Hatton wants true Greatness? Margarito has just given him a lifeline...

[brown bomber]

I really feel Hatton would have half a chance VS Margarito- the fight makes sense TV wise and I like his chances much more then against Mayweather. Hatton would have to turn back the clock a bit but a win Vs Margarito would be an incredible boost to his hall of fame credentials.

[Beeston Brawler]

Once he beats Faggi and DLH retires Pac, there would only be Tim Bradley at 140 to go after - if he doesn't lose his title in the meantime.

It would be a meeting of sherman tanks - I am not convinced his chin would hold up to the inevitable punishment. If he boxed off the back foot behind his jab ala Lennox Lewis he would have a chance, but he doesn't seem able to do that these days.

[brown bomber]

Hatton-Faggi..... money
Hatton-Bradley..... money
Hatton-Pacman...... Money/ Legacy
Hatton-De La Hoya..... Money/ Legacy
Hatton-Margarito...... Money/ Legacy

[dan-b]

Once he beats Faggi and DLH retires Pac, there would only be Tim Bradley at 140 to go after - if he doesn't lose his title in the meantime.

It would be a meeting of sherman tanks - I am not convinced his chin would hold up to the inevitable punishment. If he boxed off the back foot behind his jab ala Lennox Lewis he would have a chance, but he doesn't seem able to do that these days.

When has he ever jabbed off the back foot?:huh

I'm not sure Hatton has ever been too bothered about true greatness. He'd take this fight if it earned him more money than any other fight.

[PaddyD1983]

I dont like this match up for Hatton to be honest.

Cotto hits harder than Hatton at WW and Marg just kept on coming. Hatton as a pressure fighter might have a chance over twelve rounds, but for me only at LWW. Hatton hasnt looked impressive at WW against anyone really and I just think that Marg would be all wrong for him. I say Hatton should clean out LWW. Malignaggi, Holt and Torres before Pac.

I agree though Jeff, a win would rocket his reputation. I just dont believe, as you do, that Hatton would have that good a chance against Marg.

If this fight were to happen though, I'd book my ticket tomorrow!

[TFFP]

Are you serious man?

Hatton has ZERO chance against Margarito. He's way too big, way too strong, he'll laugh at Hatton's punches. Cotto does everything Hatton does, and a lot better.

Hatton doesn't even have a good chin at WW, he'll be finished in 5 rounds. Collazo had him all over the place, and Mayweather introduced him to the ring post.

[PaddyD1983]

Are you serious man?

Hatton has ZERO chance against Margarito. He's way too big, way too strong, he'll laugh at Hatton's punches. Cotto does everything Hatton does, and a lot better.

Hatton doesn't even have a good chin at WW, he'll be finished in 5 rounds. Collazo had him all over the place, and Mayweather introduced him to the ring post.

I hate it when I have to agree with you TFFP. Particularly when it comes to Hatton. But on this one, you are correct.

As a point of debate though - what do you think if the fight were made at LWW? I know that is never gonna happen, but just as a hypothetical question?

[kurt2006]

Money money money is what the hattons are after. Legacy means fck all to them. Legacies are built on beating recognised prime greats or giving them a good fight. To date he faced 1 such fighter in PBF and got his ass whooped. The only Margarito Hatton will face is Pizza Margarita.

[TFFP]

I hate it when I have to agree with you TFFP. Particularly when it comes to Hatton. But on this one, you are correct.

As a point of debate though - what do you think if the fight were made at LWW? I know that is never gonna happen, but just as a hypothetical question?
Margarito would be a corpse at LWW, look at the size of that motherfucker, so its impossible to imagine.

p4p wise, it would be an even fight. Margarito isn't actually a great inside fighter, most of his best work is done from mid-range, and I don't see him countering too effectively so he causes no stylistic problem for Hatton. He's probably the only guy with a worse defence than Hatton around his weight class, and is a lot slower. So p4p, I like Hatton, in reality no chance in hell.

[mike464]

Hatton doesn't want to fight anyone who can beat him. Did you ever hear of anyone else turning down De La Hoya?!

[JonOli]

Margarito is way too big and strong for Hatton.

[Beeston Brawler]

P4P they are about even - it is a good point about Margo being pretty average on the inside, and most of his best work at mid range.

To me, Hatton is exactly the same - his only chance at 147 would be a Castillo-type body shot. Trouble is, he would take a fair share himself not to mention a few huge uppercuts as well on the way in

[JonOli]

I'm not sure Hatton has ever been too bothered about true greatness. He'd take this fight if it earned him more money than any other fight.

Personally I think it's unfair to criticise Hattons choice of fights too much -post WBU days. It stands up more then well against most active boxers out there..

WBU days 37 - 0

Kostya Tszyu ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) IBF title challenge against world PFP No. 3, and HOF.

Carlos Maussa ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Light Welter WBA and IBF unification fight.

Luis Collazo ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) WBA title challenge at Welter weight

Juan Urango ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) IBF Light Welter title challenge against current Ring magazine top ten contender.

Jose Luis Castillo ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) P4p no 7, HOF.

Floyd Mayweather Jr ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) World P4P No 1, ATG, HOF, WBC welterweight challenge.

Juan Lazcano ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) IBO Light welter challenge, Ring magazine top ten
contender: comeback fight after being brutally knocked out.

Paul Malignaggi ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) IBF and IBO title challenge against Ring Magazine LWW NO 1 contender.

Manny Pacquiao P4P world NO.1, HOF, ATG.

[Beeston Brawler]

A few of his WBU fights weren't that bad.....

If they weren't WBU - i.e. ten rounders as chief support somewhere or for a 'proper' title like the European he wouldn't cop half as much stick for them as he does.

Vince Phillips
Ben Tackie
Aldo Rios
Eamon Magee

Were all decent, whilst Pep, Pendleton, Olivera would all have been decent three years previous to when they happend.

[JonOli]

Hatton doesn't want to fight anyone who can beat him. Did you ever hear of anyone else turning down De La Hoya?!

Oscar is like five ten, he would crush him. If Hatton was all about money, he would take this fight at a snap.

[Beeston Brawler]

If Hatton could stay in the fight early he would have a sniff - DLH isn't all that on the inside, and isn't as quick to pull the trigger as he used to be.

He also fades down the stretch - a Hatton SD might be on the cards.

[JonOli]

I think Oscars just too big for him. Having said that against Forbes though he didn't look too hot.

[TFFP]

Oscar would kill him. What the hell is Hatton going to do against a guy that size with his stumpy little arms? He's just going to make Oscar look good, he can keep him on the end of his jab and then counter him coming in.

[bruno's_chin]

Oscar and Marg, would destroy Hatton, their big for Welters, both hit harder than Collazo who Hatton was troubled by, if cotto & Cintron couldnt hurt Marg, and Tito couldnt hurt De La Hoya at Welter, hatton wouldnt be able to, i just see hatton head getting rocked back every time he tries to get close to carry out his body work on de la hoya, and i can see marg been too strong and just grinding hatton down (would be awesome for a few rounds though if hatton could get back to his old self)

[onourway]

A lifeline is what Hatton would be clinging on to after a fight with Margarito.

Margo would beat the shit out of Hatton, they may only be 7 pounds apart, but the size difference is incredible.

[SleazeNation]

Margarito is limited and I think he loses a Williams rematch, Mosley beats him, and even Berto could too. He would still wreck Hatton.

Prior to saturday Cotto-Hatton looked like it'd just be cruel... but I would like to see that fight now.

[BIG WORM]

you could see a prime hatton maybe hustling out a scrappy UD or SD. But hattons too predictable these days

And margaritos a tank, nothing hatton did would slow him down, id love to see hatton try and push margarito across the ring like he did to castillo lool

[TFFP]

Margarito is limited and I think he loses a Williams rematch, Mosley beats him, and even Berto could too. He would still wreck Hatton.

Prior to saturday Cotto-Hatton looked like it'd just be cruel... but I would like to see that fight now.
Not Berto, no way. He's gonna be exposed very soon. He looks like the prime candidate to not deal with pressure very well, and has a suspect chin.

[Beeston Brawler]

I would back Hatton to beat Berto, if honest. He can be outworked and is cumbersome.

Hatton vs Cotto at 140 has been a great fight for the past four years - but Ricky simply lacks the frame to be a top quality welterweight.

If he had had better nutrition earlier in his career he could have started at least 135, possibly 130.

[FLINT ISLAND]

The thing is with Hatton when he was growing up in school he was never the prettiest boy in the playground

but he didnt let that stop him

he could fight and had a talent for it

and through this skill despite being a ugly bastard from a family full of chavs he still managed to make a successful life for himself

he nabbed himself a new girlfriend - pretty Jennifer Dooley - and whislt she is only with the fat little fuck for his money - she got upset crying tears of hurt when feather fisted Mayweather sent him head first into the ring post

she will be devesated if Hatton fights Margarito cos he will get killed in this fight and it would end his career - meaning no more paydays - then Jennifer will be truly devasated and might even think of leaving him

[dan-b]

The thing is with Hatton when he was growing up in school he was never the prettiest boy in the playground

but he didnt let that stop him

he could fight and had a talent for it

and through this skill despite being a ugly bastard from a family full of chavs he still managed to make a successful life for himself

he nabbed himself a new girlfriend - pretty Jennifer Dooley - and whislt she is only with the fat little fuck for his money - she got upset crying tears of hurt when feather fisted Mayweather sent him head first into the ring post

she will be devesated if Hatton fights Margarito cos he will get killed in this fight and it would end his career - meaning no more paydays - then Jennifer will be truly devasated and might even think of leaving him

I love your little stories.:lol: :good

[Beeston Brawler]

:patsch

[HOF]

As I was watching the fight I actually thought about how Hatton would do in there and I could only see a very bloody time of it probably ending on cuts or knockout. Hatton should leave the welters alone

[scurlaruntings]

Boy id paid handsomely to see this. Hatton vs Margo would be like feeding a domestic cat to a punch of starving wolves.

[GazOC]

If Marg comes in at around 165 like they are saying for the Cotto fight then you may as watch Hatton-Pavlik or Hatton-Taylor...

[mad_hatter]

All this is a little bit silly. Some times i think hattons not even that big for a LWW so i dont know why people keep looking at WW opponents.

Marg is stupidly big. i have no idea how he's a WW and to be honest if PBF doesnt come out of retirment which is the fight id like to see as its the perfect mesh of styles. The best deffence is world boxing against a complete on slaught of a tank, i think a rematch would be fantastic. you learn the most about your self and your opponent in defeat. cotto has somthings he could work on. it wasnt all one way traffic.

As it is i dont see PBF happening or del hoya..

And as for hatton turning down oscar fact is oscar needs hatton more than hatton needs oscar. hatton is the biggest draw in world boxing despite but he's to small and unfortunatly much as i love him to limited to fight oscar. he would be soundly beat which is not a crtasisem, christ oscat fights a light middle!! So its win win for oscar, he gets to go out on top and to the biggest availible audience

[robpalmer135]

haha this thread is hilarious. if juan lazcano can hurt hatton.............whats margorito gonna do lol.

[GazOC]

Can we just let Haton see out his (pretty decent)career at 140? Its pretty obvious he'll never be a force at 147, esp. not against the bigger guys like Williams and Margo.

[hitman_hatton1]

styles wise hatton won't have to go looking and that's how he likes it.

however margo has big size advantages and is a better stayer than rick is these days.

i think hatton would have success. i think he's faster and better at picking em out.

but down the stretch i think margo gets him. :patsch

[Club Fighter]

I really feel Hatton would have half a chance VS Margarito- the fight makes sense TV wise and I like his chances much more then against Mayweather. Hatton would have to turn back the clock a bit but a win Vs Margarito would be an incredible boost to his hall of fame credentials.
Does not have HOF credentials. That will be all.

[GazOC]

Like it or not, you can bet your life on Hatton getting into the HOF.

[JonOli]

Can we just let Haton see out his (pretty decent)career at 140? Its pretty obvious he'll never be a force at 147, esp. not against the bigger guys like Williams and Margo.

I agree.

I'd take Hatton at 140. I don't think Margo would be looking too good; if he could summon the energy to walk into the ring that is.

[Club Fighter]

Like it or not, you can bet your life on Hatton getting into the HOF.
List these supposed "credentials" that will take him there.

[faisal]

margerito would turn him into the elephant man ricky would run straight into the ring post just to avoid a hammering

[faisal]

forget any of the welterweights right now if ricky fought some 1 like kedall holt or richardo torres i could seem him getting brutally sparked

[GazOC]

List these supposed "credentials" that will take him there.
Hatton will get into the HOF, whether you like the guy or not that much should be obvious.

If you want to debate whether he'll deserves that place then thats a different matter. If he retired tomorrow then he's still been the best man at 140 for 3 years, undefeated at the weight, beat Zoo (The Rings P4P number 3 at the time), JLC (The Rings P4P number 8 at the time) and been The Rings Fighter of the Year in 2005. Not first draft maybe but he'll deserve to get in second or third draft on those "credentials" IMHO.

[bigmarkd86]

[quote=FLINT ISLAND]The thing is with Hatton when he was growing up in school he was never the prettiest boy in the playground

but he didnt let that stop him

he could fight and had a talent for it

and through this skill despite being a ugly bastard from a family full of chavs he still managed to make a successful life for himself

he nabbed himself a new girlfriend - pretty Jennifer Dooley - and whislt she is only with the fat little fuck for his money - she got upset crying tears of hurt when feather fisted Mayweather sent him head first into the ring post What are you a shrink!we are basically asked an opinion about a fight(which will never happen in amillion light years anyway,this aint a plot from eastenders u clown.You dont even know ricky hatton and your dissing his family being chavs.Well their multi millionaire chavs.name one boxer in britain tht is not middle class in britain.Name onr fighter that has more supporters(good for a supposedly shot fighter!)he is working class who is just a normal guy,u need 2 stop hatin bawbag

]

[headers14]

Hatton was tiny compared to Floyd just imagine haw it would be with margo

[JonOli]

If pac fights DLH at 147 December time, which is looking increasingly likely, and wins. P4P no 1, Pac V Hatton next year at 140 would be a better shot at "Greatness"; then a match up with Margo, where he would get pummelled anyway due to the size disparity.

*Can't see how little Pac is going to beat DLH though at Welterweight. If he does (unlikely), and after totally destroying Diaz at 135; Pac would be a huge fight on for Hatton.*

[FLINT ISLAND]

[quote=FLINT ISLAND]The thing is with Hatton when he was growing up in school he was never the prettiest boy in the playground

but he didnt let that stop him

he could fight and had a talent for it

and through this skill despite being a ugly bastard from a family full of chavs he still managed to make a successful life for himself

he nabbed himself a new girlfriend - pretty Jennifer Dooley - and whislt she is only with the fat little fuck for his money - she got upset crying tears of hurt when feather fisted Mayweather sent him head first into the ring post What are you a shrink!we are basically asked an opinion about a fight(which will never happen in amillion light years anyway,this aint a plot from eastenders u clown.You dont even know ricky hatton and your dissing his family being chavs.Well their multi millionaire chavs.name one boxer in britain tht is not middle class in britain.Name onr fighter that has more supporters(good for a supposedly shot fighter!)he is working class who is just a normal guy,u need 2 stop hatin bawbag

]

:lol:

What are you getting so upset about - are you a Hatton relative or something?

First off a shrink? What the fuck as that got to do with making observations about something - its my opinon you dick head - thats what this forum is all about opinons.

No you right mate - this ain't a plot from Eastenders it's boxing real life - and I'm only too aware that Hatton will never be allowed in a ring with a monster like Margarito.

I don't even know Ricky Hatton - but I dont need too I can see he can never be accused of being a "pretty boy"

I dont know Hatton's family - but I know his father Ray is a greedy CUNT.

They are CHAV's - thats obvious - and they are proud of it.

I'm only too aware they are multi millionaires - greedy RAY HATTON has made sure that Ricky has remained a popular Fan favorite - so they all buy his sky box office fights for £14.95

The Hattons - espically dad RAY - are all about ££££££££££££££££

You can be middle class without being a chav.

Hatton as a cheap and nasty sense of humour.

Hatton takes part in shit shirt competitions.

Hattons family have mouths like a sewer.

Hatton has fry ups and beers and is a "man of the people":lol:

I'm not arguing with Hattons fans - I know he got loads of them - but being popular never made you immune from being a CUNT.

They all CHAV's from up that way though.

Michael Gomez.

Billy Graham.

all typical council estate rough uns and bad eggs.

You need to stop getting so upset - because regardless of how much you say I should not write this or that - I'm going to write what I like regardless of what you or others feel about it.

I dont hate Hattons family - I just dont warm to them.

Pherhaps I was a bit harsh saying Jennifer Dooley was only with him for the money - they just seem a odd couple - one short and gormless - one tall and pretty - when Hatton was talking about their relationship before he said they were together because they liked the same things in life - nice holidays - nice houses - money ££££££££ - there was no mention of love or a deep bond - just that Jennifer seemed to like the life Hatton could provide.

Pheraps I'm being too judgemental - it's just I dont think she would be with Ricky if he was a "regular" guy with a 9-5 job who earned minium wage.

Pheraps I'm being cyncial - maybe she does fancy him for his
"good looks"

[Raashid]

I don't even know Ricky Hatton - but I dont need too I can see he can never be accused of being a "pretty boy"

I dont know Hatton's family - but I know his father Ray is a greedy CUNT.

They are CHAV's - thats obvious - and they are proud of it.

I'm only too aware they are multi millionaires - greedy RAY HATTON has made sure that Ricky has remained a popular Fan favorite - so they all buy his sky box office fights for £14.95

The Hattons - espically dad RAY - are all about ££££££££££££££££

You can be middle class without being a chav.

Hatton as a cheap and nasty sense of humour.

Hatton takes part in shit shirt competitions.

Hattons family have mouths like a sewer.

Hatton has fry ups and beers and is a "man of the people":lol:

I'm not arguing with Hattons fans - I know he got loads of them - but being popular never made you immune from being a CUNT.

They all CHAV's from up that way though.

Michael Gomez.

Billy Graham.

all typical council estate rough uns and bad eggs.

You need to stop getting so upset - because regardless of how much you say I should not write this or that - I'm going to write what I like regardless of what you or others feel about it.

I dont hate Hattons family - I just dont warm to them.

Pherhaps I was a bit harsh saying Jennifer Dooley was only with him for the money - they just seem a odd couple - one short and gormless - one tall and pretty - when Hatton was talking about their relationship before he said they were together because they liked the same things in life - nice holidays - nice houses - money ££££££££ - there was no mention of love or a deep bond - just that Jennifer seemed to like the life Hatton could provide.

Pheraps I'm being too judgemental - it's just I dont think she would be with Ricky if he was a "regular" guy with a 9-5 job who earned minium wage.

Pheraps I'm being cyncial - maybe she does fancy him for his
"good looks"

:rofl

[achillesthegreat]

Hatton himself admitted he just doesnt need a Margo. Too big, too strong, too power and too tenacious.

[brown bomber]

[quote=bigmarkd86]

:lol:

What are you getting so upset about - are you a Hatton relative or something?

First off a shrink? What the fuck as that got to do with making observations about something - its my opinon you dick head - thats what this forum is all about opinons.

No you right mate - this ain't a plot from Eastenders it's boxing real life - and I'm only too aware that Hatton will never be allowed in a ring with a monster like Margarito.

I don't even know Ricky Hatton - but I dont need too I can see he can never be accused of being a "pretty boy"

I dont know Hatton's family - but I know his father Ray is a greedy CUNT.

They are CHAV's - thats obvious - and they are proud of it.

I'm only too aware they are multi millionaires - greedy RAY HATTON has made sure that Ricky has remained a popular Fan favorite - so they all buy his sky box office fights for £14.95

The Hattons - espically dad RAY - are all about ££££££££££££££££

You can be middle class without being a chav.

Hatton as a cheap and nasty sense of humour.

Hatton takes part in shit shirt competitions.

Hattons family have mouths like a sewer.

Hatton has fry ups and beers and is a "man of the people":lol:

I'm not arguing with Hattons fans - I know he got loads of them - but being popular never made you immune from being a CUNT.

They all CHAV's from up that way though.

Michael Gomez.

Billy Graham.

all typical council estate rough uns and bad eggs.

You need to stop getting so upset - because regardless of how much you say I should not write this or that - I'm going to write what I like regardless of what you or others feel about it.

I dont hate Hattons family - I just dont warm to them.

Pherhaps I was a bit harsh saying Jennifer Dooley was only with him for the money - they just seem a odd couple - one short and gormless - one tall and pretty - when Hatton was talking about their relationship before he said they were together because they liked the same things in life - nice holidays - nice houses - money ££££££££ - there was no mention of love or a deep bond - just that Jennifer seemed to like the life Hatton could provide.

Pheraps I'm being too judgemental - it's just I dont think she would be with Ricky if he was a "regular" guy with a 9-5 job who earned minium wage.

Pheraps I'm being cyncial - maybe she does fancy him for his
"good looks" Do you actually know what a chav is? A CHAV IS NOT A MANCUNIAN you tit. Just because someone has an accent it doesn't make them a chav. Its like me suggesting that because you talk with a welsh accent you like to have sex with animals. Your generalising about three people I know and have a great deal of respect for.

[FLINT ISLAND]

[quote=FLINT ISLAND] Do you actually know what a chav is? A CHAV IS NOT A MANCUNIAN you tit. Just because someone has an accent it doesn't make them a chav. Its like me suggesting that because you talk with a welsh accent you like to have sex with animals. Your generalising about three people I know and have a great deal of respect for.

I'm not saying a CHAV is a mancuian but I am saying that Hatton and the people around him are chavs based on what I seen of them and their sense of humour etc.

By the way - I know I'm generalising - and I probaly gone over the top - just messing about

but I will say this

three people you know and have a great deal of respect for - faie enough if you know and they your friends

first of all I think Billy Graham is rough and ready council estate - but I never said I got nothing against Billy Graham - I think the "preacher" is ok - I seen him speak alot of times and he makes alot of sense - I think he is a far more sincere person that Hatton.

Michael Gomez - good boxer - brave as they come - pheraps he is ok in real life - but I always had a negative impression on him - shoving his head up to Carl Joansberg at the weigh in - Frank Maloney said it best - Gomez is a bully. I think he is a Chav or even Gypsy type rough nut.

And as for Ricky Hatton - fair enough world class boxer at his peak - good all action fighter- but he is a CHAV - it's obvious - but I dont like him because I dont think he is sincere far from it.

And Ray Hatton is a greedy con job of a man - he talks so much shit - insulting fans intelligence about certain issues.

I'm not insulting Manchester people - I was just talking about these specific people.

[icemax]

[quote=FLINT ISLAND] A CHAV IS NOT A MANCUNIAN ...........that because you talk with a welsh accent you like to have sex with animals.

That is two of my more firmly held beliefs destroyed in one post :patsch

[Fat Joe]

I think you are going a bit over the top FLINT.

[T.C.W]

Hatton will never be true greatest because he did not beat mayweather, it when you the window when he lost that fight.

[FLINT ISLAND]

[quote=jeff thomas]

That is two of my more firmly held beliefs destroyed in one post :patsch

:lol:

[FLINT ISLAND]

I think you are going a bit over the top FLINT.

So what - so some people might get offended

The only offensive things I really said is that

Ricky Hatton is no "pretty boy" - thats obvious - he would probaly admit that

and that Jennifer Dolley "MIGHT" be with him just for his money

maybe not - maybe he would be with her if he was not a boxing champ multi millionaire

but I just think they seem a bit of a odd couple - thats just my thoughts

[Benjiabc]

I dont like this match up for Hatton to be honest.

Cotto hits harder than Hatton at WW and Marg just kept on coming. Hatton as a pressure fighter might have a chance over twelve rounds, but for me only at LWW. Hatton hasnt looked impressive at WW against anyone really and I just think that Marg would be all wrong for him. I say Hatton should clean out LWW. Malignaggi, Holt and Torres before Pac.

I agree though Jeff, a win would rocket his reputation. I just dont believe, as you do, that Hatton would have that good a chance against Marg.

If this fight were to happen though, I'd book my ticket tomorrow!


i agree with you. jeff you cant be serious, i dont think hatton stands much of a chance against marg

[brown bomber]

[quote=jeff thomas]

That is two of my more firmly held beliefs destroyed in one post :patsch :lol:

[TFFP]

Hatton in the HOF :lol:

Sad thing is it probably will happen.

[GazOC]

Hatton in the HOF :lol:

Sad thing is it probably will happen.

It will happen, that what I've been saying.

[brown bomber]

Flint - I suggest you speak to Terry D, he knows all three fairly well.... The qualities of a person can't be judged by an interview on the TV. Hatton is a quality fella, I knew him from the last year of his amateur career and he always cheered me on and remembers me- out of all the people he meets each year. Saw him 2 weeks back, he conducts himself like a gentleman always. Hyping your career to make as much money as possible is hardly a fault and its something i'm sure you'd do if in the same situation.

Billy Graham is quiet and knowlegable- so why is he a chav? Because he doesn't have model looks?

Micheal Gomez is a great lad. meet him in person and you realise he is long way off the excitable persona seen on the telly. That you've come to this assumption on the brief snippets you've seen on telly is your problem no one elses.

As for the Hatton woman situation- yes she's an attractive girl but you don't have to be Brad Pitt to get an attractive girl.

[TFFP]

It will happen, that what I've been saying.
It will be a disgrace. Should be a protest, somewhere.

[GazOC]

It will be a disgrace. Should be a protest, somewhere.

Your house?

[tliang1000]

I really feel Hatton would have half a chance VS Margarito- the fight makes sense TV wise and I like his chances much more then against Mayweather. Hatton would have to turn back the clock a bit but a win Vs Margarito would be an incredible boost to his hall of fame credentials.

Hatton would rather fight ten bums a year then take a fight with Margarito. AM will hurt Hatton bad.

[GazOC]

Hatton would rather fight ten bums a year then take a fight with Margarito. AM will hurt Hatton bad.

I can't see Margo getting down to 140.

[FLINT ISLAND]

Flint - I suggest you speak to Terry D, he knows all three fairly well.... The qualities of a person can't be judged by an interview on the TV. Hatton is a quality fella, I knew him from the last year of his amateur career and he always cheered me on and remembers me- out of all the people he meets each year. Saw him 2 weeks back, he conducts himself like a gentleman always. Hyping your career to make as much money as possible is hardly a fault and its something i'm sure you'd do if in the same situation.

Billy Graham is quiet and knowlegable- so why is he a chav? Because he doesn't have model looks?

Micheal Gomez is a great lad. meet him in person and you realise he is long way off the excitable persona seen on the telly. That you've come to this assumption on the brief snippets you've seen on telly is your problem no one elses.

As for the Hatton woman situation- yes she's an attractive girl but you don't have to be Brad Pitt to get an attractive girl.


I just feel Father Ray Hatton and fighter Ricky Hatton seem a con job

Mother Hatton seems oright

Matthew Hatton seems a bit of a funny one

Gomez spells trouble - he was convicted of manslaughter before I think - I know he killed a man in a fight in a nightclub

I got no problem with Billy Graham even if he never gonna cut it on the catwalk.

As for Hatton getting the girl - good luck to him

It's like his mate Wayne Rooney SHREK - he is like a CHAV and he got a reasonably attractive girl in Collen McCollugh -

Its true - you dont have to be Brad Pitt to be successful.

But you gotta wonder do the girls love you for you - or do they love you for all the things you got?

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[Beeston Brawler]

Wayne Rooney is a WANKER :deal

A horrendously overrated (not to mention overpaid) footballer, who couldn't hit the side of a bus for most of a season.

[FLINT ISLAND]

Wayne Rooney is a WANKER :deal

A horrendously overrated (not to mention overpaid) footballer, who couldn't hit the side of a bus for most of a season.

now who sounding like a hater Beeston:lol:

[Beeston Brawler]

I often get confused with him - that is why :lol:

I was in Leeds on a piss up once and some cunt started carrying on - if I have short hair and put on half a stone or so it could be construed that I looked like him.

But my eyes aren't as close together and I don't earn as much £££

Oh - and why would a Man Utd player dare go out in Leeds :think :lol:

[TFFP]

Your house?
I don't live in a house, a igloo :patsch

[icemax]

Wayne Rooney is a WANKER :deal

Not wanting to stereotype anyone but all Leeds fans (football and rugby league) are fuckers. If Rooney had some sort of head fuck experience and decided to sign for Scum (I mean Leeds) he would then be the greatest thing since Hovis came ready sliced, and BB and all his mates would be lining up to kiss his cock. Its true :deal :yep

[Beeston Brawler]

:patsch

Wrong - firstly, I just dislike him. Secondly, Hovis is bloody awful :lol: - like Leeds United :lol:

After I gave you credit for embarrassing us at Wembley as well! :twisted:

Last time I big your lot up :yep

[icemax]

:patsch


Last time I big your lot up :yep
No need Bro, look in the book :deal :hey :yep

[Beeston Brawler]

I don't have to - I merely complimented you on your victory.

I could have said you were jammy fucks (clearly wrong but anyway) and that I hope you go straight back down (which I don't).

We were awful, you were spot on :deal

[JonOli]

Jaded Hatton has to get though Pauli first before he thinks about a next fight anyway. He's 2/5 with the bookies - Pauli's 2/1.

[Max Molyneux]

Good lord, people still think Hatton has a chance against good enough fighters.

[Healy]

Either Margo OR Cotto decapitate Hatton

[Healy]

I really feel Hatton would have half a chance VS Margarito- the fight makes sense TV wise and I like his chances much more then against Mayweather. Hatton would have to turn back the clock a bit but a win Vs Margarito would be an incredible boost to his hall of fame credentials.
No he doesnt, he has no chance at all, never in my life am i as sure of something than that. If Margarito fought Hatton is would be ver before the 11th and thats it.

[Dubstep]

Hatton will never go up to 147 again - end thread.

If he did go and fight Margarito I would want it to be fought within 2 minutes drive of a hospital with a wing dedicated to removing blood clots from the brain.

I'm not exaggerating there - Hatton could get absolutely ruined.

[Healy]

Hatton will never go up to 147 again - end thread.

If he did go and fight Margarito I would want it to be fought within 2 minutes drive of a hospital with a wing dedicated to removing blood clots from the brain.

I'm not exaggerating there - Hatton could get absolutely ruined.
Of course he would

Lets measure things up in terms of Cotto and Hatton

-Bigger man firstly - Cotto
-Power- Even enough, give Cotto the edge
-Boxing ability- Cotto by 3 million mile
-Chin- Cotto, Hattons isn't good at 147 at least
-Stamina or ability to go 12 rounds- Cotto
-Ajustability- Cotto (can box or fight, unlike Hatton)

Basically we could go on, theres not one area that i can think of where ANYONE can say Hatton is superior to Cotto, in most areas hs way way behind him.

Hatton gets flattened by Margarito after what i saw Saturday night

Bookies would be mental to give Margo at a price of 1/3 on if it happened.

[elle]

Michael Gomez - good boxer - brave as they come - pheraps he is ok in real life - but I always had a negative impression on him - shoving his head up to Carl Joansberg at the weigh in - Frank Maloney said it best - Gomez is a bully. I think he is a Chav or even Gypsy type rough nut.


Michael Gomez career has been a bit of a rollercoaster. He has been involved in some great fights, however, I do think he has let himself (and arguably the sport) down at times.

His behaviour during the McDonagh fight was bizarre and his conduct when he lost to Johanneson (storming out of the ring and not sticking around to see his opponent declared winner) was unsporting and unprofessional in my view.

[GazOC]

Of course he would

Lets measure things up in terms of Cotto and Hatton

-Bigger man firstly - Cotto
-Power- Even enough, give Cotto the edge
-Boxing ability- Cotto by 3 million mile
-Chin- Cotto, Hattons isn't good at 147 at least
-Stamina or ability to go 12 rounds- Cotto
-Ajustability- Cotto (can box or fight, unlike Hatton)


I think Hattons style would have given him an excelent chance at 140 a couple of years ago but seeing that Hatton won't fight at 147 and Cotto can't make 140, its all a little pointless, it to say a little unfair to criticise a boxer for not being able to beat people in a higher weight class.

[icemax]

I don't have to - I merely complimented you on your victory.

I could have said you were jammy fucks (clearly wrong but anyway) and that I hope you go straight back down (which I don't).

We were awful, you were spot on :deal

Only kidding.

To be quite honest my going to Donny is more to do with fatherly love than anything else. My eldest daughter decided 4 years ago that she wanted to go and its been every other saturday since (I won't do away games). I do question my eldests taste as she is mad about ODLH and won't have a bad word said against the poser, although she has taken a shine to Michael Gomez as she thought he might spark Khan.

Other than boxing I am more of a RL man. I was born at Fitzwilliam near Pontefract so the only sport to follow was RL, and the only team to support was the mighty Featherstone Rovers...I have been a fan for 40 years through thick and thin, unfortunately more thin than thick, and try to get through as often as I can. So, if you want to take the piss you have plenty of ammo :yep :lol:

[GazOC]

Either Margo OR Cotto decapitate Hatton

I'd take Pavlik and Paul Williams over Hatton as well...:good

[TFFP]

That Bradley fella has a good chance of whoopin Hatton's ass too, but I fear Pacquiao will retire him beforehand.

[Healy]

I'd take Pavlik and Paul Williams over Hatton as well...:good
Good picks!

Are you telling me that Cotto and Hatton SHOULDNT be a fight of the future?

Cottos had about 3 fights at 147 worth talking about!

Your just conceding that Cotto would take Hatton to the cleaners, now matter when they fought

If Hatton were good enough, like Cotto, 7 fucking lbs wouldnt make or break him...loada shit mate

[brown bomber]

I think Vlad Klitschko would win too. Well done.

[TFFP]

Yeah, but we're talking mostly one weight above Hatton's best weight. Any HOF'er worth his salt can at least be competetive +7 lbs, yet Hatton looked stupid against Luis Collazo of all people. Eubank ain't in there, conceivably might not make it, yet could compete at cruiser against Carl Thompson when he was old as hell. He moved up from middle to super middle successfully.

It sums up what has been a smoke and mirrors career for me, there are a whole lot of excuses for what is essentially a brawler relying on strength and roughouse tactics, and hence he couldn't compete with top guys one division up.

[brown bomber]

TFFP with respect - you talk about smoke and mirrors with Hatton but in other threads proclaim Joe Calzaghes greatness. Joe has not beaten one great fighter in their prime in his entire career and as gr8 as his win over Lacy was it looks like its going to be forgotten due to Lacys retirement. Kessler will never amount to anythin more then a alphabet champion and Eubank and Hopkins needed a zimmer to get in the ring. Now their trying to forcefeed this Roy Jones Jnr sham down our throats.

[TFFP]

TFFP with respect - you talk about smoke and mirrors with Hatton but in other threads proclaim Joe Calzaghes greatness. Joe has not beaten one great fighter in their prime in his entire career and as gr8 as his win over Lacy was it looks like its going to be forgotten due to Lacys retirement. Kessler will never amount to anythin more then a alphabet champion and Eubank and Hopkins needed a zimmer to get in the ring. Now their trying to forcefeed this Roy Jones Jnr sham down our throats.
Kessler will amount to more than an alphabet champion, I am confident of that. I know hes not your typical type, but this guy has great fundamentals that whilst being fairly one dimensional and unimagintive are too much for some of the extremely flawed fighters surrounding him in that weight range.

Joe Calzaghe has a superior resume to Ricky Hatton, and the one time he went out of his comfort zone and put on 5lbs just like Hatton he won, and against a top fighter. Say what you like in revisionist fashion, but he beat the guy that just hammered Tarver, so he WAS the man at 175. He didn't get made to look stupid by a fringe top 10.

This is because there is a vast gulf in skill level, and Calzaghe doesn't need to cheat and brawl guys to get an advantage - its not a style that is going to fail him the first time he meets a guy that has him matched physically.

[Healy]

I think Vlad Klitschko would win too. Well done.
Any fighter that is dubed world class, best this and that, future HOF and all the rest and that CANT go up 7 lbs is an average fighter being overhyped, yes?.

[JonOli]

Hatton won the only ever title Cotto has held at 147.

I think he has only ever fought 2 people shorter then him in his 45 or so pro fights. He has no reach either. The guys a JWW.

[GazOC]

Good picks!

Are you telling me that Cotto and Hatton SHOULDNT be a fight of the future?

Cottos had about 3 fights at 147 worth talking about!

Your just conceding that Cotto would take Hatton to the cleaners, now matter when they fought

If Hatton were good enough, like Cotto, 7 fucking lbs wouldnt make or break him...loada shit mate

I'm saying Cotto won't fight at 140 and Hatton has said 2 more fights at 140 and he'll retire. so Cotto-Hatton won't happen and Hatton shouldn't be pilloried for wanting to fight at his best weight, its a perfectly reasonable stance to take.

If you look through boxing history there are plenty of examples of very good (great) boxers not being as effective when going up 7lbs (or even less in the lower divisions) in weight, its not just Hatton.

But then again, maybe people don't have an agenda against them....

[Healy]

I'm saying Cotto won't fight at 140 and Hatton has said 2 more fights at 140 and he'll retire. so Cotto-Hatton won't happen and Hatton shouldn't be pilloried for wanting to fight at his best weight, its a perfectly reasonable stance to take.

If you look through boxing history there are plenty of examples of very good (great) boxers not being as effective when going up 7lbs (or even less in the lower divisions) in weight, its not just Hatton.

But then again, maybe people don't have an agenda against them....
Its hard to justify rating Hatton as an atg or whatever you want to call him when his very last opponent at 140 may be Pacman who in turn will have moved up 30+ lbs

You get me?

Pacman is an extreme i know, but imagine if he culd/did stay at 122 lets say!!:shock:

[TFFP]

Pacquiao will beat his ass anyway, so there will be no case for ranking him a great. Great fighters that proclaim that 140 and 140 only is the weight they fight at don't get beat by former flyweights.

[bigmarkd86]

[quote=jeff thomas]

I'm not saying a CHAV is a mancuian but I am saying that Hatton and the people around him are chavs based on what I seen of them and their sense of humour etc.

By the way - I know I'm generalising - and I probaly gone over the top - just messing about

but I will say this

three people you know and have a great deal of respect for - faie enough if you know and they your friends

first of all I think Billy Graham is rough and ready council estate - but I never said I got nothing against Billy Graham - I think the "preacher" is ok - I seen him speak alot of times and he makes alot of sense - I think he is a far more sincere person that Hatton.

Michael Gomez - good boxer - brave as they come - pheraps he is ok in real life - but I always had a negative impression on him - shoving his head up to Carl Joansberg at the weigh in - Frank Maloney said it best - Gomez is a bully. I think he is a Chav or even Gypsy type rough nut.

And as for Ricky Hatton - fair enough world class boxer at his peak - good all action fighter- but he is a CHAV - it's obvious - but I dont like him because I dont think he is sincere far from it.

And Ray Hatton is a greedy con job of a man - he talks so much shit - insulting fans intelligence about certain issues.

I'm not insulting Manchester people - I was just talking about these specific people.arent most boxers from a working class family flint??i see where you are coming from with his dad,but this thread is about hatton and margo,not about his family.i do not know hatton but he seems a fairly genuine bloke and i dont see the point in taking digs at his family.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Jeff I cannot see Hatton ever beating Margarito. This is nothing to do with the victory over Cotto. Hatton himself admitted a while back years ago that Margarito was not one he was looking for to be honest. I think he is to big and strong for Hatton.

Margarito has his limitations and has always had. I favoured Cotto to win and the 1st 5/6 rounds went pretty much to plan as I envisaged. Cotto clearly had the skills and tools to win this fight but I think it was lost in fight preparation. Cotto trained as usual and did not prepare for Margarito's incessant pressure. Basically Cotto I noticed started blowing after 5 rounds. Compare PBF's preparation for a pressure monster like Hatton he got a pressure monster like Ndou to spar with him. I love Cotto as a fighter but he got gassed out.

PBF would beat Margarito as would Paul William again, Zab Judah and Clottey would have a real chance and Ajose would definitely do him as well. In fact I quite fancy Oscar De La Hoya against Margarito as well I really do.

[TFFP]

Ajose

Did I just read that? :patsch

[Fat Joe]

Ajose would definitely do him as well.

Who is this superman you keep posting about? When did he last fight and what was the result?

[icemax]

Margarito would definately have too much for Hatton. Having said that I think I saw what Jeff saw, a fighter with limited mobility and acres and acres of body for Hatton to go bombing at. I think the Mexican would be too strong for him though.

[icemax]

Who is this superman you keep posting about? When did he last fight and what was the result?

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[JonOli]

Any fighter that is dubed world class, best this and that, future HOF and all the rest and that CANT go up 7 lbs is an average fighter.

So you don't think Ken Buchanan should be in the HOF then?

[JonOli]

Ajose wants a piece of Witter; or did.

[TFFP]

Ken Buchanan never fought much above lightweight, and had he done he would have stood far more chance than Hatton. There is a good reason for this, he was not a rough house brawler that cheats/wrestles guys and loses all the advantages he has by moving up in weight. Far from it, he was a great great boxer.

[GazOC]

Its hard to justify rating Hatton as an atg or whatever you want to call him when his very last opponent at 140 may be Pacman who in turn will have moved up 30+ lbs

You get me?

Pacman is an extreme i know, but imagine if he culd/did stay at 122 lets say!!:shock:

Where have I called Hatton an ATG? He isn't. I merely said he will be inducted into the HOF in due course...

[JonOli]

The criteria being put forward by you TFFP, and Healy was that those who only box primely at one weight are not HOF worthy.

Aaron Pryors another. There are many in the HOF, who only operated at one weight.

[Healy]

So you don't think Ken Buchanan should be in the HOF then?
Bore my time if im honest, im not one of these people that dedicates myself to researching records and fights. Only being a huge fan since 2005..

All i know about him is he was a British champion that fought Duran and lost.

Thats honesty for you..:lol:

[TFFP]

Not neccessarily, its not a pre-requisite if you have enough good competition at your own weight. However, if you are a great fighter and find yourself having to go up in weight you should be able to put on 7 pounds and at least beat a FRINGE TOP TEN contender fairly easily. We aren't asking miracles here.

[JonOli]

However, if you are a great fighter and find yourself having to go up in weight you should be able to put on 7 pounds and at least beat a FRINGE TOP TEN contender fairly easily. We aren't asking miracles here.


Aaron Pryor got TKO'ed in his first outing at welter against Bobby Joe Young (31-7-1). His only ever defeat, to a guy who never won a title, and only claim to fame is beating Pryor.

[TFFP]

Aaron Pryor got TKO'ed in his first outing at welter against Bobby Joe Young (31-7-1). His only ever defeat. What, on his 3rd comeback from retirement - way to prove a point! :patsch

Hatton was supposed to be somewhere near his prime when he nearly got knocked out by the heavy hitting Collazo and scraped a debateable decision.

Ricky Hatton will never be successful boxer at anything other than a weight where he can bully and wrestle his opponent. He is lacking in skill, thats the main problem. It ain't shit to do with prime weights, Floyd Mayweather is a former junior lightweight. Pacquaio former flyweight. De La Hoya how many weights? Hopkins...Toney. Calzaghe did it recently. Eubank did it. Benn did it.

The list goes on. They had skill, not just strength.

[ishy]

Aaron Pryor got TKO'ed in his first outing at welter against Bobby Joe Young (31-7-1). His only ever defeat, to a guy who never won a title, and only claim to fame is beating Pryor.

Pryor was past it by then.

In the dressing room before this bout, Alexis Arguello showed up and greeted Pryor, and taking Pryor's head in his hands, begged him "Please don't do this Aaron" in an attempt to stop the aging Pryor from going through with this bout, but to no avail.

[JonOli]

Calzaghe did it recently.


Joe hardly looked great in his first outing at LH against the 43 yr old Hopkins did he now. Hopkins isn't even a natural LH. Your in danger of sinking your favourite boxer here with your very own new found criteria. If you place such value on weight movement; in the grand scheme of things Joe doesn't score many points at all.

[JonOli]

Pryor was past it by then.

Yes, I agree, but the point I was making is that he only fought at one weight till then. Just like Ken Buchanan did. People were stating that, that isn't really good enough to make the HOF (till the goalposts were moved).:D

[ishy]

I agree with you, moving up in weight isn't everything. Look at Hagler and Monzon and more recently Tzyu.

I'm a fan of Pryor and didn't want him discreted for losing when he was past it :D.

[TFFP]

Joe hardly looked great in his first outing at LH against the 43 yr old Hopkins did he now. Hopkins isn't even a natural LH. Your in danger of sinking your favourite boxer here with your very own new found criteria. If you place such value on weight movement; in the grand scheme of things Joe doesn't sore many points at all.
I'm in danger of doing precisely fuck all except point out the obvious to a halfwit.

Joe Calzaghe was fighting the #1 guy that schooled the lineal champion, in his first fight +7lbs above his "natural weight" - as Hatton fans like to say.

Ricky Hatton was fighting a guy that would be in the lower reaches of a top 10 holding a paper belt.

I hope you can realise the difference here.

I don't place that much emphasis on jumping weights, far from it. However it is pretty much an indictment on a guys skill level when he can't even convincingly beat a mundane top 10 guy when he's only added a few pounds and is at his peak. What are we supposed to read into that? This guy can't box, he can only outwrestle and outbrawl.

[GazOC]

Not neccessarily, its not a pre-requisite if you have enough good competition at your own weight. However, if you are a great fighter and find yourself having to go up in weight you should be able to put on 7 pounds and at least beat a FRINGE TOP TEN contender fairly easily. We aren't asking miracles here.

You're making these conditions just to suit your point, I've never heard anyone state that one of the criteria must fullfilled in order for a fighter to be considered for the HOF is that he must be able to comfortably beat a fringe contender in the next division up. Where did you get that? Bert Sugar? Nat Fleisher? :patsch

[JonOli]

OK, he looked far from great, but he came away with a UD and WBA welter weight title. Perhaps it was just an off night, fighters have off nights. I really don't think winning a welter WBA title is a point to hang Hatton on.

[TFFP]

You're making these conditions just to suit your point, I've never heard anyone state that one of the criteria must fullfilled in order for a fighter to be considered for the HOF is that he must be able to comfortably beat a fringe contender in the next division up. Where did you get that? Bert Sugar? Nat Fleisher? :patsch
It's not a criteria. It's an indictment on the level of skill that Hatton has attained, and in turn a reason why he should NOT be considered a HOF fighter under any circumstances.

[SleazeNation]

:lol: Did I used to bother replying to these posts? :nut

[GazOC]

Yes, I agree, but the point I was making is that he only fought at one weight till then. Just like Ken Buchanan did. People were stating that, that isn't really good enough to make the HOF (till the goalposts were moved).:D

Looks like they need to kick Bob Foster out of "the Hall" as well.....:lol:

[girv]

Bore my time if im honest, im not one of these people that dedicates myself to researching records and fights. Only being a huge fan since 2005..

All i know about him is he was a British champion that fought Duran and lost.

Thats honesty for you..:lol:

He was a world champion that won his title fighting overseas in oppresive heat conditions. He lost controversialy to Duran and is one of the finest fighters this country has ever produced.

[GazOC]

It's not a criteria. It's an indictment on the level of skill that Hatton has attained, and in turn a reason why he should NOT be considered a HOF fighter under any circumstances.

You're just making this stuff up as you go along.:roll:

Fighters do not have to meet some vague "skill level" (of yours or anyones elses deciding) before they get into the HOF.

[TFFP]

You're just making this stuff up as you go along.:roll:

Fighters do not have to meet some vague "skill level" (of yours or anyones elses deciding) before they get into the HOF.
This is my opinion, this is what we do on forums. Ricky Hatton should never get in the HOF, because firstly his resume is poor and more importantly he has little boxing ability, as displayed by his inability to effectively fight one weight above his "natural weight" against a very average guy.

It just shows what I've always said, unless he can bully/hold/cheat he is nothing special.

[ThePlugInBabies]

Aaron Pryor got TKO'ed in his first outing at welter against Bobby Joe Young (31-7-1). His only ever defeat, to a guy who never won a title, and only claim to fame is beating Pryor.

are you having a fricking laugh?

pryor was a crackhead nutjob by then coming off the back of his second retirement.

[ThePlugInBabies]

OK, he looked far from great, but he came away with a UD and WBA welter weight title. Perhaps it was just an off night, fighters have off nights. I really don't think winning a welter WBA title is a point to hang Hatton on.

a fight many people thought he lost

:yep

[Smith]

He was a world champion that won his title fighting overseas in oppresive heat conditions. He lost controversialy to Duran and is one of the finest fighters this country has ever produced. And it just so happens that fighter he beat TWICE was a fellow ATG and Canastota Hall of Famer Laguna. He has some superb fighters on his resume. Whta really irks me is when someone (cough cough Healy) says something about a fighters placing without knowing nothing about them, by there OWN admission. If you don't know the facts, don't speak out. Buchanan is a top 5 lightweight ATG by the majorities eyes.

[icemax]

Buchanan is a top 5 lightweight ATG by the majorities eyes.
:yep Not far wrong. Buchanan is probably my favourite British fighter.

[ApatheticLeader]

Boy id paid handsomely to see this. Hatton vs Margo would be like feeding a domestic cat to a punch of starving wolves.

I agree - this is a Hatton hater's dream fight.

[JonOli]

pryor was a crackhead nutjob by then coming off the back of his second retirement.

As I stated, I wasn't having a dig at Prior but pointing out he only fought, and was successful at one weight. People were stating, originally, that fighting at one weight didn't make a fighter HOF worthy as they were limited as they didn't perform just a few pounds above there natural division. Ken Buchanan is another fighter who only fought at one weight. Bob Foster is another.

Perhaps Spinks, infact.... most the heavies in there as well; Ali, Foreman, Frazer....etc have all got to come out the hall.

[JonOli]

a fight many people thought he lost

:yep

Except the judges who gave him a UD, rather then a contentious SD.

I'd say nearly every fighter has had a fight some thought they lost. I'm pretty sure Hatton is no different.

[Beeston Brawler]

Calzaghe - Hopkins, Reid
Hatton - Collazo
Witter - Lynes, Kotelnik
Arthur - Foster
Froch - ???
Haye - None currently
Khan - Limond (Long count :deal)

Further afield.....

Mayweather - Castillo I
DLH - Sturm
Trinidad - DLH
Mosley - DLH
Cotto - Mosley

[ThePlugInBabies]

Except the judges who gave him a UD, rather then a contentious SD.

I'd say nearly every fighter had a fight some thought they lost. I'm pretty sure Hatton is no different.

there's a world of difference between moving up and taking a tough decision over a P4P rated fighter and man of the division and scraping a tough decision over a borderline top 10 fighter.

[ThePlugInBabies]

As I stated, I wasn't having a dig at Prior but pointing out he only fought, and was successful at one weight. People were stating, originally, that fighting at one weight didn't make a fighter HOF worthy as they were limited as they didn't perform just a few pounds above there natural division. Ken Buchanan is another fighter who only fought at one weight. Bob Foster is another.

Perhaps Spinks, infact.... most the heavies in there as well; Ali, Foreman, Frazer....etc have all got to come out the hall.

i never said i agreed with the standard set by TFFP but pryor is a bad example and spinks? i hardly consider it a failure going up from LHW to HW and taking a couple of wins over larry holmes and a win over gerry cooney.

[JonOli]

Thats why I put perhaps next to his name. His an all time great, and is most famous for getting ktfo of in a division outside his main one. Spinks perhaps I shouldn't have mentioned. There are others in there, some brawlers as well.

[Smith]

Calzaghe - Hopkins, Reid
Hatton - Collazo
Witter - Lynes, Kotelnik
Arthur - Foster
Froch - ???
Haye - None currently
Khan - Limond (Long count :deal)

Further afield.....

Mayweather - Castillo I
DLH - Sturm
Trinidad - DLH
Mosley - DLH
Cotto - MosleyHow in the hell could you count Arthur Foster? That fight wasnt even close except from the Knockdown.

[Beeston Brawler]

Hatton has been a lightwelter since he was 16!

British kids tend to fill out much earlier than others.

[GazOC]

This is my opinion, this is what we do on forums. Ricky Hatton should never get in the HOF, because firstly his resume is poor and more importantly he has little boxing ability, as displayed by his inability to effectively fight one weight above his "natural weight" against a very average guy.

It just shows what I've always said, unless he can bully/hold/cheat he is nothing special.
No, what you're doing on forums is desperately defending a biased and flawed argument using series of ridiculous, and quite often childish, comments like the one above because of a personal dislike for a boxer.

[Healy]

And it just so happens that fighter he beat TWICE was a fellow ATG and Canastota Hall of Famer Laguna. He has some superb fighters on his resume. Whta really irks me is when someone (cough cough Healy) says something about a fighters placing without knowing nothing about them, by there OWN admission. If you don't know the facts, don't speak out. Buchanan is a top 5 lightweight ATG by the majorities eyes.
Can you answer me this, when the fuck did i say anything about Ken Buchanan bar answer the question, which was admiting i knew nothing about him bar the small details!

If you knew me, you would know by now that im not a bullshiter..

Obviously you have not read the thread, i was commenting on Hatton and about the fact he cannot move up in weight, then Buchanans name is brought up

INFACT im the exact opposite to most posters on here, il admit if i know nothing about a topic and wont make judgement!

For you to say i do otherwise is completely false and bull frankly..i only talk about topics i have some sort of knowledge about or want to gain knowledge on

[brown bomber]

Buchanan is a top 5 lightweight ATG by the majorities eyes. Smith your a good poster but that is rubbish and is almost as biased as Max Molyneuxs Calzaghe is greater then Chavez post the other day.

[TFFP]

No, what you're doing on forums is desperately defending a biased and flawed argument using series of ridiculous, and quite often childish, comments like the one above because of a personal dislike for a boxer.
Ok, tell me Hatton doesn't hold/hit and hold/rabbit punch/look to refs for help and I'll tell you his game is mostly based on skill. It's based on physicality and rough house tactics, and I was using Hatton's struggles at 147 as a perfect demonstration, which stands to reason logically.

These are facts, they can't be refuted and there is no bias. I'm saying what anybody can see if they pick up a Hatton fight and proceed to watch without his nutsack dangling over their eyes.

[GazOC]

Ah, your old "nutsack" comment, always your last resort. you really need some new material. Of course Hatton is a physical fighter, they arn't excluded from the HOF as far as I'm aware?? Nor are they excluded from having stuggled to beat a title holder at a higher weight.

[TFFP]

They are excluded by my criteria, if you don't have much skill and rely almost exclusively on rough housing (this is polite - its cheating) you don't get in the HOF. Especially when your resume is a thin as Hatton's.

The Collazo/Mayweather fights just illustrate the point I'm making on Hatton's ability to box. He can't do shit without being stronger and cheating.

[Jack]

Buchanan is a top 5 lightweight ATG by the majorities eyes.Fuck off! :lol:

The majority don't have him in the top 10.

[GazOC]

They are excluded by my criteria, if you don't have much skill and rely almost exclusively on rough housing (this is polite - its cheating) you don't get in the HOF. Especially when your resume is a thin as Hatton's.

The Collazo/Mayweather fights just illustrate the point I'm making on Hatton's ability to box. He can't do shit without being stronger and cheating.

So you're kicking out Fritzie Zivic (amongst others) now as well are you....:-(

So what if Hatton is a physical fighter and strong at 140? You won't let him in because he's strong at the weight?:patsch

[TFFP]

So you're kicking out Fritzie Zivic (amongst others) now as well are you....:-(

So what if Hatton is a physical fighter and strong at 140? You won't let him in because he's strong at the weight?:patsch
I have no issue with fucking off Zivic, or any consistent cheat. If the majority play by the rules why do these demi Gods get the advantage of fighting like its a street brawl? We'll be inducting Jonathan Ruiz next.

Hatton is no way near on Zivic's level of dirty shit, obviously. It's not the only criteria I'm eliminating him on, it wouldn't be quite so bad if he actually had some sort of great resume, or boxed well outside the clinches.

[icemax]

Fuck off! :lol:

The majority don't have him in the top 10.

:-(

[Smith]

Smith your a good poster but that is rubbish and is almost as biased as Max Molyneuxs Calzaghe is greater then Chavez post the other day.Fuck off! :lol:

The majority don't have him in the top 10.I meant post war, but can't be arsed repying to youse so i'll leave you this.

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Happy reading.

If you seriosuly think there are 10 better lightweights in history than Ken then you are the ones who need to chalk up on your knowledge. And no, we are not talkign about boxers who had one or two fights in the division then left.

There are vastly more knowledgeable guys in that thread who disagree with you, but I forgot, Ken is Scottish, you're English, no way a Scot could have been that good.

[Smith]

:-(Exactly, icemax my man.:-(

[Jack]

:-(...What the fuck are you rolling your eyes at?

I meant post war, but can't be arsed repying to youse so i'll leave you this.

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

Happy reading.Well that's fucking it then. No need to ever bring it up again. Ever.

You're having a laugh, mate.

Four people rated him in the top 5. One of those has Stevie Johnson above Julio Cesar Chavez. Another who thinks Ramirez was better than Ike Williams. And another has Castillo ahead of Arguello. They're hardly good lists, are they?
If you seriosuly think there are 10 better lightweights in history than Ken then you are the ones who need to chalk up on your knowledge. And no, we are not talkign about boxers who had one or two fights in the division then left.I didn't say that at all. I had a problem with you saying Buchanan is considered top 5 by the majority, when he clearly isn't.

I don't have a problem rating him in the top 5. Depending on my mood, he could go between 4 and 7.
There are vastly more knowledgeable guys in that thread who disagree with you, but I forgot, Ken is Scottish, you're English, no way a Scot could have been that good.:lol:

Fuck off.

I've never been biased against Scottish fighters. In fact, Buchanan is one of my favourite fighters of all-time and probably top 3 British fighters ever. But of course, that's the answer to everything isn't it? An Englishman has a negative opinon on a Scot, so he has to be biased, right?

I think you should read up on my posts before you make yourself look like a cunt next time.

[Smith]

...What the fuck are you rolling your eyes at?

Well that's fucking it then. No need to ever bring it up again. Ever.

You're having a laugh, mate.

Four people rated him in the top 5. One of those has Stevie Johnson above Julio Cesar Chavez. Another who thinks Ramirez was better than Ike Williams. And another has Castillo ahead of Arguello. They're hardly good lists, are they?
I didn't say that at all. I had a problem with you saying Buchanan is considered top 5 by the majority, when he clearly isn't.

I don't have a problem rating him in the top 5. Depending on my mood, he could go between 4 and 7.
:lol:

Fuck off.

I've never been biased against Scottish fighters. In fact, Buchanan is one of my favourite fighters of all-time and probably top 3 British fighters ever. But of course, that's the answer to everything isn't it? An Englishman has a negative opinon on a Scot, so he has to be biased, right?

I think you should read up on my posts before you make yourself look like a cunt next time.I'm on my 12th Havana 7 and coke and have a gram of charlie up my nose right now as I celebrate my birthday which is 40 minutes old. Leave me alone, I don't know whats happening:D:barf

[Jack]

I'm on my 12th Havana 7 and coke and have a gram of charlie up my nose right now as I celebrate my birthday which is 40 minutes old. Leave me alone, I don't know whats happening:D:barf
:lol:

I'll forgive you this time....you paranoid twat :lol:

Have a good day :good

[Smith]

:lol:

I'll forgive you this time....you paranoid twat :lol:

Have a good day :goodWe can argue tomorow if you want :lol:. I'm in a state of meltedness right now. Away to club to sleep on dancefloor. Adios.

Viva.:good

[icemax]

...What the fuck are you rolling your eyes at?

I was simply marvelling at the level of stupidity you were showing. Thanks for giving us the benefit of your education BTW :good

[Jack]

We can argue tomorow if you want :lol:. I'm in a state of meltedness right now. Away to club to sleep on dancefloor. Adios.

Viva.:good
I don't even think we disagree lol. I rate Buchanan from 4 to 7, anyway.
I was simply marvelling at the level of stupidity you were showing. Thanks for giving us the benefit of your education BTW :goodDo you even understand what point I was making?

[icemax]

Do you even understand what point I was making?

On 2nd reading I think I know where you are coming from....apologies. :nod

[Olu G. Rotimi]

It wasn't just that Cotto was getting tired, he started thinking he could counter off the ropes and Margo has made adjustments by coming in at angles. Cotto got caught hard in the sixth and didn't seem to adjust or was too stung by the shots to recover.

I knew he'd get hurt at least once, but it was a shame to watch it go that way. i still think he's a better fighter than Margarito, but he didn't have the power or height to deal with Margo in such inspired form.

The reason i see PBF having a problem with margo is this: Margo is bigger, stronger and more hardworking that any Floyd opponent. Floyd won't be able to make space on the inside like he did with Hatton and he certainly doesn't have the strength to keep Margo off.

He doesn't like pressure or being forced to fight at pace and he hasn't got the punch power to discourage Margo. That's an awful fight for Floyd and I can see why he'd never want it.

Ajose would be demolished by any top 5 ww right now. End of debate.

Fluxstuff baby you know I love you after many great debates. You added about Cotto versus Margarito are probably correct. Cotto is the better fight with better skills but he did or was not able to make the adjustments as the fight went on. What is annoying is that in the 1st 5 rounds Margarito was bewildered. If I was Cotto's trainer I would be pissed off how this slipped away I really would.

As for PBF what people forget is that he has faced to many incessant mexican/mexican style pressure fighters. PBF would outpoint Margarito 120-109 hell he might even stop him because outbox and outfox Margarito worse than Cotto did in the1st half of their contest then it would be interesting to see if the Tornado unravels and gets stopped. People forget that PBF is a genuine puncher and master blaster. He has stopped the likes of Hatton, Angel Manfredy, both Gonzales, Jesus Chavez amongst others to name a few. The crux is that Cotto who is a fairly aggressive boxer puncher himself in the Latino fashion needed to show who was the tougher hombre and that might have contributed to his downfall.

Ajose would beat Margarito this was crystallised for me the way Paul Williams beat Margarito. Ajose is faster, a better boxer and more spiteful puncher.

[Bull Terrier]

Pryor was past it by then.

Sorry to go slightly off-topic..but..
I remember the Aaron Pryor-Bobby Joe Young fight pretty well.
Anybody remember during the introductions that Aaron Pryor started arguing with somebody in the ring and I think pushed him with his glove. The other bloke then punched him quickly in the face and then the two got separated.
Does anybody know what that was all about? Who was the other guy? I know it's going back quite a few years.

[Betty Swollocks]

:rofl :rofl :rofl

Like little Wicky has any kind of chance against Margarito. Few would've given Hatton a chance even before Margo bashed up Cotto....I mean what the fuck are some of you thinking? :huh

[mexican legend]

Margarito will murder Hatton. That's a fact.

[Beeston Brawler]

Huge welter vs Small lightwelter/above average lightweight

Seems pretty clear to me - the only way Hatton has a chance is a castillo type KO (not happening realistically) or potshotting to get out of range for 12 rounds and hoping for a gift UD (not Hatton's style)

Hatton doesn't know when to take a step back, and this would be his undoing in this encounter. Late stoppage for Tony in an entertaining fight in which Hatton will have his moments.

[Betty Swollocks]

Yeah the only possible way I see Hatton winning is if he lands a Castillo like body shot, and how likely is that? Margarito on all evidence can take it to the body too and is not shot, unlike Castillo was. Hatton just has no chance of putting a dent in him, is not cute enough to outbox Margo and his workrate is nowhere near as good. He does not do anything better that Margarito that I can think of, on on top of that is smaller. He'd get battered and stopped. This is a real quality pressure fighter against a guy who throws a hook and then holds and wrestles. How many clinches were there in Cotto-Margo? I can think of 1, when Cotto was holding on when hurt.
I just don't get how some think Hatton has a chance, especially as it's probably the same guys who made the 'too small' excuse after the Floyd and Collazo fights. Now you think he has a chance against as big and as sturdy a bastard as you will see at 147???

[Brummy1976]

Are you serious man?

Hatton has ZERO chance against Margarito. He's way too big, way too strong, he'll laugh at Hatton's punches. Cotto does everything Hatton does, and a lot better.

Hatton doesn't even have a good chin at WW, he'll be finished in 5 rounds. Collazo had him all over the place, and Mayweather introduced him to the ring post.:yep

[onourway]

P4P, Hatton would beat Margarito.

In a real match up, Hatton leaves on a stretcher.

[GazOC]

Great. Another semi-literate txt muppet!:patsch

[Fat Joe]

Great. Another semi-literate txt muppet!:patsch

don't 8, e iz a new b

[GazOC]

I'm only thinking of Dan, you know he's a bit of a Grammar Nazi...;)

[Betty Swollocks]

P4P, Hatton would beat Margarito.

In a real match up, Hatton leaves on a stretcher.

no way.
tell us what Hatton has or does better than Margarito. Faster footwork and that's about it.

[Dirty Bastard]

Hatton diies after an attemted suplex goes wrong and gets pummeled and killed!

[brown_bomber]

would be a tear up

[Xplosive]

Much as I hate Hatton, not even I wish this fight on him. Its just too cruel.

[FLINT ISLAND]

Much as I hate Hatton, not even I wish this fight on him. Its just too cruel.

I second that mate:good

I dont want to see Campbell grow up without a father

[toffeejack]

Would never happen, Hatton stands next to zero chance if this ever happened (which it won't).

[trotter]

I've not seen anyone really repel Margarito, much less put a dent in him

Given Hatton's average power, declining resistance, and the huge size difference, this wouldn't really be a contest at all

It won't happen anyway

It's Paulie then Oscar / Pacman I reckon, if he gets past Paulie that is. And I think he has to look decent doing it too to secure the big fight.

[toffeejack]

I've not seen anyone really repel Margarito, much less put a dent in him

Given Hatton's average power, declining resistance, and the huge size difference, this wouldn't really be a contest at all

It won't happen anyway

It's Paulie then Oscar / Pacman I reckon, if he gets past Paulie that is. And I think he has to look decent doing it too to secure the big fight.

Won't Oscar be way too big for him though? I can't see him standing much chance against anyone at 147 and above because of the sheer size difference mainly and he's never looked good above 140. Anyway, from the Lazcano fight Hatton looks finished to me and I wouldn't be surprised to see him lose by UD in November.

I think his constant weight problems in between fights are finally taking their toll even though he's only in his late 20's.

[trotter]

Won't Oscar be way too big for him though? I can't see him standing much chance against anyone at 147 and above because of the sheer size difference mainly and he's never looked good above 140. Anyway, from the Lazcano fight Hatton looks finished to me and I wouldn't be surprised to see him lose by UD in November.

I think his constant weight problems in between fights are finally taking their toll even though he's only in his late 20's.

Yeah I think Oscar would be too big... in fact I agree with every last part of your post

But if Oscar can fight Pac he can fight Hatton

I don't agree with the jumping about weight classes by the way, but these marquee names are obsessed with it

By constantly fighting each other they can put off being succeeded by the younger talent for a while

[FLINT ISLAND]

the difference between hatton and de la hoya standing next to each other discussing tactics for the mayweather fight was immense.

one look like a big latino pop star love god

the other quite frankly looked like a little midget

if they met in the ring all the physical advantages are with Oscar