Seriously, could anyone withstand Rocky's right against Walcott?

[fists of fury]

Self explanatory thread. Could any heavyweight in history have survived that right hand Joe took in the 13th?:think

[garymcfall]

Yep, Ali definiately could.
Foreman might have, Tyson very possibly.

[McGrain]

Ali would have got up, Jeffries may not have gone down.

[shelterr]

McCall...McCall

[ChrisPontius]

I believe any man can be knocked out given the right punch and more import, timing and other conditions.

Marciano landed a right like that rounds earlier and Walcott was not even knocked down. The key to this punch is that it was timed PERFECTLY. It landed right when Walcott was in the process of throwing a counter punch to a sort of left feint from Marciano. In this case it was not only Marciano's power that made him deadly, but also his unorthodoxness and unpredictability.

On top of that, Walcott was somewhat old and had 12 tough rounds behind him. These things matter too.

Just look at Ali-Frazier I. Frazier hit Ali with at least twenty or thirty hard left hooks. The only one that knocked him down was when Ali was exhausted (15th round) and when he was on the backfoot, in the process of throwing a punch himself. Power is just one factor among many that play a role in knockouts.


If all the circumstances are there as was the case against Walcott, i expect very very few heavyweights to get up from that shot.

[LogDog69]

Tua!!!

[mr. magoo]

1. Muhammad Ali
2. George Chuvalo
3. Larry Holmes
4. Tex Cobb
5. Joe Grimm
6. Tony Tucker
7. David Tua
8. Vitali Klitschko

And probably more.

[Terrible Terry]

James Toney would have eaten that shot

[fists of fury]

Do you guys think that was Rocky's best-ever shot?

[Manassa]

Kid Gavilan.

[fists of fury]

If all the circumstances are there as was the case against Walcott, i expect very very few heavyweights to get up from that shot.

Yes, this is important. The punch must land in exactly the same circumstances against another guy. Same round, the other guy must start to throw a punch as Walcott did, same everything.

[Holmes' Jab]

Holmes, Ali, McCall, Foreman, Chuvalo and perhaps Tyson.

It was certainly a chilling shot, though.

[janitor]

Do you guys think that was Rocky's best-ever shot?

There are other candidates such as the shot that droped Layne and the left hook that took out Matthews.

[Sweet Science]

Very few fighters could have took that shot without going down and/or being really hurt. But it's very hard to say as its so subjective.

My opinion is Ali may have been knocked down by the shot but he would have gotten up and recovered well.

Another fighter may be able to take the shot and stay on his feet, but could be really hurt and out of it, thus being stopped on his feet. For example Bruno would probably stay on his feet but he'd definitley be in la la land. He would freeze like a statue and the ref would stop the fight.

[Duodenum]

If Walcott had seen it coming, he might have withstood it. The vision in his left eye was momentarily obscured by some blood from a cut he sustained earlier in the match, blood which gushed into his eye from the jar of a jab he'd just delivered. Jersey Joe said that was the first of two jabs he was planning to unleash before attempting a right hand kayo punch. He had just started to throw the second of those two jabs (a fact confirmed by Marciano) when Rocky spotted the opening and threw what he called the hardest punch he ever attempted.

The suggestion has been made that when a boxer is in top condition, he cannot be knocked out, except by a punch he doesn't see coming. Although Walcott was indeed in peak condition, he couldn't see Marciano's right headed his way. So perhaps the question should be whether or not Walcott would have survived that punch had he not been blinded by the blood in that left eye.

Gene Tunney was looking directly at Dempsey's monster KD hook as it crashed into the right side of Gene's face. We can see him actually looking at it as contact is made. Ali also saw Frazier's left shoulder dip, and knew he was going to get clocked by a perfectly timed hook. Finally, we see Walcott looking directly at Marciano earlier in their match, as Rocky distorts Joe's face in the famous portrait of Marciano's mid ring overhand right.

In the eleventh round of the FOTC, Frazier buckled Ali's knees with a very similarly powerful left hook as Muhammad was trapped against the ropes. It was actually a more devastating shot than his more spectacular looking knockdown punch, and may have been the hardest punch of Smoke's career.

Cobb certainly could have stood up to it. I think Chuvalo could have stood up to it, but would have had his bell sufficiently rung to force a subsequent stoppage in short order.

[Titan1]

Tex Cobb
George Chuvalo
Muhammad Ali
Jimmy Young
Larry Holmes
Mitch Green
Tim Witherspoon.

