Williams,Margarito and Mosley Are The Best Welterweights.

[Sug3]

De la hoya and mosley are still very competitive,but mosley has been more active and proved he still has his ability and great stamina,but de la hoya still proved 1 thing and that is he gasses out after 6 rounds
.Imagaine if de la hoya fought a fighter like margarito or williams,especially at welterweight,i think williams and margarito are the best,because there both relentless on how they attack with there styles.

Williams is a slick southpaw who can hit u from all angles and has endless stamina along with a solid chin,now that i seen them both fight,i know they could beat any of the top welter's.Mayweather,mosley,de la hoya or cotto dont want nothing to do with williams or margarito,because they would be forced to use there legs every minute of every round along with stepping up there punch output.

Cotto has fought 2 jr welterweights in his last match and that's judah,urkal and when cotto steps up faces a strong welterweight like cintron,mosley,margarito,williams or even clottey i bet money cotto will lose,because they wont fold like judah.

The only guy's i see beating mayweather at welterweight is williams,maybe clottey,mosley,still margarito because mayweather couldn't fight the same pace as paul williams and floyd is not a southpaw nor doe's he throw over a hundred punches a round,for all that alone i see margarito not respecting floyd and pressuring him all night long.

Williams showed against margarito what floyd,oscar and mosley didn't wanna experience this stage in there career's against margarito and that's the ability to dig down deep and fight 12 hard full rounds.

The way to beat margarito is to outwork and outfight him at times,floyd's 1-2 and pitty pat punches wouldn't be enough for margarito and it could possibly end up looking like the clottey fight,where floyd dominates early,then margarito comes on strong after 6 rounds and floyd complains about his hands and possibly quits late in the fight.

Alot of people didn't realize margarito showed some very good defense in the fight,even with all the punches williams was throwing and that shocked me most,because i thought margarito would just be target practice.

Here's what i think will happen if any of the top welterweights faced williams,margarito and Mosley.

Williams vs Mosley-Williams by ud
Williams vs Cotto-Williams by ud or late tko
Williams vs Cintron-Williams by ud
Williams vs Clottey-Williams by ud
Williams vs Mayweather-Williams by ud
Williams vs Judah-Williams by ko or tko in any round

Margarito vs Mosley-Mosley by sd
Margarito vs Cotto-Margarito by 10th round tko
Margarito vs Cintron-Margarito by tko again
Margarito vs Mayweather-Margarito by tko within 9-12
Margarito vs Judah-Margarito by ko or tko in any round

Mosley vs Cintron-Mosley by ud
Mosley vs Mayweather-Mosley by ud
Mosley vs Judah-Mosley by tko or ko within 7-10 rounds
Mosley vs Clottey-Mosley by ud


I give mosley a chance against margarito,because mosley has the experience to dig down deep and fight when all else fail's,that's why i think mayweather know's if he fight's margarito he would have to dig down deep and fight and that's why he never wanted the challenge.

Mayweather is coming off a great win over de la hoya and cotto is coming off a good win over judah,but neither de la hoya or judah have half the determination,stamina or relentless pressure that williams or margarito have.

[Stinky gloves]

They are right after Baldomir!!!

Only Baldomir has win over top 2 Walters (Judah and Gatti) and goes the distance with PBF:smoke

[Pimp C]

De la hoya and mosley are still very competitive,but mosley has been more active and proved he still has his ability and great stamina,but de la hoya still proved 1 thing and that is he gasses out after 6 rounds
.Imagaine if de la hoya fought a fighter like margarito or williams,especially at welterweight,i think williams and margarito are the best,because there both relentless on how they attack with there styles.

Williams is a slick southpaw who can hit u from all angles and has endless stamina along with a solid chin,now that i seen them both fight,i know they could beat any of the top welter's.Mayweather,mosley,de la hoya or cotto dont want nothing to do with williams or margarito,because they would be forced to use there legs every minute of every round along with stepping up there punch output.

Cotto has fought 2 jr welterweights in his last match and that's judah,urkal and when cotto steps up faces a strong welterweight like cintron,mosley,margarito,williams or even clottey i bet money cotto will lose,because they wont fold like judah.

The only guy's i see beating mayweather at welterweight is williams,maybe clottey,mosley,still margarito because mayweather couldn't fight the same pace as paul williams and floyd is not a southpaw nor doe's he throw over a hundred punches a round,for all that alone i see margarito not respecting floyd and pressuring him all night long.

Williams showed against margarito what floyd,oscar and mosley didn't wanna experience this stage in there career's against margarito and that's the ability to dig down deep and fight 12 hard full rounds.

The way to beat margarito is to outwork and outfight him at times,floyd's 1-2 and pitty pat punches wouldn't be enough for margarito and it could possibly end up looking like the clottey fight,where floyd dominates early,then margarito comes on strong after 6 rounds and floyd complains about his hands and possibly quits late in the fight.

Alot of people didn't realize margarito showed some very good defense in the fight,even with all the punches williams was throwing and that shocked me most,because i thought margarito would just be target practice.

Here's what i think will happen if any of the top welterweights faced williams,margarito and Mosley.

Williams vs Mosley-Williams by ud
Williams vs Cotto-Williams by ud or late tko
Williams vs Cintron-Williams by ud
Williams vs Clottey-Williams by ud
Williams vs Mayweather-Williams by ud
Williams vs Judah-Williams by ko or tko in any round

Margarito vs Mosley-Mosley by sd
Margarito vs Cotto-Margarito by 10th round tko
Margarito vs Cintron-Margarito by tko again
Margarito vs Mayweather-Margarito by tko within 9-12
Margarito vs Judah-Margarito by ko or tko in any round

Mosley vs Cintron-Mosley by ud
Mosley vs Mayweather-Mosley by ud
Mosley vs Judah-Mosley by tko or ko within 7-10 rounds
Mosley vs Clottey-Mosley by ud


I give mosley a chance against margarito,because mosley has the experience to dig down deep and fight when all else fail's,that's why i think mayweather know's if he fight's margarito he would have to dig down deep and fight and that's why he never wanted the challenge.

Mayweather is coming off a great win over de la hoya and cotto is coming off a good win over judah,but neither de la hoya or judah have half the determination,stamina or relentless pressure that williams or margarito have.
You don't know shit about boxing and your prediction of an Oscar KO over PBF proves it. So let me school your dumbass. The only way Margo is effective is he must have two things 1. he must fight someone who will stand in front of him and 2. he must fight someone who can't take punishment and has a bad chin. If he faces someone with movement, has good speed and can take a punch his limited boxing skills won't get him a win. Toughness and determination will only get you so far and against the elite like PBF who would counter punch and befuddled him to death. Margo will always come up short against the best because they can exploit the flaws in his game.:deal
Another point you said Margo would stop PBF but you also said that Oscar would as well. What you fail to realize is that if the harder punching and better boxer in Hoya couldn't do it then the limited Fraudarito doesn't have a chance. Learn the sport before making such ridiculous claims like with this thread. Margo isn't a threat to anyone in the top five at WW and they would all be favored to beat him.:hi:

[Pimp C]

Floyds opponent's are OLD.

or FRESH OFF OF BEATINGS,,,

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bye loser
And Margo never has or never will beat an elite fighter. PBF is already and ATG whether you chose to accept it is irrelevant. He's achived more in his career than Fraudarito could do in a 1000 lifetimes...deal with it Margosexual.:hi:

[Caper]

De la hoya and mosley are still very competitive,but mosley has been more active and proved he still has his ability and great stamina,but de la hoya still proved 1 thing and that is he gasses out after 6 rounds
.Imagaine if de la hoya fought a fighter like margarito or williams,especially at welterweight,i think williams and margarito are the best,because there both relentless on how they attack with there styles.

Williams is a slick southpaw who can hit u from all angles and has endless stamina along with a solid chin,now that i seen them both fight,i know they could beat any of the top welter's.Mayweather,mosley,de la hoya or cotto dont want nothing to do with williams or margarito,because they would be forced to use there legs every minute of every round along with stepping up there punch output.

Cotto has fought 2 jr welterweights in his last match and that's judah,urkal and when cotto steps up faces a strong welterweight like cintron,mosley,margarito,williams or even clottey i bet money cotto will lose,because they wont fold like judah.

The only guy's i see beating mayweather at welterweight is williams,maybe clottey,mosley,still margarito because mayweather couldn't fight the same pace as paul williams and floyd is not a southpaw nor doe's he throw over a hundred punches a round,for all that alone i see margarito not respecting floyd and pressuring him all night long.

Williams showed against margarito what floyd,oscar and mosley didn't wanna experience this stage in there career's against margarito and that's the ability to dig down deep and fight 12 hard full rounds.

The way to beat margarito is to outwork and outfight him at times,floyd's 1-2 and pitty pat punches wouldn't be enough for margarito and it could possibly end up looking like the clottey fight,where floyd dominates early,then margarito comes on strong after 6 rounds and floyd complains about his hands and possibly quits late in the fight.

Alot of people didn't realize margarito showed some very good defense in the fight,even with all the punches williams was throwing and that shocked me most,because i thought margarito would just be target practice.

Here's what i think will happen if any of the top welterweights faced williams,margarito and Mosley.

Williams vs Mosley-Williams by ud
Williams vs Cotto-Williams by ud or late tko
Williams vs Cintron-Williams by ud
Williams vs Clottey-Williams by ud
Williams vs Mayweather-Williams by ud
Williams vs Judah-Williams by ko or tko in any round

Margarito vs Mosley-Mosley by sd
Margarito vs Cotto-Margarito by 10th round tko
Margarito vs Cintron-Margarito by tko again
Margarito vs Mayweather-Margarito by tko within 9-12
Margarito vs Judah-Margarito by ko or tko in any round

Mosley vs Cintron-Mosley by ud
Mosley vs Mayweather-Mosley by ud
Mosley vs Judah-Mosley by tko or ko within 7-10 rounds
Mosley vs Clottey-Mosley by ud


I give mosley a chance against margarito,because mosley has the experience to dig down deep and fight when all else fail's,that's why i think mayweather know's if he fight's margarito he would have to dig down deep and fight and that's why he never wanted the challenge.

Mayweather is coming off a great win over de la hoya and cotto is coming off a good win over judah,but neither de la hoya or judah have half the determination,stamina or relentless pressure that williams or margarito have.

Hmmm I never thought I could actually disagree with your entire post, fortunately I think I only find about 80% of your post to be pure rubbish...the rest is your respected opinion. I must say you probably have one of the biggest woody's for Williams and it seems Cotto would need to beat up Jesus Christ in order to gain at least a smidge of respect from you. :smoke

[Sug3]

It's ok if mayweather fans dont wanna really come to reality that floyd has never beat a fighter in his prime since who know's,but the question i ask is why did floyd turn down winky when winky accepted his challenge.Atleast mosley took on the tough challenges,while floyd sits back,but i tell u what in-activity will cost floyd,because once floyd loses his legs he could end up like roy jones,floyd is 30 now and ask roy after 30 u cant rely on your skills alone,u gotta learn how to fight and u can never teach mayweather that.

[Pimp C]

How? By fighting Brussles, who did not have a belt, and then refusing to fight Margarito for $8,000,000.00. That makes a lot sense. :nut :patsch
No asshole by beating Chico, Castillo 2x, G. Hernandez, Oscar and Judah. He's undefeated P4P #1 and won 3 world championships in 3 weight classes and a title holder in 2 others but your irrational ass so blined by hate you can't see greatness when it slaps you in your fucking face.:-(

[Pimp C]

It's ok if mayweather fans dont wanna really come to reality that floyd has never beat a fighter in his prime since who know's,but the question i ask is why did floyd turn down winky when winky accepted his challenge.Atleast mosley took on the tough challenges,while floyd sits back,but i tell u what in-activity will cost floyd,because once floyd loses his legs he could end up like roy jones,floyd is 30 now and ask roy after 30 u cant rely on your skills alone,u gotta learn how to fight and u can never teach mayweather that.
Please stop it your counter argumenet was as pathetic as your original post. PBF already offered to fight Mosley last year but he turned him down to get his tooth fixed and go on a family vacation. Winky was at 154 about to go 160 you can't duck someone in a higher weightclass.:deal Your comaparision with PBF-Roy is wrong as well. First Roy got by with being the best athelete in the ring for years. He had terrible fundamentals and it caught up with him as soon as he lost a step. PBF while he relies on athletic ability is a much more fundamentally sound fighter than Jones and will be great after he losses a step because of this.

[Pimp C]

you're lame.

Remember this?

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:hey
Carlito is a bitch his boy lost I don't even know why he continues to post here.

[Sug3]

Please stop it your counter argumenet was as pathetic as your original post. PBF already offered to fight Mosley last year but he turned him down to get his tooth fixed and go on a family vacation. Winky was at 154 about to go 160 you can't duck someone in a higher weightclass.:deal Your comaparision with PBF-Roy is wrong as well. First Roy got by with being the best athelete in the ring for years. He had terrible fundamentals and it caught up with him as soon as he lost a step. PBF while he relies on athletic ability is a much more fundamentally sound fighter than Jones and will be great after he losses a step because of this.

Why is floyd soo chicken to fight mosley now:deal ,mosley said that he was spending time with his fam and taking a vacation,this is now,stop bringing up the past and tell mayweather to grow some ballz and fight mosley,now not last year.

[Relentless]

cotto would kick all of their asses (he'll have trouble with mosley and maybe margarito)

[Relentless]

Carlito is a bitch his boy lost I don't even know why he continues to post here.

why didn't you stop posting when your boy castillo got his ribs broken?

[Pimp C]

Why is floyd soo chicken to fight mosley now:deal ,mosley said that he was spending time with his fam and taking a vacation,this is now,stop bringing up the past and tell mayweather to grow some ballz and fight mosley,now not last year.
You won't me to actually believe that the same PBF who already offered to fight Mosley last year but was turned down and now all of a sudden Mosley is a year older and another year removed from his prime, PBF is now scared of him?:patsch Stop with the madness kid, if PBF doesn't fight Hatton he will fight the winner of Cotto-Mosley.

[Relentless]

it was like the winky incident, pbf calls out winky and when winky calls his bluff he shuts the fuck up, he calls out mosley, and now mosley wants it and he is scared.

[Caper]

Asshole? Wow! But what would anyone expect from a low-class, welfare-loving ghetto rat like yourself. Chico was having problems with making weight, and was facing prison time (you know, where you go visit your mom every weekend).

Castillo won the first fight, period (however, according to you, if the black boxer isn't flat on his back and out cold, he wins a UD). Gayweather ran to victory in the second Castillo fight.

G. Hernandez? :patsch F**K, are all your 7,000+ posts as stupid as that one? Good fighter? Somewhat, but you do remember he quit against DLH, right, Mr. Expert? All-time great? Hell no!

ODLH? You mean the businessman who only fought for the money, and who had been previously beaten by Mosley x2, Strum, and was felled by a slapping punch to the ribs?

Judah? :patsch x infinity. The one who got slapped around by an Argentinian journeyman? And isn't he the one who was doing the drunken sailor dance after getting hammered by ONE shot?

Geez, you really know your boxing. Keep up the good work, retard. Maybe one day and after a gazillion posts, you will have one SOLID post. :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

Leave my hood ratz out of this arguement :bart

[Jose FM]

When DLH is fighting fighter that wear down his stamina then yes he slows in the later rounds, but beware any fighter at WW that tries to slug it out with Oscar, cause DLH can put punches together better than anyone!

[Pimp C]

Asshole? Wow! But what would anyone expect from a low-class, welfare-loving ghetto rat like yourself. Chico was having problems with making weight, and was facing prison time (you know, where you go visit your mom every weekend).

Castillo won the first fight, period (however, according to you, if the black boxer isn't flat on his back and out cold, he wins a UD). Gayweather ran to victory in the second Castillo fight.

G. Hernandez? :patsch F**K, are all your 7,000+ posts as stupid as that one? Good fighter? Somewhat, but you do remember he quit against DLH, right, Mr. Expert? All-time great? Hell no!

ODLH? You mean the businessman who only fought for the money, and who had been previously beaten by Mosley x2, Strum, and was felled by a slapping punch to the ribs?

Judah? :patsch x infinity. The one who got slapped around by an Argentinian journeyman? And isn't he the one who was doing the drunken sailor dance after getting hammered by ONE shot?

Geez, you really know your boxing. Keep up the good work, retard. Maybe one day and after a gazillion posts, you will have one SOLID post. :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Typical spin but what else would I expect form a guy with the name Thunderpower!:lol:
Chico was the favorite going into the fight dumbass and was suppose to KO PBF so quit with the excuses PBF put on a clinic.

Castillo while it was a close fight and could have gone either way PBF got the win and unlike some so after lose fights the offered Castillo an immediate rematch and outboxed him to a win. You call it runninr takes away any credibility you might have had. The name of the game is to hit and not get hit and PBF excuted that perfectly in the rematch dumbass.:hi:

Genaro Hernadez was is a HOF fighter and a respected champion PBF beat him badly in only his 18th fight to win a belt. Quit hating a quality win on anyone's resume.:hi:

Oscar a great win for PBF's legacy in his first fight at1 54 he took on Oscar who most here said would KO him and gave him a boxing lesson.

Zab another good win for PBF the former Champ at 147 and before the fight was signed people here at ESB thought Zab had the best chance to give PBF hell and it was one of the most wanted fights in boxing. I find it funny that people say Zab was a garbage win for PBF but it was a great win for Cotto and Zoo.:-(

Man you have a lot to learn and clearly aren't rational when discussing boxing. PBF is an ATG and there's no ammount of spining that will change that fact. Have a nice day Thunderboy!!!, Thundercat or whatever the fuck your name is.:lol: :rofl :lol: :hi:

[Jose FM]

"Ive seen Zab Judah, and he aint no Oscar De La Hoya" -Larry Merchant.

[Jose FM]

Castillo while it was a close fight and could have gone either way PBF got the win and unlike some so after lose fights the offered Castillo an immediate rematch and outboxed him to a win. You call it runninr takes away any credibility you might have had. The name of the game is to hit and not get hit and PBF excuted that perfectly in the rematch dumbass.:hi:
Props to Mayweather giving him the rematch, but it wasnt close Castillo beat his ass fair and square and they robbed him.:hi:

Genaro Hernadez was is a HOF fighter and a respected champion PBF beat him badly in only his 18th fight to win a belt. Quit hating a quality win on anyone's resume.:hi:
Oscar beat his ass worse, Mosley owned him at sparring sessions , your boy took whatever was left of him.:good

Oscar a great win for PBF's legacy in his first fight at1 54 he took on Oscar who most here said would KO him and gave him a boxing lesson.
If i recall correctly most people on this site said that Mayweather was "gonna tax that ass" and give him a beating ala Gatti, when that didnt happen then it switch to "well at least he got the win":thumbsup

Zab another good win for PBF the former Champ at 147 and before the fight was signed people here at ESB thought Zab had the best chance to give PBF hell and it was one of the most wanted fights in boxing. I find it funny that people say Zab was a garbage win for PBF but it was a great win for Cotto and Zoo.:-(
Garbage win for Mayweather, Zabs has always had potential, most of which never materialized!:hey

Man you have a lot to learn and clearly aren't rational when discussing boxing. PBF is an ATG and there's no ammount of spining that will change that fact. Have a nice day Thunderboy!!!, Thundercat or whatever the fuck your name is.:lol: :rofl :lol: :hi:
And your nutthugging continues...:asskiss

[Pimp C]

Props to Mayweather giving him the rematch, but it wasnt close Castillo beat his ass fair and square and they robbed him.:hi:


Oscar beat his ass worse, Mosley owned him at sparring sessions , your boy took whatever was left of him.:good


If i recall correctly most people on this site said that Mayweather was "gonna tax that ass" and give him a beating ala Gatti, when that didnt happen then it switch to "well at least he got the win":thumbsup


Garbage win for Mayweather, Zabs has always had potential, most of which never materialized!:hey


And your nutthugging continues...:asskiss
Your post is full of holes and spin that I've already addressed.:-( PBf is already an ATG you don't accomplish what he has done in his career and not be. Hell lesser fighters are considered ATGs including your boy Oscar De La Hoya if he is then PBF is.:deal

[Jose FM]

Your post is full of holes and spin that I've already addressed.:-( PBf is already an ATG you don't accomplish what he has done in his career and not be. Hell lesser fighters are considered ATGs including your boy Oscar De La Hoya if he is then PBF is.:deal
Hehe, aight, i think we've establish our differences of opinions. Just thought id bother you.:bush

[C Money]

The top WW's at the moment are PBF, SSM, Cotto, and Williams. :good


Margarito by virtue of his loss to Williams is no longer in that group. He needs to reassert himself with a victory over another top fighter or two to get back in that mix.

Zab Judah would make a viable opponent and the winner could begin to make a case for a shot at one of the top guy's or a match/rematch with Cintron.

[PBF P4P #1]

How? By fighting Brussles, who did not have a belt, and then refusing to fight Margarito for $8,000,000.00. That makes a lot sense. :nut :patsch

Id refuse $8,000,000 for $26,000,000 and an ATG wouldn't you?

[PBF P4P #1]

Props to Mayweather giving him the rematch, but it wasnt close Castillo beat his ass fair and square and they robbed him.:hi:

115-113 for Mayweather was the correct scoring the first time around...go ahead re-watch it


Oscar beat his ass worse, Mosley owned him at sparring sessions , your boy took whatever was left of him.:good

Kinda like DLH did with Chavez...twice.


If i recall correctly most people on this site said that Mayweather was "gonna tax that ass" and give him a beating ala Gatti, when that didnt happen then it switch to "well at least he got the win":thumbsup

PBF may never beat anyone like he did Gatti again...Either way he won decisively.


Garbage win for Mayweather, Zabs has always had potential, most of which never materialized!:hey

And it is now PBF's fault that Zab never reached his potential? :rofl

[Pimp C]

Typical spin? You think you're on Fox News, idiot? ThunderPower is a lot better than letting the world know that you are the "pimp'ee" not the "pimp'er." Now everyone knows where you stand in that relationship, Mrs. Rupaul.

Chico was the favorite? :patsch Chico was widely known as being one fighter who had a good chance to beat Gayweather, but was not the favorite. Talk about spinning.:yep

I just love how you say, "it was a close fight, it could have gone either way." Practice what you preach, nuthugger. Castillo won, period. Give credit where it is due. Gayweather won the second fight.

G. Hernandez a HOF'er? :patsch What great did he beat? I'll say it one more time so your underdeveloped brain can grasp it. He was a g-o-o-d boxer, but that is as far as he will get.

You wrote, "Oscar a great win for PBF's legacy in his first fight at1 54 he took on Oscar who most here said would KO him and gave him a boxing lesson."

So you are swayed by what everyone else thinks? So why are you not swayed by the fact that "most" everyone believes they saw Castillo BEAT Gayweather. Fact is, if anyone worth a dime looks up DLH's past they will see that DLH lost to Mosley IN-HIS-PRIME and in a more impressive fashion. They will also see that DLH LOST to a jabber aka Felix Strum. Finally, he lost to a fighter who threw a slapping punch to DLH's rib. Now that is NOT what great fighters are made of, but you can keep pretending that his BORING win over a businessman means something if it helps you sleep at night.

Zab...let me make it simple. Lost on one punch. Lost to a journeyman. Had NO belts. Pretty impressive foe :patsch !!

"Man you have a lot to learn and clearly aren't rational when discussing boxing."

