End of Mexican Legends? Or is Juan Diaz Mexicos Saviour?

[PowerPuncher]

Are we coming to an end of the Mexican legends? We had Salvidor Sanchez, Chavez, Delahoya (Amerixican), Morales, Barrera, Castillo but MExican boxing seems to have been going through a rough patch of late with the top dogs falling off.

Morales was destroyed, Barreras career is at an end, Margarito has lost and there seems to be no path back to the top. Larios has lost 3 on the bounce against top fighters.

Juan Marquez is still P4P but how much longer can he go on at 33? Soto is a very good prospect but hes in the wrong division because he just doesn't look good enough to beat Pacman, Guzman, Marquez or Barrera

The 2 shining lights seem to be Vasquez and Rafael Marquez BUT they are 32 and 29 respectfully, seemingly in the twighlights of their careers.

Chavez Jr, Margarito, Julio Diaz are never going to be ATG fighters.

Or am I wrong is another Mexican legend around the corner? IS Juan Diaz the saviour of MExican boxing? I'm not sure he has the look of an ATG. If he is he needs to stay away from the 140lb division - I can't see him coping. Or maybe Areola will be the first Mexican HW Champ.....

Comiserations to FreddyWak, lets hope we don't lose our favourate Mexican from ESB :hi:

[Cabannaro]

Or am I wrong is another Mexican legend around the corner? IS Juan Diaz the saviour of MExican boxing? I'm not sure he has the look of an ATG. If he is he needs to stay away from the 140lb division - I can't see him coping.
Juan has a good chance to become ATG...

Accomplishments: titles unification

Quality of opposition: Freitas is good scalp, Casamayor is still possible (I don't believe Morales will give him a fight, so easy to get him for good money), Pac can move up finally.

Performance: incredible, nice to see. Especially if he gets Katsidis into the ring.

[Jinx]

Juan Diaz is a Mexican-AMERICAN from Texas...he ain't Mexico's saviour...

[tillman78]

Diaz is a product of great management. He will eventually run into a young bull and stop fighting old bums and neverwases

[box4ever]

Juan Diaz is a Mexican-AMERICAN from Texas...he ain't Mexico's saviour...

Actually I think he was born in Mexico.

[King Dan]

JC Chavez Jr. might become a force.

[WestSideBoxer]

Mexican Boxing is in a transition, a new generation is coming

Right now they have 11 World Champs

:bbb

[brooklyn1550]

I think the 3 candidates for the next Mexican great are Juan Diaz, Cristian Mijares, and Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. But it's too early to say for sure.

[Oscar de la Roa]

what about linares, a good prospect

[WestSideBoxer]

what about linares, a good prospect
He's venezuelan.

But don't worry Mexico has 11 World Champs right now, and good prospects coming up.

I wish Argentina had that many fighters and Champs.

But i suppose is like Mexicans wishing to be like Argentina in Soccer, LOL!

[brooklyn1550]

what about linares, a good prospect

I think he's from Venezuela, but one hell of a young fighter nonetheless:yep

[brooklyn1550]

I had such high hopes for Francisco Bojado

You're not alone there

[WestSideBoxer]

No, no, and no. :nono I have never seen Abner Mares fight, but I have heard he might turn into something later on down the road. I had such high hopes for Francisco Bojado, but he turned out to be a talented, lazy fatass. :fire

Yeah,Abner Mares is better than Chavez Jr. and one of the best prospects, he even was Amateur World Junior Champ, but was robbed in the Olympics.

[WestSideBoxer]

You're not alone there

He's fighting Forbes in the Barrios card, we will see what he has.

A lose will be very hard for him.

[Slothrop]

There will be more. JC jr is knocking on the door.

[geppy]

"Apocalypse" is the best word to describe the present state of Mexican boxing.

I believe the Mayan's predicted that in 2007 all the top Mexican boxers would be destroyed. The Mayans were that good.

[WestSideBoxer]

they also predicted that there were only going to be "1" good 1-dimensional fighter from the philipines that would create many nuthuggers

He's not Pinoy :smoke

He always roots for the Eastern Euros

[WestSideBoxer]

"Apocalypse" is the best word to describe the present state of Mexican boxing.

I believe the Mayan's predicted that in 2007 all the top Mexican boxers would be destroyed. The Mayans were that good.

11 World Champs, Baby :yep

[geppy]

Boxing is becoming far more global. Asia, Cuba (many real good defectors recently) South America, even some Europeans are starting to make an impact 140 and under. Mexico will never have the strangle hold over those weight classes as it use to for so many years.Mexico will still produce some very good fighters, but 140 and below isnt a one horse town so to speak any more, dominated by Mexicans, who 75 % of the time fight other Mexicans. I really dont hate Mexican fighters, but I am for the globalization of boxing as a world wide sport. As opposed to all Middleweight and above fighters being only American and all below Mexican.

[WestSideBoxer]

Boxing is becoming far more global. Asia, Cuba (many real good defectors recently) South America, even some Europeans are starting to make an impact 140 and under. Mexico will never have the strangle hold over those weight classes as it use to for so many years.Mexico will still produce some very good fighters, but 140 and below isnt a one horse town so to speak any more, dominated by Mexicans, who 75 % of the time fight other Mexicans. I really dont hate Mexican fighters, but I am for the globalization of boxing as a world wide sport. As opposed to all Middleweight and above fighters being only American and all below Mexican.

That's good to hear Geppy :good

[psychopath]

What ever happened to the proposed Diaz/Casamayor fight?

Anybody?

[Goose]

Marquez brothers, Vazquez,....they are not that old
Christian Mijares is in his mid 20's,
Ponce de Leon is young as well and has alot more exciting fights left in his tank.

I think that there are plenty and more will come.

[WestSideBoxer]

What about Marquez brothers, Vazquez, Christian Mijares is in his mid 20's,
Ponce de Leon is young as well and has alot more exciting fights left in his tank.

I think that there are plenty and more will come.


Mijares will be a champ for a long time, Rafael Marquez will beat Vazquez (sorry Goose:D), and then Caballero and then go for the Featherweight Champs (like he said in one of his last interviews)

But i want Bautista to beat Ponce De Leon, we need more Philipinos in Boxing.

Pacman

Donaire

Z Gorres

And now Bautista could be champ and is exciting to watch (also Ponce De Leon isn't that good).


AJ Banal is a good prospect

[psychopath]

End of Mexican Legends? Or is Juan Diaz Mexicos Saviour?

Yeah maybe the end of the "old Mexican" legends MAB, Morales, Castillo, etc etc but don't worry, fighting in the Mexican's blood so a new crop of legends will come along. :yep

[Goose]

Mijares will be a champ for a long time, Rafael Marquez will beat Vazquez (sorry Goose:D), and then Caballero and then go for the Featherweight Champs (like he said in one of his last interviews)

But i want Bautista to beat Ponce De Leon, we need more Philipinos in Boxing.

Pacman

Donaire

Z Gorres

And now Bautista could be champ and is exciting to watch (also Ponce De Leon isn't that good).


AJ Banal is a good prospect
I wanna add Jhonny Gonzales and Martin Castillo to the list

Ponce de Leon is good enough to make for exciting fights...and he will keep on beating competition until he meets a good boxer, and then still he has a a punchers chance.

and of course Vazques will beat up Marquez for what its worth in the rematch :bbb

[WestSideBoxer]

I wanna add Jhonny Gonzales and Martin Castillo to the list

Ponce de Leon is good enough to make for exciting fights...and he will keep on beating competition until he meets a good boxer, and then still he has a a punchers chance.

and of course Vazques will beat up Marquez for what its worth in the rematch :bbb

Hey that could be good :think, a TRILOGY! :happy

[theunderdog]

mexico is doing fine. there may not be a champ as well-known as jcc or dlh but there are many young guns out there who have some fight in them. the marquez brothers and vasquez, even mijares are going to be here for a a long time, well maybe except for jmm, he's getting old too.

[stillafan]

LOL, there have been mesican legengs for the longest time...as soon as the current legends retire, there will be a bunch more down the road..

[Jason997]

Diaz is as American as apple pie. Mexico will continue to produce good fighters but Juan is ours.

- Jason

[PacDbest]

Barrera & Morales are already locked for ATG. Castillo didn't make it. Marquez Bros will make it. Diaz will reign for a while, will end if he fights Pacman. Chavez Jr. will be Champ, ATG?? we'll see!!! On the Prospect side, I only see Victor Ortiz to have the Potential to be Great.

Potential Filipino Greats following Pac will be Bautista, AJ Banal & N. Donaire.

[retriever]

Brandon Rios:D

[rabmag]

Barrera & Morales are already locked for ATG. Castillo didn't make it. Marquez Bros will make it. Diaz will reign for a while, will end if he fights Pacman. Chavez Jr. will be Champ, ATG?? we'll see!!! On the Prospect side, I only see Victor Ortiz to have the Potential to be Great.

Potential Filipino Greats following Pac will be Bautista, AJ Banal & N. Donaire.

Ortiz still has hope :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

[causality]

Barrera & Morales are already locked for ATG. Castillo didn't make it. Marquez Bros will make it. Diaz will reign for a while, will end if he fights Pacman. Chavez Jr. will be Champ, ATG?? we'll see!!! On the Prospect side, I only see Victor Ortiz to have the Potential to be Great.

Potential Filipino Greats following Pac will be Bautista, AJ Banal & N. Donaire.

Pacdbest got everything wrong here :lol::lol::lol:. except Pac of course

[retriever]

Pacdbest got everything wrong here :lol::lol::lol:. except Pac of course

Donaire can still make it..;)

[igor_otsky]

JCC Jr will be the next great mexican fighter, hopefully.

[davebenoit]

Are we coming to an end of the Mexican legends? We had Salvidor Sanchez, Chavez, Delahoya (Amerixican), Morales, Barrera, Castillo but MExican boxing seems to have been going through a rough patch of late with the top dogs falling off.

Morales was destroyed, Barreras career is at an end, Margarito has lost and there seems to be no path back to the top. Larios has lost 3 on the bounce against top fighters.

Juan Marquez is still P4P but how much longer can he go on at 33? Soto is a very good prospect but hes in the wrong division because he just doesn't look good enough to beat Pacman, Guzman, Marquez or Barrera

The 2 shining lights seem to be Vasquez and Rafael Marquez BUT they are 32 and 29 respectfully, seemingly in the twighlights of their careers.

Chavez Jr, Margarito, Julio Diaz are never going to be ATG fighters.

Or am I wrong is another Mexican legend around the corner? IS Juan Diaz the saviour of MExican boxing? I'm not sure he has the look of an ATG. If he is he needs to stay away from the 140lb division - I can't see him coping. Or maybe Areola will be the first Mexican HW Champ.....

Comiserations to FreddyWak, lets hope we don't lose our favourate Mexican from ESB :hi:Juan Diaz is on the way out. Marquez is already 37 and can't go up to 140 without losing his speed. Pac will kill him over 135.

[davebenoit]

Saul Alvarez is a good prospect.
He has hot wife, too.

[OPBF]

He got almost everything right except for Bautista and Banal.

Ortiz STILL has a chance to be great after losing to Maidana. It's not like Maidana's a bum.

Juan Diaz did reign for a while. Chavez Jr is still young and might be champion next year against Cotto.

[hmi]

There will be more. JC jr is knocking on the door.
Amazingly, until now Jr is still knocking on the door. I think Jose Benavides is a very good prospect.

[Hatesrats]

One thing you will NEVER have to worry about is champions coming from either Mexico or PR.
(Worry about your country producing champs)

[Marlboro]

Don't forget Zorro

[PanchoVilla]

JCC Jr will be the next great mexican fighter, hopefully.

I dont think he has the tools and potential to reach the level of mexican ATGs.. just me tho

[PanchoVilla]

Don't forget Zorro

Zorro is past his prime. Machete got tools...

[AP3RE2]

Saviour...Juan Diaz...hell no.

Saul Alvarez
Fernando Montiel
Jorge Solis
Giovanni Segura
Alfredo Angulo
Brandon Rios
Victor Ortiz
Abner Mares
Jose Benavidez Jr

maybe...
maybe...

[waldoesj]

juan diaz??? what are you guys smoking? Canelo is the only one i see having an ATG future

[elchivito]

Juan Diaz is Mexican American, not Mexican. Mexican are Saul Alvarez, Julio Cesar Chavez Jr, Alfonso Lopez, Abner Mares. Mexican Americans are Brandon Rios, Jose Benavidez, James Delarosa, Jesse Vargas. Like saying Joshua Clottey is African American.

[PowerPuncher]

Juan Diaz is on the way out. Marquez is already 37 and can't go up to 140 without losing his speed. Pac will kill him over 135.

This is a 3year post and Juan Diaz certainly had me fooled back then. I remember at the time some picking him over Mayweather at 135lbs

[Aztecas]

Are we coming to an end of the Mexican legends? We had Salvidor Sanchez, Chavez, Delahoya (Amerixican), Morales, Barrera, Castillo but MExican boxing seems to have been going through a rough patch of late with the top dogs falling off.

