[RUSKULL]

How about Roy Bones Jr. since he did say he wanted to fight Wlad or had some unfinished business with him in that article someone posted recently.

I'd give Holyfield a much better chance against Wlad than Roy Jones Jr. If punches from Tarver & Johnson can lay out RJJ then what would The Wladinator do to him? Scary prospect right there............

[RUSKULL]

A win over Brewster or Austin didnt either. A win over Sanders today would do nothing for his legacy or bring redemption for that loss.

Plenty of posters give Lewis full props for beating McCall when he was in a crack induced haze, crying like a baby & refusing to fight back or even defend himself.

In fact I've heard many of you say stuff like "Lewis avenged his only 2 defeats" and "Lennox beat every man he faced".................

Holmes gets credit for defeating a very old Ali and Tyson gets credit for defeating a very old Holmes don't they?

What about Rocky's KO of very old Louis?

I rest my case. :deal :bart

[thesandman]

Plenty of posters give Lewis full props for beating McCall when he was in a crack induced haze, crying like a baby & refusing to fight back or even defend himself.

In fact I've heard many of you say stuff like "Lewis avenged his only 2 defeats" and "Lennox beat every man he faced".................

Holmes gets credit for defeating a very old Ali and Tyson gets credit for defeating a very old Holmes don't they?

What about Rocky's KO of very old Louis?

I rest my case. :deal :bart

Now you're starting to reach a bit here.... ;)

There are people on here that say Lewis's win over Holyfield is diminished because Holy was old and past his best. He was what, 36 and held the WBA and IBF belts at the time.

NOW, he's many years older, and his best win in the last few years is a win over Fres, followed by a win over 41 yr old Savarese.

I agree, Holy would bring the most money to the table. And maybe he could do a George Foreman - THAT'S why people would watch. But I don't really see it adding anything to Walds legacy.

[RUSKULL]

Now you're starting to reach a bit here.... ;)

There are people on here that say Lewis's win over Holyfield is diminished because Holy was old and past his best. He was what, 36 and held the WBA and IBF belts at the time.

NOW, he's many years older, and his best win in the last few years is a win over Fres, followed by a win over 41 yr old Savarese.

I agree, Holy would bring the most money to the table. And maybe he could do a George Foreman - THAT'S why people would watch. But I don't really see it adding anything to Walds legacy.

"Mr. Sandman, lend me your ear..........."

Seriously, everytime I see your posting name that fuckin' song is in my head for the next 20 minutes or so! :twisted:

Anyway, Lewis still gets credit for his win over Holy as well as his win over Tyson, although the Tyson purists say Iron Mike would've killed Lewis before prison and would've killed Holyfield before Robin Givens and shit like that. :-(

[thesandman]

"Mr. Sandman, lend me your ear..........."

Seriously, everytime I see your posting name that fuckin' song is in my head for the next 20 minutes or so! :twisted:

Anyway, Lewis still gets credit for his win over Holy as well as his win over Tyson, although the Tyson purists say Iron Mike would've killed Lewis before prison and would've killed Holyfield before Robin Givens and shit like that. :-(

:lol::lol:

Yeah, but every fighters fan base can be a bit crazy at times.... moreso than the fighters themselves to be honest.

Valuev is the best fight out there IF you take out all of the other guys involved in title fights. Yeah, he's coming off a loss, but it wasn't a bad one, and was his first career loss. It wasn't a brutal KO loss like Brewsters was. Also he has some kind of profile in both the US and Russia/Germany. A fight between those 2 in either Germany OR the States would be pretty big.

He could fight a Tony Thomson etc, but that's not really different to a Brock or Austin fight.

Valuev at least poses some new tests for Wald. Not being the bigger man, having a smaller reach, being the shorter, lighter man in clinches etc.


Guys I'd PERSONALLY like to see him fight are Fatman Toney, Shannon Briggs or Rahman. I would really, really like to see Waldo crack them all around the ring. But that's more of a personal taste, than a real challenge.

One that would be pretty funny would be Golota. THAT would be a funny fight, waiting for another Golota meltdown.....

[Mr "T"]

:yikes How about Roy Bones Jr. since he did say he wanted to fight Wlad or had some unfinished business with him in that article someone posted recently.:yikes