Um, hate to point it out to you, my child, but I have pointed out nothing but facts. Here, move that nutsack from your eyes and you'll see better. And this schooling isn't free. :hi:
You didn't prove a goddamn thing the fact is that PBF is 2-0 against Castillo dumbass spin it however you like.:hi: Go back and do your research Chico was the favorite in that fight.:deal
The fact is you're a hater period. Whatever PBF does it will never be enough for scum like you. PBF could fight and beat Cotto, Hatton and Mosley and you would still find fault with it and make some excuses afterwards.
I deal in facts you deal in bullshit. The fact is and can't be argued that PBF is undefeated 38-0 P4P #1 and everytime out people like you pick against him and everytime he continues to prove your dumbass wrong. So come back when you have some concrete facts until then fuck off Thundercat Hooooooo!:hi:

[PBF P4P #1]

floyd is going to fight hatton in order top duck margarito, williams, cotto, mosley, cintron, spinks, etc.

no matter who he fights people bitch.....WHY?

BECAUSE HE IS P4P #1 AND EVERYONE WANTS A PIECE.

[Pimp C]

No, I'd make an easy $8,000,000.00 by beating an overrated bum (according to Gayweather nuthuggers), and then fight a faded GOOD fighter, but not an ATG for $26,000,000.00. But I guess Gayweather is to stupid to realize that 26,000,000+8,000,000= 34,000,000. Dooh!!!:hey :yep :patsch
You're a fucking idiot why leave out the fact that he made more by fighting Baldo and got a linear championship to boot.:-( Why fight Margo? He offered PBF nothing.:deal

[PBF P4P #1]

No, I'd make an easy $8,000,000.00 by beating an overrated bum (according to Gayweather nuthuggers), and then fight a faded GOOD fighter, but not an ATG for $26,000,000.00. But I guess Gayweather is to stupid to realize that 26,000,000+8,000,000= 34,000,000. Dooh!!!:hey :yep :patsch

DLH may not have been there later and now Margarito isnt :rofl :rofl :rofl

DLH is not an ATG??????:hi:

26 + Hatton = alot more than 34 :patsch ....also you know he got 8 for Baldomir too right? :) idiot


Go learn something before you try to teach...

[obedt]

why is shane in that group again?
Carlito,
I think Shane deserves to be there. He looked very, very good in defeating Luis Collazo. Yes, Luis did get injured, but Shane seemed to have refound some of his quickness throughout that fight and looked like he had turned back the clock. He still has other big wins over Vargas, Estrada, and Jose Luis Cruz. Until someone beats him definitely then he has earned his way to the top 5 of the ww's.

I know you don't want to hear this, but Margarito has not been that impressive in a long time. He struggled mightily in his last 2 fights (for the record I believe Collazo to be better + more accomplished than Clottey, but that's arguable) and that is why he has dropped a little lower. He can still make some noise, but he needs to look good again, desperately.

[PBF P4P #1]

"And it is now PBF's fault that Zab never reached his potential?"


No, it's his fault for going through with this farce when he knew the facts about Judah.

So then what's Cotto's excuse????:hi: :hi: :hi:

[Pimp C]

So then what's Cotto's excuse????:hi: :hi: :hi:
Exactly! Don't hold your breathe.:-(

[obedt]

So then what's Cotto's excuse????:hi: :hi: :hi:

For fighting Zab? Well, I think the excuse is that Miguel was supposed to face the guy Floyd truly did not want to get in the ring with, but Margarito backed out to fight Williams. Do you disagree? :lol:

But I forget, is Cotto considered to be p4p #1? No one needs to defends Cotto's words about his own greatness, b/c up to now those words have not come out of his mouth.

[Pimp C]

For fighting Zab? Well, I think the excuse is that Miguel was supposed to face the guy Floyd truly did not want to get in the ring with, but Margarito backed out to fight Williams. Do you disagree? :lol:

But I forget, is Cotto considered to be p4p #1? No one needs to defends Cotto's words about his own greatness, b/c up to now those words have not come out of his mouth.
I knew that well he's not P4P #1 excuse was coming.:lol: It's the easy way out of any discussion when talking about double standards.

[obedt]

Way to ignore the 1st point, Pimp. lol

[obedt]

Seriously, does it bother people here that a young, undefeated, HUMBLE fighter is beating the same guys the p4p #1 is, but doing it more impressively?

[the_what]

I agree that Mosley is a one of the best WWs. But also are Mayweather and Cotto. Williams, Cintron, and Margarito arent on the that level yet.

[C Money]

why is shane in that group again?

Ring

C
C
68
FLOYD MAYWEATHER
38-0 (24)
1
1
34
MIGUEL COTTO
30-0 (25)
2
2
61
PAUL WILLIAMS
33-0 (24)
3
3
24
SHANE MOSLEY
44-4 (37)
4
4
315
ANTONIO MARGARITO
34-5 (24)


WBC

WELTERWEIGHT.- (147-66.678)
CHAMPION: FLOYD MAYWEATHER Jr. (US)
INTERIM CHAMPION: SHANE MOSLEY (US)
WON TITLE: November 4, 2006

As you can see, Ring mag and the BC in the top group. Amazingly? The BA and BF and BO(the Bo isnt current as they still have marg as Champ) dont have him in the top ten and their rankings are unbelievably TERRIBLE and not just because they dont have Mosley listed at all:? Anyone in need of a good laugh should review those.

As for my opinion of why he's there?? His most recent win over Collazo was a good win and showed that he still has something in him. Also he was the BA, BC champ in 2003 with his win over DLH and hasnt had a loss at 47 since. he had two losses to Wright at 54 but that's a different weight. So, with no loss at 47 since 2002 to Forrest and a most recent win over Collazo, he's in my top group.

Like I said, Margarito by virtue of the loss needs a good win to reassert himself in that group. Margarito vs Judah seems like a very good matchup between two fighters in the same boat wanting to get back in the championship picture.

[Guru_Too_You]

I agree that Mosley is a one of the best WWs. But also are Mayweather and Cotto. Williams, Cintron, and Margarito arent on the that level yet.