Morales was destroyed, Barreras career is at an end, Margarito has lost and there seems to be no path back to the top. Larios has lost 3 on the bounce against top fighters.

Juan Marquez is still P4P but how much longer can he go on at 33? Soto is a very good prospect but hes in the wrong division because he just doesn't look good enough to beat Pacman, Guzman, Marquez or Barrera

The 2 shining lights seem to be Vasquez and Rafael Marquez BUT they are 32 and 29 respectfully, seemingly in the twighlights of their careers.

Chavez Jr, Margarito, Julio Diaz are never going to be ATG fighters.

Or am I wrong is another Mexican legend around the corner? IS Juan Diaz the saviour of MExican boxing? I'm not sure he has the look of an ATG. If he is he needs to stay away from the 140lb division - I can't see him coping. Or maybe Areola will be the first Mexican HW Champ.....

Comiserations to FreddyWak, lets hope we don't lose our favourate Mexican from ESB :hi:
Mexicos' Humberto Soto is the best fighter on the planet.
Soto has beaten Pac, Barrera, Marquez, Robert Guerrero, Valero, all by Default.
They all chickened-out and avoided Soto.

But the reason that Mexico doesn;t have a big name champion is becasue Affirmative Action is being given to boxers like Pac, Floyd, etc.

Politics kept Floyd safe away from Margarito.
Politics kspt Pac safe away from Humberto Soto.
Politics helped Mosley get away and cheat with EPO Steroids in his win over margarito.
etc.

[naldo marshal]

JCC JR , i think!

[naldo marshal]

Jcc-cotto seems good

[papolamuerte]

LMAO @ Aztecas....Humberto Soto HAHAHAHA.....

He sucks as much as YOU suck dicks haha....

Que clase cabron y que Humberto Soto haha....Piche mojado!!!

[Zopilote]

Saul Alvarez, Abner Mares, Miguel Vazquez, Miguel Angel "Mikey" Garcia, Alonso Lopez...

Guys to look out for!! :good

[Dustaine]

JCC JR , i think!

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[omiyourhomie]

One thing you will NEVER have to worry about is champions coming from either Mexico or PR.
(Worry about your country producing champs)

:deal

[omiyourhomie]

Mexican Boxing is in a transition, a new generation is coming

Right now they have 11 World Champs

:bbb



somehow people seem to overlook this fact :huh

they don't know that Mexico is on top as far as number of world champs :bbb

[Aztecas]

LMAO @ Aztecas....Humberto Soto HAHAHAHA.....

He sucks as much as YOU suck dicks haha....

Que clase cabron y que Humberto Soto haha....Piche mojado!!!
Soto scared Puerto rico's roman Martinez into not fighting him, just like he scared Pac, Linares, valero and so many others into not fighting him.

Soto is a 3-time world champion in 3 different weight classes.

How many can do that??
Has there ever been a puerto rican 3 division champion??:lol:

and as far as the term "mojado",
If you knew Mexican history, you would know that Mexicans are the true legit landowners here in N. America.
Everyone else tresspassed onto Mexican territory in the 1840's, to steal Mexico's land

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and billions of dollars of Gold (ala The Gold Rush), so that the US later got rich, of Mexico's resources and supports a lazy minded-hypocrite island (puerto rico).

[Boom_Boom]

This is a 3year post and Juan Diaz certainly had me fooled back then. I remember at the time some picking him over Mayweather at 135lbs

Back then some peeps were calling him another Duran because he looked unbeatable at lightweight.

[omiyourhomie]

Soto scared Puerto rico's roman Martinez into not fighting him, just like he scared Pac, Linares, valero and so many others into not fighting him.

Soto is a 3-time world champion in 3 different weight classes.

How many can do that??
Has there ever been a puerto rican 3 division champion??:lol:

and as far as the term "mojado",
If you knew Mexican history, you would know that Mexicans are the true legit landowners here in N. America.
Everyone else tresspassed onto Mexican territory in the 1840's, to steal Mexico's land

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and billions of dollars of Gold (ala The Gold Rush), so that the US later got rich, of Mexico's resources and supports a lazy minded-hypocrite island (puerto rico).

that's actually a very good question.

has there been?? :huh

and i'm not just pokin fun at the ricans i'm actually curious this time