Why Dont Brits get Respect?

[mann187]

Why is it that British boxers dont get the respect they deserve?

We have current world champs : Hatton, Woods, Witter, Calzage
Former world champs: Benn, Eubank, Bruno, Lewis, Nelson, Naz
Exciting new comers: Khan, Mitchell, Duddy, Haye
Fringe contenders: Macrenelli, Magee, Reid, Froch, Arthur

Yet when matchups are thought up British fighters are always the underdogs or completly dissmissed. Credit some people rate Hatton high but what about everyone else.

Does anyone have there own thoughts on the subject or am I wrong and British fighters dont match up to the Americans, Mexicans, Puerto Ricans etc...

[China_hand_Joe]

Because the yanks can't make as much money off the backs of British fighters usually. The yank boxing media, the most influential in boxing doesn't hype the Brits so much, as it isn't in the best economic interests of the yank promoters.

[Charles187]

I think your right but fighters like Calzaghie dont help. Could have been in the top 2 or 3 P4P if hed gone over and fought in america 5 years ago, but he seems happy doing what hes doing so more power to him!

[achillesthegreat]

Hattons Gonna Beat The Respect Out Of Castillo! Wahooooooooo.

[unitas]

the champs mentioned do get respect, but like all top fighters they are viewed by the highest standards. and thats why not all views on them are completely positive.

but calzaghe is viewed as a guy who refuses to fight the best. that seemed to change with his fight with lacy........but since then he has gone back to fighting nobodies again.

kahn gets tons up hype........but most people no longer buys it cause he fights only guys who cant punch.
that has become so obvious just about everyone thinks something is wrong with his chin. and his fight with super feather willie limond wont change that.

haye is viewed as just another banger with a chin of china....and that may be the truth. he has no future at heavy. and at cruiser no one really views him as the man to beat a guy like mormeck.

duddy is fun to watch, but his fight with ancient yory boy campas showed his limitations.
so whats to get excited about?? can he beat abraham or taylor?? next to no one thinks so.
there are better prospects like pavlik and asikainen.

macca is basically as one of the biggest jokes in boxing!!!! holds a decent belt......but never fought a world class fighter in his life!!! then he fights perhaps the worst challenger one could think of in bobby gunn.........a guy straight off the carnival circuit.
this guy gets no respect..........and for a good reason:He deserves none.

froch on the other hand gets more respect abroad than in britain. in german boxing mags he is ranked number four in the world......right behind the champs and ahead of a guy like bute!!! thats some respect. in britain i guess he is hated cause he is so arrogant, but one needs to distinguish between personality and actual talent. the latter of which he has enough.

"amazing alex" arthur is another of the guys who got a lot of hype without actually doing something. sure he holds a euro belt, but that doesn´t make him a threat to the top guns of the devision.
and most (myself included) view him as overprotected. after all, he is in his prime now. if you want people to get excited about him, let him tangle with a top gun. go for either pacman, marquez, valero or guzman. or at least say humberto soto and rocky suarez.
but who is he fighting??? koba gogolatze. so why should he get the respect that others fighters get, fighters that are willing to go down the hard road??

so this is basically the problem all european boxers face, the perception of overprotection:
that european fighters get manufunctured up the ratings, fight for a bogus belt (in arthurs case the vacant WBO belt) against suspect figthers. then they defend the belt against undeserving challengers.........and start calling out the top names. but when push comes to shove they have no intention of actually fighting anybody.
examples: felix sturm, sergej dzinziruk, stipe drews.

[boxfan99]

the champs mentioned do get respect, but like all top fighters they are viewed by the highest standards. and thats why not all views on them are completely positive.

but calzaghe is viewed as a guy who refuses to fight the best. that seemed to change with his fight with lacy........but since then he has gone back to fighting nobodies again.

kahn gets tons up hype........but most people no longer buys it cause he fights only guys who cant punch.
that has become so obvious just about everyone thinks something is wrong with his chin. and his fight with super feather willie limond wont change that.

haye is viewed as just another banger with a chin of china....and that may be the truth. he has no future at heavy. and at cruiser no one really views him as the man to beat a guy like mormeck.

duddy is fun to watch, but his fight with ancient yory boy campas showed his limitations.
so whats to get excited about?? can he beat abraham or taylor?? next to no one thinks so.
there are better prospects like pavlik and asikainen.

macca is basically as one of the biggest jokes in boxing!!!! holds a decent belt......but never fought a world class fighter in his life!!! then he fights perhaps the worst challenger one could think of in bobby gunn.........a guy straight off the carnival circuit.
this guy gets no respect..........and for a good reason:He deserves none.

froch on the other hand gets more respect abroad than in britain. in german boxing mags he is ranked number four in the world......right behind the champs and ahead of a guy like bute!!! thats some respect. in britain i guess he is hated cause he is so arrogant, but one needs to distinguish between personality and actual talent. the latter of which he has enough.

"amazing alex" arthur is another of the guys who got a lot of hype without actually doing something. sure he holds a euro belt, but that doesn´t make him a threat to the top guns of the devision.
and most (myself included) view him as overprotected. after all, he is in his prime now. if you want people to get excited about him, let him tangle with a top gun. go for either pacman, marquez, valero or guzman. or at least say humberto soto and rocky suarez.
but who is he fighting??? koba gogolatze. so why should he get the respect that others fighters get, fighters that are willing to go down the hard road??

so this is basically the problem all european boxers face, the perception of overprotection:
that european fighters get manufunctured up the ratings, fight for a bogus belt (in arthurs case the vacant WBO belt) against suspect figthers. then they defend the belt against undeserving challengers.........and start calling out the top names. but when push comes to shove they have no intention of actually fighting anybody.
examples: felix sturm, sergej dzinziruk, stipe drews.

A VERY VERY good post.:thumbsup

[Dunky McCafferty]

Why is it that British boxers dont get the respect they deserve?

We have current world champs : Hatton, Woods, Witter, Calzage
Former world champs: Benn, Eubank, Bruno, Lewis, Nelson, Naz
Exciting new comers: Khan, Mitchell, Duddy, Haye
Fringe contenders: Macrenelli, Magee, Reid, Froch, Arthur

Yet when matchups are thought up British fighters are always the underdogs or completly dissmissed. Credit some people rate Hatton high but what about everyone else.

Does anyone have there own thoughts on the subject or am I wrong and British fighters dont match up to the Americans, Mexicans, Puerto Ricans etc...

You forgot to mention Scott Harrison. So I thought I would remind you:good

[sandwichsurgeon]

Enzo is undefendable, Hatton has shown immense courage in the ring no matter what you think of his matchmaking this is undeniable, Calzaghe is dissapointing but the signs look promising and i think he will retire with some respect although not nearly as much as he could have done, Haye will get far on his offensive capabilities but how far is questionable, Woods has shown improvement but his limits are clear for all to see and Witter's new nickname should be "the bullshitter".

Thats about it of the current crop, the rest aren't quite there yet but we'll see.

[Dunky McCafferty]

the champs mentioned do get respect, but like all top fighters they are viewed by the highest standards. and thats why not all views on them are completely positive.

but calzaghe is viewed as a guy who refuses to fight the best. that seemed to change with his fight with lacy........but since then he has gone back to fighting nobodies again.

kahn gets tons up hype........but most people no longer buys it cause he fights only guys who cant punch.
that has become so obvious just about everyone thinks something is wrong with his chin. and his fight with super feather willie limond wont change that.

haye is viewed as just another banger with a chin of china....and that may be the truth. he has no future at heavy. and at cruiser no one really views him as the man to beat a guy like mormeck.

duddy is fun to watch, but his fight with ancient yory boy campas showed his limitations.
so whats to get excited about?? can he beat abraham or taylor?? next to no one thinks so.
there are better prospects like pavlik and asikainen.

macca is basically as one of the biggest jokes in boxing!!!! holds a decent belt......but never fought a world class fighter in his life!!! then he fights perhaps the worst challenger one could think of in bobby gunn.........a guy straight off the carnival circuit.
this guy gets no respect..........and for a good reason:He deserves none.

froch on the other hand gets more respect abroad than in britain. in german boxing mags he is ranked number four in the world......right behind the champs and ahead of a guy like bute!!! thats some respect. in britain i guess he is hated cause he is so arrogant, but one needs to distinguish between personality and actual talent. the latter of which he has enough.

"amazing alex" arthur is another of the guys who got a lot of hype without actually doing something. sure he holds a euro belt, but that doesn´t make him a threat to the top guns of the devision.
and most (myself included) view him as overprotected. after all, he is in his prime now. if you want people to get excited about him, let him tangle with a top gun. go for either pacman, marquez, valero or guzman. or at least say humberto soto and rocky suarez.
but who is he fighting??? koba gogolatze. so why should he get the respect that others fighters get, fighters that are willing to go down the hard road??

so this is basically the problem all european boxers face, the perception of overprotection:
that european fighters get manufunctured up the ratings, fight for a bogus belt (in arthurs case the vacant WBO belt) against suspect figthers. then they defend the belt against undeserving challengers.........and start calling out the top names. but when push comes to shove they have no intention of actually fighting anybody.
examples: felix sturm, sergej dzinziruk, stipe drews.

How is Arthur 'overprotected'? Take a look at his record, to win the european title he had to fight Boris Sinitzen, who was no mug & had a long reign. Hes since defended the euro title, & has now given it up in search of a world title fight. If & when he beats Gogoladze, he will be the interim champ, & when Guzman finally gives up the belt cos hes a fat waster who cant make the weight Alex will get his hands on it, & then come the big fights, all before he is 30.

As for the WBO belt being bogus? Thats an obsolete opinion. HBO now class it as one of the 'big 4' so get used to it pal, the WBO is as good as any of the rest of the titles now. Just look at their list of champions, its no bum title. Time to move out of the dark ages.

[BigEars]

How is Arthur 'overprotected'? Take a look at his record, to win the european title he had to fight Boris Sinitzen, who was no mug & had a long reign. Hes since defended the euro title, & has now given it up in search of a world title fight. If & when he beats Gogoladze, he will be the interim champ, & when Guzman finally gives up the belt cos hes a fat waster who cant make the weight Alex will get his hands on it, & then come the big fights, all before he is 30.

As for the WBO belt being bogus? Thats an obsolete opinion. HBO now class it as one of the 'big 4' so get used to it pal, the WBO is as good as any of the rest of the titles now. Just look at their list of champions, its no bum title. Time to move out of the dark ages.

Actually Dunky I can answer that and I freely admit to being a big fan of Arthur . ****** turned down an eliminator with Robbie Peden a little over a year ago in an IBF eliminator . Doing this made no sense as if Arthur won he would have been fighting for the vacant IBF title against Manuel Medina .
Instead of that we're now at a point where Arthur never fought either man , never fought for the IBF title and is only now fighting for a World title and I'm afraid I'm going to have to apply my i'f it's the WBO title and a Frank ****** fighter is involved it doesn't count rule' .

Gogoladze may be tough but he's less proven then Arthur at this stage and in reality Arthur should have moved on from the Peden's/Medina's and Gogoladze's of this world by now and be looking at fights with the big guys in the division .

The only way this could be made up for is if Arthur fights Fana in a unification match after he wins the WBO . Fana's nothing special but if he had two titles then he would start to get taken seriously worldwide .

All I hope is that ****** doesn't hold Arthur back having him fight easy WBO defenses because Alex is better than that :twisted: .

[Dunky McCafferty]

Enzo is undefendable, Hatton has shown immense courage in the ring no matter what you think of his matchmaking this is undeniable, Calzaghe is dissapointing but the signs look promising and i think he will retire with some respect although not nearly as much as he could have done, Haye will get far on his offensive capabilities but how far is questionable, Woods has shown improvement but his limits are clear for all to see and Witter's new nickname should be "the bullshitter".

Thats about it of the current crop, the rest aren't quite there yet but we'll see.

how can you say Witter is a bullshitter? Witter has became a world champ the hard way, hes the real deal in my eyes.

[China_hand_Joe]

He won the title the hard way, but got lucky with his opponent.

[dwilson]

the champs mentioned do get respect, but like all top fighters they are viewed by the highest standards. and thats why not all views on them are completely positive.

but calzaghe is viewed as a guy who refuses to fight the best. that seemed to change with his fight with lacy........but since then he has gone back to fighting nobodies again.

kahn gets tons up hype........but most people no longer buys it cause he fights only guys who cant punch.
that has become so obvious just about everyone thinks something is wrong with his chin. and his fight with super feather willie limond wont change that.

haye is viewed as just another banger with a chin of china....and that may be the truth. he has no future at heavy. and at cruiser no one really views him as the man to beat a guy like mormeck.

duddy is fun to watch, but his fight with ancient yory boy campas showed his limitations.
so whats to get excited about?? can he beat abraham or taylor?? next to no one thinks so.
there are better prospects like pavlik and asikainen.

macca is basically as one of the biggest jokes in boxing!!!! holds a decent belt......but never fought a world class fighter in his life!!! then he fights perhaps the worst challenger one could think of in bobby gunn.........a guy straight off the carnival circuit.
this guy gets no respect..........and for a good reason:He deserves none.

froch on the other hand gets more respect abroad than in britain. in german boxing mags he is ranked number four in the world......right behind the champs and ahead of a guy like bute!!! thats some respect. in britain i guess he is hated cause he is so arrogant, but one needs to distinguish between personality and actual talent. the latter of which he has enough.

"amazing alex" arthur is another of the guys who got a lot of hype without actually doing something. sure he holds a euro belt, but that doesn´t make him a threat to the top guns of the devision.
and most (myself included) view him as overprotected. after all, he is in his prime now. if you want people to get excited about him, let him tangle with a top gun. go for either pacman, marquez, valero or guzman. or at least say humberto soto and rocky suarez.
but who is he fighting??? koba gogolatze. so why should he get the respect that others fighters get, fighters that are willing to go down the hard road??

so this is basically the problem all european boxers face, the perception of overprotection:
that european fighters get manufunctured up the ratings, fight for a bogus belt (in arthurs case the vacant WBO belt) against suspect figthers. then they defend the belt against undeserving challengers.........and start calling out the top names. but when push comes to shove they have no intention of actually fighting anybody.
examples: felix sturm, sergej dzinziruk, stipe drews.

So the only way to get respect is to go to america? True but look at the bums that have respect over thier without actually earning it i.e. lacy pre calzaghe, tony ect the list is endless.

[Betty Swollocks]

Correction: Haye's good. he'll be good heavyweight - he's got power and there's more call for lighter heavyweights.

he can box, he can move, he's got power, he's smart, his defence is improving. He got put down by Carl Thompson because he over-exerted himself early and ran out of gas. He's taken ferocious shots since and kept coming.

I don't agree with the chin of china thing on the back of one pro fight.

what about on the back of 2 pro fights and at least 1 ameteur fight?

[stake501]

Solis knocked him out in three rounds in the heavyweight final in the 2001 world champs


solis took a standing eight in teh first
haye took a standing eight in second
haye took a standing eight in the third
haye was tko in the third

but this is solis who has a winning record against savon

[Amsterdam]

Correction: Haye's good. he'll be good heavyweight - he's got power and there's more call for lighter heavyweights.

he can box, he can move, he's got power, he's smart, his defence is improving. He got put down by Carl Thompson because he over-exerted himself early and ran out of gas. He's taken ferocious shots since and kept coming.

I don't agree with the chin of china thing on the back of one pro fight.

No, Haye doesn't have a china chin, but he also doesn't have a good chin. I'd say it's "shaky", which means he can recover if he's dropped, where as china is shattered if put on the canvas.

[Boro chris]

I think theres a strong distinction between ****** fighters an British ones.

[1fletch]

All you have to do to prove that theory is ask any American 'Benn or Eubank vs Jones Jnr or Toney'. George Foreman, Don King and others have said they set great store by our two, Jones is rumoured to have said he didnt want to face Eubank, but any Yank would say KO round 2 for RJJ or JT. Despite that being the Barkley and McClellan predictions.....

[AllyT]

I think it is just a case of British fighters being unknown.

In Hattons last bout the pundits obviously knew little or nothing about Hatton. Spouting rubbish like "Hatton needs to box on the outside" or proclaiming Castillo as the better body puncher just before he got dropped.

It was not disrespect it was lack of knowledge, the punters get their info from the pundits, if they gave not done their homework the punter is lead up the garden path.

[Max Molyneux]

He won the title the hard way, but got lucky with his opponent.

Got lucky with Corley?:huh

Witter clowned him.

[Max Molyneux]

Americans overrate RJJ a little too much, by looking at clips of him he seems to be a fighter who mostly just had pure reflexes, not much else and use that logic for favouring him against Calzaghe.

Calzaghe Is more multi dimensional than Jones was.

["TKO"]

Got lucky with Corley?:huh

Witter clowned him.

Hmmm.. hardly that. It was a boring fight with little action from either side. Witter did little and Corley next to nothing. Witter won, no question about it. I think what he meant was that Witter was lucky to be facing Corley (who had lost 3 of his last 6 and got stopped by an unknown in his next bout) for a version of the "world" title.

[achillesthegreat]

Brits are the best. Haye will be the man at 200. Calzaghe will be the man at 168. Calzaghe will then be the man at 175 when he beats Wright and Haye will then be the man when he cleans up HW. That is 168 to HW under British occupation.

Hatton is the man at 140 and when he bum fucks Floyd he will rule 147.

We need someone to rep it for the UK and take over 154 and 160.

135 down we have some things in the work with Amir, Arthur etc (not 100% confident in any of them). 140 up though we are the fucking nuts!

[Max Molyneux]

Hmmm.. hardly that. It was a boring fight with little action from either side. Witter did little and Corley next to nothing. Witter won, no question about it. I think what he meant was that Witter was lucky to be facing Corley (who had lost 3 of his last 6 and got stopped by an unknown in his next bout) for a version of the "world" title.

He made Lightweight In his last fight maybe he was weight drained. Corley was nominated by the WBC so who could Witter of fought? Witter can't turn down these opportunities like Hatton.

Cotto had a contriversial fight with Corley too while Witter won easy. Some were making out Witter would be troubled by Corley too.

[LeadLeftHook]

Why is it that British boxers dont get the respect they deserve?

We have current world champs : Hatton, Woods, Witter, Calzage
Former world champs: Benn, Eubank, Bruno, Lewis, Nelson, Naz
Exciting new comers: Khan, Mitchell, Duddy, Haye
Fringe contenders: Macrenelli, Magee, Reid, Froch, Arthur

Yet when matchups are thought up British fighters are always the underdogs or completly dissmissed. Credit some people rate Hatton high but what about everyone else.

Does anyone have there own thoughts on the subject or am I wrong and British fighters dont match up to the Americans, Mexicans, Puerto Ricans etc...

Historically American fighters have dominated. I also feel its because British fighters take a very long time to step up to world level such as Hatton, Calzaghe, and Naz.