If Taylor beats Pavlik...

[yesihavearm]

If Jermain Taylor beats Pavlik will that catapult him back into most people top10 PvP rankings ?

It seems like the majority of people on this forum are going with a Pavlik KO win.

Obviously on that note im going to say Taylor will win by decision outboxing and outslicking Pavlik.

As much as I hate Taylor, he's so unlikeable for some reason, he's clearly a step above Miranda and in Sep it will show.

[The Hitman]

I hate Jermain Taylor but I see him surprising some people by rising to the occassion. I hope he gets obliterated by Pavlik but if he does win he'll definetely return to my P4P list.

[brooklyn1550]

If he wins, yes, Ring will definitely place him back in the top 10 p4p

[Marnoff]

The thing with Taylor is not that he's fought subpar competition, because he's actually fought some amazing competition, but it's how he's doing it, narrowing getting by. Pavlik might be the perfect person to pull off a big win against. There are gonna be a lot of bombs thrown and landed. Could be good.

[mightyd40]

i think taylor will win and he never left my top 10 p4p ranking even though he is boring the hell outta me lately.

[Biggame]

Taylor never left my top 10:nono

Taylor will win by stoppage. I personlally like the kid, but don't like Manny in his corner. He wants to make Jermain Wlad, or Lennox, but Taylor is way more aggressive than both of them, and he's not taking to this style as well. Taylors a very active fighter who seems better going off his natural instincts in the ring than rattling his brain trying to do what Manny ask. Now he's not as aggressive, he holds more and he seems to be thinking to much!

No disrespect to Manny, but he's taking Taylor down a notch IMO!!

[jazzboy]

Taylor never left my top 10:nono

Taylor will win by stoppage. I personlally like the kid, but don't like Manny in his corner. He wants to make Jermain Wlad, or Lennox, but Taylor is way more aggressive than both of them, and he's not taking to this style as well. Taylors a very active fighter who seems better going off his natural instincts in the ring than rattling his brain trying to do what Manny ask. Now he's not as aggressive, he holds more and he seems to be thinking to much!

No disrespect to Manny, but he's taking Taylor down a notch IMO!!

Man i feel the same way i understand that manny is a good trainer but the combination of the two just dosent work. Taylor is going to open up this fight and be quite impressive

[tpuz]

If Pavlik wins decisively, does he belong in the top 10 p4p? I think so.

[psychopath]

If Pavlik wins decisively, does he belong in the top 10 p4p? I think so.

That's too early. All he did was beat Miranda and if he wins against Taylor he'll beat a guy who's not presently in the top ten.

. . . back to the thread . . . I'm with Taylor.

[trac209]

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[younghov2k4]

everyone will respect Jermain if he beats(i think he will) Pavlik except for Hopkins of course, because he is still :twisted::twisted: that he lost twice.

yep. :good

[Lance_Uppercut]

No, becuase he's already there. Beating an unproven up and comer should not trump defeating the #1 P4P guy in Hopkins twice.

[marauder1999]

No, becuase he's already there. Beating an unproven up and comer should not trump defeating the #1 P4P guy in Hopkins twice.

Perfectly said.

[King Dan]

No, becuase he's already there. Beating an unproven up and comer should not trump defeating the #1 P4P guy in Hopkins twice.

Seriously, when did Jermain get knocked out of the top 10 pound for pound?

He goes basically even with Hopkins and Winky and gets demoted?
Where is the reasoning? Because he had a tough fight with a slick boxer in Cory Spinks?

You guys are a joke sometimes.

Taylor is in the top 7 pound for pound without question.
I lump him in the same group as Hopkins and Winky.
They all come in somewhere between #3-#7 p4p.

If he beats Pavlik, it solidifies his stature.
If he demolishes Pavlik, he might even jump on my list.

[Joey Gamache]

If you think Taylor is going to "Bully" Pavlik, you're nuts. I see the fight as 50/50, but if Taylor tries to bang toe to toe, that favors Pavlik in my mind. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see it, but based on JT's last couple fights, it's not going to happen. If it does, he should bring a pillow.

[Cabannaro]

Pavlik isn't an elite. he's had one good win and all of a sudden it's gonna prove anything?
If Taylor is elite (I suppose you think so), will Pavlik's win over him prove anything?

Nah - taylor will win, because Pavlik will come right at him and Taylor can bully him about. Taylor will finally get another KO.
He will stand in front like small Ouma and Taylor will again run all the night. But Pavlik isn't so small as Ouma.

Taylor will finally get fucked :nut :!: He hasn't KO'ed ANYONE in 2 years and 5 fights :-(

[Biggame]

Man i feel the same way i understand that manny is a good trainer but the combination of the two just dosent work. Taylor is going to open up this fight and be quite impressive

No doubt!!:good

[Biggame]

If you think Taylor is going to "Bully" Pavlik, you're nuts. I see the fight as 50/50, but if Taylor tries to bang toe to toe, that favors Pavlik in my mind. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see it, but based on JT's last couple fights, it's not going to happen. If it does, he should bring a pillow.

You're joking right?

Let me learn you something today!! Both fighters are undefeated, but look at Jermains Resume, and look at Pavliks. Pavlik has ummm....Miranda. Taylor has fought the best in Boxing, and no matter what ppl think he's held his own. Hops(twice) Winky, Spinks, Ouma! That's impressive just to fight all of them, but to still be undefeated while learning a new style! Jermain is going to come out the "Bad Intentions" Jermain of old, and Pavlik decides to go toe to toe, he get's dropped first! An aggressive Jermain is a dangerous one, and Pavlik will soon find out. If Anyone is looking at the Spinks, Winky, or Hops fight and actually thinking Jermain is slipping just ask yourself what Pavliks record would be in 4 fights against them!! I'd say 0-4!

[marauder1999]

Hopkins isn't P4P #1. End of.

Pavlik isn't an elite. he's had one good win and all of a sudden it's gonna prove anything?

Nah - taylor will win, because Pavlik will come right at him and Taylor can bully him about. Taylor will finally get another KO.

Let taylor come at pavlik and try and bully him around---he will be eating canvas sooner than i think. Im saying pavlik ko's his ass by the 8th--if taylor comes at him--it will be by the 5th.

[Cabannaro]

Let me learn you something today!! Both fighters are undefeated, but look at Jermains Resume, and look at Pavliks
Let me teach you a bit.

Fighters are those who win the fights, not their resumes.

Too many examples to explain the obvious.

You'd better try to figure out the gameplan Taylor can use to beat Pavlik.

Pavlik decides to go toe to toe, he get's dropped first!
This is an example of a garbage gameplan. JT hasn't dropped anyone in 2 years and 5 fights.

[Biggame]

Let me teach you a bit.

Fighters are those who win the fights, not their resumes.

Too many examples to explain the obvious.

You'd better try to figure out the gameplan Taylor can use to beat Pavlik.


This is an example of a garbage gameplan. JT hasn't dropped anyone in 2 years and 5 fights.

Ummmm......What:huh

Why don't you try saying something next time!!

[Cabannaro]

Ummmm......What:huh

Why don't you try saying something next time!!
I see :think Hopeless :-(

[Biggame]

I see :think Hopeless :-(

And what's you're gameplan for Pavlik wizard!!


Pls say something this time, instead of describing yourself as hopeless!!

[marauder1999]

I hope taylor is dumb enough to go toe to toe with pavlik. He hits like a bull and has proved he has a good chin. And taylor,,,,,,has,,,,?

[Cabannaro]

And what's you're gameplan for Pavlik wizard!!

It's easy.

Put the pressure from the very beginning, Taylor easily steps back to the ropes and the corners. Even feather-hitting Wright was able to back up him against the ropes. As JT tries to punch, trade with him, don't forget the body. Small Ouma ate plenty of Taylor's shots, do you really think JT can hurt Pavlik? Forget it.

Update: Taylor uses to fade in the late rounds. Simply finish him. And you should know... Pavlik is great finisher.

[Biggame]

It's easy.

Put the pressure from the very beginning, Taylor easily steps back to the ropes and the corners. Even feather-hitting Wright was able to back up him against the ropes. As JT tries to punch, trade with him, don't forget the body. Small Ouma ate plenty of Taylor's shots, do you really think JT can hurt Pavlik? Forget it.

Update: Taylor uses to fade in the late rounds. Simply finish him. And you should know... Pavlik is great finisher.

That's your gameplan?

It aint as simple as that. All the guys who pressured Taylor were very good defensively. Winky in all honesty was the only guy to effectively pressure Taylor, and Hops to some extent when he wanted to. Pavlik aint either or, and he sure isn't as slick, or crafty! He's straight forward, and he might be able to take Miranda's shots, but I'm not sure he'll be taking Jermain's all night long:nono

It's going to be a hell of a fight, but Jermain isn't like anyone Pavliks fought, and on the other hand He's fought much better fighters than the one he's getting in Pavlik!!

I got JT all the way!!!

[Cabannaro]

All the guys who pressured Taylor were very good defensively ...

Pavlik ... might be able to take Miranda's shots, but I'm not sure he'll be taking Jermain's all night long
Ouma wasn't. But he had no problem with taking Jermain's shots all night long :rasta

[Biggame]

Ouma wasn't. But he had no problem with taking Jermain's shots all night long :rasta

No he didn't, but fact is he was taking them, and I don't think Pavlik will be able to do the same!!:nono

[pioterbezkitu]

No he didn't, but fact is he was taking them, and I don't think Pavlik will be able to do the same!!:nono

Do you think that jr middle Ouma has a better chin than a huge MW like Pavlik?

[BITCH ASS]

You're joking right?

Let me learn you something today!! Both fighters are undefeated, but look at Jermains Resume, and look at Pavliks. Pavlik has ummm....Miranda. Taylor has fought the best in Boxing, and no matter what ppl think he's held his own. Hops(twice) Winky, Spinks, Ouma! That's impressive just to fight all of them, but to still be undefeated while learning a new style! Jermain is going to come out the "Bad Intentions" Jermain of old, and Pavlik decides to go toe to toe, he get's dropped first! An aggressive Jermain is a dangerous one, and Pavlik will soon find out. If Anyone is looking at the Spinks, Winky, or Hops fight and actually thinking Jermain is slipping just ask yourself what Pavliks record would be in 4 fights against them!! I'd say 0-4!

Look at Jermain's resume?

I'd pick Pavlik's right hand over Jermain's resume.

I bet people were talking about Micheal Spink's resume too before he fought Tyson.

But.......the resume.......:patsch

[Zakman]

The thread shouldn't say IF, it should say WHEN!! :nod

Pavlik is gonna DESTROY hype job Taylor. HBO won't be able to get him a gift decision while he's out cold on the canvas!! :lol:

[Biggame]

Look at Jermain's resume?

I'd pick Pavlik's right hand over Jermain's resume.

I bet people were talking about Micheal Spink's resume too before he fought Tyson.

But.......the resume.......:patsch

Dude you thought Margo was the best welter in the world!! So you pick Pavliks right hand, sorta like you pick Margo because of his output, and durability...makes sense to me:patsch

And no I wasn't talking bout Spinks's resume, I picked Tyson to whoop his ass, and even if so his resume didn't have nowhere near guys like hops, and Winky on it or even a Spinks(no pun intended). Matter of fact who would've been talking bout his resume?

[Biggame]

Do you think that jr middle Ouma has a better chin than a huge MW like Pavlik?

Not saying he does! What I am saying is guys like Corley actually buzzed Mayweather, but a guy like Oscar couldn't wake him out of his sleep! Does that make Corley a harder hitter? I honestly don't think Pavlik will withstand those same shots:nono and I think he'll be hit more often, and harder! He won't last!!!

[He Hate Me]

Did Hbo create the taylor express?

[Sp_Immortal]

Look at Jermain's resume?

I'd pick Pavlik's right hand over Jermain's resume.

I bet people were talking about Micheal Spink's resume too before he fought Tyson.

But.......the resume.......:patsch

Or, for a more pertinent example, think about Taylor's resume when he fought Hopkins.

Taylor had never faced anyone the caliber of Miranda at that stage in his carrier.

It looks like a 50/50 fight in my mind. The difference will be Taylor's defense. Taylor's to smart to just stand in there and take shot after shot like Miranda, but if he does too much running he will be easy outpointed by pavlik, who has a high workrate and is accurate.

I think both fighters will be primed and hungry. It's likely to be an excellent fight.

[marting]

I think the more interesting question is if Pavlik beats Taylor.