:good

[C Money]

I disagree with the Margarito assessment. Here is why. It wasn't as if he was knocked out or beat up badly. I believe it would be safe to say that he started two to three rounds to late to win the fight. He did more damage to Williams than vice versa.

Compare that to Zab Judah who has lost the many redeeming chances he has gotten to get back on "top."

It also compares to the Morales vs Barrera fights. Even though there were losers in those fights, they did not hurt their appeal or am I wrong.

Or how about when Morales beat PacMan the first time? PacMan sure didn't hurt his appeal in his loss.

Same as in the PacMan and Marquez fight. If Marquez had been blown out in the first round then you have a case, but he didn't thus he only helped his cause by beating, in my humble opinion, PacMan in 10 of the 12 remaining rounds.


Margarito wasnt ko'd but he still lost. Therefore losing his spot in the top group to Williams. I'm not spelling the end of his career by any means, but it's CLEAR he needs victory to get himself back in that group.

You mention Judah and that's the perfect opponent for Marg, IMO, both guy's are in the same boat right now trying to reestablish.

A Marg vs judah Winner could make a case to fight a Williams or SSM vs Cotto winner (if it happens), or PBF vs Hatton winner (if it happens), or Cintron.

[Guru_Too_You]

"DLH may not have been there later."

What a convenient excuse. :good


"DLH is not an ATG??????"

Name one great fighter that was in his prime that DLH beat.

"26 + Hatton = alot more than 34 :patsch"

Has the fight been signed? Hatton is the draw here so I really doubt Gayweather will get more than $10,000,000.00, jackass. And before you give me any, "But..." crap, remember one thing. Gayweather had CELEBRITIES and others WALKING OUT of his snoozefest against a journeyman who he should have dispatched in five round or less. Guess G.O.A.T'ers have slipped a little. I guess it would have taken SRR to take out a journeyman 10 rounds, huh Einstein?

Next.





Because so many people have dispatched Baldomir.

Now I clearly know that you are not a good addition to ESB.

Welcome hater.

[Sug3]

Margarito wasnt ko'd but he still lost. Therefore losing his spot in the top group to Williams. I'm not spelling the end of his career by any means, but it's CLEAR he needs victory to get himself back in that group.

You mention Judah and that's the perfect opponent for Marg, IMO, both guy's are in the same boat right now trying to reestablish.

A Marg vs judah Winner could make a case to fight a Williams or SSM vs Cotto winner (if it happens), or PBF vs Hatton winner (if it happens), or Cintron.

Hatton fears the welterweight division,just imagine if hatton had stayed and fought somebody like clottey,cintron,margarito,mosley or williams.

[C Money]

Hatton fears the welterweight division,just imagine if hatton had stayed and fought somebody like clottey,cintron,margarito,mosley or williams.

Hatton's best suited at 40 and even if he beats PBF he wont be likely to go to/stay at 47.

You might change my statement to the PBF vs hatton winner or loser. If PBF wins he's already 47 Champ, if Hatton wins, PBf should be looking to reassert himself. Though given Floyd's child like ego?? He might just run off into retirement:| :| :| :| like a baby, or maybe there'd be a rematch?? I dont predict the future, and anything's possible. I'm just referring to the potential scenarios that might exist in the 47 landscape.:good

[Guru_Too_You]

That is your opinion about me and you are entitled to it. But Baldomir is a tough man in a tough sport. Unfortunately his record speaks for itself. He has not beaten any great fighters, and his most impressive victories have come against two overachievers. Judah and Gatti. Gatti, while brave, tough, etc...is not a great fighter. Judah is simply a loudmouthed punk who has yet to realize that he needs to backup his talk in the ring, where it matters the most.

OK. Nice spin job. You must have gone to the Carlito Elementary school for the blind.

Let me ask you this, how many natural welterweights have stopped Baldomir? How many fighters ever have dropped him even once?

After you answer that, why don't you tell me how its fair to criticize a natural lightweight for not stopping him within six rounds.

Next.

[obedt]

OK. Nice spin job. You must have gone to the Carlito
After you answer that, why don't you tell me how its fair to criticize a natural lightweight for not stopping him within six rounds.

Do you think it's fair to criticize him for not even trying? Esp when during the promotion he said that there were 2 ways for Baldomir to leave the ring: "on his ass or on his back". (I think that's what was said...)

[Jose FM]

115-113 for Mayweather was the correct scoring the first time around...go ahead re-watch it
Ive watched this fight the most outta of all the Gayweather fights, each time i have Castillo winning by more. He won youre just in denial.:hi:




Kinda like DLH did with Chavez...twice. Except, that Chavez was widely regarded as the favorite and DLH made him look ordinary, TWICE.:good




PBF may never beat anyone like he did Gatti again...Either way he won decisively.
A SD is not decisive.:deal




And it is now PBF's fault that Zab never reached his potential? :rofl
No, but my point is that he has always been hyped up to be the second Pernall Whitaker, and that is not the case at all. All in all Mayweather beat a ordinary fighter, not the second coming of Sweet Pea:nono .

[WestSideBoxer]

They are right after Baldomir!!!

Only Baldomir has win over top 2 Walters (Judah and Gatti) and goes the distance with PBF:smoke

Yes, Baldomir is a TOP Welter.

[WestSideBoxer]

Never was and won't be for the forseeable future since he is now fighting at 154.

He did beat Zab Judah in a more EASY way than Cotto :smoke

[WestSideBoxer]

Well, people are going to argue that Cotto stopped Judah and that Judah wasn't "focused," when he fought Baldo.

Low blos man, low blows, that's why :hey......

Just kidding!

[WestSideBoxer]

:rofl :rofl To be honest, I thought it tarnished Cotto's victory because he did hit him low while he was hurt.

IF, and that is a very big "if", Judah had won but had low blowed Cotto on a few occasions, I am sure we would never hear the end of it.
That is so true :smoke

[Guru_Too_You]

I can tell you that one stopped him and at least 9 already beat him.

get my name out of your mouth, chump

Chump eh?

You know what a chump is, some one that says one thing and does another.

I see youre still here and still whining.

[Guru_Too_You]

"Let me ask you this, how many natural welterweights have stopped Baldomir? How many fighters ever have dropped him even once?"

Lets see. Out of the world class fighters he has fought? None. Or the other hard luck fighters he has fought? I don't know, but does it really matter? So if you use your logic, anyone who hasn't been knocked down or stopped is a great fighter? He was losing to Clottey pretty handidly, but was given the win when Clottey was DQ'd. Besides that, is there anyone else of note that you want to mention? I'll even give you until tomorrow to give me a name.

Thank you, but you may like other men putting things in your mouth, but you can refrain from putting anything in mine, words included.

Please point out where I said that he was a great fighter. All I stated is that its ludicrous that you would expect a natural lightweight to stop a natural welterweight who has never been stopped.

And I guess Judah and Clottey arent world class fighters eh?

[Guru_Too_You]

Do you think it's fair to criticize him for not even trying? Esp when during the promotion he said that there were 2 ways for Baldomir to leave the ring: "on his ass or on his back". (I think that's what was said...)

Key word is promotion.

You obviously havent been around the sport very long if you believe everything said to promote a bout.

[Guru_Too_You]

so

Doesnt involve you troll.

[audio101]

They are right after Baldomir!!!

Only Baldomir has win over top 2 Walters (Judah and Gatti) and goes the distance with PBF:smoke

When ever someone places Gatti as a top contender I assume they have no idea what they're talking about.:patsch

[Wilhelm]

De la hoya and mosley are still very competitive,but mosley has been more active and proved he still has his ability and great stamina,but de la hoya still proved 1 thing and that is he gasses out after 6 rounds
.Imagaine if de la hoya fought a fighter like margarito or williams,especially at welterweight,i think williams and margarito are the best,because there both relentless on how they attack with there styles.

Williams is a slick southpaw who can hit u from all angles and has endless stamina along with a solid chin,now that i seen them both fight,i know they could beat any of the top welter's.Mayweather,mosley,de la hoya or cotto dont want nothing to do with williams or margarito,because they would be forced to use there legs every minute of every round along with stepping up there punch output.

Cotto has fought 2 jr welterweights in his last match and that's judah,urkal and when cotto steps up faces a strong welterweight like cintron,mosley,margarito,williams or even clottey i bet money cotto will lose,because they wont fold like judah.

The only guy's i see beating mayweather at welterweight is williams,maybe clottey,mosley,still margarito because mayweather couldn't fight the same pace as paul williams and floyd is not a southpaw nor doe's he throw over a hundred punches a round,for all that alone i see margarito not respecting floyd and pressuring him all night long.

Williams showed against margarito what floyd,oscar and mosley didn't wanna experience this stage in there career's against margarito and that's the ability to dig down deep and fight 12 hard full rounds.

The way to beat margarito is to outwork and outfight him at times,floyd's 1-2 and pitty pat punches wouldn't be enough for margarito and it could possibly end up looking like the clottey fight,where floyd dominates early,then margarito comes on strong after 6 rounds and floyd complains about his hands and possibly quits late in the fight.

Alot of people didn't realize margarito showed some very good defense in the fight,even with all the punches williams was throwing and that shocked me most,because i thought margarito would just be target practice.

Here's what i think will happen if any of the top welterweights faced williams,margarito and Mosley.

Williams vs Mosley-Williams by ud
Williams vs Cotto-Williams by ud or late tko
Williams vs Cintron-Williams by ud
Williams vs Clottey-Williams by ud
Williams vs Mayweather-Williams by ud
Williams vs Judah-Williams by ko or tko in any round

Margarito vs Mosley-Mosley by sd
Margarito vs Cotto-Margarito by 10th round tko
Margarito vs Cintron-Margarito by tko again
Margarito vs Mayweather-Margarito by tko within 9-12
Margarito vs Judah-Margarito by ko or tko in any round

Mosley vs Cintron-Mosley by ud
Mosley vs Mayweather-Mosley by ud
Mosley vs Judah-Mosley by tko or ko within 7-10 rounds
Mosley vs Clottey-Mosley by ud


I give mosley a chance against margarito,because mosley has the experience to dig down deep and fight when all else fail's,that's why i think mayweather know's if he fight's margarito he would have to dig down deep and fight and that's why he never wanted the challenge.

Mayweather is coming off a great win over de la hoya and cotto is coming off a good win over judah,but neither de la hoya or judah have half the determination,stamina or relentless pressure that williams or margarito have.

De la Hoya destroys either guy quickly and painfully. No contest. They both get by on their size but neither is that much bigger than De la Hoya and both together aren't half the boxer he is. He hits much sharper, much harder, much more accurate and does EVERYTHING better than they do. They throw more punches, sure, but they have to because the quality of those punches is sooooo much less. I don't care how old he gets, he will always pound those wide open style fighers. See the Mayorga fight if you don't believe me.

[Toopretty]

De la Hoya destroys either guy quickly and painfully. No contest. They both get by on their size but neither is that much bigger than De la Hoya and both together aren't half the boxer he is. He hits much sharper, much harder, much more accurate and does EVERYTHING better than they do. They throw more punches, sure, but they have to because the quality of those punches is sooooo much less. I don't care how old he gets, he will always pound those wide open style fighers. See the Mayorga fight if you don't believe me.

Perfect post, this is margaritos fans reunite thread..they all(4) came out of the woodworks to gather together on a theory of pure and utter BS that since williams beat margarito he beats everybody and everybody still loses to margarito b/c other welters dont throw 100 punches a round. Ask the 3 other fighters that beat margarito if they had to throw that many..NO....Margarito shows his limitations and how much he cant box in the last 2 fights. Modern even mind posters said he is tough but nothing special.. BUT I DONT WANT TO REIGN ON THE CARLITO POWER RANGER VOLTRON FORCES PARADE..KEEP IT COMING...LOL:deal:bart:yikes

[Alo2006]

De la hoya and mosley are still very competitive,but mosley has been more active and proved he still has his ability and great stamina,but de la hoya still proved 1 thing and that is he gasses out after 6 rounds
.Imagaine if de la hoya fought a fighter like margarito or williams,especially at welterweight,i think williams and margarito are the best,because there both relentless on how they attack with there styles.

Williams is a slick southpaw who can hit u from all angles and has endless stamina along with a solid chin,now that i seen them both fight,i know they could beat any of the top welter's.Mayweather,mosley,de la hoya or cotto dont want nothing to do with williams or margarito,because they would be forced to use there legs every minute of every round along with stepping up there punch output.

Cotto has fought 2 jr welterweights in his last match and that's judah,urkal and when cotto steps up faces a strong welterweight like cintron,mosley,margarito,williams or even clottey i bet money cotto will lose,because they wont fold like judah.

The only guy's i see beating mayweather at welterweight is williams,maybe clottey,mosley,still margarito because mayweather couldn't fight the same pace as paul williams and floyd is not a southpaw nor doe's he throw over a hundred punches a round,for all that alone i see margarito not respecting floyd and pressuring him all night long.

Williams showed against margarito what floyd,oscar and mosley didn't wanna experience this stage in there career's against margarito and that's the ability to dig down deep and fight 12 hard full rounds.

The way to beat margarito is to outwork and outfight him at times,floyd's 1-2 and pitty pat punches wouldn't be enough for margarito and it could possibly end up looking like the clottey fight,where floyd dominates early,then margarito comes on strong after 6 rounds and floyd complains about his hands and possibly quits late in the fight.

Alot of people didn't realize margarito showed some very good defense in the fight,even with all the punches williams was throwing and that shocked me most,because i thought margarito would just be target practice.

Here's what i think will happen if any of the top welterweights faced williams,margarito and Mosley.

Williams vs Mosley-Williams by ud
Williams vs Cotto-Williams by ud or late tko
Williams vs Cintron-Williams by ud
Williams vs Clottey-Williams by ud
Williams vs Mayweather-Williams by ud
Williams vs Judah-Williams by ko or tko in any round

Margarito vs Mosley-Mosley by sd
Margarito vs Cotto-Margarito by 10th round tko
Margarito vs Cintron-Margarito by tko again
Margarito vs Mayweather-Margarito by tko within 9-12
Margarito vs Judah-Margarito by ko or tko in any round

Mosley vs Cintron-Mosley by ud
Mosley vs Mayweather-Mosley by ud
Mosley vs Judah-Mosley by tko or ko within 7-10 rounds
Mosley vs Clottey-Mosley by ud


I give mosley a chance against margarito,because mosley has the experience to dig down deep and fight when all else fail's,that's why i think mayweather know's if he fight's margarito he would have to dig down deep and fight and that's why he never wanted the challenge.

Mayweather is coming off a great win over de la hoya and cotto is coming off a good win over judah,but neither de la hoya or judah have half the determination,stamina or relentless pressure that williams or margarito have.


Is this a fucking joke :lol: Well you got me laughing!

[psychopath]

De la hoya and mosley are still very competitive,but mosley has been more active and proved he still has his ability and great stamina,but de la hoya still proved 1 thing and that is he gasses out after 6 rounds
.Imagaine if de la hoya fought a fighter like margarito or williams,especially at welterweight,i think williams and margarito are the best,because there both relentless on how they attack with there styles.

Williams is a slick southpaw who can hit u from all angles and has endless stamina along with a solid chin,now that i seen them both fight,i know they could beat any of the top welter's.Mayweather,mosley,de la hoya or cotto dont want nothing to do with williams or margarito,because they would be forced to use there legs every minute of every round along with stepping up there punch output.

Cotto has fought 2 jr welterweights in his last match and that's judah,urkal and when cotto steps up faces a strong welterweight like cintron,mosley,margarito,williams or even clottey i bet money cotto will lose,because they wont fold like judah.

The only guy's i see beating mayweather at welterweight is williams,maybe clottey,mosley,still margarito because mayweather couldn't fight the same pace as paul williams and floyd is not a southpaw nor doe's he throw over a hundred punches a round,for all that alone i see margarito not respecting floyd and pressuring him all night long.

Williams showed against margarito what floyd,oscar and mosley didn't wanna experience this stage in there career's against margarito and that's the ability to dig down deep and fight 12 hard full rounds.

The way to beat margarito is to outwork and outfight him at times,floyd's 1-2 and pitty pat punches wouldn't be enough for margarito and it could possibly end up looking like the clottey fight,where floyd dominates early,then margarito comes on strong after 6 rounds and floyd complains about his hands and possibly quits late in the fight.

Alot of people didn't realize margarito showed some very good defense in the fight,even with all the punches williams was throwing and that shocked me most,because i thought margarito would just be target practice.

Here's what i think will happen if any of the top welterweights faced williams,margarito and Mosley.

Williams vs Mosley-Williams by ud
Williams vs Cotto-Williams by ud or late tko
Williams vs Cintron-Williams by ud
Williams vs Clottey-Williams by ud
Williams vs Mayweather-Williams by ud
Williams vs Judah-Williams by ko or tko in any round

Margarito vs Mosley-Mosley by sd
Margarito vs Cotto-Margarito by 10th round tko
Margarito vs Cintron-Margarito by tko again
Margarito vs Mayweather-Margarito by tko within 9-12
Margarito vs Judah-Margarito by ko or tko in any round

Mosley vs Cintron-Mosley by ud
Mosley vs Mayweather-Mosley by ud
Mosley vs Judah-Mosley by tko or ko within 7-10 rounds
Mosley vs Clottey-Mosley by ud


I give mosley a chance against margarito,because mosley has the experience to dig down deep and fight when all else fail's,that's why i think mayweather know's if he fight's margarito he would have to dig down deep and fight and that's why he never wanted the challenge.

Mayweather is coming off a great win over de la hoya and cotto is coming off a good win over judah,but neither de la hoya or judah have half the determination,stamina or relentless pressure that williams or margarito have.

That's a very long bullcrap!

:huh :-(

:hi: