Povetkin,Shumenov-good matchmaking???

[Odo]

Povetkin,Shumenov,Airich,Gamboa-good matchmaking??

These 4 names stand for incredibly tough matchmaking.

Povetkin(16-0) has already fought names like Byrd,Chambers,Ahunanya,Bango,and Bostcie in his very short pro career.He is Wlad's next challenger.
Whats your opinion on his matchmaker??

American based Kazahk amateur star Shumenov(5-0) has already beaten Donell Wiggins(24-10) and Lavell Finger(26-2) and is scheduled to face Montell Griffin (49-7) in his 6th pro fight.

Gamboa??
Solis?

No American pro fighter has been matched as toughly as the aforementioned names for ages.

My question is: does is really make sense to rise the ranks as fastly and receive title shots as early in their pro careers as above mentioned guys will????
Money is the name of this game. Do their promoter really do them a favour by matching them tough?
Does it really enhance their markebilty and their chance to collect big paychecks??

Of course I as a fight fan love watching them fight good opponents early in their careers making big noise in their weight divisions,but is it really possible to sell them to the big fight markets out there in as short a time as they get big fights??
Wouldnt it be wiser to slowly build a fan base instead of rushing them into dangerous encounters with excellent rivals early in their careers??

Was Konstantin Airich's loss Danny Williams detrimetal to his career or not?? Your opinion? Was it madness to match him with someone like Danny in his 9th pro fight or not??

[NBT]

Povetkin(16-0) has already fought names like Byrd,Chambers,Ahunanya,Bango,and Bostcie in his very short pro career.He is Wlad's next challenger.
Whats your opinion on his matchmaker??
Appropriate matchmaking. A guy of his abilty should beat those guys and he did. None of them were exactly a big threat, it was unlikely that they would outbox Povetkin, none of them is a heavy puncher and let's not forget most of them were pretty old guys at the end of their career. Only Chambers was a young gun and he gave Povetkin some trouble. Is he ready for Klitschko? I doubt it. Honestly, I would never favour any version of Povetkin over a prime Klitschko because Klitschko always has the style advantage in that match-up.

What Öner did with Airich was stupid just like Öner himself. Imo it was obvious that Airich is and never will be a world beater so if you want to make some money off him you have to move him wisely. The Mazikin fight was proof enough that he wasn't ready for a step-up against even a washed up former fringe contender like Danny Williams. I was expecting that he would get stopped and although he did better than I thought in the beginning
(Williams punch resistance seem to have seriously deterioated) that's what happened.

Good "tough" matchmaking -> guys the prospect should beat if everything goes normal -> Povetkin, Gamboa
Bad "tough" matchmaking -> guys he is expected to lose against if everything goes normal -> Airich

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Good post NBT.

[Alcaldemb]

Olimpic Games (2004) - won (34:22) with Aleksy Kuziemski (he is in top 10 by the WBO and WBC I think), and loss in second round. In the same year ho won gold medal in Asia Championship - light heavyweight.

Ho lost as a junior with Chad Dawnson on close fight.

Got there first. Shumenov is very young, 24, and is being matched tough. I am very interested in him and definitely see him as a prospect to keep an eye on. I don't think he his based out of the US anymore though. His last few fights have been in Kazakhstan's third city, including his upcoming fight with Griffin being scheduled there.

The progression of Povetkin, Shumenov and Gamboa is very impressive to say the least.

[Alcaldemb]

Thanks for information. I have another prospect too take interest towards.

I have known about Shumenov for a little while, I am really high on him and hope he does well, especially seeing as how neither Dawson or Diaconu strike me as anything more than good light heavies.

[Alcaldemb]

I agree for the most part. Dawson is pretty damn good boxer but he is small for the weight and lacks a big punch. It looks like Alexeev will control the Cruiser's so I am hoping Shumenov can fill a gap at light heavyweight.

It is great for me to watch Euro/Central Asisn fighter's make big impacts as professionals. Boxing is finally becoming a Global sport. :good

Yes it is, from Chimkent to Chekov to Cebu City boxing has become a world sport.

[Odo]

Yes it is, from Chimkent to Chekov to Cebu City boxing has become a world sport.

It really has,alcademb,it really has!!

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Riddick Bowe,a Dane, a Swede, an unknown Swedish based African fighting on Hungarian soil.

[Odo]

Appropriate matchmaking. A guy of his abilty should beat those guys and he did. None of them were exactly a big threat, it was unlikely that they would outbox Povetkin, none of them is a heavy puncher and let's not forget most of them were pretty old guys at the end of their career. Only Chambers was a young gun and he gave Povetkin some trouble. Is he ready for Klitschko? I doubt it. Honestly, I would never favour any version of Povetkin over a prime Klitschko because Klitschko always has the style advantage in that match-up.

What Öner did with Airich was stupid just like Öner himself. Imo it was obvious that Airich is and never will be a world beater so if you want to make some money off him you have to move him wisely. The Mazikin fight was proof enough that he wasn't ready for a step-up against even a washed up former fringe contender like Danny Williams. I was expecting that he would get stopped and although he did better than I thought in the beginning
(Williams punch resistance seem to have seriously deterioated) that's what happened.

Good "tough" matchmaking -> guys the prospect should beat if everything goes normal -> Povetkin, Gamboa
Bad "tough" matchmaking -> guys he is expected to lose against if everything goes normal -> Airich


Interesting post,nbt!

However,Povetkin has taken some risks in fighting decent opponents early in his career when it was not necessary to take those risks at all.
In order to sell him to the German and American market you have to feed him with light catch so that he has a chance to shine and showcase his skills scoring spectacular ko victories over limited opposition.
Dont get me wrong though! I as a fight fan surely appreciate Povetkin's tough matchmaking but the name of this game is to earn as much money as you can.Thyson was a big number after just 16 fights though he only faced and defeated bums and no-hopers.Bowe! Hollyfield! The Klitschko brothers! Povetkin is still a quite unknown heavy weight. His name recogntion among casual sport fans is zero,nada,nula.

I disagree with you assessment of Povetkin. He for sure poses a serious threat to Wlad.
I guess that Wlad wont fight his mandatory challenger as there is bigger fish to fry out there in terms of money.
Povetkin is dangerous,,but almost nobody has ever heard his name outside us hardcore fans and Povetkin's fans back home in Russia.
Wlad will duck him as long as he can-and rightfully so.
Careful and wise matchmaking is a difficult art.I somehow tend to think that tough matchmaking is not really that much respected among the casual fight fans out there.Whats more most tv channels dont care a fig for a fighter's record either as long as is shows a high percentage of victories and as long as he can be sold to his home crowd.

As for Aurich I quite agree with you. Stupid matchmaking it was!!

[Alcaldemb]

Do we have any results from Chimkent?

[Alcaldemb]

Shumenov won via UD 12, 120-108 twice and 120-107. Very impressive result for the young Kazakh.

[joeboxer]

Shumenov won via UD 12, 120-108 twice and 120-107. Very impressive result for the young Kazakh.wow, that is a huge statement from such an early stage in his career.

[Odo]

Shumenov won via UD 12, 120-108 twice and 120-107. Very impressive result for the young Kazakh.

Very impressive indeed!