Clay-Jones

[Muchmoore]

What's your scorecard for this fight? I watched it on ESPN Classic today and it was the first time I actually scored the fight and I had it 6-4 Clay. But there were several rounds which were about dead even and could of gone either way..

I always hear people say things like "Jones deserved the W" or "Jones was robbed." It was a good fight that could of gone either way and probably should of been a draw.

[Muchmoore]

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[Bill Butcher]

I havent watched it in quite a while but I remember having a similar score & thinking `what was all the fuss about ?`it was a decent competitive fight, but robbery ?.... No.

[The Wanderer]

Whenever an ATG has a tough or close fight early in their career, it tends to evolve from tough to tougher than it should have been to controversial to a robbery. Eventually it get used as proof that they're not all that great afterall. That's my experience with fans, at least. ;)

[john garfield]

What's your scorecard for this fight? I watched it on ESPN Classic today and it was the first time I actually scored the fight and I had it 6-4 Clay. But there were several rounds which were about dead even and could of gone either way..

I always hear people say things like "Jones deserved the W" or "Jones was robbed." It was a good fight that could of gone either way and probably should of been a draw.

I was ringside for this fight in the old Garden, Mm. Had Jones earnin' a narrow nod. Fundamentals over flurries. Jones consistantly beat Clay (who he was at that time) to the punch with straight-as-string lead rights, a piston jab and foot pressure. Workman-like, at best, but affective.

Kinda reminded me of Maxim's paint job on Patterson, but the judges had it right that night, over the cries for the house fighter.

Jones was s'posed ta be a piece-a-cake, just one more W in Clay's march to the crown. Journeyman or not, Jones didn't rollover; and it wouldn't have been a travesty if he got the decision.

[My dinner with Conteh]

How can anyone say a case can't be made for Jones not winning this fight? He forced the action, landed the more significant blows and generally gave Clay kittens. I had Clay 6-4 but it was a close, evenly-fought contest.

[Bokaj]

I havent watched it in quite a while but I remember having a similar score & thinking `what was all the fuss about ?`it was a decent competitive fight, but robbery ?.... No.

This was my reaction too. I've only seen it once and couldn't see how Jones should have won a majority of the rounds. But it was a tough fight, and if Jones had been given the decision it would have been far from the strangest thing to have happened in boxing.

[Muchmoore]

How can anyone say a case can't be made for Jones not winning this fight? He forced the action, landed the more significant blows and generally gave Clay kittens. I had Clay 6-4 but it was a close, evenly-fought contest.

A case can definently be made. But like you said it was a close, evenly fought match that could of gone either way, not a robbery like some claim.

[My dinner with Conteh]

A case can definently be made. But like you said it was a close, evenly fought match that could of gone either way, not a robbery like some claim.


No robbery. Clay deserved the nod for me. Just. :good

[TommyV]

6-4 Clay aswell. A very competitive fight fight. Jones was a tough guy though, I noticed he has wins over Bobo Olson, Foster, Rademacher and Folley.

[Mendoza]

What's your scorecard for this fight? I watched it on ESPN Classic today and it was the first time I actually scored the fight and I had it 6-4 Clay. But there were several rounds which were about dead even and could of gone either way..

I always hear people say things like "Jones deserved the W" or "Jones was robbed." It was a good fight that could of gone either way and probably should of been a draw.

I scored this one with great interest and had it 6-4 for Clay. However, if you like substance over sizzle, I could see a 5-5 draw here. Jones did not get a re-match.

[apollack]

Jones was competitive and put up a good fight, but quite frankly I don't understand all the controversy. Clay clearly won. He was far too busy for Jones and landed way more punches. The crowd was just soured towards him because Clay talked too much trash, saying how he was going to easily knock Jones out. So there was a backlash when it turned out to be a tough fight. But nevertheless Clay deserved it.

[Muchmoore]

The crowd was just soured towards him because Clay talked too much trash, saying how he was going to easily knock Jones out.

Yeah, I noticed that every time Jones landed on Clay the crowd erupted, while Clay could land the same punch and nothing. Watching the fight with the sound off would probably change my scorecard.

[Loewe]

Jones was competitive and put up a good fight, but quite frankly I don't understand all the controversy. Clay clearly won. He was far too busy for Jones and landed way more punches. The crowd was just soured towards him because Clay talked too much trash, saying how he was going to easily knock Jones out. So there was a backlash when it turned out to be a tough fight. But nevertheless Clay deserved it.

Well, i think it comes, again, down to the question if you like quantity over quality. While Clay landed some good shots i thought Jones landed the better ones. Clay landed more though. Close fight in which Clay got the nod, that´s okay with me but i the other way round would also have been okay imo.

[Bokaj]

I think Jones should have gotten a rematch. He began to slump on the rankings shortly after the fight, but I still would have liked it to be made.

[jowcol]

I think Jones should have gotten a rematch. He began to slump on the rankings shortly after the fight, but I still would have liked it to be made.

Clay had the title in his sights at the time and by the time he was champ, Jones was on the downside (loss to Daniels, KO loss to Chavalo) IMO he would have stopped Jones fairly easy second time around.
How about Rock-LeStarza I? I've heard that was razor-thin close. Anyone see it? Is it available? Should Rock have been 48-1?

[Holmes' Jab]

Very close fight and tricky enough to score. Jones gave a very good account of himself and stylistically troubled Clay. I had Clay by two rounds but wouldn't dispute any other close outcome: either way.

[OLD FOGEY]

I have watched this fight many times and scored it three times. Twice I had Jones winning 5-4-1, and once I had Ali winning 5-4-1. Dead even fight which is hard to judge on film because Ali appears to throw a lot of combinations against Jones' guard without penetrating it while Jones' quick hands allowed him to score often on the "hands-held-low and lean back" Ali.