Riddick Bowe vs Sonny Liston

[ChrisPontius]

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They have about equal chins i'd say, heart goes to Bowe easily (inside the ring, that is), power to Liston, size to Bowe (5 inch height advantage and roughly 25 pounds of weight, reach to Liston but Bowe is much taller), speed to Bowe, defence to Liston and stamina to Bowe.


How do you see this one unfolding?

[Holmes' Jab]

A Sonny fest today (and outside as well- in these parts) :good

On to the fight: I think Liston stops him late on. Bowe's leaky defensive would likely cost him at some stage against most of the all-time elite HW punchers (Tyson, Liston, Lewis, Louis and Foreman etc).

Bowe would have his moments and certainly wouldn't be outclassed, however Liston has the measure of him skill wise and although we'll never fully know, ATG punching power could well have been Bowe's kryptonite. :bbb

[crippet]

Liston would stop Bowe

[red cobra]

Liston would crumple Bowe in 2 or 3, much like he did Williams. Not saying that Bowe and Williams are very similar as fighters, but the result would be the same.

[tommygun711]

Liston by TKO.
great brawl.

[choklab]

I think its quite close. both guys made names beating up on smaller guys.

did liston beat a big heavyweight as good as bowe? valdes and bethea were a lower level but simular in size but shop worn and losing by the time liston got them. summerlin was big enough and later on was a fair enough fighter. williams and dejohn never made the grade.

even though he had the weight advantage bowe still did beat a great unbeaten fighter in a tough fight. Liston still hit way harder than golota and herbie hide though..and had beter stamina.

liston maybe has a slight edge here.

maybe liston would find bowe easy to hit once bowe slips into a lazy mode but bowe would not quit, hed come right back at liston. remember neither is beating up on a 190 heavyweight here. I think liston would find bowe a handful.

If bowe had more solid wins in his actual career I could easily make quite a case for him agaisnt liston though.. since he didnt Im sitting on the fence. Its a 50-50 pickem, no easy win for either.

[Seamus]

Liston would beat him down and out in 7 or 8. Different class of fighters here.

[HENDO]

I think Bowe's size would actually work against him. Sonny would keep him on the outside with that telephone pole jab and 84 inch reach.

When Bowe came inside, even there Sonny would have something for him, but was also strong enough to clinch and hold on to avoid anything big that Bowe had in return.

To me Liston is one of the best H2H heavies in modern history.

[ticar]

sonny beats him all day.he would box riddick ears off from outside,and he would give him a beatdown on the inside.

[techks]

Liston TKO5 Bowe

Holyfield had a solid jab and was outboxing Bowe for parts of the second fight. Liston wouldn't be as much on his toes but he could find Bowe with the jab and it's not smart to go to war with Liston while having leaky defense. I see Bowe trying to go for the kill and paying for it. Liston was just the better boxer-type and I think it would show in this fantasy matchup.

[Holmes' Jab]

Liston mid-rounds TKO.

[MRBILL]

IMO, prime Bowe '91-'92 and early 1993 waxes Liston from 1959 to 1961 in a time machine, but on the whole, I think Liston was the better fighter with longevity then what Bowe's career provided...

Christ, Bowe was really only a pro for 7 lousy years before being all used up... Liston fought for a solid 15 years as a pro...

Bowe's comeback fights of 2004 and onward haven't meant jackshit on a paper plate....

Liston's 1970 KO over Wepner holds merit...

MR.BILL:bbb:deal:hat

[MarcianoIsABum]

Sonny Liston would win by knockout because you know he beat the 160 pound Floyd Patterson. Yep beating a glass chin middleweight if you are a older fighter means alot. Liston was amazing at beating people his size, Wait the only guy his size was Cleveland Williams and he was never anything special.

Bowe by Ko

[joebeadg]

That's a great matchup, as good as bowe could be, I'd go with Liston, old school heart, old school work ethic. Bowe would come out strong, only to realize he's in way over his head, sonny was brutal. I think sonnys jab would open bowe up for rights and combos for as long as it lasted

[HENDO]

Sonny Liston would win by knockout because you know he beat the 160 pound Floyd Patterson. Yep beating a glass chin middleweight if you are a older fighter means alot. Liston was amazing at beating people his size, Wait the only guy his size was Cleveland Williams and he was never anything special.

Bowe by Ko

Wow, you really don't know shit about boxing. Should have known that right away judging by your handle.

[Unforgiven]

Liston would beat him down and out in 7 or 8. Different class of fighters here.

Different class ? Maybe.

Which class is Holyfield in ?
And Patterson ?

[DonBoxer]

Liston in a close UD jabbing him on the way in , fighting him when he gets in.

[red cobra]

Wow, you really don't know shit about boxing. Should have known that right away judging by your handle.
The thing to do is for everyone to totally ignore this troll...don't feed the trolls and they'll go away.

[D.T]

The Bowe of the first Holyfield fight would win a UD.

[RockyJim]

Liston by KO...

[Mr Butt]

liston by stoppage

[crippet]

The Bowe of the first Holyfield fight would win a UD.

Do you think Bert Sugar thinks that?

[D.T]

do you think your mom's a whore?

[janitor]

If I were Bowes manager, then Liston is the last fighter in the world I would put him in the ring with!

[crippet]

do you think your mom's a whore?

Probably your best thought out and rationalized contribution to this boxing forum.
Bert Sugar would be proud. Keep improving.

[Bummy Davis]

I never thought much of Bowe, I mean Big boy, I like him as a light-heavy when he won the golden gloves in NY but he just got lazier and Lazier and bigger and bigger and got hit an awful lot. Bowe could take a shot but he got hit with too many of them and against Sonny this may be a big problem....Bowe is not without his moments but I think I go with Sonny by a late stop or a RSC by 10

[MarcianoIsABum]

Lol you know I do know everything about boxing based on my screen name. Rocky Marciano was great fighter only if you are white. And if you think Sonny Liston was great because he beat Floyd Patterson then you clearly do not know a thing about boxing. Bowe was around 6'5 230 in his prime and Liston was 6'0 210. Liston's best win was over the 160 pound Patterson. Bowe has wins over steriod addicted 210 pound Holyfield. Much more impressive.

As I said Liston gets knocked on his butt and quits like he always did when he was stood up too.

[Liechhardt]

Liston ko 5 Bowe.

[Kalasinn]

Liston would crumple Bowe in 2 or 3, much like he did Williams. Not saying that Bowe and Williams are very similar as fighters, but the result would be the same.

:rofl:lol::rofl:lol::patsch

Cleveland Williams was fragile & had a glass jaw, while Bowe was durable like a tank & had a solid chin, plus he's in another dimension for H2H ability.

Aren't you the same silly guy who picked young Foreman to KO Holyfield early, because of how he disposed of the fragile Norton who freezes from big punches? :lol:

[Seamus]

Different class ? Maybe.

Which class is Holyfield in ?
And Patterson ?

Sometimes one fighter just has another's number. Remember, no one considered Holyfield that good back when Bowe came up. He was considered an over-achiever a place-holder. Holyfield at his best was very game and an action fighter. However, he was also inconsistent, almost getting taken out versus Cooper, getting beat by a very mediocre heavy in Moorer...

[tommygun711]

:rofl:lol::rofl:lol::patsch

Cleveland Williams was fragile & had a glass jaw, while Bowe was durable like a tank & had a solid chin, plus he's in another dimension for H2H ability.

Well, he didn't have a glass jaw. He only got knocked out by good punchers, or when he was past his best.

Williams had great power and different intangibles compared to Bowe, while I disagree with Red Cobra.

Bowe would likely give a harder fight then Williams did- Although I still favor Liston.

[Kalasinn]

Well, he didn't have a glass jaw. He only got knocked out by good punchers, or when he was past his best.

Williams had great power and different intangibles compared to Bowe, while I disagree with Red Cobra.

Bowe would likely give a harder fight then Williams did- Although I still favor Liston.

Sorry i just wanted to demonstrate the hugely significant difference in chins & durability.

While Cleveland was likely green (despite being 31-1), he was KO'd in 3 rounds by the 176lb Satterfield, with 2 knockdowns.

I also think Bowe may have had more power than Williams, & this would've been evident if he'd faced his opposition...