My personal top 25 1970-2002

[redrooster]

Screw other lists. Here's mine:

Hagler
Roy Jones
Alexis Arguello
Ali
Bob Foster
Roberto Duran
Napoles
Larry Holmes
Victor Galindez
Ruben Olivares
Salvador Sanchez
Cuevas
Hearns
George Foreman
McCallum
Terry Norris
Pernell Whitaker
Jeff Chandler
Camacho
Mike Tyson
JC Chavez
DLH
Ray Leonard
Julian Jackson
Dwight Braxton

[Addie]

Screw other lists. Here's mine:

Hagler
Roy Jones
Alexis Arguello
Ali
Bob Foster
Roberto Duran
Napoles
Larry Holmes
Victor Galindez
Ruben Olivares
Salvador Sanchez
Cuevas
Hearns
George Foreman
McCallum
Terry Norris
Pernell Whitaker
Jeff Chandler
Camacho
Mike Tyson
JC Chavez
DLH
Ray Leonard
Julian Jackson
Dwight Braxton

I noticed you had no Carlos Zarate. I think there has to be an inclusion of Zarate somewhere.

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I noticed you had no Carlos Zarate. I think there has to be an inclusion of Zarate somewhere.

He probably deserves it with his record. I just havent seen enough of him.

[JohnThomas1]

I am shicked you could not find room for "Hard Rock" Green, Animarl Fletcher, Scypion, Dwight, Sibbo and a Roldan you rate miles above Monzon.

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I am shicked you could not find room for "Hard Rock" Green, Animarl Fletcher, Scypion, Dwight, Sibbo and a Roldan you rate miles above Monzon.

Hey Redrooter did you get my personal message?

[JohnThomas1]

Hey Redrooter did you get my personal message?

Say what?

[ChrisPontius]

:admin

[DINAMITA]

Screw other lists. Here's mine:

Hagler
Roy Jones
Alexis Arguello
Ali
Bob Foster
Roberto Duran
Napoles
Larry Holmes
Victor Galindez
Ruben Olivares
Salvador Sanchez
Cuevas
Hearns
George Foreman
McCallum
Terry Norris
Pernell Whitaker
Jeff Chandler
Camacho
Mike Tyson
JC Chavez
DLH
Ray Leonard
Julian Jackson
Dwight Braxton

No Aaron Pryor? :-(

[TBooze]

Screw other lists. Here's mine:

Hagler
Roy Jones
Alexis Arguello
Ali
Bob Foster
Roberto Duran
Napoles
Larry Holmes
Victor Galindez
Ruben Olivares
Salvador Sanchez
Cuevas
Hearns
George Foreman
McCallum
Terry Norris
Pernell Whitaker
Jeff Chandler
Camacho
Mike Tyson
JC Chavez
DLH
Ray Leonard
Julian Jackson
Dwight Braxton

A unique view point, no doubt.

It is said that if you give a thousand monkeys a thousand years, they will give you the definitive list of the finest 25 fighters of 1970 to 2002.

Rooster that is 10 years work, tops!;)

[Bill1234]

Hey Redrooter did you get my personal message?

Someone forget to change accounts?:deal

[redrooster]

Screw other lists. Here's mine:

Hagler
Roy Jones
Alexis Arguello
Ali
Bob Foster
Roberto Duran
Napoles
Larry Holmes
Victor Galindez
Ruben Olivares
Salvador Sanchez
Cuevas
Aaron Pryor
Hearns
George Foreman
McCallum
Terry Norris
Pernell Whitaker
Jeff Chandler
Camacho
Mike Tyson
JC Chavez
DLH
Ray Leonard
Julian Jackson


Revised

Comments: Braxton hadn't really accomplished much other than take a fading, at the end of his prime Saad Muhammud. Bill brought up Pryor who I forgot about so Dwight was squeezed out.

[redrooster]

A unique view point, no doubt.

It is said that if you give a thousand monkeys a thousand years, they will give you the definitive list of the finest 25 fighters of 1970 to 2002.

Rooster that is 10 years work, tops!;)

Thanks man. I think everyone should be happy with it.

[DINAMITA]

Revised

Comments: Braxton hadn't really accomplished much other than take a fading, at the end of his prime Saad Muhammud. Bill brought up Pryor who I forgot about so Dwight was squeezed out.[/quote]

My name isn't Bill.

Here's my alternative 25 from 1970-now:

1.Roberto Duran
2.Sugar Ray Leonard
3.Roy Jones Jr
4.Pernell Whitaker
5.Alexis Arguello
6.Carlos Monzon
7.Thomas Hearns
8.Marvin Hagler
9.Aaron Pryor
10.Julio Cesar Chavez
11.Evander Holyfield
12.Bernard Hopkins
13.Michael Spinks
14.Lennox Lewis
15.Jose Napoles
16.Ricardo Lopez
17.Floyd Mayweather Jr
18.James Toney
19.Mike Tyson
20.Emile Griffith
21.Wilfredo Gomez
22.Bob Foster
23.Mike McCallum
24.Carlos Zarate
25.Manny Pacquiao/Larry Holmes

Shits all over yours, don't it??

[ChrisPontius]

Someone forget to change accounts?:deal

Nah, it's a glitch in the system. :lol:

[juanitoboxing]

Trinidad and Wilfredo Gomez would make my list

[Loewe]

Revised

My name isn't Bill.

Here's my alternative 25 from 1970-now:

1.Roberto Duran
2.Sugar Ray Leonard
3.Roy Jones Jr
4.Pernell Whitaker
5.Alexis Arguello
6.Carlos Monzon
7.Thomas Hearns
8.Marvin Hagler
9.Aaron Pryor
10.Julio Cesar Chavez
11.Evander Holyfield
12.Bernard Hopkins
13.Michael Spinks
14.Lennox Lewis
15.Jose Napoles
16.Ricardo Lopez
17.Floyd Mayweather Jr
18.James Toney
19.Mike Tyson
20.Emile Griffith
21.Wilfredo Gomez
22.Bob Foster
23.Mike McCallum
24.Carlos Zarate
25.Manny Pacquiao/Larry Holmes

Shits all over yours, don't it??

These guys are all too low:
4.Pernell Whitaker
6.Carlos Monzon
10.Julio Cesar Chavez
13.Michael Spinks
15.Jose Napoles
20.Emile Griffith

These guys are all too high:
3.Roy Jones Jr
7.Thomas Hearns
8.Marvin Hagler
9.Aaron Pryor

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Revised

Comments: Braxton hadn't really accomplished much other than take a fading, at the end of his prime Saad Muhammud. Bill brought up Pryor who I forgot about so Dwight was squeezed out.

My name isn't Bill.

Here's my alternative 25 from 1970-now:

1.Roberto Duran
2.Sugar Ray Leonard
3.Roy Jones Jr
4.Pernell Whitaker
5.Alexis Arguello
6.Carlos Monzon
7.Thomas Hearns
8.Marvin Hagler
9.Aaron Pryor
10.Julio Cesar Chavez
11.Evander Holyfield
12.Bernard Hopkins
13.Michael Spinks
14.Lennox Lewis
15.Jose Napoles
16.Ricardo Lopez
17.Floyd Mayweather Jr
18.James Toney
19.Mike Tyson
20.Emile Griffith
21.Wilfredo Gomez
22.Bob Foster
23.Mike McCallum
24.Carlos Zarate
25.Manny Pacquiao/Larry Holmes

Shits all over yours, don't it??[/QUOTE]

Where's Ali?

[redrooster]

By the way your list is the worst I've ever seen.

[JohnThomas1]

Nah, it's a glitch in the system. :lol:

Oh no, not another one

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

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PACFAN84 did you hear me? I said your list wreaks of animal dung!

[JohnThomas1]

How can Camacho be ahead of Pedroza - well how can Pedro not make the list at all? How close is Pintor considering Chandler is there?

And perhaps worst of all - WTheF is Spinks?

[redrooster]

Looks like I may have to do some more revising.

[redrooster]

Ultimate p4p list 1970-2002 revised

Hagler
Roy Jones
Alexis Arguello
Ali
Bob Foster
Roberto Duran
Napoles
Larry Holmes
Victor Galindez
Ruben Olivares
Salvador Sanchez
Micheal Spinks
Cuevas
Aaron Pryor
Hearns
George Foreman
McCallum
Terry Norris
Pernell Whitaker
Jeff Chandler
Camacho
Mike Tyson
JC Chavez
DLH
Ray Leonard
Julian Jackson

Sorry but Pedroza couldn't make it. The draw with Taylor soured me on him, the two robberies with Lockridge, that sort of thing.

Pintor would be a worth addition. Where should I put him?

[Robbi]

Ultimate p4p list 1970-2002 revised

Hagler
Roy Jones
Alexis Arguello
Ali
Bob Foster
Roberto Duran
Napoles
Larry Holmes
Victor Galindez
Ruben Olivares
Salvador Sanchez
Micheal Spinks
Cuevas
Aaron Pryor
Hearns
George Foreman
McCallum
Terry Norris
Pernell Whitaker
Jeff Chandler
Camacho
Mike Tyson
JC Chavez
DLH
Ray Leonard
Julian Jackson

Sorry but Pedroza couldn't make it. The draw with Taylor soured me on him, the two robberies with Lockridge, that sort of thing.

Pintor would be a worth addition. Where should I put him?

Are you drunk tonight? Because it sure as hell looks like it.

[JohnThomas1]

Ultimate p4p list 1970-2002 revised

Hagler
Roy Jones
Alexis Arguello
Ali
Bob Foster
Roberto Duran
Napoles
Larry Holmes
Victor Galindez
Ruben Olivares
Salvador Sanchez
Micheal Spinks
Cuevas
Aaron Pryor
Hearns
George Foreman
McCallum
Terry Norris
Pernell Whitaker
Jeff Chandler
Camacho
Mike Tyson
JC Chavez
DLH
Ray Leonard
Julian Jackson

Sorry but Pedroza couldn't make it. The draw with Taylor soured me on him, the two robberies with Lockridge, that sort of thing.

Pintor would be a worth addition. Where should I put him?

Getting better :good

Bit of a hard call on Pedro. I scored both Lockridge fights for him as did many experts. At worst one of those could be called a draw in which case he retains anyway. As for the draw with Taylor - if memory serves me right the super fast Taylor ran all night and did bugger all offensively. He really didn't draw that fight unless memory fails me.

Personally i'd have Pintor before Terry but to each their own. Foreman, regardless of one great win and achievement needs to be scrutinised. Is one of the greatest wins in history enough due to it's circumstancial nature? Are we rewarding age too much?

Galindez will have to be eased out too IMO. Saad might rate ahead, i'll have to rethink. I will have a deep look tonight and make a few suggestions further. Julian Jackson must be in by the skin of his teeth.

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Getting better :good

Bit of a hard call on Pedro. I scored both Lockridge fights for him as did many experts. At worst one of those could be called a draw in which case he retains anyway. As for the draw with Taylor - if memory serves me right the super fast Taylor ran all night and did bugger all offensively. He really didn't draw that fight unless memory fails me.

Personally i'd have Pintor before Terry but to each their own. Foreman, regardless of one great win and achievement needs to be scrutinised. Is one of the greatest wins in history enough due to it's circumstancial nature? Are we rewarding age too much?

Galindez will have to be eased out too IMO. Saad might rate ahead, i'll have to rethink. I will have a deep look tonight and make a few suggestions further. Julian Jackson must be in by the skin of his teeth.

These lists are harder than they look. I forgot Saad. Somebody's got to go.

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Hagler
Roy Jones
Alexis Arguello
Ali
Bob Foster
Roberto Duran
Napoles
Larry Holmes
Victor Galindez
Saad Muhammud
Salvador Sanchez
Micheal Spinks
Cuevas
Aaron Pryor
Hearns
George Foreman
McCallum
Terry Norris
Pernell Whitaker
Jeff Chandler
Camacho
Mike Tyson
DLH
Ray Leonard
Julian Jackson

I can't put Pedroza in with this group, certainly not replacing Camacho. Hector was a 3 time world champion and never knocked out. Pedroza been stopped and has no real speed or power. Sometimes got gift decisions.

[Holmes' Jab]

Whitaker much too low, Leonard too. Nice mentions of Arguello and Sanchez.

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Getting better :good

Bit of a hard call on Pedro. I scored both Lockridge fights for him as did many experts. At worst one of those could be called a draw in which case he retains anyway. As for the draw with Taylor - if memory serves me right the super fast Taylor ran all night and did bugger all offensively. He really didn't draw that fight unless memory fails me.

Personally i'd have Pintor before Terry but to each their own. Foreman, regardless of one great win and achievement needs to be scrutinised. Is one of the greatest wins in history enough due to it's circumstancial nature? Are we rewarding age too much?

Galindez will have to be eased out too IMO. Saad might rate ahead, i'll have to rethink. I will have a deep look tonight and make a few suggestions further. Julian Jackson must be in by the skin of his teeth.

John I recommend Galindez-Rossman 1 and 2 if nothing else for entertainment value. It was towards the end of his title reign but give him credit, he prevailed in the rematch. Mike fought a great fight in the first and cut him to ribbons but Vic would not be denied in a rematch. This is why rematches are so important.

Anyhow, Victor did rule for 4 years in a tough division. I only wish I had his title eliminator match with Len Hutchins.

[Stonehands89]

RR:

You have Braxton, albeit squeezed out.

Where's Holyfield?

[Mantequilla]

Chandler doesn't belong.

He arguably wasn't even in the top five Bantams of his era.

[DINAMITA]

PACFAN84 did you hear me? I said your list wreaks of animal dung!

Sorry I didn't respond earlier, I left the forum yesterday just after I'd given you the definitive top 25. I genuinely think your list is garbage, totally biased for 70s and 80s fighters, and against 90s and 00s fighters. There are guys on there who should never be near that list.

Oh, and I left Ali out because I prefer to think of him as a 60s fighter. The guy who beat Liston and was the fastest most brilliant heavyweight in history was not the same guy who struggled manfully with Frazier and Norton. I'll whisper it because I don't want a storm of abuse for saying it: I don't think the 1970s Ali was all that amazing. Good yes, amazing not so much. Tyson, Lewis and Holmes would all have beaten him IMO. I think the 1960s Ali was the 2nd best fighter in history p4p though.

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RR:

You have Braxton, albeit squeezed out.

Where's Holyfield?

Had to get rid of him. I had high hopes for Dwight he really looked hot at one point beating up on Saad and Eddie Davis, two top notch fighters. But he literally sleep walked thru his big fight with Spinks. I don't know if the fight was fixed and he just eased off or what. So instead I put Mike in at the request of JT.

But....that fight was a real dissapointment.

Holyfield is a good solid fighter but you know I can't go along with the Farhood assessment. He actually ranked Evander third behind Ali and Louis. :lol: :nut

Guys like Farhood have always jumped the gun on fighters they like. That's why KO, IB, WB and BBB turned south. And who reads Ring magazine anyomre?

[redrooster]

Sorry I didn't respond earlier, I left the forum yesterday just after I'd given you the definitive top 25. I genuinely think your list is garbage, totally biased for 70s and 80s fighters, and against 90s and 00s fighters. There are guys on there who should never be near that list.

Oh, and I left Ali out because I prefer to think of him as a 60s fighter. The guy who beat Liston and was the fastest most brilliant heavyweight in history was not the same guy who struggled manfully with Frazier and Norton. I'll whisper it because I don't want a storm of abuse for saying it: I don't think the 1970s Ali was all that amazing. Good yes, amazing not so much. Tyson, Lewis and Holmes would all have beaten him IMO. I think the 1960s Ali was the 2nd best fighter in history p4p though.

I guess I could have given a higher grade to some of today's headliners but I came along earlier and have seen the best of the best of the best.

What do you want I gave the #2 spot to Roy Jones and I have no problem with those who give him the #1 spot.

And I hate to contradict you but I actually placed on of the 80s top stars, Ray Leonard down at the bottom and some have said he's been placed too low. Will you guys make up your mind.

Cuevas-champion for 4 years

Chandler-champ for 4 years

Norris-a top headliner from the 90s

Oscar-top headliner and Oscar was more than just hype.

Personally I don't think you've seen Galindez as I have. The man was fearless and powerful and he had some skill too. I personally believe he would have beat Foster had they met at the time. Together with his counterpart Conteh they dominated for 4 years. Saad Muhammud deserves a ranking as much as anyone. I suggest you watch the Johnson-Saad Muhammud and Yaqui Lopez. It'll make you forget all about those pretty boys :hey

last thing. Ali was voted fighter of the year in 72, 74, 75 so he has the credentials. ALi didn't really have the competition in the 60s other than Floyd, Liston, and Moore. It was against the bigger, newer, faster, younger, more capable heavies that he finally won the respect

[LiamE]

Hagler
Roy Jones
Alexis Arguello
Ali
Bob Foster
Roberto Duran
Napoles
Larry Holmes
Victor Galindez
Saad Muhammud
Salvador Sanchez
Micheal Spinks
Cuevas
Aaron Pryor
Hearns
George Foreman
McCallum
Terry Norris
Pernell Whitaker
Jeff Chandler
Camacho
Mike Tyson
DLH
Ray Leonard
Julian Jackson

I can't put Pedroza in with this group, certainly not replacing Camacho. Hector was a 3 time world champion and never knocked out. Pedroza been stopped and has no real speed or power. Sometimes got gift decisions.

I'm looking real hard but cant see Monzon anywhere. Are you sure Jackson makes the list and Monzon doesnt??

[Bill Butcher]

In no order
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ALI
DURAN
LEONARD
CHAVEZ
WHITAKER
ARGUELLO
HAGLER
HEARNS
SANCHEZ
JONES JR
MAYWEATHER JR
MORALES
TYSON
HOPKINS
BARRERA
DELAHOYA
PRYOR
LOPEZ
MOSELY
CALZAGHE
PACQUIAO
TSZYU
TRINIDAD
MARQUEZ
HAMED

Ps. I know Ive left out some big names but I went with guys that Id seen enough of so no Monzon, Gomez or Spinks where as they are almost certain to make the lists of people who have seen a lot of them.

:thumbsup