outrage over Mundine's 'Muslim retreat'

[sallywinder]

utrage over Mundine's 'Muslim retreat'
August 05, 2008 12:01am

BOXER Anthony Mundine's rumoured interest in turning a New South Wales Central Coast resort into a Muslim retreat has prompted neighbours to threaten legal action.

Locals yesterday vowed to fight possible plans to turn the Dooralong Valley Resort into a private hideaway for Muslims, as uncertainty about the development grew.
It is now understood prominent Sydney lawyer Adam Houda is one of a number of new co-owners of the resort, a partnership believed to also include Mundine.
Houda, along with Mundine and friend and Bulldogs star Hazem El Masri, visited the resort a number of times when it was run by former owner Ray Stehr Jr, son of league legend Ray Stehr.
Mr Houda would neither confirm nor deny claims he intended to close the resort to the public, but resort staff said the new owners planned to put the property to personal use.
The lack of information has locals fearing a Camden-style showdown, where residents protested loudly about an application to build a Muslim school in the sleepy southwestern Sydney town.
Dooralong Valley Residents' Association president Warwick Benjes said the local community had been outraged by the rumoured plans.
The Daily Telegraph made numerous calls to Mundine's management yesterday, but did not receive a reply.
Mr Benjes said residents were concerned the new owners were refusing to talk about their intentions for the property.
"We are concerned we don't know anything. If these guys want to do something we don't like, we will see them in court," he said.
"We're just not going to cop it."
Mr Benjes said no development application had been lodged with Wyong Council to change the resort, but has called for council staff to attend an August 12 meeting of Dooralong residents to discuss what is permissible for the site.
He has the backing of Wyong councillor Brenton Pavier, who said he had also heard rumours of a Muslim retreat.
"The community just wants to know what is going on," Mr Pavier said.

[sallywinder]

"...Locals yesterday vowed to FIGHT possible plans to turn the Dooralong Valley Resort into a 'private hideaway for Muslims', as UNCERTAINTY about the development grew...."

see the negative overtones the mainstream media loves to use in any topic involving muslims. instead of 'fight' they could have used the more correct term, 'contest'.

"private hideaway for muslims"...no, not private. others would be welcome. NO. they arent hiding away. uncertainty?? theres no 'uncertainty'. there is "rumoured interest".......

give me a break from this muslim bashing at every turn...

anyway, whats the problem???? theres plenty of christian resorts...

[PorkChopExpress]

No where in the article to they give a reason as to WHY they don't like the idea...

[one in a million]

I know very little about the muslim religion but am very interested to learn the foundations of it. Each to their own in their own country but when in our country we need to understand the muslim way to make our mind up if we like it or not.

Sallywinder can you explain the foundations of the muslim religion?

[WhataRock]

I totally understand the Camden thing, it may have been a lot to do with xenophobia but basically they were going to turn a pretty laid back part of town into something the locals didnt want. With increased traffic congestion and population, and if I was them I wouldnt care if it was a muslim, christian or secular school I wouldnt want the character of my area changed either if I liked it the way it was already.

[PorkChopExpress]

That's true Whatarock, if it's a change to the structure of the society around it, it definitely should be open to debate, just seems that the word "muslim" is more of a catalyst in that article than the resort changing itself.

This country does need to understand Muslimism (new word) a little more - in the UK Muslims live hand in hand with everyone else and even with the fear caused by the bombings etc people still don't seem to have such a knee jerk reaction to their culture simply cause they have a better understanding of it and accept it over there.

[the beaver]

That's true Whatarock, if it's a change to the structure of the society around it, it definitely should be open to debate, just seems that the word "muslim" is more of a catalyst in that article than the resort changing itself.

This country does need to understand Muslimism (new word) a little more - in the UK Muslims live hand in hand with everyone else and even with the fear caused by the bombings etc people still don't seem to have such a knee jerk reaction to their culture simply cause they have a better understanding of it and accept it over there.

Mate i lived in the old dart for 18 months and let me tell you, it's not as simple as you make out.

[Marcus]

I heard it was goin to be Al Queda training camp :p

[IrnBruMan]

suck on my chocolate salty balls put em in yo mouth and suckem

[LeonMcS]

This country does need to understand Muslimism (new word)

Try Islamic.

[Dr Gonzo]

Mate i lived in the old dart for 18 months and let me tell you, it's not as simple as you make out.

thats for sure... its not all beer and skittles

[teke]

Im gonna hijcak this thread and ask someone *cough cough* Stiflers Mum to make a thread in the British Forum teasing them about how the Aussies will smash them in the Olympic medal tally :deal

Please :D

[Dr Gonzo]

done

[TheDuke]

That's true Whatarock, if it's a change to the structure of the society around it, it definitely should be open to debate, just seems that the word "muslim" is more of a catalyst in that article than the resort changing itself.

This country does need to understand Muslimism (new word) a little more - in the UK Muslims live hand in hand with everyone else and even with the fear caused by the bombings etc people still don't seem to have such a knee jerk reaction to their culture simply cause they have a better understanding of it and accept it over there.

Are you having a laugh?

Speak to some white English people. Maybe I am running into the wrong ones, but I have never met people who are so open about expressing their view that their country has been 'given away'. Sometimes they can explain themselves without resorting to racism and sometimes they can't. But to a T, the vast majority have major problems with this issue.

I live in an ex-pat culture and I've found the majority of English 'hate' the thought of ever living there again. The Aussies here don't have half the vehemence.

Would your views be informed by the TV/movies/magazines?? I don't ask to be narky, it's just that it's easy to misinterpret cultures when you are only viewing their media.

Back in the day, before gang banging and hustling became prominent representations of black culture from the states, think the arse end of the Cosby era. A Leb guy at school was getting worked up about Aborigines and how they don't improve themselves 'like the blacks in America'. He was thinking of Michael Jackson and Michael Jordan and all those black lawyers on TV, cause that's all he knew about black Americans. His strongest impression of Aborigines was from kids coming in to his dad's southern sydney deli and causing a ruckus.

Or to make a much more benign comparison, it's like poms who think that we all live in Ramsay St or Summer Bay...................

[Dr Gonzo]

Im gonna hijcak this thread and ask someone *cough cough* Stiflers Mum to make a thread in the British Forum teasing them about how the Aussies will smash them in the Olympic medal tally :deal

Please :D
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[sallywinder]

Sallywinder can you explain the foundations of the muslim religion?

well its basically the same yarn as the old testement (judaism) new testement (christianity). but. they believe jesus was a prophet, not the son of god. and they believe mohammed was the last prophet.

mohammed is their spiritual leader, so to speak. 600 years after christ died, mohammed, a camel driver, was very interested in religion and often spoke to christians and jews whom he traded with. one day god summoned mohammed to the mountain and gave him the final instructions for humanity. hence the holy koran, the islamic bible.

thats basically how it started. there are plenty of sites on the net if you want to read up on it.

islam has some great beliefs aimed at family and community. for example, the ydont believe in putting their parents in old peoples homes...and letting their pets live in the house, like we do....

during the dark ages, it was islam, and its cities that held the worlds finest universities etc.

when muslims prey they 'submit', bow down to god. i think islam means submission..?

good luck with it.

[LeonMcS]

OK Sally, now explain to me in 100 words or less Quantum Physics.

[sallywinder]

uuummm.

easy stuff, all fucked up!!

[LeonMcS]

Hey, I can't even be bothered looking it up on Wiki, so A+ from me, concise and to the point.

[sallywinder]

cheers leon. its an interesting subject....

[Robot16]

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Haha:rofl:rofl

[raff]

as a very genral term, & im not saying all, but wherever there is a lot of muslims, there is also a lot of trouble, im not racist or religious, i have plenty of muslim friends, but unfortunantly thats how it is

[Wrangler]

well its basically the same yarn as the old testement (judaism) new testement (christianity). but. they believe jesus was a prophet, not the son of god. and they believe mohammed was the last prophet.

mohammed is their spiritual leader, so to speak. 600 years after christ died, mohammed, a camel driver, was very interested in religion and often spoke to christians and jews whom he traded with. one day god summoned mohammed to the mountain and gave him the final instructions for humanity. hence the holy koran, the islamic bible.

thats basically how it started. there are plenty of sites on the net if you want to read up on it.

islam has some great beliefs aimed at family and community. for example, the ydont believe in putting their parents in old peoples homes...and letting their pets live in the house, like we do....

during the dark ages, it was islam, and its cities that held the worlds finest universities etc.

when muslims prey they 'submit', bow down to god. i think islam means submission..?

good luck with it.


Thanks for the explanation and quick history lesson. It's appreciated that you took your time to research and simplify it. Sounds interesting, but I suppose, like many religions, the main elements are the same. Points of difference is where the conflicts start and misunderstanding begins...sorry, probably a little philosophical but just wanted to express my thanks to you.

[pecks]

Fuck muslim shit. The Central Coast needs a monorail. :yep

[Watto]

Just another Mundine stunt..Hes an outright wanker..

[Marcus]

good thread, im glad im not the only dickhead who cant be serious very often.

great wrap sally, i understand more now.




did you say Monorail?

MONORAIL..............MONORAIL!!!!!!

[teke]

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[flamengo]

Religion, in itself if a load of bullshit. Much the same as the current supply of world title. The off shoots, and branching out which relates to all religions, leaves a humble basis, generally dating back a few thousand years. Ideals have been altered to suit different charactors over the annums, and the financial aspect controls it as a whole. A total crock of vomit. A veiw, such as the Buddists have seems a little more acceptable, IMO... A way of life, a learning experience.... not a business. Who gives a rats arse if the Musilims wish to open another Mosque... Go ahead... If The Man has any interest in it, and any potential extremists, the outcome will be nothing more than several Sth American taxis being blown up.. Nothing substancial. Muslims are not any different to other religious followers. Conned, convinced and concieted.

[cookie the carr]

Could we go to a muslim country an build a christian church ?

[goodnight]

Religion, in itself if a load of bullshit. Much the same as the current supply of world title. The off shoots, and branching out which relates to all religions, leaves a humble basis, generally dating back a few thousand years. Ideals have been altered to suit different charactors over the annums, and the financial aspect controls it as a whole. A total crock of vomit. A veiw, such as the Buddists have seems a little more acceptable, IMO... A way of life, a learning experience.... not a business. Who gives a rats arse if the Musilims wish to open another Mosque... Go ahead... If The Man has any interest in it, and any potential extremists, the outcome will be nothing more than several Sth American taxis being blown up.. Nothing substancial. Muslims are not any different to other religious followers. Conned, convinced and concieted.

BINGO! give the man a cigar

It amazes me how many hollow people are out they searching for something to fill their empty lives.

[ozziebattler]

Mate i lived in the old dart for 18 months and let me tell you, it's not as simple as you make out.

Same mate.

Lived there for a few years and got alot of pommy friends..

The difference between England and here is they dont take no shit from Muslim extremists.That crazy Muslim cleric that goes around saying all kinds of bullshit over here would get the chop by some pasty skin nut in the old Dart.

[ozziebattler]

"...Locals yesterday vowed to FIGHT possible plans to turn the Dooralong Valley Resort into a 'private hideaway for Muslims', as UNCERTAINTY about the development grew...."

see the negative overtones the mainstream media loves to use in any topic involving muslims. instead of 'fight' they could have used the more correct term, 'contest'.

"private hideaway for muslims"...no, not private. others would be welcome. NO. they arent hiding away. uncertainty?? theres no 'uncertainty'. there is "rumoured interest".......

give me a break from this muslim bashing at every turn...

anyway, whats the problem???? theres plenty of christian resorts...

Australia is a Christian State...

Like alot of the Middle East/Asia and African countries are Islamic states..You can go around flying other religious flags there but you will more then likely get the chop..My girls Lebenese christian and two of my best mates are Asyrian(iraq) christians and them and their families were treated as lowly minorities in their respective homelands.Hence why they are now here..

Allowing the Islamic Religion to spread its wings within this country aint a good idea..

I aint rascist im a realists.Im scared for the future of Australia..

[ipswich express]

Don't be. People were saying the same thing when the Greeks, Italians and Turks moved here after WWII. Many were saying the same when the Vietnamese came across as well. She'll be right mate...

[ozziebattler]

I heard it was goin to be Al Queda training camp :p

WBA MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE ELIMINATOR ..

Anthony Mundine Vs Suicide Bomber..

[ozziebattler]

Fuck muslim shit. The Central Coast needs a monorail. :yep

Fuck Muslim shit and the Monorail...

THEY NEED TO BRING BACK CLUB TROPO......:deal

[ozziebattler]

Don't be. People were saying the same thing when the Greeks, Italians and Turks moved here after WWII. Many were saying the same when the Vietnamese came across as well. She'll be right mate...

Lol...

Im not talking race im talking religion here mate..

And your point is hilarious..Look how many Euros and Asians are in oz now mate..

Im a product of Europes invasion myself..Irish..

[ipswich express]

Lol...

Im not talking race im talking religion here mate..

And your point is hilarious..Look how many Euros and Asians are in oz now mate..

Im a product of Europes invasion myself..Irish..

Absolutely, and race and religion are often hand in hand. No doubt your relatives were branded Fenians and had their Popery decried at some point. I'm sure it's all a storm in a tea cup mate.

Islam spread it's wing in the United States during the 60s and 70s and they were a lot more radical than anything that's going on here today. I don't think it's affected the United States adversly at all...

[WhataRock]

Fuck Muslim shit and the Monorail...

THEY NEED TO BRING BACK CLUB TROPO......:deal

This man knows what he is talking about.

[raff]

Fuck Muslim shit and the Monorail...

THEY NEED TO BRING BACK CLUB TROPO......:dealdid club troppo close?

[TheDuke]

Religion, in itself if a load of bullshit. Much the same as the current supply of world title. The off shoots, and branching out which relates to all religions, leaves a humble basis, generally dating back a few thousand years. Ideals have been altered to suit different charactors over the annums, and the financial aspect controls it as a whole. A total crock of vomit. A veiw, such as the Buddists have seems a little more acceptable, IMO... A way of life, a learning experience.... not a business. Who gives a rats arse if the Musilims wish to open another Mosque... Go ahead... If The Man has any interest in it, and any potential extremists, the outcome will be nothing more than several Sth American taxis being blown up.. Nothing substancial. Muslims are not any different to other religious followers. Conned, convinced and concieted.

All this controversy with Mundine and Islam will end if someone can step up and unify the Catholic and Jewish titles. Then they will be crowned "Super Catholic" champion, which will allow Mundine to win the "Regular" Catholic title.

[flamengo]

All this controversy with Mundine and Islam will end if someone can step up and unify the Catholic and Jewish titles. Then they will be crowned "Super Catholic" champion, which will allow Mundine to win the "Regular" Catholic title.

Love the idea mate... I guess its another battle which is best left in the trenches though..

[Bognashavin]

Australia is a Christian State.....

Ah, no it isn't, it is secular, which consequently allows people to pursue whatever stupid religious views they want.
Christianity is just as silly, all religion is, there is no reason to single out Islam, even considering the selective pieces of terrorism used to provoke such responses.

Much like Mundien cries foul and maintain crticism is becasue he's Aboriginal or becuase he's Muslim, but it's because he is full of shit and acts like a wanker. it has nothign to do with either his race or religion.

[TheDuke]

Australia is a Christian State...

Like alot of the Middle East/Asia and African countries are Islamic states..You can go around flying other religious flags there but you will more then likely get the chop..My girls Lebenese christian and two of my best mates are Asyrian(iraq) christians and them and their families were treated as lowly minorities in their respective homelands.Hence why they are now here..

Hey Oz - any idea what religion the Deputy Prime Minister of Iraq until the US invasion (Tariq Aziz) was? He was Catholic.

This is just a tangential rant: Iraq was one of the last Arabic countries to be secular and to actively protect and ensure the religious freedoms to it's Christians. But our governments fucking lie to us and try and convince us that it was supporting a fundamentalist Islamic terror cell?????

Any fear or oppression the Assyrian Christians had in Iraq was often at the hands of the Kurds who we were all meant to be pitying in the west.

It's like if you mention the PLO from Palestine we've been brainwashed to assume they are fundy Muslims but their spokesperson for years was a Christian woman - it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out this doesn't add up, but even an educated man like myself who grew up with Muslims that treated me as family (despite being Irish Catholic) can still get angry and fearful when watching the news......so if I have to check myself what chance do others have????

[one in a million]

See what happens when you mix race, religion, inbreds, crossbreds :yep

You can't beat a pure thorough bred Aussie :hi: