Pavlik V Hopkins UK betting. [Archive]

JonOli

08-01-2008, 11:13 AM

Govanmauler

08-01-2008, 11:15 AM

With some UK bookies at them moment you can get Hopkins, to win, at 11/4 (nearly 3/1), and Pavlik as short as 2/9 - ie. stick a tenner on Bernard you win £27.50 plus your tenner back - stick a tenner on Pavlik you win £2.20 plus your tenner back.

When the UK betting exchanges open the market for this match; Bernard will more then likely be at even longer odds.

Is it just me, or does Hopkins seem like a good bet at this price?

He sure does , but then thats how the bookies get you :D

JonOli

08-01-2008, 11:16 AM

To be honest I though this match wouldn't be far off evens for both of them. Perhaps Pavlik the slight favourite; certainly not a near red hot favourite.

GazOC

08-01-2008, 11:18 AM

If you fancy Hopkins I'd take that price, he's a good talker, when he starts making his case at the pressers he'll convince quite a few people he's worth a punt and the price will come in.

Beeston Brawler

08-01-2008, 11:25 AM

I think Hopkins would be good value.

For me, Pavlik's power will be taken totally out of the equation, and as he hasn't fought anyone with nearly as much ring savvy as Hopkins I see him becoming unstuck.

Hopkins close but clear UD, or late stoppage :deal

JonOli

08-01-2008, 02:44 PM

Roach has just come out, and stated that he's concerned for Hopkins health.

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dan-b

08-01-2008, 03:00 PM

Roach has just come out, and stated that he's concerned for Hopkins health.

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Personally I'm more concerned for Pac's health. How Roach can allow him to jump up to 147 is beyond me. Very irresponsible.

trotter

08-01-2008, 04:32 PM

He sure does , but then thats how the bookies get you :D

That is funny and deadly seriously all at the same time, very eloquently put sir

Pavlik beats Hopkins. I'm quite sure of that. I think Hopkins is seriously on the slide, he'll still be tough, he'll still make it close, but he can't beat a young hard working guy like Pavlik any more IMO.

He can't apply enough pressure for a KO, and the judges have shown a dislike for Hopkins style in tight fights.

TFFP

08-01-2008, 04:35 PM

Yes, Hopkins backers should get in on that now its very good value. People are obviously buying into the Pavlik hysteria.

I will only be placing a conservative bet on this, as he'll likely get screwed over by the judges in favour of the new golden boy of American boxing. Then all his fans will justify it with "well Calzaghe got it on activity". This shit is predictable.

Betty Swollocks

08-01-2008, 10:26 PM

That is funny and deadly seriously all at the same time, very eloquently put sir

Pavlik beats Hopkins. I'm quite sure of that. I think Hopkins is seriously on the slide, he'll still be tough, he'll still make it close, but he can't beat a young hard working guy like Pavlik any more IMO.

He can't apply enough pressure for a KO, and the judges have shown a dislike for Hopkins style in tight fights.

bookies call things wrong, make no mistake about that. If you know what you are doing you can win money off them long term...especially on a sport like boxing.

Hopkins has been underrated by the books for a long time (and I hate him), going back to when he was 3/1 against Trinidad. He was about that same price against Tarver and I think he may have been outsider against Winky too. He was also a stupidly big 8/13 against DLH. I reckon this 11/4 against Pavlik is overpriced due to all the hype. At the end of 12 rounds against Calzaghe, Hopkins was heavy favourite in the betting on Betfair....then the decision was announced. He still has enough to mug Pavlik.

trotter

08-02-2008, 02:56 AM

bookies call things wrong, make no mistake about that. If you know what you are doing you can win money off them long term...especially on a sport like boxing.

I agree

My Betfair account shows a big loss overall on horses, profit on football and good profit on boxing

I happen to think boxing is relatively easy to bet on if you pick and choose wisely. For example Hatton rarely wins early, Joe and Hopkins and Winky and Toney will nearly always be in points fights. You don't get that predictability in many other sports.

Other fights - Margarito last weekend for example - are clearly close affairs to people who follow the sport - but the less popular fighter will be at a long price. I believe Margarito was 2-1 which (if true) is pretty long IMO.

I suppose that applies to Pavlik-Hopkins to an extent.

Beeston Brawler

08-02-2008, 03:15 AM

If someone had offered me 3-1 for Hopkins against Tito I would have put everything on it, ditto against Wright at a 170 catchweight!

Hopkins though will never win a close fight, the judges just don't like his style - a judge had him losing to DLH when all Oscar was doing was potshotting. I aren't a fan either, but see that this Pavlik hysteria will end - all this 'well Calzaghe did this' bollocks - Joe was pushed close to the edge by Hopkins make no mistake, and Joe is a far more rounded fighter than Pavlik, who is a one dimensional banger.

But Hopkins likes facing bangers - people are basing their opinions on this fight on thr fact that Hopkins lost to Taylor twice and Pavlik won twice - but I say watch the fights. It could be argued that Hopkins won both of those, having given away pretty much the first half of each, whilst Pavlik was one clean shot from being KTFO in the first, and was on the right end of a close UD in the second.

Back to betting....

Hatton is a hard one to pick - these are my recent predictions (all for Hatton to win)

Lazcano Round 4
Mayweather SD
Castillo Round 11
Urango Round 8
Collazo UD
Maussa Round 7
Tszyu UD (great odds!)

stuey

08-02-2008, 04:17 AM

bhops getting ktfo in this one, i can feel it:good

dan-b

08-02-2008, 04:38 AM

bhops getting ktfo in this one, i can feel it:good

Oh if you can feel it then that changes everything.

dwilson

08-02-2008, 04:59 AM

B-Hop is making a big step up in class from his last opponent so I expect him to lose in convincing fashion maybe by late KO.

GazOC

08-02-2008, 05:45 AM

Tszyu UD (great odds!)

Tell me about it! I had a good bet at 11/2 on a Hatton points win, I was counting my money until Zoo quit in the 11th.

trotter

08-02-2008, 06:00 AM

Tell me about it! I had a good bet at 11/2 on a Hatton points win, I was counting my money until Zoo quit in the 11th.
I had money on Hatton in 11 (from memory 16-1) and Tszyu in 2 (sadly I dreamt about the fight, and Tszyu sparked him in 2 rounds, but my head said Hatton would win by wearing him down a la Phillips)

When the 11th ended I thought my bet had gone, I still think it a bit odd that it counts as an eleventh round stoppage when Tszyu had completed the eleventh...I can see the logic but somehow it still doesn't compute...I wasn't complaining

Tonights fight is a tough one to call I reckon. Safe bet would be Clottey points I suppose.

GazOC

08-02-2008, 06:11 AM

The bell didn't ring for the 12th, if the bell had rang and Zoo failed to answer it then it would have been a 12th round stoppage otherwise its still the 11th.

yorkshire_boy

08-02-2008, 08:39 AM

B-Hop is making a big step up in class from his last opponent so I expect him to lose in convincing fashion maybe by late KO.

:nut

I like Pavlik but saying he's a step up in class like it's fact is silly! He had a good win against Taylor but hasn't ever faced anyone in the class of Calzaghe / Hopkins.

Should me an intriguing fight in my opinion.

slapsSOgood

08-02-2008, 10:36 AM

don't feed the trolls.

I am going to have a couple of quid on Popkins.

bigmarkd86

08-02-2008, 05:44 PM

GazOC

08-02-2008, 05:52 PM

I think Pavlik will win but anything less than 2/1 isn't good value IMHO. You never know with Hopkins.

TheChamp1000

08-02-2008, 05:57 PM

With some UK bookies at them moment you can get Hopkins, to win, at 11/4 (nearly 3/1), and Pavlik as short as 2/9 - ie. stick a tenner on Bernard you win £27.50 plus your tenner back. Stick a tenner on Pavlik you win £2.20 plus your tenner back.

When the UK betting exchanges open the market for this match; Bernard will more then likely be at even longer odds.

Is it just me, or does Hopkins seem like a good bet at this price?

It depends how you read the fight really, I could see some folks thinking Pavlik is a sure thing and 2/9 being a good price. I think it will be a closer fight than the betting suggest, dunno if I would put my hard earned down on it though.

Last week some bookies had cotto 1/4 fav and margarito was about 5/2, 3-1 that was badly priced.

Cobbler

08-02-2008, 07:14 PM

I think Pavlik will win but anything less than 2/1 isn't good value IMHO. You never know with Hopkins.

Presumably you mean 1/2 rather than 2/1?

GazOC

08-02-2008, 07:19 PM

Oops!! Yep, sorry...I'd been on the piss watching Liverpool demolish the 'Gers.

yorkshire_boy

08-02-2008, 07:49 PM

think hopkins should be about 13/8 for this fight,its all good having power but you need to hit your opponent with it imo.also got 200 on judah tonight,and i cant believe campbell is 2/1 against a fighter stepping up in weight!Guzman aint no mayweather or pac!

I wouldn't dare bet on Zab cos he's unpredictable!!! Good luck with it though, might have a nice earner there! Was it on Judah decision or just victor?

JonOli

09-25-2008, 04:39 PM

Hopkins stamina is a big issue. I'm still tempted to have a small wager though at nearly 3/1 on popkins to win.

Pavlik is the hope of American boxing though... the judges may be swayed...

toffeejack

09-25-2008, 04:44 PM

I am doing a £20 double on Hopkins and Roy Jones to win.

JonOli

09-25-2008, 04:49 PM

£262 return...

GazOC

09-25-2008, 05:17 PM

Whats the best odds have you seen Pavlik by stoppage?

JonOli

09-25-2008, 05:29 PM

Whats the best odds have you seen Pavlik by stoppage?

At the moment it's 9/4 at Ladbrokes - but I guess more odds will pop up closer to the time.

JonOli

09-25-2008, 05:33 PM

9/1 Hopkins to stop Pavlik.

GazOC

09-25-2008, 05:35 PM

Ol Pops doesn't stop fighters anymore...;O)

JonOli

09-25-2008, 05:44 PM

Not surprising considering he cant throw more then 3 punches in a row nowadays.

I do still fancy popkins on points though; given the odds.

mike464

09-25-2008, 07:01 PM

It comes down to whether you think Hopkins will be able to stop Pavlik because there is no way they will let Hopkins win on points.

I'm actually quite worried that Hopkins will get stopped for the first time.

PaddyD1983

09-25-2008, 07:06 PM

B-Hop is making a big step up in class from his last opponent

:think ...:nono

LiamE

09-25-2008, 08:52 PM

What odds do you reckon you'd get on Hopkins being graceless after the fight, win or lose?

FLINT ISLAND

09-26-2008, 02:08 AM

What odds do you reckon you'd get on Hopkins being graceless after the fight, win or lose?

TIME FOR YOU TO TAKE YOUR MEDICATION MR LIAM :good

r_9-Ronaldo

09-26-2008, 02:37 AM

I think hopkins will lay day the print on how to beat pavlik but wont be able to carry it through himself and future fighters will be able to do it

JonOli

10-19-2008, 11:41 PM

Damn. I was going to lump on Hopkins - but got put off by Freddie Roach, old man Tarvers performance, and less so the general consensus everywhere. Beforehand It was always a hard fight to choose a winner out of though.

yorkshire_boy

10-20-2008, 05:57 PM

With some UK bookies at them moment you can get Hopkins, to win, at 11/4 (nearly 3/1), and Pavlik as short as 2/9 - ie. stick a tenner on Bernard you win £27.50 plus your tenner back. Stick a tenner on Pavlik you win £2.20 plus your tenner back.

When the UK betting exchanges open the market for this match; Bernard will more then likely be at even longer odds.

Is it just me, or does Hopkins seem like a good bet at this price?

I put £20 on haha. It was 4.7 (decimal betting) on betfair.com though, so £94 back for a £20 stake... not bad at all