Wladimir Klitschko .Vs. Max Baer

[la-califa]

Battle of the big men! Klitschko has the better boxing ability, but could he effectivly keep away from the sledgehammer blows of Baer? Tough Call. 15 Rounds.

[headers14]

Klitschko's stamina issue will be a big issue in a 15 rounder

[teeto]

Wlad will have to box so well here, because Baer at his best could simply batter a man, or take them out with that huge right. I personally think Baer will get him and i dont think Baer has to land that many to finiish this.

That's not Classic forum bias by the way! Just how i see it.

[mr. magoo]

Although Max Baer certainly had the power and stamina to beat Wlad, I don't think the skill levels were sufficient. I could easily see Wlad playing it safe without taking any chances and keeping Baer on the end of his jab all night.

Wlad by decision in a disappointing fight.

[SuzieQ49]

Horrible matchup for wlad. A granite chinned ATG puncher with reletless stamina and agression, wlad wont be able to lacadasically methodically paw his way to a UD in this one vs a peak baer. baer will dent wlads weak chin and force wlad into another one of his panic attacks somewhere during the fight. baer mid round TKO.

[rekcutnevets]

Wladimir has a full arsenal of punches, he is not weak with any of him. He puts together nice combinations, and superior to many in this regard. He is normally vulnerable to fast punches down the middle. This is why I picked him to salvage his career against Peter.

After watching Peter have some success in finding Wlad with his overhand right, I would be nervous just picking against Baer without giving him a chance.

Still, I think Wlad has too much offensively for Baer to get through.

Wlad by however hard Baer fights. I could see it going the way magoo picked it, or I could see Baer getting stopped if he presses hard.

[teeto]

Horrible matchup for wlad. A granite chinned ATG puncher with reletless stamina and agression, wlad wont be able to lacadasically methodically paw his way to a UD in this one vs a peak baer. baer will dent wlads weak chin and force wlad into another one of his panic attacks somewhere during the fight. baer mid round TKO.
Good to see we agree on this one Suzie. Also, i know its a bit late and maye not the place, but i havent spoke to you about the big one at the weekend yet. Was great, we both had Cotto to win aswell i believe!!

[Loewe]

Wlad´s chin is underestimated - he actually was never koed, two of his tko losses also were more due to his stamina issue than due to his chin. When you look at his fights of the last 2-3 years you also see that he doesn´t have a stamina issue anymore and now knows how to pace himself. He also isn´t fighting anymore like he did against Purrity, Sanders and Brewster I but now has a safety first approuch which makes him more boring but also a lot harder to beat.
While i have very much respect for Baer, i think he´s just not good enough to overome Wlad´s physical and technical advantages. Wlad would Jab, throw an occasional right hand or left hook and starts to grab when it gets dangerous. Very boring fight and a solid UD of 10-5 for Wlad.

[Bad_Intentions]

Klitschko has the more tactics/combinations, but his glass chin and terrible stamina is questionable.

Baer has the power (especially on the right hand), and the chin to eat wlad's punches.

I see klitschko jabbing and using his combinations on max baer in the early rounds but unfortunately it's not hard enough to hurt the granite chinned max ber, in the later rounds baer goes in for the kill, TKO 15.

[mr. magoo]

Klitschko has the more tactics/combinations, but his glass chin and terrible stamina is questionable.

Baer has the power (especially on the right hand), and the chin to eat wlad's punches.

I see klitschko jabbing and using his combinations on max baer in the early rounds but unfortunately it's not hard enough to hurt the granite chinned max ber, in the later rounds baer goes in for the kill, TKO 15.

I could possibly see this scenario unfolding in the unlikely event that Wlad tried to get brave and trade with Baer. But ever since the Brewster loss four years ago, Wlad has not taken any chances trading with big punchers. Frankly, I can't see Baer as having the skills, the speed or the reach to penetrate Klitschko's jab. The stamina issue may prove to be a problem, but Wlad has shown us that he can go the distance quite a bit lately. Besides, I don't see this match as being terribly fast paced to where either man would get tired out much anyway.

[la-califa]

I could possibly see this scenario unfolding in the unlikely event that Wlad tried to get brave and trade with Baer. But ever since the Brewster loss four years ago, Wlad has not taken any chances trading with big punchers. Frankly, I can't see Baer as having the skills, the speed or the reach to penetrate Klitschko's jab. The stamina issue may prove to be a problem, but Wlad has shown us that he can go the distance quite a bit lately. Besides, I don't see this match as being terribly fast paced to where either man would get tired out much anyway. Aren't both fighter's pretty much about the same size? Baer could possibly bull rush his way on the inside to do some damage. In his prime Baer had a deadly reputation.

[mr. magoo]

Aren't both fighter's pretty much about the same size?

I think you may be confusing Max Baer for his brother Buddy, in which case, yes. Buddy and Wlad were very close to the same size. As for Max, he had about the same reach as Wlad at 81 inches, but the actual size was drastically different.

Max in his prime was 6'2"1/2, and weighed around 210 Lbs.

Wlad is 6'6"1/2, and weighs 240 Lbs. Plus seems to posses quite a bit more muscle mass than Baer.

[la-califa]

I think you may be confusing Max Baer for his brother Buddy, in which case, yes. Buddy and Wlad were very close to the same size. As for Max, he had about the same reach as Wlad at 81 inches, but the actual size was drastically different.

Max in his prime was 6'2"1/2, and weighed around 210 Lbs.

Wlad is 6'6"1/2, and weighs 240 Lbs. Plus seems to posses quite a bit more muscle mass than Baer. Yes, you are correct. I was going by how much larger Bear was against the Heavyweights of the time, Which looks simular to the way Klitschko appears larger than the Heavies of today.

[Bummy Davis]

Baer has a punchers chance vs anyone...But Vlad has the better overall arsenal

[Mendoza]

Max Baer could not spell jab if you spotted him the " J " and the " A ". Max was out boxed by far lesser guys than Wald, and outside of maybe 2-3 key fights the other guy wanted it more. Baer was lazy in the ring

Best guess is Wlad via easy decision, or possible TKO. Baer of course has an outside shot of landing the bomb, but Wlad's defense and clinching skills combined with his ring intelligence diminish Baer's punchers chance.

[JIm Broughton]

Vlad by mid to late round ko. Baer, although a good puncher, doesn't impress when you see him on film. His boxing is crude and for a big man with a long reach his jab is nonexistent. Without an effective jab I don't see how he sets up an offense against the bigger and much more technically skilled Vlad. Sure Max could hurt or stop Vlad with his big right hand but I don't see him landing it often enough to do any real damage, all the while eating Vlads jabs and crushing rights along the way. If Max had the same skillset as Vlad then I would pick Max almost every day of the week but since he doesn't then Vlad prevails.

[mr. magoo]

Vlad by mid to late round ko. Baer, although a good puncher, doesn't impress when you see him on film. His boxing is crude and for a big man with a long reach his jab is nonexistent. Without an effective jab I don't see how he sets up an offense against the bigger and much more technically skilled Vlad. Sure Max could hurt or stop Vlad with his big right hand but I don't see him landing it often enough to do any real damage, all the while eating Vlads jabs and crushing rights along the way. If Max had the same skillset as Vlad then I would pick Max almost every day of the week but since he doesn't then Vlad prevails.

Agreed,

and I will also mention something that no one else has so far, and that is Wlad was only stopped by left hooks, something that Baer was not particularly skilled in throwing.

[SuzieQ49]

has anyone seen the sam peter fight? peter is crude slow and predictable as hell, yet he floored wlad 3 times and had him near another panic attack. I think baer finishes what peter started.

[Loewe]

has anyone seen the sam peter fight? peter is crude slow and predictable as hell, yet he floored wlad 3 times and had him near another panic attack. I think baer finishes what peter started.

Your hate for the Klitschkos gets more and more absurd. Stay objective. Two of Peter´s knockdowns came from rabbit punches, none was a right hand punch - Max´s a one handed fighter with a nearly non-existent left - and Wlad was never really hurt from them. Instead he outboxed and nearly knocked Peter out at the end of the fight - so much for his stamina issue.

Why do people always think of the Wlad of years ago when it´s clear that today´s version is so much different to then? It has to be bias.

[ChrisPontius]

I think Baer mostly got by because he was a massive guy for a boxer (in his day), could hit very hard and took one hell of a shot. Ironically, a lot of people say the same about Wlad now... well, except for taking one hell of a shot, of course. :lol:

However, Baer is one of the crudest and most unskilled champions of all time. The Braddock fight was not a fluke or because he was "clowing" (15 rounds long, that's one hell of a circus night). He was simply outboxed by a better, more skillful boxer as he had been and would be often.

Watch the Louis fight and see for yourself how Joe is not capable of missing that jab.... or any power punch, for that matter. It amazes me how someone with 60 or so fights looks and is worse technically than every amateur in my gym. Some guys, like Marciano, look crude but when you watch closer, there's a lot of skillful things you miss at first. With Baer not so.

Anyway, his power do give him a good puncher's chance, but other than that, i see him taking a ton of jabs and right hands to a decision loss.

[Holmes' Jab]

Wlad: UD.

[janitor]

[quote=ChrisPontius]I think Baer mostly got by because he was a massive guy for a boxer (in his day),

He had to fight a guy who outweighed him by the best part of 60 lbs for the title, who was a much better all round boxer.

could hit very hard and took one hell of a shot. Ironically, a lot of people say the same about Wlad now... well, except for taking one hell of a shot, of course. :lol:

This could be the crucial issue of course.


However, Baer is one of the crudest and most unskilled champions of all time. The Braddock fight was not a fluke or because he was "clowing" (15 rounds long, that's one hell of a circus night). He was simply outboxed by a better, more skillful boxer as he had been and would be often.


That is not entirley fair.

Other factors were at play such as the fact that Baer broke BOTH his hands.

Baer claimed that he was fighting with two broken hands from the fourth onwards. If this is true then it is a strong mitigating circumstance.

While we cant verify exactly when in the fight his hands were broken they were both broken by the final bell and there is a doctors report to suport this.

Watch the Louis fight and see for yourself how Joe is not capable of missing that jab.... or any power punch, for that matter.

Of course Louis had to be prepared to walk through a few Baer right hands in order to do this.

He did not do it by hanging on to Baer like a frightened child onto its mother.


It amazes me how someone with 60 or so fights looks and is worse technically than every amateur in my gym. Some guys, like Marciano, look crude but when you watch closer, there's a lot of skillful things you miss at first. With Baer not so.


I disagree.

If you look at the close testimony of Baer oponents they do indicate a few subtlties. Some say for example that he could be deceptivley unpredictable with that right hand. He found ways to tag both Carnera and Schmeling that they did not expect. Max Schmeling said-

"I was simply outclassed"

Anyway.

A lot depends on which Baer turns up.

We know that Wlad will turn up in shape and take Baer verry seriously. If Baer chooses nto to pay him the same compliment then he will be in trouble.

If Baer dose take the fight seriously then Wlad will have to fight to survive and hope that he cam hold and spoil his way to a decision win. Based on his last two fights I have my doubts about whether he can.

Whether or not he is able to do this, he will be living in interesting times in the Chineese sense.

[Holmes' Jab]

[quote]
A lot depends on which Baer turns up.



Therein lies the key. If I were forced to make a choice I'd favour Wlad on the scorecards more often than otherwise, but if Baer entered the ring in tip-top mood and form then it becomes interesting indeed. His power could bail him out maybe once across a three fights series.

[Loewe]

Max Schmeling said-

"I was simply outclassed"

He may have said that but it was hardly right. It was a close fight until the stoppage. If i remember right, i had it even going into the last round of that fight.


Anyway.

A lot depends on which Baer turns up.

We know that Wlad will turn up in shape and take Baer verry seriously. If Baer chooses nto to pay him the same compliment then he will be in trouble.

If Baer dose take the fight seriously then Wlad will have to fight to survive and hope that he cam hold and spoil his way to a decision win. Based on his last two fights I have my doubts about whether he can.

Whether or not he is able to do this, he will be living in interesting times in the Chineese sense.
I agree with you that this wouldn´t be an easy fight but Wlad is the all around better fighter and the only thing that favours Baer is that Wlad´s greatest weakness is Baer´s greatest strength.

Interestingly that´s similar to Joe Louis and Max Schmeling. Joe Louis weakness of dropping his right after throwing his left just happened to clash with Schmeling´s strong right hand. Schmeling said in his biography, they were made for each other. But we all know what happened when Schmeling exposed this flaw in Louis´ game. He adjusted and smashed Max in one round.

So, Wlad´s weaknesses had been exposed by Purrity, Sanders and Brewster and like Louis he adjusted - changed his style to safety first and worked on his pacing and stamina. So, when he would meet Baer he already corrected this flaws and the only chance Baer has left is the ordinary punchers chance.

[ChrisPontius]

He had to fight a guy who outweighed him by the best part of 60 lbs for the title, who was a much better all round boxer.



True, which is why he also has a chance against Wlad.



That is not entirley fair.

Other factors were at play such as the fact that Baer broke BOTH his hands.

Baer claimed that he was fighting with two broken hands from the fourth onwards. If this is true then it is a strong mitigating circumstance.

While we cant verify exactly when in the fight his hands were broken they were both broken by the final bell and there is a doctors report to suport this.


But this goes both ways. Braddock was known for having hand problems, to the degree that he was stripped of his boxing license (in the brutal 20's!). Carnera is said to have had an ankle injury, possibly causing some of the knockdowns. Wlad broke his thumb on Brewster.

Maybe they're true, maybe not. I just see a lot of excuses for Baer. He lost the title because he clowned 15 rounds long, he broke his hands, he had the flue, hell it's a wonder he made it out of the ring alive!

However, the fact that he couldn't get back on track after the Braddock fight indicates that he had more trouble than just broken hands.


On a sidenote, if he did break his hands it wouldn't surprise me the slightest bit. Punching the sloppy way he does is just asking for hand injuries.




Of course Louis had to be prepared to walk through a few Baer right hands in order to do this.

He did not do it by hanging on to Baer like a frightened child onto its mother.


No, but he could have. And it shows you that just because someone is "knockdown-able", it doesn't mean that he is dead meat against a durable puncher. Baer received a horrible one-sided beating.

[janitor]

[quote=Loewe]He may have said that but it was hardly right. It was a close fight until the stoppage. If i remember right, i had it even going into the last round of that fight.


I agree.

How many people have actualy given Schmeling a close fight on the score cards, let alone a slugger?

I think that Baer had to aply what he had inteligently to get that win and he also had to be prepared to take a bit of a drubbing himself.



I agree with you that this wouldn´t be an easy fight but Wlad is the all around better fighter and the only thing that favours Baer is that Wlad´s greatest weakness is Baer´s greatest strength.

Interestingly that´s similar to Joe Louis and Max Schmeling. Joe Louis weakness of dropping his right after throwing his left just happened to clash with Schmeling´s strong right hand. Schmeling said in his biography, they were made for each other. But we all know what happened when Schmeling exposed this flaw in Louis´ game. He adjusted and smashed Max in one round.

So, Wlad´s weaknesses had been exposed by Purrity, Sanders and Brewster and like Louis he adjusted - changed his style to safety first and worked on his pacing and stamina. So, when he would meet Baer he already corrected this flaws and the only chance Baer has left is the ordinary punchers chance.


Wlads flaw is not one that he can corect simply by holding his hand a bit higher, it is more fundamental.

A focused Baer (never a given of course) would put more pressure on Wlad than anybody had before, including Peter, and would remain game to mix it up with him after tasting Wlads power.

He would also be able to stay with him for up to 20 rounds potentialy.

I certainly think that Baer would be a much sterner test than Peter or Ibragimov, and it is hard to say exactly what happens when Wlad has to soak up this juganaught.

I will close my post by saying that Baer probably has the biggest ratio between aplication and atainment of any heavyweight champion. His only peer in this regard is Riddick Bowe.

[janitor]

[quote=ChrisPontius]
But this goes both ways. Braddock was known for having hand problems, to the degree that he was stripped of his boxing license (in the brutal 20's!). Carnera is said to have had an ankle injury, possibly causing some of the knockdowns. Wlad broke his thumb on Brewster.

Maybe they're true, maybe not. I just see a lot of excuses for Baer. He lost the title because he clowned 15 rounds long, he broke his hands, he had the flue, hell it's a wonder he made it out of the ring alive!


Braddock undoubtedly suffered more from his hands than any other heavyweight champion. No contest. Perhaps we should see Baer breaking his had in Braddocks world title fight as a long overdue compensation.

As you say there is always an excuse when a fighter looses a major fight but Baer dose seem to have broken his hands in the Braddock fight. The medical report dose back this up.

It is hard to be certain what effect this had on the outcome of the fight.

Perhaps he was fighting with broken hands for much of the fight as he said.

Perhaps the injuries took place late in the fight and he was already too far down when it happeneed.

Perhaps it prevented him from bailing himself out in the 11th hour.


However, the fact that he couldn't get back on track after the Braddock fight indicates that he had more trouble than just broken hands.


Yes.

It was called Joe Louis.

Even so he did enjoy something of an Indian summer and established himself as the No1 contender late in his career.

Having stirred the pot I shall now do a few hours work.

[McGrain]

Baer.

[Mendoza]

Klitschko's stamina issue will be a big issue in a 15 rounder

Actually, Klitschko's stamina as of late has been excellent. I think he could go 15.

[Loewe]

Wlads flaw is not one that he can corect simply by holding his hand a bit higher, it is more fundamental.

Right, a shaky chin can´t be corrected but it can be protected and that´s something Wlad learned pretty well. It would be very hard for Baer ot get by Wlad´s jab, than he has to face a good tight guard combinated with good upper-body movement and Wlad´s grab tactics.
Also, like i said earlier. Wlad´s chin isn´t that good but his heart is. In all his three losses he beat the count every time and wanted to go on. This is often overlooked.


A focused Baer (never a given of course) would put more pressure on Wlad than anybody had before, including Peter, and would remain game to mix it up with him after tasting Wlads power.

He would also be able to stay with him for up to 20 rounds potentialy.

I certainly think that Baer would be a much sterner test than Peter or Ibragimov, and it is hard to say exactly what happens when Wlad has to soak up this juganaught.

I agree with you that Baer would certainly be a harder test than anybody he faced. But i don´t think he would beat him, perhaps 2 times out of ten.

I will close my post by saying that Baer probably has the biggest ratio between aplication and atainment of any heavyweight champion. His only peer in this regard is Riddick Bowe.

Well, can´t disagree here.

[Mendoza]

Loewe Right, a shaky chin can´t be corrected but it can be protected and that´s something Wlad learned pretty well. It would be very hard for Baer ot get by Wlad´s jab, than he has to face a good tight guard combinated with good upper-body movement and Wlad´s grab tactics.
Also, like i said earlier. Wlad´s chin isn´t that good but his heart is. In all his three losses he beat the count every time and wanted to go on. This is often overlooked.


Baer quit vs Louis, and flirted with DQ's in other fights. If anyones heart should be questioned in this match, its Baer's.


I agree with you that Baer would certainly be a harder test than anybody he faced. But i don´t think he would beat him, perhaps 2 times out of ten.

Pretty much Agree. Outside of the puncher chance, Baer doesn't have much of chance.

[SuzieQ49]

Your hate for the Klitschkos gets more and more absurd. Stay objective. Two of Peter´s knockdowns came from rabbit punches, none was a right hand punch - Max´s a one handed fighter with a nearly non-existent left - and Wlad was never really hurt from them. Instead he outboxed and nearly knocked Peter out at the end of the fight - so much for his stamina issue.

Why do people always think of the Wlad of years ago when it´s clear that today´s version is so much different to then? It has to be bias.


Your hate for the Klitschkos gets more and more absurd


Your lack of paying attention to threads gets extremley irritating my friend. I happen to be a huge wlad klitschko fan, I am just realistic. I am not a vitali fan at all.


Two of Peter´s knockdowns came from rabbit punches, none was a right hand punch - Max´s a one handed fighter with a nearly non-existent left - and Wlad was never really hurt from them.


one the last knockdown wlad went down without barely being hit, he started huffing and puffing heavily and looked like he was about to have another panic attack.


Max´s a one handed fighter with a nearly non-existent left - and Wlad was never really hurt from them. Instead he outboxed and nearly knocked Peter out at the end of the fight - so much for his stamina issue.


who says baers left was non existent? what draws you this conclusion?


Why do people always think of the Wlad of years ago when it´s clear that today´s version is so much different to then


you mean the lackidasical passive boring pawing wlad of today is better than the two fisted assasin of the 1990s who let his hands go like joe louis?

[SuzieQ49]

So, Wlad´s weaknesses had been exposed by Purrity, Sanders and Brewster and like Louis he adjusted - changed his style to safety first and worked on his pacing and stamina. So, when he would meet Baer he already corrected this flaws and the only chance Baer has left is the ordinary punchers chance.


but did he correct his flaws? the only dangerous pressure puncher wlad fought with his new style was sam peter, who floored baer 3 times!!! baer actually had much faster hands than peter and hit just as hard, and better durability.

[Loewe]

Your lack of paying attention to threads gets extremley irritating my friend. I happen to be a huge wlad klitschko fan, I am just realistic. I am not a vitali fan at all.

It doesn´t look like. If it would be so you wouldn´t have mentioned the three kds without mentioning two coming from illegal shots. Perhaps you were one at a time in the past but not nowadays, just doesn´t look like it. But well, i was a fan of Tyson and Jones once but their behaviour, career choices and development over the time made me to the complete opposite. so, i can understand you are dissapointed about Wlad.

one the last knockdown wlad went down without barely being hit, he started huffing and puffing heavily and looked like he was about to have another panic attack.
Neither did he get one nor was he hurt. Also, he got hit with harder punches during the fight without beeing hurt or getting a panic attack.

who says baers left was non existent? what draws you this conclusion?

Well, not existent may be a but exaggerated but i hardly saw him throw a dangerous left hand.

you mean the lackidasical passive boring pawing wlad of today is better than the two fisted assasin of the 1990s who let his hands go like joe louis?

Yep. Not as exciting but a good amount harder to beat. His offense now is more limited and he isn´t as spectacular as he used to be but now he has better stamina, paces himself better, has a better defence and fights more intelligent. Just all around he is better now than he was in the 90s.

[janitor]

[quote=Loewe]Right, a shaky chin can´t be corrected but it can be protected and that´s something Wlad learned pretty well. It would be very hard for Baer ot get by Wlad´s jab, than he has to face a good tight guard combinated with good upper-body movement and Wlad´s grab tactics.


Baer himself had prety good range so it is hard to say just how safe Wlad would be at arms length.

If Wlad grabs he will have to contend with Baers roughhouse tactics on the inside which at times included throws, headbutting, and rabbit punches.

Also if the fight is in Baers era then more punching in the clinches and roughouse tactics will be tolerated.


Also, like i said earlier. Wlad´s chin isn´t that good but his heart is. In all his three losses he beat the count every time and wanted to go on. This is often overlooked.


Agreed.


I agree with you that Baer would certainly be a harder test than anybody he faced. But i don´t think he would beat him, perhaps 2 times out of ten.


We will just have to keep watching Wlads fights then and see how they unfold.

He is coming off a couple of lacklustre performances but it might be simply the fact that both oponents were southpaws. If normal service is restored next time he fights an orthodox fighter we would have to consider that.

A Haye fight might be instructive if it ever happens.

[Ramon Rojo]

Wlad by TKO in the mid rounds.

[mcvey]

Baer quit vs Louis, and flirted with DQ's in other fights. If anyones heart should be questioned in this match, its Baer's.



Pretty much Agree. Outside of the puncher chance, Baer doesn't have much of chance.
Baer was unpredictable he took a good deal of punishment in both the Nova fights when he was clearly past his best,Wlad is the better technician ,but if a confident Baer comes in to the ring I think he has the power to stop Wlad ,and the chin to absorb his best shots.If Wlad had Baer's chin he might be an ATG.

[Loewe]

Baer himself had prety good range so it is hard to say just how safe Wlad would be at arms length.

If Wlad grabs he will have to contend with Baers roughhouse tactics on the inside which at times included throws, headbutting, and rabbit punches.

Also if the fight is in Baers era then more punching in the clinches and roughouse tactics will be tolerated.

I agree but want to throw in that Wlad didn´t have huge problems with Peter´s rough house tactics in their fight, Baer´s obviously better in that though.
Baer my have an equal range but he still would need to get by Wlad´s jab and that isn´t as easy as it sounds. I think to beat Wlad you need either very fast hands or more of a swarmer style. A normal puncher has a chance but not as much as somebody with the mentioned attributes.


We will just have to keep watching Wlads fights then and see how they unfold.

He is coming off a couple of lacklustre performances but it might be simply the fact that both oponents were southpaws. If normal service is restored next time he fights an orthodox fighter we would have to consider that.

A Haye fight might be instructive if it ever happens.

Well, Ibragimov and Thompson fought to survive not to win, at least that´s the impression i had, but you´re right he didn´t look good in these fights. I´m looking forward to his fight with Povetkin.

Haye has the speed and the power to beat Wlad but i think he´s more mouth than anything else. I doubt they ever fight because Haye will lose before they meet decisevly and then go back to cw.

[Zakman]

Klitschko won't be able to knock Baer out - Baer had one of the best HW chins of all-time, and he was one of the hardest punchers, too. That adds up to Wlad getting stopped, probably somewhere in the middle rounds.

[Loewe]

Klitschko won't be able to knock Baer out - Baer had one of the best HW chins of all-time, and he was one of the hardest punchers, too. That adds up to Wlad getting stopped, probably somewhere in the middle rounds.

Why am i not surprised about your prediction? :lol:

[ChrisPontius]

Why am i not surprised about your prediction? :lol:


Well he sees Lewis-Baer as a clear-cut KO win for Baer, so it's hardly surprising to see him pick Baer over a "lesser" version of Lewis.:D