[Unforgiven]

Self explanatory thread. Could any heavyweight in history have survived that right hand Joe took in the 13th?:think

I dont think so.
Walcott didn't see it coming.
Anyone taking that punch blind like that would have been KO'd.

[guilalah]

Fists of Fury

Could any heavyweight in history have survived that right hand Joe took in the 13th

------

gary mcfall

Tyson very possibly.




13th round of a tough fight? I'm inclined to think that, if Tyson does get up, he's burnt toast.

Maybe it's different if the punch landed earlier in the fight.

[Swarmer]

Some of the bigger guys, probably. Size and leverage/hitting position played a part on how well that thing landed. Imagine that right reaching for George Foreman or Lennox's chin, it wouldn't be the same punch.

Obviously weight is a factor.

[Peter Brit]

every man and his dog.

Don Cockell was a light heavy floored by Randy Turpin at 162 until his thyroid problem. Look at how many punches he took from Rocky. Most heavies would collapse having to throw that many punches.

Walcott was chinny look at his records, particulary against light heavies. If the guy had never been knocked down or once or twice by great punchers fair enough but that was not the case.

Charles was koed by single punches, Rocky took 24 rounds.

La Starza knocked down in the 1st, 3rd and 5th by Julio Mendes a year after facing rocky. Rocky gave La Starza a shot because everybody felt Rocky lost their first fight. Check out the punches La Starza takes.

Rocky's power was average at the highest level, his workrate was really special and thats what stopped his oppentents. For single punch power he is not even top ten in the 1950's. Thats based on Cockell, LaStarza and Charles being koed far easier by other fighters.

Rocky was death by fifty punches not one shot.

[Peter Brit]

Sorry rant over, but look at majority of rocky's stoppages they are not single shots, they are a storm of punches. On his way up he koed a few guys with single shots, but you will only find 7 fighters who had not lost 2 or 3 times in their last six fights when they fought rocky. Unless you go way, way back. Until Walcott he was well protected.

[mcvey]

Sorry rant over, but look at majority of rocky's stoppages they are not single shots, they are a storm of punches. On his way up he koed a few guys with single shots, but you will only find 7 fighters who had not lost 2 or 3 times in their last six fights when they fought rocky. Unless you go way, way back. Until Walcott he was well protected.

Walcott stated on national TV that Marciano had better one punch powwer than Joe Louis, and Louis was sitting next to him at the time.


Walcott beat big punchers like, Elmer Ray x3,Curtess Hatchet Man Sheppard x2, Joe Baksi, Rex Layne ,and Tommy Gomez.

[Unforgiven]

Sorry rant over, but look at majority of rocky's stoppages they are not single shots, they are a storm of punches. On his way up he koed a few guys with single shots, but you will only find 7 fighters who had not lost 2 or 3 times in their last six fights when they fought rocky. Unless you go way, way back. Until Walcott he was well protected.


Perhaps all your points are good, but that particularly shot that he landed on Walcott, the power, the timing, the accuracy, and the fact that Walcott didn't see it, made it a brutally effective single punch.

I believe it would knock anyone out if it lands on the chin with the same power and accuracy and they fail to see it, and fail to roll with it.

[Foreman Hook]

Foreman
Lennox
Old Foreman
Tua
Ibeachui
Mavrovic
Merciless Mercer
Holyfeild

[dezbeast]

For single punch power he is not even top ten in the 1950's

Wow! And I thought I was hard on Rocky's power.

[Foreman Hook]

I believe it would knock anyone out if it lands on the chin with the same power and accuracy and they fail to see it, and fail to roll with it.

:yikes:admin:shock::scaredas:
How's about Holyfeild who tuck Mega-Hard Haymakers on teh Cheen from Lennox X2 , Old Foreman, mercer, Tyson, Stewart, Savarese, Rahman And Dokes???

could a 185lb Man punch harder then those i list above?!? :?

[The Mongoose]

every man and his dog.

Don Cockell was a light heavy floored by Randy Turpin at 162 until his thyroid problem. Look at how many punches he took from Rocky. Most heavies would collapse having to throw that many punches.

Walcott was chinny look at his records, particulary against light heavies. If the guy had never been knocked down or once or twice by great punchers fair enough but that was not the case.

Charles was koed by single punches, Rocky took 24 rounds.

La Starza knocked down in the 1st, 3rd and 5th by Julio Mendes a year after facing rocky. Rocky gave La Starza a shot because everybody felt Rocky lost their first fight. Check out the punches La Starza takes.

Rocky's power was average at the highest level, his workrate was really special and thats what stopped his oppentents. For single punch power he is not even top ten in the 1950's. Thats based on Cockell, LaStarza and Charles being koed far easier by other fighters.

Rocky was death by fifty punches not one shot.

Preposterous points...

-Cockell was just an ugly fight from a sloppy Rocky

-Walcott was certainly not chinny, having only been stopped by a Joe Louis combination after being properly fed and trained since his 1944 return to the ring. In this time he beat several powerful punchers like Charles, Elmer Ray, Harold Johnson, and Curtis Shepard. He was only dropped twice..by Louis and Charles in this time.

-After World War II, Charles was only dropped once and stopped by Walcott in the 10 years leading up to the Marciano fight. And that was a perfectly timed punch from a powerful man he had previously beat twice and would go the distance with again. He stood up to punches from Satterfield, Johnson, Layne, Ray, Valdez, Baski...etc.

-Yeah, LaStarza certainly got stopped AFTER being brutalized by Marciano in their rematch. In addition to the controversy surrounding the first Marciano fight, he also got his title shot by being a long time top contender to his credit, picking up a couple top 5 wins in his time.
rounds.

Obviously, Marciano had below average speed and resulting accuracy problems. To compenstate he was sometimes forced to sacrifice power for volume. Especially the LaStarza fight, where he was specifically trained to do this. However, when he hit clean he usually put his man to sleep with one shot, and his less accurate punches were very damaging.

[Unforgiven]

:yikes:admin:shock::scaredas:
How's about Holyfeild who tuck Mega-Hard Haymakers on teh Cheen from Lennox X2 , Old Foreman, mercer, Tyson, Stewart, Savarese, Rahman And Dokes???

could a 185lb Man punch harder then those i list above?!? :?

Holyfield was a great fighter who took a great punch, was always in tip-top condition and rolled with the punches.

But imagining he took the shot flush, and blind (doesn't see it coming, doesn't have chance to roll with it), I think he gets KO'd.

It's not a case of whether 185 pound can punch harder, it's a case of can any human head and nervous system take the force generated by that man's perfect punch in a situation where the punch is not anticipated in the slightest ?
I say not.

But, hey, maybe Holyfield would never have allowed himself to be caught like that. He had great SKILL at taking punches, and that's something people seem not to appreciate.
People talk as if some of these guys are just taking flush shots on the chin all day without a care, but really they rolling with those punches, even the ones that land they soften the blow with skills of relaxation, fluid movement and iron will.
Walcott never had a chance.

[Foreman Hook]

It's not a case of whether 185 pound can punch harder, it's a case of can any human head and nervous system take the force generated by that man's perfect punch in a situation where the punch is not anticipated in the slightest ?
I say not.
.


i think 185lbs man -even marciano - is too-light to punch hard enough to KO teh most iron-chinned 215lb+ men....espesially Old Foreman, Lennox Or Holyfeild.

BUT - i kinda see your general point you make, it just Marciano is not heavy enough to get enough power to do that IMO. BUT - The punch by Rahman which KO'D Lennox would IMO KTFO any man exept Old Foreman, Lennox or Holyfield.

[tommygun711]

i think 185lbs man -even marciano - is too-light to punch hard enough to KO any 215lb+ man....espesially Old Foreman, Lennox Or Holyfeild.

BUT - i kinda see your general point you make, it just Marciano is not heavy enough to get enough power to do that IMO. BUT - The punch by Rahman which KO'D Lennox would IMO KTFO any man exept Old Foreman, Lennox or Holyfield.
That's not really good logic then. Sure he could KO any 215+ man if he lands his best punch. He could knock ANYONE out.
marciano definitely hits harder then Holyfield, Stewart, Savarese, Rahman, Dokes, and Mercer for sure.

[Peter Brit]

Agree with you unforgiven on not seeing the punch coming and moving into it. I also think rocky was particulaily good at catching people because of his volume of punches with a punch they would not see. The affect these punches had against the majoprity of his top oppentents prove my point about him not being a single shot big puncher. Also Walcott was backing off in the fight at that point to get a breathier and yes he made the wrong move making the punch worse. I would argue it is a tired guy making a mistake not a great single punch. I would agree Rocky style would wear you down to such an extend you can see the problems coming. This again makes my point of a fifty punch monster not a single shot punch speacialist.

Take away Rocky's stamina or put him in with a big heavy with a great jab who can keep him off and it does not happen. I do not see that punch getting to Walcott in the first round it need thirteen rounds to get Walcott to that point, the punch is on.

Might look like a great single shot but it is not it is last move in a chess game. Rocky's chess games were about stamina and wearing you down, not big power shots, but fifty nasty decent power shots.

[Unforgiven]

Agree with you unforgiven on not seeing the punch coming and moving into it. I also think rocky was particulaily good at catching people because of his volume of punches with a punch they would not see. The affect these punches had against the majoprity of his top oppentents prove my point about him not being a single shot big puncher. Also Walcott was backing off in the fight at that point to get a breathier and yes he made the wrong move making the punch worse. I would argue it is a tired guy making a mistake not a great single punch. I would agree Rocky style would wear you down to such an extend you can see the problems coming. This again makes my point of a fifty punch monster not a single shot punch speacialist.

Take away Rocky's stamina or put him in with a big heavy with a great jab who can keep him off and it does not happen. I do not see that punch getting to Walcott in the first round it need thirteen rounds to get Walcott to that point, the punch is on.

Might look like a great single shot but it is not it is last move in a chess game. Rocky's chess games were about stamina and wearing you down, not big power shots, but fifty nasty decent power shots.

You make good points.

I do believe Walcott made a mistake, lapsed in concentration, (and had a trickle of blood obscuring his vision) and that it cannot be guaranteed other great fighters would make the same error.
On the other hand, I guess that's what made Marciano great - he put on pressure and forced the opponent in front of him to become tired and make errors.

Having said that, Walcott was none too smart in his 2nd fight with Louis either, and got caught while doing what appears to be an unnecessary amount of his characteristic shoulder shuffling.
Others will tell me Walcott was the most skillful genius heavyweight of all-time. I dont know, i dont buy it.

I guess the answer to the thread is YES and NO.
Yes, some other fighters would always be able to take the sting out of a Marciano shot thrown at them just enough to avoid being KO'd.
But, NO, if they took it as Walcott too they would suffer the same fate.

[Bill1234]

Agree with you unforgiven on not seeing the punch coming and moving into it. I also think rocky was particulaily good at catching people because of his volume of punches with a punch they would not see. The affect these punches had against the majoprity of his top oppentents prove my point about him not being a single shot big puncher. Also Walcott was backing off in the fight at that point to get a breathier and yes he made the wrong move making the punch worse. I would argue it is a tired guy making a mistake not a great single punch. I would agree Rocky style would wear you down to such an extend you can see the problems coming. This again makes my point of a fifty punch monster not a single shot punch speacialist.

Take away Rocky's stamina or put him in with a big heavy with a great jab who can keep him off and it does not happen. I do not see that punch getting to Walcott in the first round it need thirteen rounds to get Walcott to that point, the punch is on.

Might look like a great single shot but it is not it is last move in a chess game. Rocky's chess games were about stamina and wearing you down, not big power shots, but fifty nasty decent power shots.

I believe it was Walcott who said that Rocky hurt you more with 1 punch than Louis did with 4.

The Marciano of 1953 on back was more of a swarmer who gave up power for sheer volume. Taking a little bit off of his punches and just hitting people wherever he could still got him KO's, just not the spectacular 1 punch KO's like he had against Layne and Walcott. Against guys like Archie Moore and Don Cockell he was still putting them on queer street and knocking them down with punches that they rolled with and did not land very cleanly.

[manbearpig]

i think 185lbs man -even marciano - is too-light to punch hard enough to KO teh most iron-chinned 215lb+ men....espesially Old Foreman, Lennox Or Holyfeild.

BUT - i kinda see your general point you make, it just Marciano is not heavy enough to get enough power to do that IMO. BUT - The punch by Rahman which KO'D Lennox would IMO KTFO any man exept Old Foreman, Lennox or Holyfield.

A punch that knocked out Lewis wouldn't knock out Lewis :lol:

[Dempsey1238]

I belive had that shot hit Lewis the same way it hit Walcott, all things being even.

I dont see Lewis getting up. Not after he was ko by one shots 2 times.

[choklab]

The answer has to be no. no because we are talking about the actual impact under the same circumstances Walcott received a serious concussion. Walcott was out cold for a worryingly long time and never the same again proving the impact was sufficient to put anyone asleep for at least 10 seconds.

To say "yes somebody could withstand that impact" is to ignore the fact that sufficient generated force renders all human beings unconscious. Its not how big or heavy the fighter, it is the impact generated in exactly the right place.

the non penetrating stun bolt cattle gun uses compressed air and a blunt bolt to the forehead to generate exactly the impact required to knockout a bull for slaughter. this instrument is designed to effectively deliver the exact amount of force in exactly the right place without timing, to produce concussion. apparently it works on all bulls. It would put chuvalo out too! to say the correct amount of generated force to put a fighter to sleep for minuets would not knock someone out is to say that a bolt from a stun bolt cattle gun would not put them to sleep either!

a well timed punch generating all this works on humans but a whole lot of factors have to come in to produce this. it has to be perfect.

when fighters don’t get knocked out by one punch it is because they do not suffer from receiving a perfect single shot that generates that force on that particular impact.

[red cobra]

I dont think so.
Walcott didn't see it coming.
Anyone taking that punch blind like that would have been KO'd.
Absolutely.:deal

[Bad Dog]

Vitali.

[choklab]

Vitali.



vitali would be knocked as cold as a kipper.

[prime]

A punch that knocked out Lewis wouldn't knock out Lewis :lol:

Respectfully, Foreman Hook is fun!

[Azzer85]

Paulie Malignaggi

[heehoo]

George Chuvalo certainly could. He took Joe Frazier's and George Foreman's punches, and while he lost both of those figths by TKO, he was never knocked off his feet. I am sure he would withstand Marciano's Susie Q.

[booradley]

Didn't Marciano land a pretty brutal left hook to the body just before the right hand landed?

Edit: nope, the left was more of a feint.

[choklab]

George Chuvalo certainly could. He took Joe Frazier's and George Foreman's punches, and while he lost both of those figths by TKO, he was never knocked off his feet. I am sure he would withstand Marciano's Susie Q.

If foreman, Frazier and Marciano landed flush when chuvalo didn’t see it coming and it landed exactly the same way as Walcott was knocked out then absolutely YES it would knock out even chuvalo. Only Maybe chuvalo would get up at 11 instead of 3 minutes later.

At the end of the day the velocity on impact of a perfect KO punch generates the exact right amount of force (when the fighter has not braced himself) it will knockout anybody.

It’s ridiculously hard to land the perfect punch blind like that on a world class fighter but providing the level of force on impact is there it will do for any human. Saying it would not is like saying a non penetrating slaughterhouse cattle bolt gun does not work.

[he grant]

It was a terrific shot ... if it takes out the best chins ever, who knows ... pure speculation.

[heehoo]

If foreman, Frazier and Marciano landed flush when chuvalo didn’t see it coming and it landed exactly the same way as Walcott was knocked out then absolutely YES it would knock out even chuvalo. Only Maybe chuvalo would get up at 11 instead of 3 minutes later.

At the end of the day the velocity on impact of a perfect KO punch generates the exact right amount of force (when the fighter has not braced himself) it will knockout anybody.

It’s ridiculously hard to land the perfect punch blind like that on a world class fighter but providing the level of force on impact is there it will do for any human. Saying it would not is like saying a non penetrating slaughterhouse cattle bolt gun does not work.

Good point, but I'd believe it if I ever saw Chuvalo off his feet. Because he never was, I agree to disagree.

[Russell]

The answer has to be no. no because we are talking about the actual impact under the same circumstances Walcott received a serious concussion. Walcott was out cold for a worryingly long time and never the same again proving the impact was sufficient to put anyone asleep for at least 10 seconds.

To say "yes somebody could withstand that impact" is to ignore the fact that sufficient generated force renders all human beings unconscious. Its not how big or heavy the fighter, it is the impact generated in exactly the right place.

the non penetrating stun bolt cattle gun uses compressed air and a blunt bolt to the forehead to generate exactly the impact required to knockout a bull for slaughter. this instrument is designed to effectively deliver the exact amount of force in exactly the right place without timing, to produce concussion. apparently it works on all bulls. It would put chuvalo out too! to say the correct amount of generated force to put a fighter to sleep for minuets would not knock someone out is to say that a bolt from a stun bolt cattle gun would not put them to sleep either!

a well timed punch generating all this works on humans but a whole lot of factors have to come in to produce this. it has to be perfect.

when fighters don’t get knocked out by one punch it is because they do not suffer from receiving a perfect single shot that generates that force on that particular impact.

What the fuck is this rambling bullshit :lol::lol:

[choklab]

Good point, but I'd believe it if I ever saw Chuvalo off his feet. Because he never was, I agree to disagree.


did you see bonavena put him down? it wasnt a good knockdown, but he went over. I recon george had great anticipation, he was mostly always ready whena shot came his way. even when they landed he had high shoulders and a low chin, his jaw was always braced against his own chest, plus he had such a broad head and was hugely strong.

[choklab]

What the fuck is this rambling bullshit :lol::lol:


hey, I had time on my hands lol!!

[Bummy Davis]

I believe any man can be knocked out given the right punch and more import, timing and other conditions.

Marciano landed a right like that rounds earlier and Walcott was not even knocked down. The key to this punch is that it was timed PERFECTLY. It landed right when Walcott was in the process of throwing a counter punch to a sort of left feint from Marciano. In this case it was not only Marciano's power that made him deadly, but also his unorthodoxness and unpredictability.

On top of that, Walcott was somewhat old and had 12 tough rounds behind him. These things matter too.

Just look at Ali-Frazier I. Frazier hit Ali with at least twenty or thirty hard left hooks. The only one that knocked him down was when Ali was exhausted (15th round) and when he was on the backfoot, in the process of throwing a punch himself. Power is just one factor among many that play a role in knockouts.


If all the circumstances are there as was the case against Walcott, i expect very very few heavyweights to get up from that shot.

I agree Chris, In regard to Frazier and Ali even though Ali was KD in the 15th I think he was hurt badly in the 11th in the FOTC by a Frazier Hook, I think he was hurt worse in the 11th than the 15th when he was dropped

[Bummy Davis]

tough punch to recover from, it was timed right and a short powerful punch....Walcott took a few earlier but was rolling pretty good, I don't think he saw the one in the 13th and those are the one that get you. Its funny but Marciano is considered slow but I disagree, he had a quick release on those 6-inchers and those were killer blasts Rex Layne was victim to a different version but equally effective

[MRBILL]

Self explanatory thread. Could any heavyweight in history have survived that right hand Joe took in the 13th?:thinkJoe Walcott is without a doubt in the top-5 of ATG heavies with finess, slickness and savvy, but his chin was always suspect...

I think several ex-champs from various era's could've absorbed that Marciano right hand much better than Walcott did in 1952 and 1953...

No discredit to Marciano... Marciano was desperate in the 13th round... And a desperado is a dangerous dude...

MR.BILL:bbb:deal:hat

[Vic-JofreBRASIL]

Jim Jeffries, maybe....

[red cobra]

Marciano's title winning right hand would have knocked out any fighter of history.

[red cobra]

i think 185lbs man -even marciano - is too-light to punch hard enough to KO teh most iron-chinned 215lb+ men....espesially Old Foreman, Lennox Or Holyfeild.

BUT - i kinda see your general point you make, it just Marciano is not heavy enough to get enough power to do that IMO. BUT - The punch by Rahman which KO'D Lennox would IMO KTFO any man exept Old Foreman, Lennox or Holyfield.
I know as much about quantum physics as you know about boxing foreman hook..

[Son of Gaul]

James Toney
Ray Mercer
Mike Tyson
Jerry Quarry
Big George
...these guys would walk right through the punch.


Larry Holmes
Joe Frazier

...these two would get floored by the punch and get right back up.

[MRBILL]

Again Joe Walcott's main weakness in his package was his chin... :deal:bbb

I gotta assume some of the post 1960 heavies might have ate the famous shot well enough to hold on, etc... Walcott crumbling like a pretzel really is no shock...
:blood:-(:yep:scaredas:

MR.BILL:hat

[Son of Gaul]

James Toney
Ray Mercer
Mike Tyson
Jerry Quarry
Big George
...these guys would walk right through the punch.


Larry Holmes
Joe Frazier

...these two would get floored by the punch and get right back up.

Just a quick note here...Jerry, unlike Toney or Mercer, would have felt the punch but would have willed himself through it...as he did against Norton, Lyle and Shavers(short fight but watch that first round again).

[bigjake]

if anyone could have taken george chuvalo could,and several others i think.but most would have hit the deck from that massive shot

[bigjake]

did you see bonavena put him down? it wasnt a good knockdown, but he went over. I recon george had great anticipation, he was mostly always ready whena shot came his way. even when they landed he had high shoulders and a low chin, his jaw was always braced against his own chest, plus he had such a broad head and was hugely strong.
chuvalo wasn't down against bonavena.if he could take foremans blow oscar wasn't going to put him down the ref ruled them both pushes which they were.he said later bonavena's real dog ran like hell in the ring,after telling george he'd meet him head on.

[frankwornank]

Cobb, Chuvalo and maybe Murcer. All would have been stopped as they tried to recover. That punch was the result of Marciano's power and Walcott coming in with his own punch. A head on collision with Rocky landing a split second before Walcott would have.