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quest
08-05-2008, 10:58 PM
Im just amazed at Toney's skill level, I believe he was born to fight just like he says...and he always fights so relaxed on top of having a granite chin. Unfortunately i have only seen a few youtube videos of Archie and could n't really get a grasp of his "Greatness" based on youtube.....PLEASE fill me in
McGrain
08-05-2008, 11:10 PM
Toney in pure terms.

Allowing for creation of chances and generalship, Moore. Moore is the better fighter generally. There were few men he couldn't create the proper chance against.
john garfield
08-05-2008, 11:38 PM
Think this may surprise many of you.

Spoke to James Toney in the gym and asked which fighters he respected. Archie Moore, Ray Robinson, Charley Burley, Holman Williams, and Rocky Marciano, was his answer.

"Why Marciano?" I asked.

"He's ol' school," he said, and went back to punching a peanut bag the size of a golf ball.
McGrain
08-05-2008, 11:40 PM
It doesn't suprise me at all that he mentions Burley, Williams. Toney was raised on boxing and in it, not to mention understanding it.
john garfield
08-05-2008, 11:48 PM
It doesn't suprise me at all that he mentions Burley, Williams. Toney was raised on boxing and in it, not to mention understanding it.

Did his mention of Marciano surprise you, Mc?
Loewe
08-06-2008, 04:00 AM
It doesn't suprise me at all that he mentions Burley, Williams. Toney was raised on boxing and in it, not to mention understanding it.

Sad that he wasn´t raised in conditioning himself and self-discipline.
mcvey
08-06-2008, 04:57 AM
Im just amazed at Toney's skill level, I believe he was born to fight just like he says...and he always fights so relaxed on top of having a granite chin. Unfortunately i have only seen a few youtube videos of Archie and could n't really get a grasp of his "Greatness" based on youtube.....PLEASE fill me in
Toney has better head and shoulder movement I think, Archie relied on his crossarmed turtle like defence,but by dint of his dedication consistancy and longevity Moore is the greater fighter by far,imo.
McGrain
08-06-2008, 06:37 AM
Did his mention of Marciano surprise you, Mc?

Yes...that's a bit of a surprise actually. They are almost like polar opposites, or in their purest forms they are like opposites.

That's interesting.
SuzieQ49
08-06-2008, 07:36 AM
Unfortunately i have only seen a few youtube videos of Archie and could n't really get a grasp of his "Greatness" based on youtube.....PLEASE fill me in


what film of youtube do you have? I have film of archie dating all the way back to 1940. His best filmed performance is his 9 round stoppage of jimmy bivins in 1947, archie moore looks amazing, on a whole different level than the very talented james toney. archie at his best was quicker, sharper, better upperbody movement, better footwork and believe it or not trickier! and thats only from a technical standpoint. james is great though, he made sam peter look like a fool in their first fight despite being 37 and obese.