How does Wlad-Peter II play out?

[Slothrop]

Wlad's looking scary and Peter has failed to impress lately.

[RUSKULL]

I think they've both improved since the last fight but most of Peter's improvement was probably because of Toney's decline. Wlad has improved to a point where he hardly even needs to clinch at all, see his fights vs. Byrd, Brock, Austin & Brewster. Instead he relies on his jab and solid footwork, and by mixing in some heavy shots to discourage anyone from coming forward in the first place.

[Slothrop]

Nobody taking the Nigerian Nightmare?

[Mr "T"]

Nobody taking the Nigerian Nightmare?
I thought Wlad fought scared in their fight: turning his head,welcoming rabbit punches which dis-oriented him thruout. The reason Wlad won this fight was because of his suberb conditioning- had he not had that ,Peter out-works him and stops him. Wlad's a bad dude right now.

[thesandman]

Wlad wins either UD or late KO.

Keeps a frustrated Peter at the end of a long jab all night. Either takes the points, or an exhausted Peter goes down and stays down late.

[swedeone]

I think Sam finally lands a good power shot and Wlad crumbles to the canvas. Yes, I am a fan and ralize that Wlad could certainly hurt Sam as well. :yep


Peter by TKO, round 8

[Musashi]

Pretty much the same as their first fight, just with fewer knockdowns.

This may sound strange, but I think the improved boxing that Sam has demonstrated will work to his disadvantage. Sheer aggression helped keep Klitschko from unloading on him in their first fight. His power, reckless as it was, forced Wlad to box and not go for the KO. However, while his jab and footwork are improved, they are still a step or two (or three) below Wlad's. He would get pummeled if he tried to jab and box with a faster, taller man. His new boxing abilities worked against a shorter, slower, unprepared Toney. But, not against the best fighter in the division.

Having said that, I doubt Wlad knocks Peter out. Peter has an unbelievable chin, and good stamina. And Wlad will still be weary of his power, and probably spend the first half of the fight just jabbing and moving. Enough to stop a faded, rusty, past-his-prime Brewster, but not a healthy, strong, immensely durable 26 year old Sam Peter.

Wlad by UD. Think a slightly more exciting version of Lewis-Tua. Maybe a few nervous moments for Wlad, possibly even a knockdown, but Wlad appears to be a much more composed and confident fighter these days.

[Hrak]

Wlad should take it again, dont forget, Sam took a heavy beating in their last fight, you cant take too many of those and expect to be the same. However, Peter is still young and will see where his standing after the Maskaev fight.

[Hrak]

Pretty much the same as their first fight, just with fewer knockdowns.

This may sound strange, but I think the improved boxing that Sam has demonstrated will work to his disadvantage. Sheer aggression helped keep Klitschko from unloading on him in their first fight. His power, reckless as it was, forced Wlad to box and not go for the KO. However, while his jab and footwork are improved, they are still a step or two (or three) below Wlad's. He would get pummeled if he tried to jab and box with a faster, taller man. His new boxing abilities worked against a shorter, slower, unprepared Toney. But, not against the best fighter in the division.

Having said that, I doubt Wlad knocks Peter out. Peter has an unbelievable chin, and good stamina. And Wlad will still be weary of his power, and probably spend the first half of the fight just jabbing and moving. Enough to stop a faded, rusty, past-his-prime Brewster, but not a healthy, strong, immensely durable 26 year old Sam Peter.

Wlad by UD. Think a slightly more exciting version of Lewis-Tua. Maybe a few nervous moments for Wlad, possibly even a knockdown, but Wlad appears to be a much more composed and confident fighter these days.
Good observation..I would agree.

[2smart4u]

Pretty much the same as their first fight, just with fewer knockdowns.

This may sound strange, but I think the improved boxing that Sam has demonstrated will work to his disadvantage. Sheer aggression helped keep Klitschko from unloading on him in their first fight. His power, reckless as it was, forced Wlad to box and not go for the KO. However, while his jab and footwork are improved, they are still a step or two (or three) below Wlad's. He would get pummeled if he tried to jab and box with a faster, taller man. His new boxing abilities worked against a shorter, slower, unprepared Toney. But, not against the best fighter in the division.

Having said that, I doubt Wlad knocks Peter out. Peter has an unbelievable chin, and good stamina. And Wlad will still be weary of his power, and probably spend the first half of the fight just jabbing and moving. Enough to stop a faded, rusty, past-his-prime Brewster, but not a healthy, strong, immensely durable 26 year old Sam Peter.

Wlad by UD. Think a slightly more exciting version of Lewis-Tua. Maybe a few nervous moments for Wlad, possibly even a knockdown, but Wlad appears to be a much more composed and confident fighter these days.:good good post but i think a weary PETER get starched next time !

[Ambition_Def]

No way does Waldo get another ref who lets him abuse the clinch. They will prepare for that this time.

Sam by knockout in 8-10 rounds.

[Zakman]

A green Peter almost had him out of there - today's improved version finishes the job.

[Amsterdam]

A green Peter almost had him out of there - today's improved version finishes the job.

I agree, can't wait for Peter to stop his next opponent also, we need Peter back in action.

[2smart4u]

:D VLAD executes him this time ! And shockingly easy ! :bbb

[Heavyrighthand]

I think the only variable would be if Wlad could drop Peter, or not.

Wlad would win, but how dramatic the ending would be is what I wonder about. I think it would probably end by the ref seeing Peter has had enough, and waving it off, late.

Young Klit is too big, strong, fast, and skilled for Peter to beat.

[Shpion]

Pretty much the same as their first fight, just with fewer knockdowns.

This may sound strange, but I think the improved boxing that Sam has demonstrated will work to his disadvantage. Sheer aggression helped keep Klitschko from unloading on him in their first fight. His power, reckless as it was, forced Wlad to box and not go for the KO. However, while his jab and footwork are improved, they are still a step or two (or three) below Wlad's. He would get pummeled if he tried to jab and box with a faster, taller man. His new boxing abilities worked against a shorter, slower, unprepared Toney. But, not against the best fighter in the division.

Having said that, I doubt Wlad knocks Peter out. Peter has an unbelievable chin, and good stamina. And Wlad will still be weary of his power, and probably spend the first half of the fight just jabbing and moving. Enough to stop a faded, rusty, past-his-prime Brewster, but not a healthy, strong, immensely durable 26 year old Sam Peter.

Wlad by UD. Think a slightly more exciting version of Lewis-Tua. Maybe a few nervous moments for Wlad, possibly even a knockdown, but Wlad appears to be a much more composed and confident fighter these days.

This is a very good assesment. Nevertheless, I doubt we will see the rematch. Vitaly (assuming in good fighting shape) will take Peter apart when they fight for the wbc belt.

[Sweet Scientist]

This is a really interesting thread. When you read people voicing their opinions, you almost always see Wlad being talked down and Peter being talked up, but the numbers don't lie. People are picking Wlad to win a rematch over peter at a rate of about 25:1.

That's the truth.

[MagnificentMatt]

Wlad's looking scary and Peter has failed to impress lately.

Failed to impress...Sam Peter look awesome in his rematch with JT..Of course Wlad looks better everytime he steps into the ring so who knows...like ive said before, i think Peters best shot at beating Wlad is to hail mary like he used to instead of using his new found "skills"....:-)

[Shpion]

Failed to impress...Sam Peter look awesome in his rematch with JT..Of course Wlad looks better everytime he steps into the ring so who knows...like ive said before, i think Peters best shot at beating Wlad is to hail mary like he used to instead of using his new found "skills"....:-)

Danny Batchelder looked pretty good against Toney too.

[Stimulant]

Peter will knock that cracka the fuck out in a rematch.

[MagnificentMatt]

Peter will knock that cracka the fuck out in a rematch.

Yeah....of course he will, because after 3 lucky rabbit punch knockdowns in the first fight he kept him down...

[paulfv]

Wlad will KO Peter this time. That punch that wobbled Peter in the 12th round last fight would come in about the 9th round, and be followed by about 3 more punches to drop Peter for the count

[Slothrop]

Failed to impress...Sam Peter look awesome in his rematch with JT..Of course Wlad looks better everytime he steps into the ring so who knows...like ive said before, i think Peters best shot at beating Wlad is to hail mary like he used to instead of using his new found "skills"....:-)

JT looked like dogshit.

[Ambition_Def]

People are picking Wlad to win a rematch over peter at a rate of about 25:1.

That's the truth.

This site is infested with Klitschko fanatics. The numbers mean nothing.

[Slothrop]

This site is infested with Klitschko fanatics. The numbers mean nothing.

You need to go make yourself heard in the "ESB's best avatars" thread over in the lounge.

[brooklyn1550]

Wladimir would win by decision or late TKO

[Ambition_Def]

You need to go make yourself heard in the "ESB's best avatars" thread over in the lounge.

I would but this avatar is pretty old. It is now just a remnant of the day me and Muttley put Radar in his place.

After that day he became a recluse, hidden deep within the catacombs of his mansion.

[platnumpapi]

peter is ko proof and he is alot better now then before.the fight will be much like the 1st fight.jab jab and throw the 1,2 and then clinch if peter gets on the inside.repeat the process for over 12 rds, i think wald will be very careful with peter more so then before.

peter will be a better fighter and better conditioned, so i see the fight going all 12 and wald by ud.if anyone gets koed it would be wald i would be very shock if peter gets koed early or late.

[Stimulant]

Wlad will duck Peter now, just like he ducked Toney, Briggs and now Holyfield.

[brooklyn1550]

Wlad will duck Peter now, just like he ducked Toney, Briggs and now Holyfield.

Wlad ducked James Toney:huh

[Slothrop]

I would but this avatar is pretty old. It is now just a remnant of the day me and Muttley put Radar in his place.

After that day he became a recluse, hidden deep within the catacombs of his mansion.

:lol:

He may well have eaten himself to death by now.

[Stimulant]

Wlad ducked James Toney:huh

Oh pleaseeeeee

Don't act like this is news to you. :deal:deal:deal

[KillerInstinct]

This site is infested with Klitschko fanatics. The numbers mean nothing.

There is also a fair # of Klitschko haters..so yeah, the numbers do mean something pal.

Yeah, if Peter lands the money punch and KO's Klitschko straight..he wins..but I am so sick of people saying that. Klitschko EASILY defeated Peter..it's ridiculous. 2 rabbit punch KD's and 1 legit KD (I think in the 10th) and Peter still lost 114-111. Wlad easily ********* Sam other than those 3 knockdowns, and I hear all this crap about how Sam has improved..ye alright, James Toney and Wladimir Klitschko..kinda different fighters. Klitschko by a ridicuousily easy decision.

[brooklyn1550]

Oh pleaseeeeee

Don't act like this is news to you. :deal:deal:deal

What would Wlad have to fear with Toney? Wlad would jab the living shit out of little James who wouldn't be able to get inside or land his counter rights after the shoulder roll. If any matchup is a nightmare for James, its Wlad.

[platnumpapi]

Wlad will duck Peter now, just like he ducked Toney, Briggs and now Holyfield.

:huh :-(

[Stimulant]

What would Wlad have to fear with Toney? Wlad would jab the living shit out of little James who wouldn't be able to get inside or land his counter rights after the shoulder roll. If any matchup is a nightmare for James, its Wlad.

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

Toney would slip and frustrate that robot all NIGHT to a wide UD win :bbb:deal

[brooklyn1550]

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

Toney would slip and frustrate that robot all NIGHT to a wide UD win :bbb:deal

Just like he did with Samuel Peter right?

[Scar]

I'd love to see Peter avenge the first loss but it isn't likely in my opinion. Klitschko has improved A LOT since the first fight and is still improving, expect Klitschko to stop Peter this time or win another decision(if Peter is still able to take the same bombs again).

[dragosuhail]

i think the klitschko haters are more delusional than the klitscko fans.

already seen two perfect examples in this thread. wlad will DUCK peter? the same peter he outclassed aside from one legit knock down round?

and even MORE comical. wlad ducked toney? toney ko'ed holyfield who is DONE as a real threat in the division. aside from that toney cannot hurt ANYONE.

wladimir is chris byrd's worst nightmare. and the reason mainly is because chris has pitty patter power. toney's power is EVEN LESS than chris byrd. and his reach and height EVEN LESS than byrd's...

my god. it would be the first fight toney loses by ko. wladimir goes to town on guys when he doesn't have to worry about power shots in return. wlad believe it or not has excellent stamina compared to the obese old roided middleweight.

toney will duck a few shots until wladimr figures him out. which wont take long due to all the physical advantages he will have. then i envision he will throw lots of jabs until toney slows down and ko's him with a couple left hooks. toney will try his darnest to avoid the right hand only to get laid the FUCK out by the hook.

toney was hurt by peter who only landed a few times. wladimir will land FAAAAAR more often and wont tire like peter. ko by wladimir in any round after the 1st. :deal

[brooklyn1550]

i think the klitschko haters are more delusional than the klitscko fans.

already seen two perfect examples in this thread. wlad will DUCK peter? the same peter he outclassed aside from one legit knock down round?

and even MORE comical. wlad ducked toney? toney ko'ed holyfield who is DONE as a real threat in the division. aside from that toney cannot hurt ANYONE.

wladimir is chris byrd's worst nightmare. and the reason mainly is because chris has pitty patter power. toney's power is EVEN LESS than chris byrd. and his reach and height EVEN LESS than byrd's...

my god. it would be the first fight toney loses by ko. wladimir goes to town on guys when he doesn't have to worry about power shots in return. wlad believe it or not has excellent stamina compared to the obese old roided middleweight.

toney will duck a few shots until wladimr figures him out. which wont take long due to all the physical advantages he will have. then i envision he will throw lots of jabs until toney slows down and ko's him with a couple left hooks. toney will try his darnest to avoid the right hand only to get laid the FUCK out by the hook.

toney was hurt by peter who only landed a few times. wladimir will land FAAAAAR more often and wont tire like peter. ko by wladimir in any round after the 1st. :deal

Thank you:happy

[Sweden]

Wlad has proven that he is willing to take on anyone, punchers (Brewster, Peter, Sanders), slick boxers (Byrd), prospects (Brock) and mandatories (Austin) and tough veterans (Botha, Mercer). What more can you ask?

To claim that Wlad is ducking people is plain stupid. Toney and Holyfield would be shredded to pieces against Wlad. And no one wants to se that happening.

[madpup]

I think Wlad will move and jab for about first 5 to 6 rounds, using Peter's head as a puncing bag. I think Peter has even less chance to land on Wlad with his new found 'skills', he will resort to throwing wild punches after 2 rounds, hoping to KO Wlad, but will fail. Then Wlad will start unloading some 1-2 combinations on Peter, hurting him severely. Peter may last 12 rounds though, due to his incredibly strong punch resistance. I think WLAD will win every round, 10 at least.

To me there is no doubt that Wlad will get KO'd at some point, just not by a boxer with such crude boxing skills as Peter.

[1lehudson]

Peter can learn a ton from the first fight, and in the rematch I think that he will finish Wlad. It seemed that Peter hurt Wlad with every shot that he landed flush and was reduced to throwing one shot at a time. In a rematch I see peter putting a couple together and Wlad will be left watching the lights.

[Dostoevsky]

I actually hope that Wladimir fights Toney, So Wlad can beat the utter shit out of the obese tub of lard.


Onto the Wlad-Peter fight.
Wlad wins by a WIDE UD

One, of the largest most naturally talented heavyweights ever, against a lumbering slow, and sloppy punching fighter, not to mention a fighter Wlad's already beaten...hmm.....lets think about this!
Wlad brutally destroys Peter and busting him up. Only Peters iron chin would save him from a humiliating KO.
It would be Lacy/Calzaghe one-sidedness.

[Stewbear]

I never got the whole hype after the second Toney fight Peter still looked shite skill wise and Wlad has only gotten better, and would probably still hug just as much.

[Rudolph]

When interviewed before the second Brewster-Wlad match Lamon was asked a question: "You had to take so much punishment before you actually had a chance to connect with your punches. Do you think you can overcome that kind of beating to turn the fight around again?"

Brewster answered: "I won't need to, because my defense will be much, much better".

He was right. Thanks to McGirt Brewster's defense really was a lot better than in the first fight. Sure, he couldn't avoid the jab, but look who's jab that is! Sometimes it seems like its lazer guided or something. But at least Brewster held his right glove high up covering the side of his head completely to protect himself from the left hook, and he was also always on alert for that right hand, twisting at the waste every time a right cross was coming his way. In this way he managed to block a large number of Wlad's left hooks and he only got nailed cleanly with the right hand once, in the 5th round, when he stumbled backwords into the ropes. So yeah, Brewster was right - his defense was much better than in the first fight. But it didn't get the job done.

Now to Peter's improvements. What that includes is ironically better defense, a slightly better footwork and a jab.

See where I'm heading?

Peter doesn't beat Klitschko with his skills. He must train for a very physical fight and bull-rush and wrestle Wlad relentlessly. That's the only way.

[Orang-Utan Jim]

Interesting. About 90% think Klits gonna win vs. the more or less official Nr.2 in the division. Nevertheless Klit is a bum for more then 10% of the people.

[ChrisPontius]

This would be the most exciting heavyweight fight at the moment for me.

Both have improved. I think Wlad will win another UD. You can never count Peter out with his power and iron chin (he took some sick shots in their first fight), but altogether, i think Wlad will keep his composure and impose his will on Peter even more, like he did against Brewster. He will go into this fight fully confident, which may not have been the case the first time.

[Slothrop]

Interesting. About 90% think Klits gonna win vs. the more or less official Nr.2 in the division. Nevertheless Klit is a bum for more then 10% of the people.

This is interesting. Klt's stock has really gone up here, in spite of all the hate.

[markclow]

I think it is a pick 'em fight, just like the first one.

[Heavyrighthand]

Wlad will KO Peter this time. That punch that wobbled Peter in the 12th round last fight would come in about the 9th round, and be followed by about 3 more punches to drop Peter for the count

Yeah, I think after taking his last few opponents apart like they were rag dolls, and especially after easily beating Brewster in their remtach................I think Wlad is now overflowing with confidence, and if he gets Peter hurt like that again, I don't think Wlad will play it safe and stand back and allow him time to recover as he did in the first fight. I think Wlad is now confident and more aggressive, and will probably follow up on the damaging shot, and finish Peter off. :good

[Butch Coolidge]

Peter may finally be DQed for rabbit punches.

[MachineGunMitch]

peter lays out klit in 6 rounds.....

honestly peter should be fighting more and staying active
why I have no idea

[RUSKULL]

Wlad will duck Peter now, just like he ducked Toney, Briggs and now Holyfield.

:rofl

[Shotgun]

Wlad would beat Peter even more decisively this time around, probably by a late TKO.

For all this talk of Peter's improvement, I just don't see it. I thought he lost the first fight to Toney, and in the rematch I didn't see it as a case of Peter showing remarkable improvement, more that Toney looked shot to pieces, his reflexes totally gone. Toney being shot was backed up by his awful performance against a journeyman in his next fight

Wlad's confidence and technique have just been growing and growing. Sam Peter is currently the most overrated boxer in this division, his power is good but it's not special. He still has no defense and most of his punches are still wide and looping. People saying if they have a ref who won't let Wlad hold, he's done. How about saying if they have a ref who doesn't allow Peter to get away with repeated rabbit punches? Wlad won't need to clinch as much because his confidence and his footwork has improved greatly since their first fight. Peter's only hope is a KO, Wlad can outbox him or can knock Peter out.

Peter isn't going to throw anything at Wlad that Wlad didn't see the first time around. Meanwhile, Peter will see a looser, more confident, more dominant opponent than the one who already decisively beat him in the first fight

[Dostoevsky]

peter lays out klit in 6 rounds.....

honestly peter should be fighting more and staying active
why I have no idea

You know, that is a very good point, Wlad is not very active at all, only two fights the last few years!

hes only 31, surely he could squeeze in at least 4.
He's already a millionaire but does he want to establish his legacy or not?
he needs to fight more regularly!

[MagnaNasakki]

Wlad obliterates Peter again. He's improved far more that Peter has, and he was outta Peter's league the first time.

Wlad by astonishingly easy TKO victory,, around the 8th. I think the best chance that anybody has against Wlad right now, would be Chagaev and Ibragimov. And I think they have solid shotss, but honestly, Wlad is the #1 heavyweight for a reason. He defeats everybody out there, in my opinion, until the next generation comes of age.

[Bazooka]

Wlad's looking scary and Peter has failed to impress lately.

What the fuck are you talking about Failed to impress, he just beat the shit out of James Toney twice, TWICE who you all called the most skilled Heavyweight in the sport and Peter out boxed his ass.
Wlads improvements where and have been against soft opposition including Brewster who only had one eye going into their rematch.
Peter takes the cake this time, he has shown improvement While Manny Stewart has been having Klitschko feast on dead guys.

[Rock0052]

You know, that is a very good point, Wlad is not very active at all, only two fights the last few years!

hes only 31, surely he could squeeze in at least 4.
He's already a millionaire but does he want to establish his legacy or not?
he needs to fight more regularly!

I think he was talking about Peter needing to fight more often, which I agree with...then again, if I were getting 7 figure checks to step aside and wait for a title shot, I wouldn't be too active either. :lol:

[Sakura]

What the fuck are you talking about Failed to impress, he just beat the shit out of James Toney twice, TWICE who you all called the most skilled Heavyweight in the sport and Peter out boxed his ass.
Wlads improvements where and have been against soft opposition including Brewster who only had one eye going into their rematch.
Peter takes the cake this time, he has shown improvement While Manny Stewart has been having Klitschko feast on dead guys.

Toney never been most skilled heavyweight and never will be.:patsch

So tell me who wlad should fight next?

[Marquito_666]

Peter has a punchers chance,nothing more!

He hasn´t done shit besides beating Toney, who´s a never been in the HW division.

For you who said Klitschko ducked Toney and Briggs, try again, actually it was the other way around.

[Marquito_666]

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[Thread Stealer]

This may sound strange, but I think the improved boxing that Sam has demonstrated will work to his disadvantage. Sheer aggression helped keep Klitschko from unloading on him in their first fight. His power, reckless as it was, forced Wlad to box and not go for the KO. However, while his jab and footwork are improved, they are still a step or two (or three) below Wlad's. He would get pummeled if he tried to jab and box with a faster, taller man. His new boxing abilities worked against a shorter, slower, unprepared Toney. But, not against the best fighter in the division.


I agree with this.

[Bazooka]

Toney never been most skilled heavyweight and never will be.:patsch

So tell me who wlad should fight next?

This is not what all of the Media experts said prior to Tonys first fight with Peter so be real.

[2smart4u]

What the fuck are you talking about Failed to impress, he just beat the shit out of James Toney twice, TWICE who you all called the most skilled Heavyweight in the sport and Peter out boxed his ass.
Wlads improvements where and have been against soft opposition including Brewster who only had one eye going into their rematch.
Peter takes the cake this time, he has shown improvement While Manny Stewart has been having Klitschko feast on dead guys.:D I told you VLAD would take care of BREW and do it easy ! Mark my words ! VLAD stops PETER and shocks the boxing world with the ease he does it ! :deal

[Sakura]

Media experts maybe say, but people who live in the real world saw that his only grown up middleweight in heavyweight division. Altought, peter is so average about his boxing skills that odds might have been easily Toney's side.

Peter chance are try to fight as dirty as possible and get one lucky punch in

[Bazooka]

:D I told you VLAD would take care of BREW and do it easy ! Mark my words ! VLAD stops PETER and shocks the boxing world with the ease he does it ! :deal

He might be able to out box Peter but it took Wlad 12 rounds before he hurt him and he was cracking Peter I will admit, However Wlad went down three times in that fight, Peter has improved anybody who says other wise is either blinded by Wlads nutsack or dont know shit about Boxing.
Wlad has improved he committs more to the jab which is what he needs to do being that big, it will be a great fight, but we havent seen Wlad really tested since his fight with Peter it will be interesting to see if he can adjust, we know Peter who just beat Toney twice, was able to make an adjustment for the rematch and beat Toney one sidedly.
I like Peter again the kid is just too damn hungry.

[Sputnik44]

Be real? everyone who thought Toney was something in this division was either trying to hype the fight or knew nothing about Boxing

toney was a joke and Peter had two chances to catch him and barely hurt him in either fight

Toney landed cleaner punches and could have won if he weren't so out of shape and out of his weight class

[Marquito_666]

I don´t think we have to worry for a rematch before Peter dismantles Maskaev and Vitaly, which I seriously doubt that he will.

I´m not that impressed by Peter at all, mediocre boxing skills, hard punch but nothing extraordinary, and then this granite chin....but that will just let him hang in there for a longer beating by Wlad. Nothing to cheer about.

[Marquito_666]

Be real? everyone who thought Toney was something in this division was either trying to hype the fight or knew nothing about Boxing

toney was a joke and Peter had two chances to catch him and barely hurt him in either fight

Toney landed cleaner punches and could have won if he weren't so out of shape and out of his weight class

Very good post...:good

[Bazooka]

its just a matter of time before it all plays out, we will see, you all know and accept the shit your talking knowing that Wlads chin is not that great

[Sakura]

I think wlads chin is average not class...more bigger affecting is stamina and his prove a lot his stamina (more sparring) and his moving is save more energy nowadays.

[Heavyrighthand]

What the fuck are you talking about Failed to impress, he just beat the shit out of James Toney twice,

So you think Peter beat the shit out of Toney in the first fight? :lol:


Wlads improvements where and have been against soft opposition .

Byrd, Brock, Austin, and Brewster were alll destroyed in grand fashion, one after the other. I don't see anything soft about Brewster, who is a monster puncher, when you let him be. Brock and Byrd are also world class heavies that were both beaten like rented mules. :good

Wlad TKOs Peter, late. Peter has a limit to how much punishment he can take and Wlad will find that limit. :good

[Bazooka]

So you think Peter beat the shit out of Toney in the first fight? :lol:




Byrd, Brock, Austin, and Brewster were alll destroyed in grand fashion, one after the other. I don't see anything soft about Brewster, who is a monster puncher, when you let him be. Brock and Byrd are also world class heavies that were both beaten like rented mules. :good

Wlad TKOs Peter, late. Peter has a limit to how much punishment he can take and Wlad will find that limit. :good

Yes Peter beat the shit out of Toney in two fights the first fight I had 8-3 and 1 even the rematch well I dont recall Toney winning a round.
Brewster is soft opposition when he only has one eye jack ass.
Byrd basicly sold his belt to Wlad, Brock wasnt ready for that fight and dont tell me you actually think Austin has skills do you?

[2smart4u]

He might be able to out box Peter but it took Wlad 12 rounds before he hurt him and he was cracking Peter I will admit, However Wlad went down three times in that fight, Peter has improved anybody who says other wise is either blinded by Wlads nutsack or dont know shit about Boxing.
Wlad has improved he committs more to the jab which is what he needs to do being that big, it will be a great fight, but we havent seen Wlad really tested since his fight with Peter it will be interesting to see if he can adjust, we know Peter who just beat Toney twice, was able to make an adjustment for the rematch and beat Toney one sidedly.
I like Peter again the kid is just too damn hungry.:smoke Tables will be turned this time ! PETER will be tentitive and VLAD will be the confedent one ! PETER will have no chance in this mode and will get stopped ! PETER took a bad beating the first time and this will be on his mind in fight 2 ! This fight wont be any more competitive then the fight with BREW ! You can mark my words ! cheers !:bbb

[El Bombasto]

Wlad KO's that fat hype-job with way overrated power

[Cruiser1]

Peter would have to solve Wladimir's jab. That's all there is to it. Well, maybe not all but it would definitely help.

[madpup]

I totally agree with several posters...Peter improvement in skills won't do shit for him..skill wise even the 'improved' Peter is nothing compared to Wlad. Peter's only chance to to swarm Wlad and get a big punch in and I think the chances of that happening are extremely remote.

[Shotgun]

Someone please tell me where Peter has made these remarkable improvements. He looked nearly identical in Toney I and Toney II. The big difference was how much worse Toney looked in the two fights. Yeah he looked a lot better against Toney in the second fight but a lot of that had to do with Toney looking completely SHOT. Look at Toney's last 4 fights

He looked mediocre against an equally mediocre Rahman. He looked good enough to arguably beat Peter in the first fight. Then he looked terrible against Peter in the rematch and terrible against the journeyman he fought in his last fight. The last four fights have not the same Toney who fought Holyfield and Ruiz, not even close

Now please outline for me how these supposed "improvements" he made, where he was fighting an overweight, immobile, 5'9", 37 year old former middleweight with fading reflexes and below average power by heavyweight standards, and them explain how these improvements going to translate to fighting a prime, 6'6" 240 pound heavyweight who has already beaten Peter and has conistently improved with every fight since then :lol:


I keep hearing the Peter crowd talk about these mysterious "improvements". What exactly are they? And what evidence is there that he's going to be able to implement them against Wlad? Or are you guys just failing to take into account that what works against a shot, much smaller opponent, might not work against a prime full blown heavyweight with the jab and the range that Wlad has

[Heavyrighthand]

Yes Peter beat the shit out of Toney in two fights the first fight I had 8-3 and 1 even the rematch well I dont recall Toney winning a round.
Brewster is soft opposition when he only has one eye jack ass.
Byrd basicly sold his belt to Wlad, Brock wasnt ready for that fight and dont tell me you actually think Austin has skills do you?

The first Toney fight was a Toney win, and the powers that be realized that, or else they would not have ordered a rematch in an eliminator, you jackass.

And Brewster was cleared and proven to be fully healed from the eye injury, 100%. He even told Merchant post fight that the eye didn't give him any problems and was not a reason for the loss.

Jackass.

[RUSKULL]

lol it was sick when james toney said sam peter had a glass chin cus he wobbled from the 'feather fistedd' klitscko

I stopped taking Toney seriously as a Heavyweight contender when he fought Booker.....................

[Bazooka]

The first Toney fight was a Toney win, and the powers that be realized that, or else they would not have ordered a rematch in an eliminator, you jackass.

And Brewster was cleared and proven to be fully healed from the eye injury, 100%. He even told Merchant post fight that the eye didn't give him any problems and was not a reason for the loss.

Jackass.

The reason the WBC ordered a rematch was because of the popular demand and the cry baby Toney fans and Media who support him, Much the way they have Given that quitter VItali Klitschko his status when he got cold feet when he was forced to fight Rahman.
if Toney beat his ass then explain why the judges didnt see it that way? and why couldnt Toney repeat in the rematch?
Brewster was cleared to fight in germany, had the fight been in the states I dont think he would have been cleared to fight, Germany is just as corrupt as any other place.
Now on to the reality of the facts, Wlad didnt dominate on the cards against Peter in their first fight, he did in rounds but not in terms of points, both men have improved, but Peter showed this improvment against a guy who knows how to box slip and move with good handspeed.
Wlad has shown his improvment against Byrd Austin and Brewster like I said the Brewster fight, we know his eye was fucked up, taking nothing away from Wlad he did what he had to do to fight, and its not Wlads fault that Brewsters eye was fucked up, Brewster wanted the fight so its his fault.
But your not going to tell me that Austin and Byrd validate him are you? a rematch with Peter will provide us with a clear picture of who the better man is and who has improved more.
when the fight happens bring it my way, I am up for a avatar bet if you are?

[Marnoff]

This may sound strange, but I think the improved boxing that Sam has demonstrated will work to his disadvantage.

Nope, not strange. I fully agree with that sentiment. If he tries to box with Klitschko, he gets pounded. He needs to go out brawling, throwing hard punches and land, coming forward.

[RUSKULL]

The poll results show the real opinion of boxing fans in general regarding Klitschko. The loud, obnoxious racists here just talk more about him. If the top champion isn't American or black, all leading heavyweights suck apparently.

Nice avatar, Peter is the Rabbit King!!! :lol:

[Heavyrighthand]

The reason the WBC ordered a rematch was because of the popular demand and the cry baby Toney fans and Media who support .............. I am up for a avatar bet if you are?

Certainly.

And everyone with eyes saw that Toney won the first fight. They don't order rematches in eliminators. But they did here cause they realized that it was a rediculous decision, and that Toney won that fight.

And no, Byrd and Austin don't validate Wlad, but them, together with Brock and Brewster certainly does. Wlad beating the last four opponets and in the very brutal way in which he manhandled them certiainly validates him and his clear dominance over the rest of the division.

Wlad would probably handle Peter about as easily as he did Brewster. I'd say the result would be very much like the Brewster rematch was.

[Bazooka]

Certainly.

And everyone with eyes saw that Toney won the first fight. They don't order rematches in eliminators unless it is something like a rediculous desicion that everyone disagrees with, as in the case of Peter Toney I. Toney won that fight.

And no, Byrd and Austin don't validate Wlad, but beating the last four opponets in the very brutal way in which he manhandled them certiainly validates him and his clear dominance over the rest of the division.

I was at the fight, and everybody in staples center didnt feel that way, everybody in my section knew Toney got his ass beat.

[2smart4u]

I was at the fight, and everybody in staples center didnt feel that way, everybody in my section knew Toney got his ass beat.:smoke Is the live perspective alot different from TV !

[Bazooka]

:smoke Is the live perspective alot different from TV !

As was the case in the Mosley De La Hoya rematch

[RUSKULL]

What the fuck are you talking about Failed to impress, he just beat the shit out of James Toney twice, TWICE who you all called the most skilled Heavyweight in the sport and Peter out boxed his ass.
Wlads improvements where and have been against soft opposition including Brewster who only had one eye going into their rematch.
Peter takes the cake this time, he has shown improvement While Manny Stewart has been having Klitschko feast on dead guys.

Many people had Toney winning the 1st fight with Peter, that's kinda why they had a 2nd eliminator.

Many people also thought Rahman had beaten Toney just before that also, so let's not make like beating either version of Toney was anything so special that it should even warrant an eliminator in the first place.

The last time Toney actually looked pretty good was when he beat Ruiz while tesing positive for steriods....................

[Ambition_Def]

94 clinches over 12 rounds KLIT-ITES. :deal

He better bring a harder jab next time, or his ass is going to sleep. No way he pulls another John Ruiz and gets away with it. Take points! :happy

[Bazooka]

Many people had Toney winning the 1st fight with Peter, that's kinda why they had a 2nd eliminator.

Many people also thought Rahman had beaten Toney just before that also, so let's not make like beating either version of Toney was anything so special that it should even warrant an eliminator in the first place.

The last time Toney actually looked pretty good was when he beat Ruiz while tesing positive for steriods....................

Like I said Many people are not the judges end of your arguement!

[Bazooka]

94 clinches over 12 rounds KLIT-ITES. :deal

He better bring a harder jab next time, or his ass is going to sleep. No way he pulls another John Ruiz and gets away with it. Take points! :happy

Exactly he fought a Ruiz style fight to get past Peter I fully expect the bitch to come out of him again in the rematch

[Shotgun]

94 clinches over 12 rounds KLIT-ITES. :deal

He better bring a harder jab next time, or his ass is going to sleep. No way he pulls another John Ruiz and gets away with it. Take points! :happy

How many blatant rabbit punches did Peter throw against Wlad and Toney without getting points deducted?

[Bazooka]

How many blatant rabbit punches did Peter throw against Wlad and Toney without getting points deducted?

True but how many times did Wlad turn his head when that happend, I know one for sure was behind the head, but the other two were not intentional.

[Shotgun]

True but how many times did Wlad turn his head when that happend, I know one for sure was behind the head, but the other two were not intentional.

It wasn't just against Wlad though. He does it in almost every fight. He threw a shitload of them against Toney. He got warned for it in the first round of the second fight and continued to it. He threw an excess of rabbit punches in both fights against Toney and they didn't take a point

So you can't really complain about Wlad holding when Peter throws rabbit punches regularly, in almost every fight he's in. One of Sam's favorite techniques in the Toney fights was to use his left hand/forearm to push Toney's head into position, especially when Toney was backed against the ropes, then bring a clubbing right shot aimed at the back of Toney's skull. He did it repeatedly in both fights

[Mr "T"]

He might be able to out box Peter but it took Wlad 12 rounds before he hurt him and he was cracking Peter I will admit, However Wlad went down three times in that fight, Peter has improved anybody who says other wise is either blinded by Wlads nutsack or dont know shit about Boxing.
Wlad has improved he committs more to the jab which is what he needs to do being that big, it will be a great fight, but we havent seen Wlad really tested since his fight with Peter it will be interesting to see if he can adjust, we know Peter who just beat Toney twice, was able to make an adjustment for the rematch and beat Toney one sidedly.
I like Peter again the kid is just too damn hungry.
Let him beat Oleg first.

[RUSKULL]

It wasn't just against Wlad though. He does it in almost every fight. He threw a shitload of them against Toney. He got warned for it in the first round of the second fight and continued to it. He threw an excess of rabbit punches in both fights against Toney and they didn't take a point

So you can't really complain about Wlad holding when Peter throws rabbit punches regularly, in almost every fight he's in. One of Sam's favorite techniques in the Toney fights was to use his left hand/forearm to push Toney's head into position, especially when Toney was backed against the ropes, then bring a clubbing right shot aimed at the back of Toney's skull. He did it repeatedly in both fights

Correct. Rabbit punches are illegal because it can hurt a fighter & it's an unfair punch where supposedly "excessive clinching" only slows a fighter down. A real boxer would never let his opponent clinch in the first place.

[2smart4u]

As was the case in the Mosley De La Hoya rematch:good

[Ambition_Def]

How many blatant rabbit punches did Peter throw against Wlad and Toney without getting points deducted?

None, zilch, zero.

Both Klitschko and Toney gave him their backs, which resulted in the so called "rabbit punches." NOTHING blatant about that.

[Shotgun]

None, zilch, zero.

Both Klitschko and Toney gave him their backs, which resulted in the so called "rabbit punches." NOTHING blatant about that.
Bull-f'n-shit :yep

If you didn't see him use his hand and forearm to push Toney's head into position for a clubbing shot aimed square at the back of the head more then once then you just didn't see it. But it happened, and not just a couple times either

[Ambition_Def]

Correct. Rabbit punches are illegal because it can hurt a fighter & it's an unfair punch where supposedly "excessive clinching" only slows a fighter down. A real boxer would never let his opponent clinch in the first place.

Incorrect. The instance Shotgun is referring to is not an illegal punch.

A rabbit punch is a punch square on the back of the head, on the cerebellum portion where the skull meets the neck.

A punch to the side of the head around the ear is NOT illegal.

There were two lone instances where Sam hit Waldo and Toney in these places. And both are easily explainable as accidental, NOT blatant.

The first being where Waldo was stunned by a big left hook in the 5th round I believe. He spun around and tried to grab Sam, but was FACING Sam as Sam threw the right hand. Then as the punch was already on it's way Waldo turned away in a collapsing fashion and caught the punch on the back of his head after he was already on the way to the canvas. FACT.

The other with Toney was with Toney on the ropes, ducking real low and putting his head down after getting rocked. Toney was a master here are trying to draw fouls. He was even warned for it in the rematch.

[Ambition_Def]

The denial is just... Mind-blowing...

Remember when Toney tied him up on the ropes (don't recall if it was the first fight or rematch) and Peter did that wind-up-monkey-with-the-cymbals clash to the back of Toney's head twice before letting out a primal yell? I guess those didn't count?

You clearly do not know what the back of the head is.

Allow me to elaborate.

The portion of the skull around the ear is NOT the back of the head. The back of the head is actually 2-3 inches beyond the back of the ear on an adult human, where the skull CURVES and shows a FOURTH side.

It's actually quite like a rounded box. You see it still has four sides. The frontal region which houses the eyeballs, nose and mouth. The left and right sides which house the ears, and then the back which is where a punch in boxing is illegal.

Thank you for listening. I sure hope it sunk in. :good

See what Wiki has to say about the rabbit punch while you are at it.

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[Shotgun]

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Fast forward to about 2:45 and watch what ensues

Now if you tell me you can't see Peter push Toney's head into position with his left, and aim multiple, downward, chopping shots at the back of Toney's head repeatedly in the next 30 seconds or so, you're either blind or don't know what you're talking about

[Deebo]

I think mirror of the first fight, minus Klit going down.

[AJAX]

I agree, can't wait for Peter to stop his next opponent also, we need Peter back in action.

That's funny if Zack said the sky was red with green dots you would agree. People talk about Peter's improvement..... from what his win over fat Ol Toney and don't forget he lost that first fight and everybody knows it that's why they made him fight Toney again.And when they fought the first time Wlad had alot of pressure on him, he had recently had his 2 brutal losses and if he would have lost to Peter he would have considered retiring. Wlad has improved way more than Peter and Wlad has more confidence now in which I'm sure at that time he douted himself.

Don't let Zack's chin obsession blind the facts. He must find it weird how a guy like Wlad with a questionable chin can be so successfull.

[Ambition_Def]

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Fast forward to about 2:45 and watch what ensues

Now if you tell me you can't see Peter push Toney's head into position with his left, and aim multiple, downward, chopping shots at the back of Toney's head repeatedly in the next 30 seconds or so, you're either blind or don't know what you're talking about

ONE, which was the punch I described above actually was on it's way and hit Toney in the back of the head. And just as I described, it was because Toney dropped so Sam only had one place to land it, the back of the head.

Every other punch upstairs landed on the ear or just behind it. Those are completely legal punches.

What you don't seem to understand is how small the window is to hit someone who turns their back on you like that and then gets real low. It's impossible to hit them without drawing a foul, which is what Toney was after.

And I feel you don't know what you are talking about. Honestly. You seem to think those punches had illegal on them when they didn't. Punches to the side of the head are NOT illegal. There was one illegal punch there and it happened to be the result of Toney dropped low enough for the punch to land on his neck.

[Ambition_Def]

So what about that double rabbit punch I mentioned? I checked and it was in the first fight and a point was deducted. It must just be another part of the conspiracy.

You're a stupid fuck and not worth the time to reply to any longer. Good day clown. :hi:

[Shotgun]

ONE, which was the punch I described above actually was on it's way and hit Toney in the back of the head. And just as I described, it was because Toney dropped so Sam only had one place to land it, the back of the head.

Every other punch upstairs landed on the ear or just behind it. Those are completely legal punches.

What you don't seem to understand is how small the window is to hit someone who turns their back on you like that and then gets real low. It's impossible to hit them without drawing a foul, which is what Toney was after.

And I feel you don't know what you are talking about. Honestly. You seem to think those punches had illegal on them when they didn't. Punches to the side of the head are NOT illegal. There was one illegal punch there and it happened to be the result of Toney dropped low enough for the punch to land on his neck.
:roll:

I guess that's why the ref warned him about it. Toney goes low, and poor Sam can't help but use his left hand to push Toney's had in position and chop down at the back of his head

Sam just accidentally hits people with borderline-to-blatant rabbit punches in every fight, when 99% of boxers don't. It's just a coincidence, it just miraculously happens regularly every time Sam fights

[AJAX]

in Peter's defense Toney did alot of ducking down forward basically giving him nothing but the back of his head to hit.

[Ambition_Def]

:roll:

I guess that's why the ref warned him about it. Toney goes low, and poor Sam can't help but use his left hand to push Toney's had in position and chop down at the back of his head

Sam just accidentally hits people with borderline-to-blatant rabbit punches in every fight, when 99% of boxers don't. It's just a coincidence, it just miraculously happens regularly every time Sam fights

Oh so wait, now it's borderline to blatant?

Look I'm not saying he doesn't land rabbit punches. Obviously he does. Is he alone? No. Does he land them with the frequency the KLITCLUB likes to spout about? No.

Infact much of the "rabbit punch' work is actually legal work. And on a guy like James Toney it is SMART work. When a guy gives you such little room to land and you still manage to hit him it is impressive. It just so happens that the KLITCLUB cannot tell the difference between the back of the head and the side, which doesn't surprise me much.

[Shotgun]

Oh so wait, now it's borderline to blatant?

It would be pretty fucking hard to land blatant ones without landing borderline ones now wouldn't it? Especially when you throw those type of clubbing roundhouse shots regularly. He landed plenty of blatant ones and plenty of borderline ones against Toney. . He does it all the time, he did against Wlad, he did against Toney, he did it against Sykes, and Diaz, and basically everyone he fights.

Peter fanboys are always talking about how it's Wlad fanboys saying this and that about him. Even if you take the Wlad fight out of the equation entirely, Peter still routinely aims shots at the back of his opponents heads. It's his most effective punch in a lot of ways

[Alo2006]

I pick Peter, but we will really see where Peter stands as far as skill level after the Maskaev fight.

[Ambition_Def]

It would be pretty fucking hard to land blatant ones without landing borderline ones now wouldn't it? Especially when you throw those type of clubbing roundhouse shots regularly. He landed plenty of blatant ones and plenty of borderline ones against Toney. . He does it all the time, he did against Wlad, he did against Toney, he did it against Sykes, and Diaz, and basically everyone he fights.

Well I don't know you tell me. You seem to have this idea that he is gunning for the back of the head when all I see are punches placed at the side of the head on a guy who will never give you his front side.

Underlined statement: Seeing as how you bring this up yet again, I want some sort of detailed analysis as to where and when these blatant rabbit punches happened.

And for the record the Sykes knockout was a series of LEGITIMATE punches and the last caught Sykes after he was out cold on his way to the canvas. Can't help that.

Peter fanboys are always talking about how it's Wlad fanboys saying this and that about him. Even if you take the Wlad fight out of the equation entirely, Peter still routinely aims shots at the back of his opponents heads, period end of story. It's his most effective punch in a lot of ways

This nonsense always comes from the KLITCLUB. Who else would claim a little green man poisoned Waldo's legs? Who else would claim beating a string of cans cemented Vitlay's legacy?

And those punches were aimed at the side of the head, which is not the back of the head.

You do know that the human skull has 4 sides yes?

[BoxingGuru]

Easiest pick ever. Wlad fought the first fight to save stamina. He'd fight again that but now he knows he can hurt Peter, so he'd drop the fucking bomb on that behind the head motherfucker in 7 rounds.

[Shotgun]

Infact much of the "rabbit punch' work is actually legal work

Same could be said for Wlad clinching. It sure worked well for Ali and Lewis

[Ambition_Def]

Same could be said for Wlad clinching. It sure worked well for Ali and Lewis

Clinching to survive is one thing. Clinching to substitute an inside strategy is completely immoral and lame.

I hated many guys for implementing this bullshit into their game and Waldo will be no different.

94 clinches over 12 rounds. ALL instigated by Waldo. One rabbit punch by Sam which could be called blatant and that is even controversial.

If DKP is on the ball Randy Newman, or any other ref who allows WWE tactics will not see this fight anywhere but ringside. I say bring Robert Byrd in. He seems to know the difference between a survival clinch and a crutch.

[Shotgun]

Underlined statement: Seeing as how you bring this up yet again, I want some sort of detailed analysis as to where and when these blatant rabbit punches happened.

How can I do that, and why should I do that, when I already provided video evidence of Peter trying to hold Toney's head in place with his left hand, followed and bring a series of chopping punches down towards the back of his skull, followed by a warning by the ref? It doesn't get much clearer or more obvious than that and you're still in denial

Go back and watch the clip from 3:10-3:15, you'll see Sam literally use a half-open left glove to push Toney's head downwards, followed by a clubbing shot at the back of his skull, just seconds after being warned by the ref for rabbit punches.

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I'm not going to bother giving a more detailed analysis than that to someone who refuses to believe what's right before their eyes on the video

[Ambition_Def]

How can I do that, and why should I do that, when I already provided video evidence of Peter trying to hold Toney's head in place with his left hand, followed and bring a series of chopping punches down towards the back of his skull, followed by a warning by the ref? It doesn't get much clearer or more obvious than that and you're still in denialvideo

I'm not in denial, you are.

How many of those punches landed on the cerebellum area? Or even the optical area?

The answer: 1

The one time James Toney was up against the ropes, ducking REAL low to obviously draw a foul.

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[thewoo]

I think that for the most part the first fight Wlad played it safe. I think that he has since realized that peter is an over rated puncher. Also at the end of their first fight he landed a left hook that nearly KO'd peter, now knowing that he can hurt peter I think that he will look for the KO and get it

[swedeone]

Wlad obliterates Peter again. He's improved far more that Peter has, and he was outta Peter's league the first time.

Wlad by astonishingly easy TKO victory,, around the 8th. I think the best chance that anybody has against Wlad right now, would be Chagaev and Ibragimov. And I think they have solid shotss, but honestly, Wlad is the #1 heavyweight for a reason. He defeats everybody out there, in my opinion, until the next generation comes of age.

"Oblitirates again"??????????????????????????????????????????

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl :rofl:rofl

What the fucc fight did you watch? :nut

The first fight was a 3 point decision for Wlad and one in which the only three semi-decent shots Peter landed ALL NIGHT knocked Wlad down. What would ever happen if he hit him with a real power shot? :think

I'll tell you...

LIGHTS OUT WLAD.

[Heavyrighthand]

I think that for the most part the first fight Wlad played it safe. I think that he has since realized that peter is an over rated puncher. Also at the end of their first fight he landed a left hook that nearly KO'd peter, now knowing that he can hurt peter I think that he will look for the KO and get it

:good

Wlad will followup that left hook in the 12th, and finish Peter off, if they ever rematch.

[Shotgun]

I'm not in denial, you are.

How many of those punches landed on the cerebellum area? Or even the optical area?

The answer: 1

The one time James Toney was up against the ropes, ducking REAL low to obviously draw a foul.



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I feel like Kevin Costner in the courtroom scene in JFK. "Back, and to the left. Back, and to the left. Back, and to the left" :patsch

His optical would be his eyes so you must mean the occipital located on the opposite side of his head, which is exactly where Peter hit/tried to hit him repeatedly.

Now again I direct you to 3:10-3:15. You clearly see Peter push Toney's head into position with the left and bring a chopping right hand down across the back of Toney's skull. If that punch doesn't land on the back of the skull/neck area I'd like to hear your explanation of just where the hell it landed

Anyone else, please feel free to watch the punch in question and chime in on where it landed. Also, watch from about 2:50-3:05, tell me whether or not it's as obvious to you as it is to me that Peter's blatantly trying to club Toney on the back of the head

DxLpJpyEOmE

[RUSKULL]

Incorrect. The instance Shotgun is referring to is not an illegal punch.

A rabbit punch is a punch square on the back of the head, on the cerebellum portion where the skull meets the neck.

A punch to the side of the head around the ear is NOT illegal.

There were two lone instances where Sam hit Waldo and Toney in these places. And both are easily explainable as accidental, NOT blatant.

The first being where Waldo was stunned by a big left hook in the 5th round I believe. He spun around and tried to grab Sam, but was FACING Sam as Sam threw the right hand. Then as the punch was already on it's way Waldo turned away in a collapsing fashion and caught the punch on the back of his head after he was already on the way to the canvas. FACT.

The other with Toney was with Toney on the ropes, ducking real low and putting his head down after getting rocked. Toney was a master here are trying to draw fouls. He was even warned for it in the rematch.

If you don't believe that Sam intentionally targets the back of the head you're mistaken. :deal

[RUSKULL]

What the fuck, you ripped my avatar off. Lame.

:lol: :rofl