Hopkins is still no 1 pound for pound

[gilad]

Until he is beaten. Based on longevity and quality of opposition. Everyone with a brain knows he beat Taylor, so in the last 2 years he has beaten the man at 154 (Winky), the man at 160 (Taylor) and the man at 175 (Tarver). And he beat a younger version of Oscar much more convincingly than Mayweather did.
The winner of Mayweather-Hatton can pass him and Manny can also pass him if he beats Marquez but as for now Nard is still the top dog and if he beats Calzaghe he is no 1 no matter what.

[Vantage_West]

for the taylor - hopkins thing.
it was a close fight wasnt a robbery big difference

to say it was a robbery totally shows that he was robbed twice...peple even mix the 2 matches together like it was 1 fight

[gilad]

Look, Nobody said it was one sided. But sometimes close fights have clear winners. For example: Mayweather-DLH was a close fight but Floyd clearly deserved the decision. Hopkins clearly deserved the decision against Taylor, even if the margin is not wide (2-4 points).

[BodyHead]

Until he is beaten. Based on longevity and quality of opposition. Everyone with a brain knows he beat Taylor, so in the last 2 years he has beaten the man at 154 (Winky), the man at 160 (Taylor) and the man at 175 (Tarver). And he beat a younger version of Oscar much more convincingly than Mayweather did.
The winner of Mayweather-Hatton can pass him and Manny can also pass him if he beats Marquez but as for now Nard is still the top dog and if he beats Calzaghe he is no 1 no matter what.

dude kill yaself

[psychopath]

Until he is beaten. Based on longevity and quality of opposition. Everyone with a brain knows he beat Taylor, so in the last 2 years he has beaten the man at 154 (Winky), the man at 160 (Taylor) and the man at 175 (Tarver). And he beat a younger version of Oscar much more convincingly than Mayweather did.
The winner of Mayweather-Hatton can pass him and Manny can also pass him if he beats Marquez but as for now Nard is still the top dog and if he beats Calzaghe he is no 1 no matter what.

Oh fuck here we go again. :-( :huh

Everybody knows Bhops lost twice to Taylor on a close point decission.

Live with it dude, you're making yourself look stupid.:yep

[MSTR]

Is this thread a joke. BHop with 2 consecutive losses to Taylor, a win over Tarver who lets be honest, p4p is nothing special, and a good win over Winky is suddenly p4p no.1 when floyd hasn't lost, and just went up ANOTHER weight division and beat a future HOF in Oscar. As opposed to Hop who made Oscar come up to fight him. Your kidding yourself. I think BHop with his recent win could be considered no.2 p4p, but even then its debatable as to whether Pac should be placed higher.

[theunderdog]

you could go on all day saying that bhop was robbed of one or two victories over taylor but that fact of the matter is he lost dude. there are two more marks in bhops loss column because of taylor. PBF is a multiple division champ who haven't lost yet. how could you put bhop on top of him?

[platnumpapi]

my thing is this bhop was p4p1 until that bs in the 1st taylor fight.i the fight should have been a draw or win for bhop, no way he should have lost the titles to jt in that fight.

winky wright is number p4p 2 and bhop just beat him, so if you think bhop was robbed in the 1st jt fight and he just beat winky not to mention tarver before.well damn what you can you expect.

i want call bhop number 1 but damn i say he is 3 maybe.

pbf 1
pac 2 only because winky just loss other then that he would be number 2
bhop 3

some shit like that but i will tell you this if bhop was able to beat jc in a mega fight.then he would be number 1 in my book.pbf will have to win over mosley or hatton.

[psychopath]

you could go on all day saying that bhop was robbed of one or two victories over taylor but that fact of the matter is he lost dude. there are two more marks in bhops loss column because of taylor. PBF is a multiple division champ who haven't lost yet. how could you put bhop on top of him?

:yep :good

[mlb06]

JT won two fight over Hopkins he wasnt robbed. He lost two close decisions get over!

[platnumpapi]

you must have missed the 1st bhop vs jt fight.

[MSTR]

you must have missed the 1st bhop vs jt fight.
How do you win a fight without throwing more then ten punches per round for the first 9 rounds?

[Imperial1]

I Don't know how anyone thought Taylor beat Hopkins the 1st go around but he's long since avenged those losses ..I personally don't mind that he be put atop the p4p list .

[King Dan]

It's reasonable to have Hopkins top 5 pound for pound.
He gets lumped together with Winky and Taylor in my opinion.

Pac and Mayweather are still ahead of this group.

Rafa Marquez, JM Marquez and Hatton are right in the mix as well.

[Imperial1]

It's reasonable to have Hopkins top 5 pound for pound.
He gets lumped together with Winky and Taylor in my opinion.

Pac and Mayweather are still ahead of this group.

Rafa Marquez, JM Marquez and Hatton are right in the mix as well.


I have Winky as my number 2 and Bhops just beat him ..Manny isn't as technically sound as Bhops so I personally put him ahead ..And Taylor I didn't see him in most people's top 5 ..

[johnco]

I have Winky as my number 2 and Bhops just beat him ..Manny isn't as technically sound as Bhops so I personally put him ahead ..And Taylor I didn't see him in most people's top 5 ..
whats technicallity means to you?? running around and grabbing ones fighters waist ??? :lol::lol:
pac is not technically sound but he makes it sure that you are not watching "dancing with the stars" :good:good

[Boro chris]

Its entirely reasonable to suggest that BHop beat Taylor twice. Most sensible posters would agree with you. But against Winky he looked really shot. The only reason he won was because Winky was half his size and even more shot than Bernard.
It was like watching a seniors tour (like they have in tennis) Chad Dawson would've Ko'ed the pair of them. Christ,even Clinton Woods is capable of thrashing them easily and he's not exactly a spring chicken either! They both need to retire and reflect on their atg careers!

[Imperial1]

whats technicallity means to you?? running around and grabbing ones fighters waist ??? :lol::lol:
pac is not technically sound but he makes it sure that you are not watching "dancing with the stars" :good:good


How long have you watched boxing by saying something like this ?

P4P isn't meant to be a popuarity contest ..

[johnco]

How long have you watched boxing by saying something like this ?

P4P isn't meant to be a popuarity contest ..

it isnt.... but how long since pac making his opponents kneel in front of him and how long since bhops fool you with those tactic? :good pac is going up to whoop his opponents. that is kneeling in front of him NOT UD. bhops...nope!

[MSTR]

it isnt.... but how long since pac making his opponents kneel in front of him and how long since bhops fool you with those tactic? :good pac is going up to whoop his opponents. that is kneeling in front of him NOT UD. bhops...nope!
Unfortunately a fighters style doesn't earn them points on the p4p scale. Otherwise Michael Katsidis would be in the p4p top 10 right now. SOrry to break it to you. Pac is number 2 ATM based on his achievements, although he needs to fight a top contender in his next fight.

[gilad]

Listen all, B-hop was undisputed pound for pound before the Taylor fights. Since then he beat three top 10 pound for pound fighters including Taylor(Like Tarver or not, he beat Jones and Johnson and was at most of the lists). Even if you assume he lost a fight to Taylor (he didn't) he deserves to be no 1 more than Manny, who beat a past his prime Barrera and a shot Morales (and also lost to Morales and had a draw with Marquez).
As for Floyd, he beats hand picked opponents coming off loses (Judah, DLH, Mitchell) or journeymen champions (Gatti, Baldomir). His record is impressive but not enough to top the list.

[theunderdog]

it isnt.... but how long since pac making his opponents kneel in front of him and how long since bhops fool you with those tactic? :good pac is going up to whoop his opponents. that is kneeling in front of him NOT UD. bhops...nope!

dude seriously, p4p is not about knocking out your opponents. it's about beating them. there are punchers and there are boxers. both have their unique style that they use to defeat their opponents. a fan could prefer a style over the other but shoud never diminish the impact of a certain's fighters wins because you just don't like his style.

if you're talking about who the most exciting fighter p4p is, then by all means, pic pacman. but you arguing that pac should be rated above other fighters because he is more exciting is completely baseless. it makes you look foolish.

[thesandman]

Listen all, B-hop was undisputed pound for pound before the Taylor fights. Since then he beat three top 10 pound for pound fighters including Taylor(Like Tarver or not, he beat Jones and Johnson and was at most of the lists). Even if you assume he lost a fight to Taylor (he didn't) he deserves to be no 1 more than Manny, who beat a past his prime Barrera and a shot Morales (and also lost to Morales and had a draw with Marquz).
As for Floyd, he beats hand picked opponents coming off loses (Judah, DLH, Mitchell) or journeymen champions (Gatti, Baldomir). His record is impressive but not enough to top the list.

Well, that's an incredibly biased post.

You say that Barerra was past his prime, and Morales was shot - so it's not Pac?

How about the fact that Tarver is also past prime, possibly shot,and was coming off a long layoff? (and was never as good as the 2 Mexicans to begin with).

Wright looked like shit, was fighting 2 divisions above his weight class, and is also past prime at 35?? Possibly also shot.

You also revise history by reversing 2 - TWO!!! - results from fights.

When was the last time Hopkins officially beat a fighter below the age of 35?


Hopkins WAS up there in the P4P rankings. But now he's beating names from his generation. Not abilities. NOthing wrong with that, he's old too. But that doesn't make him the best fighter in the world today.

[theunderdog]

Listen all, B-hop was undisputed pound for pound before the Taylor fights. Since then he beat three top 10 pound for pound fighters including Taylor(Like Tarver or not, he beat Jones and Johnson and was at most of the lists). Even if you assume he lost a fight to Taylor (he didn't) he deserves to be no 1 more than Manny, who beat a past his prime Barrera and a shot Morales (and also lost to Morales and had a draw with Marquz).
As for Floyd, he beats hand picked opponents coming off loses (Judah, DLH, Mitchell) or journeymen champions (Gatti, Baldomir). His record is impressive but not enough to top the list.

double standards. 1st of all, hop lost to taylor. we can altogether say he was robbed but it does not change the fact that he lost. twice.

then you go on mentioning that pac lost to morales and drew with jmm. but pacfans could refute that and say that the cut on pac's eye should have been ruled a headbutt by the ref which shouldn't have given morales the unfair advantage of having a target on pac's face. they could also say that pac should have won against jmm if the ref, who had it as a draw, scored the first round correctly at 10-6 rather than 10-7.

BUT, it doesn't work that way!

if you could overlook hop's losses to taylor then some people could also overlook the morales loss or the jmm draw for pac. how are we suppose to rate p4p if every fan overlooks the losses of their favorite fighters?

[Imperial1]

it isnt.... but how long since pac making his opponents kneel in front of him and how long since bhops fool you with those tactic? :good pac is going up to whoop his opponents. that is kneeling in front of him NOT UD. bhops...nope!



Kneel in front of them oh brotha! I am done with this convo considering what u just said ..I will be over here talking w/the grown ups ..:good

[gilad]

Buddy- Did Urango beat Rabah? Did Bell beat Dale Brown? Did D-Hop beat Steve Forbes? Yes they did. They won a decision.
But this is boxing, and there is a lot of politics involved. That's why we have eyes and brains, we can actaully watch the fights. If 3 idiots score the fights wrongly you shouldn't hold it against the fighter. I guess in your book Sven Ottke is an all time great, a unified champion who never lost according to the German judges.
As for Manny, I like him a lot and he is allowed to lose. I have him at no 3 on the list, and I don't think it's a shame for him to be behind a legend like Hopkins. He needs to beat a fighter in his prime (Guzman? Juan Diaz?) for me to put him before Hopkins (unless Hopkins loses).

[theunderdog]

Kneel in front of them oh brotha! I am done with this convo considering what u just said ..I will be over here talking w/the grown ups ..:good

just another pacfanatic who won't rest until pac takes the number one spot on each and every list in boxing history

[Imperial1]

just another pacfanatic who won't rest until pac takes the number one spot on each and every list in boxing history

Exactly what I was thinking ..These nut jobs are too much .

[theunderdog]

Buddy- Did Urango beat Rabah? Did Bell beat Dale Brown? Did D-Hop beat Steve Forbes? Yes they did. They won a decision.
But this is boxing, and there is a lot of politics involved. That's why we have eyes and brains, we can actaully watch the fights. If 3 idiots score the fights wrongly you shouldn't hold it against the fighter. I guess in your book Sven Ottke is an all time great, a unified champion who never lost according to the German judges.
As for Manny, I like him a lot and he is allowed to lose. I have him at no 3 on the list, and I don't think it's a shame for him to be behind a legend like Hopkins. He needs to beat a fighter in his prime (Guzman? Juan Diaz?) for me to put him before Hopkins (unless Hopkins loses).

otke is not an atg even if he won a lot in germany because he didn't beat the toughest opposition available. you're answering bits and pieces of the discussion rather than the whole thing.