Alexander Gurov-will he win on Friday?

[Tuavale]

Alexander Gurov goes to Italy to fight Vincenzo Cantatore. Gurov has been stopped many times but he has some decent wins. My last memory of Cantatore was him getting thrashed by Wayne Braithwaite. Does Gurov have anything left? Any info or thoughts woukld be helpful.

[UKITAZ]

Its hard to tell which Gurov will turn up, he's got a high ko ratio, but then got starched in about 40 secs by Haye !!

[unitas]

both can punch..........but only cantatore has a chin.

cantatore by third round ko.

[giggigreto]

Cantatore is not that good, but he is the only italian boxer who is known by common sport fans over here. He is fighting just a few meters out of the coliseum, in the square where the arch of Constantine is located, and he will get live broadcasting from major TV channel raidue ( rai2 ). That is not on the satellite, but on free-tv, in prime time. That's what Cantatore can do in Italy.

So if there is balance in the fight, and they go to the scorecards, I think Cantatore would somehow get the nod. So Gurov has to win by KO, or completely shut out the crude Cantatore on points, like JOhnny Nelson did a year ago or so..

[BigEars]

Its hard to tell which Gurov will turn up, he's got a high ko ratio, but then got starched in about 40 secs by Haye !!

Ya but the reason he got starched by Haye is because his chin is poor and Haye can really punch .

I fancy Cantatore to stop him but a Gurov win certainly isn't out of the equation , I assume Gurov still has his punch and Cantatore is a bit plodding and can be caught so you never know .

Still I'm gonna predict a stoppage in around 9/10 for Cantatore .

[Odo]

Alexander Gurov goes to Italy to fight Vincenzo Cantatore. Gurov has been stopped many times but he has some decent wins. My last memory of Cantatore was him getting thrashed by Wayne Braithwaite. Does Gurov have anything left? Any info or thoughts woukld be helpful.

Good question,tuavale! Gourov 's weak spot is his chin.Gourov can punch like a mule,and his firepower is a threat to any opponent.However,the Italian can punch ,too.
I guess the outcome of their encounter depends on who connects first with some good shots.
I cant really see this fight go the full route.Gourov had better go for the kill early.He cant win a point decision in Italy anyway!

[BigEars]

Cantatore won a MD , 116-114 , 116-114 , 114-114 .
fair decision ?

[giggigreto]

nope, i was there.
Gurov won the first 7 rounds easily, Cantatore just grabbed and the occasional counterpunch.
in the last 2 rounds Gurov had gassed out and was seriously in danger of being knocked out, but so was Cantatore in round 4 and 6.
Cantatore is a very clumsy boxer, he jumps forward and tends to impact with his head a bit too much. And he clinches way too much, he wouldn't be allowed to do so outside of Italy

[jont]

cn anyone tell us how the fight went down--any big punches?
what would an objective score have been like--How did Gurov Look like was he shot?

[Odo]

Cantatore won a MD , 116-114 , 116-114 , 114-114 .
fair decision ?

It seemed to be a very close fight then!
Anyone seen that fight apart from giggigreto?

[Fitir]

I am also interested. I thought Gurov was past it but this result seems to prove Cantatore is not far better at this stage of their career. The EBU title can be a key for a shot at a world belt but in this case they won't go further imo. How did Cantatore look ? What was his plan and was Gurov really good this time ? Did he use the plan he had against Mormeck to keep his chin out of trouble (jab, very high workrate, clinches) ? What would be Cantatore's chances against other CW you watched recently ?

[giggigreto]

I am also interested. I thought Gurov was past it but this result seems to prove Cantatore is not far better at this stage of their career. The EBU title can be a key for a shot at a world belt but in this case they won't go further imo. How did Cantatore look ? What was his plan and was Gurov really good this time ? Did he use the plan he had against Mormeck to keep his chin out of trouble (jab, very high workrate, clinches) ? What would be Cantatore's chances against other CW you watched recently ?

I summarized the fight in my previous post. Cantatore grabbed too much, he threw an haymaker and then--->clinch! He was backed up to the ropes by Gurov who was stronger, and dominated the fight until round 8. I thought around the 3 round that Gurov would win by KO. After round 8 Gurov runned out of gas, and in the last 2 rounds he too grabbed to survive the late rush of Cantatore. It was only the second time, I think, that Gurov made all the 12 assaults.
The most generous I can be towards Cantatore is by giving him the last 5 rounds. But that is debatable, as there was balance in some of those rounds.
Gurov was effective with his left and his good timing throwing 1-2s in the beginning of the fight.
These guys were considered big hitters, but, they tagged each other with clean shots on the chin throughout the fight, yet no knockdown. When someone was in trouble, there was a clinch :(

[Fitir]

OK thanks for the analysis. It was clear before the fight that Gurov wouldn't be a force in the division anymore but it's the same for Cantatore...
Cantatore can still be a very good test for a prospect though, beating him in Italy won't be easy. Monrose is ranked 4 by the EBU but Haye, Diablo and Arslan who are ranked 1-2-3 won't be interested so Monrose vs Cantatore is likely to happen next.

[BigEars]

If it looks like Cantatore is past it then he could very well be Maccarinelli's next opponent after Braithwaite(if Enzo can get through his hardest test so far) . It would be hard for Cantatore as such a match up would surely take place in the UK and he'd probably have to knock Enzo out .

[giggigreto]

Cantatore can fight whoever he wants in Italy, he has the right connections and can appear on free national television at prime-time.
I think he can force Maccarinelli to come to Rome as he forced Nelson, to do an all italian showdown or something on that line

[jont]

So how would Gurov fare against any of the other champs like Cunningham ,the Polish guys Adamek and Woliak...?? who lost to Cunningham or Maccirennili? If Cantatore really lost does he know get a chance to fight for a title?

[boxexpert]

gurov got knocked out a few times,he is over (the hill). he will probably lose

[giggigreto]

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here is all you wanna know!!!
and yes, cantatore is that terrible
gurov won this

[Luigi1985]

I read an article from this clown who said that Andrade beat Kessler, forget this clown... :lol:

That´s completely bullshit, Gurov gassed out after 5 rounds and than Cantatore won at least 5 rounds (the fist rounds won Gurov handily, later there were close rounds, you can give them Vincenzo or Alexander), but that Cantatore should have won only 1 round is biased, watch the fight and judge yourself...

[giggigreto]

I was there
If not for his excessive holding, Cantatore would have been knocked out inside three, if Gurov was allowed to box.
I had 9-3 for Gurov, he won the first 7 rounds hands down, at least !!!

[Luigi1985]

I was there
If not for his excessive holding, Cantatore would have been knocked out inside three, if Gurov was allowed to box.
I had 9-3 for Gurov, he won the first 7 rounds hands down, at least !!!


I didn´t score the fight round per round, I know that Gurov won all the early rounds sure. But I know also, that he gassed out quickly (not at the 11th or so) and that Cantatore, if he would be a bit faster, could have knocked him out at multiple times, Gurov was often groggy. You said that Cantatore holded often early, but what did Gurov later? I immagine for example the 11th round where he was standing KO´d, here he was the one who holded. Giggigreto, you know it as an Italian also, Cantatore isn´t popular in Italy because of his trash-talking and because he has such a good managment and others, more talented Italian fighters not, but that´s not a reason for contorting the facts, I rooted for the reserved and sympathic Ukrainian, but my scoring is fair... ( a draw, or 1 point more for Vincenzo or 1, 2 points more for Gurov)

[giggigreto]

Luigi, I scored the first 7 rounds for Gurov, then i stopped scoring, looking for a KO, because I alrealdy knew who won on points.
The impression I got is that Cantatore was the better man in the last 2 rounds, and Gurov gassed out by the 8th. 8, 9 and 10 round are up for grabs. You can score for Cantatore if you want, the substance doesn't change.
The point is that is illegal to continuosly clinch in that way.
If the referee deducted some points from Cantatore and discouraged him from holding, Gurov would have KOed him, and we were not here talking about a debatable and controversial fight. His superiority when both guys were fresh was embarassing.
Gurov was holding when he was tired, at the end of the fight.
Cantatore clinched deliberately, as a tactic to not being knocked out, early and through the whole fight..

But you are right, Cantatore is not popular among the tiny group of boxing fans in italy, because of his habit to continuosly break the rules and be his own referee, despite the fact he is a mediocre fighter.
His manneurism a-la Rocky is disgraceful, he likes to act like a stereotypical boxer to the general public, a poser that gets all the attention other boxers much more deserve, just by being the big clown that he is imitating rocky balboa...
He bends the rules at his own will, because his public doesn't even have an idea what these rules are

[Luigi1985]

Luigi, I scored the first 7 rounds for Gurov, then i stopped scoring, looking for a KO, because I alrealdy knew who won on points.
The impression I got is that Cantatore was the better man in the last 2 rounds, and Gurov gassed out by the 8th. 8, 9 and 10 round are up for grabs. You can score for Cantatore if you want, the substance doesn't change.
The point is that is illegal to continuosly clinch in that way.
If the referee deducted some points from Cantatore and discouraged him from holding, Gurov would have KOed him, and we were not here talking about a debatable and controversial fight. His superiority when both guys were fresh was embarassing.
Gurov was holding when he was tired, at the end of the fight.
Cantatore clinched deliberately, as a tactic to not being knocked out, early and through the whole fight..

But you are right, Cantatore is not popular among the tiny group of boxing fans in italy, because of his habit to continuosly break the rules and be his own referee, despite the fact he is a mediocre fighter.
His manneurism a-la Rocky is disgraceful, he likes to act like a stereotypical boxer to the general public, a poser that gets all the attention other boxers much more deserve, just by being the big clown that he is imitating rocky balboa...
He bends the rules at his own will, because his public doesn't even have an idea what these rules are


Exactly, I agree with you, I don´t like him,too (all his hyperbolical parols, etc. :lol: ) but my point was just, that if he should have been warned for holding you could have done the same with Gurov later (but you´re right, all in all, Vincenzo holded longer and much more), this fight was close, but it was far away from a robbery or so...

[Odo]

Sounds as if Gourov's fight against Cantatore proved me right.Very difficult to win a point decision for a foreigner in Italy.

[NBT]

I'm sure had the fight been staged in Germany you would cry robbery all over the place, Luigi. :yep

[Luigi1985]

I'm sure had the fight been staged in Germany you would cry robbery all over the place, Luigi. :yep


A robbery is, when a fighter did enough to win a decision with more than 3 or 4 points IMO. This wasn´t here the case, it´s normal that in such a close fight the fighter in his homecountry wins, although I don´t think it´s good and fair. But you can´t compare Italy with Germany for example, so just STFU, a murderer can´t call a thief a criminal, you get what I mean?

[giggigreto]

I think in italy, germany, france the people who really understand boxing are very few, so it's easy to silence an hometown decision, because it's either that, home-fighter being over protected, or no boxing shows. The promoters and managers can freely protect their interests and investments on hometown boxers, because there is no one who is able to generate a scandal or just protect the interests of the foreign fighters.
In football, when in a game there is a bad referee decision, the whole nation feels outraged, and everyone knows that. In boxing, no one cares, only the fans, but they can't boycot the promoters, who are the only ones to offer the product-boxing to the public

[BigEars]

Cantatore can fight whoever he wants in Italy, he has the right connections and can appear on free national television at prime-time.
I think he can force Maccarinelli to come to Rome as he forced Nelson, to do an all italian showdown or something on that line

Nah an Enzo v Cantatore fight would be in the UK . Nelson has little fanbase and is good enough to box away from home and win , while Enzo has a big fanbase and isn't good enough to box away from home and win so Warren will keep him at home .

I'm aware Cantatore is the most popular boxer in Italy but I still don't think he'd have enough backing for a fight between them to be in Italy .

It would probably end up on one of Frank Warren's massive cards and staged in Cardiff , as the main undercard fight leading up to Joe Calzaghe or as the fight before Amir Khan v overmatched opponent .

[giggigreto]

Nah an Enzo v Cantatore fight would be in the UK . Nelson has little fanbase and is good enough to box away from home and win , while Enzo has a big fanbase and isn't good enough to box away from home and win so Warren will keep him at home .

I'm aware Cantatore is the most popular boxer in Italy but I still don't think he'd have enough backing for a fight between them to be in Italy .

It would probably end up on one of Frank Warren's massive cards and staged in Cardiff , as the main undercard fight leading up to Joe Calzaghe or as the fight before Amir Khan v overmatched opponent .

I don't know if Cantatore deems it worthy to get knocked out abroad without enjoying the grappling bonuses and bogus decisions and great final drama-queen perfomance he is entitled to in Rome.:verysad:verysad

[NBT]

A robbery is, when a fighter did enough to win a decision with more than 3 or 4 points IMO. This wasn´t here the case, it´s normal that in such a close fight the fighter in his homecountry wins, although I don´t think it´s good and fair. But you can´t compare Italy with Germany for example, so just STFU, a murderer can´t call a thief a criminal, you get what I mean?
The point is that your opinion isn't based on the actual fight, Gurov won hands down, but on other factors. If the fight would have been staged in Germany and instead of Cantatore there would have been a German-based fighter, we all know how you would have reacted, you know what I mean? And I just wonder who the murderer and who the thief is... :lol: