IN any ERA would these guys DOMINATE LB4LB

[Bummy Davis]

1)Willie Pep 126
2)Henry Armstrong 130
3)Ray Robinson 147
4)Greb 160
5)Sam Langford 170
6 Rocky Marciano 190
7) Lennox Lewis 250

WOULD THESE GUYS Dominate if placed in any era @ these weights, thoughts

[chino2dapiapimp]

Lennox lewis would dominate in any era. He size and skill alone is something that has never been combined. in the early days with that grab and punch stuff, he would do good due to his size (jack johnsons era).

ROcky Marciano is tough enough to be in Jack johnsons era and any other except from the 70's on. HE would be competive but too small for the likes of george Foreman and so on.

Sam langford would be good enought to compete in any era but modern boxing from the 80's on (in my opinion) uses alot more hit and not get hit stratagy that would make sam stalk alot more. I think Roy and even Griffen at LHW would out lateral move Sam to Decision wins.


Dont know much on Greb to speak on him

RObinson would be able to compete at any era at 147 but his toughest test would be in the modern age not due to stamina or anything like that but the lateral or "slick" boxers that tend to box and "Run" compared to his days when guys would get tomates thrown at them for attepting to do that for 15 rounds.
Henry Armstrong would do good at any era but I think the modern era would be his toughest test. I say this cuz Clinching gets frowned on and penalized if done too much. I think the "in clinch fighting" was a more common thing of the past not modern boxing.

Hands down willie pep would be good and P4P material in any era.

Notible personal mentions... Julio Cesar Chavez, Sugar Ray LEonard and Erik Morales

[mr. magoo]

Lennox lewis would dominate in any era.

He didn't even dominate in his OWN era, so frankly I can't see the validity in the claim that he would have dominated in ANY era. During the course of his career, Lewis was badly upset by second raters in Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman. He also decisioned a declining Mercer to what arguably should have been a draw. Additionally, he never met two top rated challengers later in his career, namely Wlad Klitschko and Chris Byrd. Let me clearify that I believe Lewis to be the best of his era, but by no means did he dominate, and truthfully I can't give him the benefit of the doubt that he would necessarily have dominated in all periods of the sport..

[Sweet Pea]

ROcky Marciano is tough enough to be in Jack johnsons era and any other except from the 70's on. HE would be competive but too small for the likes of george Foreman and so on.
The question was P4P. Marciano would be fighting at CW in this era.


Henry Armstrong would do good at any era but I think the modern era would be his toughest test. I say this cuz Clinching gets frowned on and penalized if done too much. I think the "in clinch fighting" was a more common thing of the past not modern boxing.
Armstrong very rarely clinched, he was a swarmer who was constantly throwing punches, but very rarely clinching. I suggest watching more of him.


Notible personal mentions... Erik Morales
Morales wasn't a skilled enough boxer to beat most of the best from 122-126. Gomez, Fenech, Nelson, Sanchez, Pep, Saddler, Saldivar, etc would've all beaten him. Quite a few more I'm missing probably.

[Bummy Davis]

What I trying to say is lets keep them in that weight class so when I speak of Lennox Lewis, although there may be men that weighed 185 to 230 lbs that could beat him such as Louis,Marciano,Ali etc...who in the big boy class of 230-250 could beat him going back to Jess Willard,Primo Carnera and Buddy Baer up to the Vlad Klitschko's and Valuev's...we can call it Super but the only one that was super so far in the 230-to 250 lb class has been Lennox.....do you get my drift....Marciano weighed 188 to 191, frazier 204 to 210...Ali 215....Louis 210....I left out Duran but could he have been beaten or dominated by anyone @135...But I am hard pressed to find anyone in the 230-250 weight class who Lewis could not beat but in the 185-220 there may be many that he could not beat

[TIGEREDGE]

He didn't even dominate in his OWN era, so frankly I can't see the validity in the claim that he would have dominated in ANY era. During the course of his career, Lewis was badly upset by second raters in Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman. He also decisioned a declining Mercer to what arguably should have been a draw. Additionally, he never met two top rated challengers later in his career, namely Wlad Klitschko and Chris Byrd. Let me clearify that I believe Lewis to be the best of his era, but by no means did he dominate, and truthfully I can't give him the benefit of the doubt that he would necessarily have dominated in all periods of the sport..

true. if you reckon that lewis would dominate any era, you have got to say that tyson would. in his four years at the top, he came nowhere near to getting beat. i know that he only beat good fighters at best but this opposition was as good as anything lewis foughts PLEASE dont bring up the Holyfield fights. he was well past it when he fought lewis

even when tyson was past his peak and not training right (june 1988 and onwards), he was still much more consistant than lewis. apart from the douglas fight, tyson was still looked awesome in beating bruno, williams, tillman, steward and ruddock.

[Muchmoore]

He didn't even dominate in his OWN era, so frankly I can't see the validity in the claim that he would have dominated in ANY era. During the course of his career, Lewis was badly upset by second raters in Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman. He also decisioned a declining Mercer to what arguably should have been a draw. Additionally, he never met two top rated challengers later in his career, namely Wlad Klitschko and Chris Byrd. Let me clearify that I believe Lewis to be the best of his era, but by no means did he dominate, and truthfully I can't give him the benefit of the doubt that he would necessarily have dominated in all periods of the sport..

While that may be a bit harsh, your right. People over rate Lewis simply because he is a skilled giant, he did have weaknesses that would be exploited in many eras just like his own...

BTW, I have Lewis around 5th all time. But he wouldn't dominate every era. The only era he would probably completely dominate are the 30s, 40s Joe Louis era if he wasn't there although he could be upset by a Schmeling

[Muchmoore]

.who in the big boy class of 230-250 could beat him going back to Jess Willard,Primo Carnera and Buddy Baer up to the Vlad Klitschko's and Valuev's...we can call it Super but the only one that was super so far in the 230-to 250 lb class has been Lennox.....do you get my drift....

Ok, I get what you mean. From that weight range Lewis would have the be the favorite over anyone but Ibeabuchi would be a live underdog against him. Bowe could also give him fits but Bowes weakness against jabbers would kill him here. Other than that no one really comes close to beating him off the top of my head

[Loewe]

true. if you reckon that lewis would dominate any era, you have got to say that tyson would. in his four years at the top, he came nowhere near to getting beat. i know that he only beat good fighters at best but this opposition was as good as anything lewis foughts PLEASE dont bring up the Holyfield fights. he was well past it when he fought lewis

even when tyson was past his peak and not training right (june 1988 and onwards), he was still much more consistant than lewis. apart from the douglas fight, tyson was still looked awesome in beating bruno, williams, tillman, steward and ruddock.

Sorry but no. If you want discuss a matter like that you have to take the whole career into account and not just a few years, so yes his fights against Holyfield and Lewis count.

[Loewe]

While that may be a bit harsh, your right. People over rate Lewis simply because he is a skilled giant, he did have weaknesses that would be exploited in many eras just like his own...

BTW, I have Lewis around 5th all time. But he wouldn't dominate every era. The only era he would probably completely dominate are the 30s, 40s Joe Louis era if he wasn't there although he could be upset by a Schmeling

I agree with you on the first part but i doubt Lewis would dominate the 30s and 40s with guys like Louis, Schmeling and Walcott around. He would be a force and defintly become champ one time or another but he wouldn´t dominate.

[Muchmoore]

I agree with you on the first part but i doubt Lewis would dominate the 30s and 40s with guys like Louis, Schmeling and Walcott around. He would be a force and defintly become champ one time or another but he wouldn´t dominate.

I meant he could dominate the era if Louis wasn't there and he was in his place. I mentioned Lewis would probably get upset by Schmeling or possibly even someone else. I don't see anyone that Louis fought in his title reign beating Lewis until the end of his reign when Jersey Joe came around.

[the cobra]

Pep's arguably the most skilled fighter in boxing history, he could have dominated 126lbs in any era. Armstrong was the best forward fighter in boxing history, his speed, power, stamina, pressure, relentlessness, chin, and his own skill would mean he hangs in with (if not beats) anyone his size from any era. Robinson may be the best combination puncher of all-time, his speed with power ratio may be unmatched in boxing history, he has a granite chin, outstanding offensive skills, solid defensive skills, and great stamina and will. He could compete and possibly dominate (or at least be the very best of) in any era of welterweights.

Also, I'll throw in Duran. I feel he comes out on top in any era at 135lbs. Quite possibly the most complete fighter I've ever seen when he was at his best.

[Bill Butcher]

WILLIE PEP & RAY ROBINSON 100%

Everyone else has ????? beside their name IMO.

:thumbsup

[chino2dapiapimp]

The question was P4P. Marciano would be fighting at CW in this era.

well assuming your right and he fights at CW rather than Heavy weight than that changes things

Armstrong very rarely clinched, he was a swarmer who was constantly throwing punches, but very rarely clinching. I suggest watching more of him.

Ok i will
Morales wasn't a skilled enough boxer to beat most of the best from 122-126. Gomez, Fenech, Nelson, Sanchez, Pep, Saddler, Saldivar, etc would've all beaten him. Quite a few more I'm missing probably.

Morales was skilled and a bit inconsistant but for you to tell me he gets beat by all the guys you mentioned so easily without of doubt is dumb.

[Sweet Pea]

Morales was skilled and a bit inconsistant but for you to tell me he gets beat by all the guys you mentioned so easily without of doubt is dumb.When did I mention how easily they'd have beaten him?

[chino2dapiapimp]

He didn't even dominate in his OWN era, so frankly I can't see the validity in the claim that he would have dominated in ANY era. During the course of his career, Lewis was badly upset by second raters in Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman. He also decisioned a declining Mercer to what arguably should have been a draw. Additionally, he never met two top rated challengers later in his career, namely Wlad Klitschko and Chris Byrd. Let me clearify that I believe Lewis to be the best of his era, but by no means did he dominate, and truthfully I can't give him the benefit of the doubt that he would necessarily have dominated in all periods of the sport..

Relax man the thread maker uses the word dominate very loosely and asked if the guys he mentioned above would dominate if placed in any era. I dont think he ment to use "dominate" litterally but I understand what he means and by that he means to "be the man" at each respective division listed above. Although LEwis has his flaws(like many other fighters of past era's) he will be downplayed by many but I honestly cant see Lewis not being a main player in any era, and I will give him the benifit of the doubt that he would be the "man" more times than not at any given era.

[TIGEREDGE]

1)Willie Pep 126
2)Henry Armstrong 130
3)Ray Robinson 147
4)Greb 160
5)Sam Langford 170
6 Rocky Marciano 190
7) Lennox Lewis 250

WOULD THESE GUYS Dominate if placed in any era @ these weights, thoughts

I cannot see lewis dominating in the era's of Ali (60's and 70') thats for sure

[TIGEREDGE]

Sorry but no. If you want discuss a matter like that you have to take the whole career into account and not just a few years, so yes his fights against Holyfield and Lewis count.
Lewis had the longer career I agree, because he never abused his body like mike

BUT

Mike never once strugled with the likes of Frank Bruno and Hasim Rahman even when he was past it and not training right. I know he got beat by a 65/1 underdog in Douglas but he had a lot of ability when he was mentally right. he give a world class fighter in Tucker all he can handle for a few rounds in 1987

The only performances were Lewis looked awesome against credible opposition was:

Ruddock
Golota
Morrison

The Tua performance was good but far from awesome dispaly. He never showed us anything great

Many people feel that a shot Holyfield beat lewis in there second fight. Even though he won the first fight, Lewis was poor at the MSG. he should of finished Evander off

The mercer fight could of went against him. Same with the Klitchko fight. shannon biggs had him in all kinds of trouble in the first round

Please dont bring up Grant. golota should of finished him in the first round of there fight in 1999. He was PURE HYPE

I am not a lewis Hater. I rate him as one of the best of all time but to say that he would dominated in any era is a joke. He was unlucky in the fact that he never got to prove himself against a Prime Bowe and Holyfield is well as a still good Tyson

[janitor]

1)Willie Pep 126
2)Henry Armstrong 130
3)Ray Robinson 147
4)Greb 160
5)Sam Langford 170
6 Rocky Marciano 190
7) Lennox Lewis 250

WOULD THESE GUYS Dominate if placed in any era @ these weights, thoughts

None of them would dominate any era because you could always tacticaly place them alongside their kryptonite.

I think that the only thing that could hold Langford, Robinson or Greb back would be ritual avoidance.

[janitor]

The Tua performance was good but far from awesome dispaly. He never showed us anything great


Curious

That was the fight when the scales finaly fell from my eyes and I realised that I was in the presece of true greatness.

[Loewe]

Lewis had the longer career I agree, because he never abused his body like mike

BUT

Mike never once strugled with the likes of Frank Bruno and Hasim Rahman even when he was past it and not training right. I know he got beat by a 65/1 underdog in Douglas but he had a lot of ability when he was mentally right. he give a world class fighter in Tucker all he can handle for a few rounds in 1987

The only performances were Lewis looked awesome against credible opposition was:

Ruddock
Golota
Morrison

The Tua performance was good but far from awesome dispaly. He never showed us anything great

Many people feel that a shot Holyfield beat lewis in there second fight. Even though he won the first fight, Lewis was poor at the MSG. he should of finished Evander off

The mercer fight could of went against him. Same with the Klitchko fight. shannon biggs had him in all kinds of trouble in the first round

Please dont bring up Grant. golota should of finished him in the first round of there fight in 1999. He was PURE HYPE

I am not a lewis Hater. I rate him as one of the best of all time but to say that he would dominated in any era is a joke. He was unlucky in the fact that he never got to prove himself against a Prime Bowe and Holyfield is well as a still good Tyson
I wasn´t talking about Lewis but about Tyson. You have to consider his total career and not the few years he looked awesome against inferior opposition. You should answer my posts and not something you think i meant.
I mentioned before that Lewis wouldn´t even dominate the 30s so i agree with you that he wouldn´t dominate any era - well, the only hw champs who we could speak of them dominating their era i can think of are Johnson, Louis and Marciano. Lewis was the greatest hw of the last era but he didn´t dominate it.

[TIGEREDGE]

I wasn´t talking about Lewis but about Tyson. You have to consider his total career and not the few years he looked awesome against inferior opposition. You should answer my posts and not something you think i meant.
I mentioned before that Lewis wouldn´t even dominate the 30s so i agree with you that he wouldn´t dominate any era - well, the only hw champs who we could speak of them dominating their era i can think of are Johnson, Louis and Marciano. Lewis was the greatest hw of the last era but he didn´t dominate it.

i never meant that final sentance at you mate. i meant it for the starter of this thread