Junior Witter?

[KCD]

Has anyone got any news on the where-a-bouts or future plans of Junior Witter?

[onourway]

Stick a fork in Junior, he's done.

[Fat Joe]

He sure as hell won't be going up to WW if he watched that fight last night.

[onourway]

I remember on here when some of the Witter huggers argued with me that he would beat Margarito :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

[dan-b]

I think he should target a fight with Ngoudjo. He's the only fighter without a fight coming up that could get him back into contention. It's safe to say the Hatton fight is gone but he could target a rematch with Bradley.

[kurt2006]

He is not winning much if he is going to paw at people with what looks like a kung fu move.

[dan-b]

He is not winning much if he is going to paw at people with what looks like a kung fu move.

Looking at it objectively though Kurt what do you think his next move would be though, assuming he continues fighting?

[bruno's_chin]

Ive heard that Bradley said he'd give Witter a rematch if the money was right, which when considering that neither guy has a big fan base wont be that much money, so it may come off, i mean when it was announced that witter was fighting bradley, i'd never heard of the guy, so i cant see his demands been that great

[dwilson]

I think he is lined up to face the old Italian guy who won the European belt off of Colin Lynes. A good performance and a good win is easily possible if he has anything left, after that he should be back in contention for a title fight depending on if his promoter wants to give him another push. I think the belt holders will be pretty willing to fight Witter now due to his awful display against Bradley, he still has a decent name. I can not see Bradley giving him a rematch, no one wants to see it.

[Fat Joe]

Ive heard that Bradley said he'd give Witter a rematch if the money was right

Last I heard Bradley was lining up Vivian Harris.

[ApatheticLeader]

Stick a fork in Junior, he's done.

I feel like dancing.

[onourway]

Bradley's fighting Edner Cherry apparently.

[dan-b]

Bradley's fighting Edner Cherry apparently.

Ah yes I heard this. So again, thinking objectively, who do you think Witter should target next assuming he continues?

[onourway]

I think he should retire.

[dwilson]

I think he should retire.


Yep. That should be the way to go but I doubt he will want his career to end with the Bradley defeat being his last fight. A European title fight win would be a better way to go.

[kurt2006]

Looking at it objectively though Kurt what do you think his next move would be though, assuming he continues fighting?

I think its going to be similar to what happened to Howard Eastman after his title fights (although he never won a title). A few more fights for money but no major title fights also maybe facing rising stars looking for a name to add to their record.

Bradley is jack shit and will not amount to much.

[JonOli]

I didn't realise till recently he was with Golden boy. As yet they still haven't got together a profile description of him.

[Beeston Brawler]

I think Witter is certainly capable of beating Bradley, and any other light welter other than Hatton.

Ngoudjo would be a good fight - he is the rightful IBF champion, and if Witter managed to beat him legitimately it would put him right back into contention.

Winning the European title would give him a top ranking with the WBC, he seems to be nowhere with the other orgs and is a stylistic nightmare for many at 140.

He is a great enigma - less laziness and a better attitude generally would have seen him go much further.

[ApatheticLeader]

I think Witter is certainly capable of beating Bradley, and any other light welter other than Hatton.

Ngoudjo would be a good fight - he is the rightful IBF champion, and if Witter managed to beat him legitimately it would put him right back into contention.

Winning the European title would give him a top ranking with the WBC, he seems to be nowhere with the other orgs and is a stylistic nightmare for many at 140.

He is a great enigma - less laziness and a better attitude generally would have seen him go much further.

Not really - anybody with a good chin and a willingness to keep going forward would beat Witter. Technically adept fighters with a decent work rate too.

[Beeston Brawler]

Good chin and workrate are important - but so is class.

Not that many of the 140lb'ers have that.

I think his boasts about moving up to welterweight will certainly stop once he sees the fight from last night, what a fucking war that was.

[bruno's_chin]

guaranteed, margarito is an animal, cotto was brilliant in the first half, but i could always see it coming, cintron couldnt wobble margarito in 2 fights, besides hagler, marg is the only guy ive seen who plows forward at full speed looking to wipe the guy out and shows no fear of what the other guy is going to do to him, throughout last nights fight i was reminded of round 3 in "the war" when hagler had hearns hurt and ran accross the ring to twat tommy n finish him, margarito was the same

[TFFP]

He could beat Bradley he fought smarter. He could beat any of these guys, they are not very good. Hatton is never going to fight him, so that will probably take the edge off his desire. If Hatton wouldn't fight him when he was ranked 2 in the world, he ain't going to after a loss, even if he rebuilds.

Might as well have one last fight and go out on a high.

[Max Molyneux]

Stick a fork in Junior, he's done.

Yet you didn't say that when Hatton got bounced Into the corner post and blaming the ref.

[Max Molyneux]

Bradley seemed to be the first fight where he didn't get away with being lazy, If he shown up like he did for Harris, he would of won.

[GazOC]

Yet you didn't say that when Hatton got bounced Into the corner post and blaming the ref.

Hatton isn't 34.....

[TFFP]

He's been fighting like he's 34 though.

[GazOC]

Get a new act....

[TFFP]

I'm sorry, but the beers have clearly been taking effect. His stamina is gone - I know it may be difficult to take.

[scurlaruntings]

Hatton isn't 34.....And?:roll:

[scurlaruntings]

I'm sorry, but the beers have clearly been taking effect. His stamina is gone - I know it may be difficult to take.His stamina isnt gone. The quality of his opposition has gone up, his life style is catching him up, and his hunger is waning. Hatton is comfortable. He doesnt need boxing anymore. He achieved far more than he ever expected from the sport and FW started him in very good sted.

[Beeston Brawler]

I think the stamina is still pretty good, but clearly not what it was.

For me, he needs to either buck his ideas up or pack in, because he can really cement his legacy in the next couple of fights.

He needs to be less gung ho - he does have boxing skills and a decent jab, but never uses them!

[TFFP]

His stamina isnt gone. The quality of his opposition has gone up, his life style is catching him up, and his hunger is waning. Hatton is comfortable. He doesnt need boxing anymore. He achieved far more than he ever expected from the sport and FW started him in very good sted. Of course its gone, he's running out of gas before he ever did. You can speculate the reasons for it, there are many, but the proof is in the pudding.

He ran out of gas against Juan Lazcano for christ sake, that wasn't because he was fighting anybody great. It could be that he doesn't have the desire he once did, or more likely because he drinks too many beers for a professional athlete.

[Beeston Brawler]

I was impressed with the stamina against Lazcano - because against Collazo and Urango he gassed badly.

I agree though, the crispy duck and beer is catching up. One would question whether he would have done as well as he has if he had lived the life - i.e. twisted logic could say that he would have lost the appetite for it a lot earlier.

[TFFP]

When you fight like Ricky Hatton, you've got to have stamina for 12 rounds. It's the beginning of the end for him. Might get away with it against Malinaggi, but further down the road I see big trouble. I even give Pacquiao a big chance now.

[scurlaruntings]

Of course its gone, he's running out of gas before he ever did. You can speculate the reasons for it, there are many, but the proof is in the pudding.

He ran out of gas against Juan Lazcano for christ sake, that wasn't because he was fighting anybody great. It could be that he doesn't have the desire he once did, or more likely because he drinks too many beers for a professional athlete.Hatton fought at the SAME frenetic pace his always fought at. The diffrence was he was getting hit. When you get hit you slow down end of story. Juan may have seen his best days at 35 and his not a career light welter but his certainly not a can. His also 10 times better than the club fighters that Hatton was beating up to the tune of the WBU some years back. Anyone can lo0ok good beating stiffs. When the quality of your competition goes up that story changes. What you seem to conviniently igonore is that Hattons lifestyle has been the same SINCE he turned pro. NOTHING has changed. He liked a beer back then he still likes one now. Surprise surprise.

[TFFP]

Hatton fought at the SAME frenetic pace his always fought at. The diffrence was he was getting hit. When you get hit you slow down end of story. Juan may have seen his best days at 35 and his not a career light welter but his certainly not a can. His also 10 times better than the club fighters that Hatton was beating up to the tune of the WBU some years back. Anyone can lo0ok good beating stiffs. When the quality of your competition goes up that story changes. What you seem to conviniently igonore is that Hattons lifestyle has been the same SINCE he turned pro. NOTHING has changed. He liked a beer back then he still likes one now. Surprise surprise.
Can't argue with that, Hatton fought some terrible cans during his WBU days. It is remarkably convenient how short his "prime" was - according to his fans. It seems to start at round 1 of Tszyu, and end at round 12. Now that he hasn't looked so good he's past prime :yep

[Beeston Brawler]

I think people did underestimate how tough Lazcano was - he was in the last chance saloon and came to WIN.

Better that than standing behind his guard all night long, taking a beating for six rounds and taking a dive - upon which the Hatton huggers would say Ricky destroyed Lazcano etc etc

He has always been pretty hittable, and with Lazcano not exactly being feather fisted he was always going to cop a few.

i just wish he would have fought Witter instead - the Lazcano win won't do much for his legacy, having lost to Vivian Harris, but Witter as No.1 contender would.

[scurlaruntings]

Can't argue with that, Hatton fought some terrible cans during his WBU days. It is remarkably convenient how short his "prime" was - according to his fans. It seems to start at round 1 of Tszyu, and end at round 12. Now that he hasn't looked so good he's past prime :yepHis prime was from the days that he started defending the WBU. NOTHING has changed from then or since. His style has always been the same and he will never be anything more than what he is which is an aggresive brawler with a high tempo. Anyway this thread was supposed to be about Witter wasnt it? :blood

[Beeston Brawler]

Can't argue with that, Hatton fought some terrible cans during his WBU days. It is remarkably convenient how short his "prime" was - according to his fans. It seems to start at round 1 of Tszyu, and end at round 12. Now that he hasn't looked so good he's past prime :yep

The trouble with the WBU days was that some of the earlier names were actually half decent - but there was no improvement.

As soon as he beat either Vince Phillips or Ben Tackie, he should have been pressed straight in, instead we had Stewart (who took a dive), Pedersen the punchbag and Vilches!

[TFFP]

The trouble with the WBU days was that some of the earlier names were actually half decent - but there was no improvement.

As soon as he beat either Vince Phillips or Ben Tackie, he should have been pressed straight in, instead we had Stewart (who took a dive), Pedersen the punchbag and Vilches!
He probably would have got more credit if he hadn't got Tszyu so late in his career either, so it was a double fuck up. But then he would have been at risk of losing, it was all carefully plotted.

[GazOC]

And?:roll:

Suffering a loss at 34 usually makes retirement a more likely option than a defeat at 29 does. Surely you are not going to argue with that?:roll:

[scurlaruntings]

The trouble with the WBU days was that some of the earlier names were actually half decent - but there was no improvement.

As soon as he beat either Vince Phillips or Ben Tackie, he should have been pressed straight in, instead we had Stewart (who took a dive), Pedersen the punchbag and Vilches!The Phillips fight was an indication of nothing. The man was 40 plus years old and STILL recovering from crack. As for the Tackie fight that was an educated gamble by FW that did pay off. Back then Tackie did have some credibility but he was very limited easy to hit and only possessed a granite chin. Other than that he was a gatekeeper.

[scurlaruntings]

Suffering a loss at 34 usually makes retirement a more likely option than a defeat at 29 does. Surely you are not going to argue with that?:roll:Thats an extremely feable and lame argument. Bearing in mind the type of career Witter has had do you honestly believe his an old 34? Geez:roll:

[Beeston Brawler]

I agree that is pretty lame.

Witter hasn't exactly been in any wars, unlike a certain Mr Hatton.

[GazOC]

Read back through the thread. The jist is that Witter is more likely to retire after the Bradley loss than Hatton was after the Mayweather loss and thats due to age. Fair comment I think, I'm not saying he should retire just that losing a title at 34 its a lot more likely than losing one at 29. Physical condition is just one aspect, he may just not have the motivation to fight is way to a title again at that age.

Hasn't he Emailed you with his plans yet Scura?

[scurlaruntings]

Read back through the thread. The jist is that Witter is more likely to retire after the Bradley loss than Hatton was after the Mayweather loss and thats due to age. Fair comment I think, I'm not saying he should retire just that losing a title at 34 its a lot more likely than losing one at 29. Physical condition is just one aspect, he may just not have the motivation to fight is way to a title again at that age.

Hasn't he Emailed you with his plans yet Scura?Nope his been fairly quiet:twisted:

[TFFP]

Hatton looks to be at a higher ring age than Witter. The only question is desire, and if I was him I doubt I'd have much left when you know that whatever happens the #1 guy won't fight you, after previously avoiding you forever.

[GazOC]

Hatton looks to be at a higher ring age than Witter. The only question is desire, and if I was him I doubt I'd have much left when you know that whatever happens the #1 guy won't fight you, after previously avoiding you forever.

So I was right, retirement is likely?:lol:

[scurlaruntings]

Hatton looks to be at a higher ring age than Witter. The only question is desire, and if I was him I doubt I'd have much left when you know that whatever happens the #1 guy won't fight you, after previously avoiding you forever.When you`ve worked as hard as Witter had to get any recognition at all and then to loose all of that because Hatton refused to fight him must be tough. He never had the chance to prove he was the best at 140 because Hatton selfishly wouldnt give to him. History will remember this episode and history wont be kind to Mr Hatton thats for dam sure.

[TFFP]

So I was right, retirement is likely?:lol:
I don't know, I'm speaking from my own point of view. He might have a burning desire to prove everybody wrong and show up Hatton once more, but personally I'd have one more fight and call it quits. He's already been the #2 in the world, and he's not going to be able to top that while Hatton is around.

[GazOC]

He'll be fighting for buttons without that title as well.

[GazOC]

When you`ve worked as hard as Witter had to get any recognition at all and then to loose all of that because Hatton refused to fight him must be tough. He never had the chance to prove he was the best at 140 because Hatton selfishly wouldnt give to him. History will remember this episode and history wont be kind to Mr Hatton thats for dam sure.

I honestly doubt that, he'll be nothing more than a passing comment in an account of Hattons career. Broadly speaking Hatton will remembered for beating Zoo, losing to Mayweather and whatever happens against Pac. Not fighting Witter amongst that bunch doesn't really register.

[Beeston Brawler]

It will be no worse than what RJJ cops for not fighting Dariusz Michalczewski, or Calzaghe for staying at WBO level for 10 years.

That said, the fight should have happened - it would be better for his CV than most of the WBU chumps and the likes of Urango, who won't achieve jack shit.

[onourway]

Yet you didn't say that when Hatton got bounced Into the corner post and blaming the ref.

That's because Hatton lost to the P4P#1, I'd never expect a fighter to retire after losing to the very best in the world....

Now if Hatton had lost to Lazcano or Bradley, I would have expected him to retire.

[dan-b]

Great, glad to see you lot finally settled the Hatton debate once & for all.:lol:

[ApatheticLeader]

Good chin and workrate are important - but so is class.

Not that many of the 140lb'ers have that.

I think his boasts about moving up to welterweight will certainly stop once he sees the fight from last night, what a fucking war that was.

I'll agree with that.

[Beeston Brawler]

Take Hatton, Witter and Bradley and there isn't any.

Malignaggi is going to be brutally beat down in November, Torres got blown away last time and Kendall Holt is chinny.

[ApatheticLeader]

Take Hatton, Witter and Bradley and there isn't any.

Malignaggi is going to be brutally beat down in November, Torres got blown away last time and Kendall Holt is chinny.
Witter doesn't have class. He did, back in 2002.

[Beeston Brawler]

I think if he was busier in the ring, he would be twice the fighter.

He looks exceptional at times but allows opponents to steal rounds which they shouldn't really be entitled to steal.

Instead of posturing and switching every five seconds, just stand FUCKING SOUTHPAW - his best punch is the right hook in an upwards motion from the southpaw stance, SO FUCKING USE IT.

It is easy to look classy knocking out a succession of bums - as he was in 2002. Perhaps the Harris fight was a flash in the pan, I don't know.

[PaddyD1983]

History will remember this episode and history wont be kind to Mr Hatton thats for dam sure.

I disagree... history wont remember Witter.