View Full Version : How is big Bob and Hoppa a main event..
Watto
08-06-2008, 05:54 AM
Who in their right mind would pay $50 to watch this card.Fair enough its an aussie title,but the rest of the card looks suspect.There have been better cards on fox...
Kegsy
08-06-2008, 05:58 AM
Who in their right mind would pay $50 to watch this card.Fair enough its an aussie title,but the rest of the card looks suspect.There have been better cards on fox...
Yeah well...we in Australia like these "sideshow act" fights.
ipswich express
08-06-2008, 06:26 AM
Pretty sure it's $30, if that's the case I can't see much room for complaint. Sadly, decent fights cost decent money to put together on a promotion, it's a fact of life. Bob and John aren't fighting for peanuts, I can assure you.
Watto
08-06-2008, 06:43 AM
Im only too happy to go to the fights or get the ppv,but you have to warrant whats worth paying for and this certainly isnt.I respect that the boxers need to be paid and all,but how can you produce a card of this standard and expect people to actually pay for it.If there were say another quality fight on the card id think about it.It will b a flop
bushboy
08-06-2008, 06:57 AM
IE, what sort of chaff are we talking here? Just interested in what sort of earning leverage hoppa has, I've heard that he was up for $10,000 in his pro debut, a 4 rounder against a bloke who couldnt fight that went for 47 seconds
ipswich express
08-06-2008, 07:13 AM
That's your opinion Watto. The answer's simple. Don't buy it. As for it being a flop, there's no chance of that. Interest in it is already huge. BushBoy, I don't think I should really be putting up numbers on a public forum. That's between the lads and the promoter and sponsors.
Watto
08-06-2008, 07:52 AM
your right ipswich i wont b getting it..I mean a 42 year old heavyweight fighting an ex rugby slugger with a shite record,hardly worth it,whats worse is the card that goes with,in a word joke..
ipswich express
08-06-2008, 07:58 AM
Luckily for the promoter you're in the minority...
Kegsy
08-06-2008, 09:29 AM
Luckily for the promoter you're in the minority... IMO Jamie Myer could have put together a better undercard no doubt...but there will totally be huge interest in Hoppa's match.:deal
ipswich express
08-06-2008, 10:53 AM
I guess it's hard when fighters verbally commit and then pull out. Such is boxing in this country.
Francis75
08-06-2008, 11:09 AM
It is an absolute criminal act putting this on as a PPV. Yes yes i know Big Bob Mirovic is a good honest bloke and needs some coin. The recent Judah-Clottey fight was seen free in USA and UK to pay tv subscribers. The poor Aussie boxing fans don't get to see it at all, but wait we will get to see the Big Bob v Hoppa "superfight" on PPV. OH FFS
Lets all be honest here. Hoppa was a very good Rugby League player and is a tough dude who you would love to back you up in a pub brawl, but He will never amount to anything as a boxer and has already been beaten by 2 labourers with losing records. Bob Mirovic is a much more accomplished boxer than Hoppa, of course, but he is nothing but a journeyman on the world scene. I'm sorry if this seems harsh, but it's just the way i see it.
If you are happy with this fight as a PPV then you shouldn't complain about someone like Mundine ( argueably top 10 in the world 160-168 ) fighting journeymen as a PPV.
ipswich express
08-06-2008, 11:29 AM
It depends on how you look at it. It'll be available on ppv for about the same price as the cheapest ticket. If more Australian cards were televised for a similar fee, I'd have no qualms selling out for them. Comparing this to Anthony isn't accurate. He is a talented fighter who seldom challenges himself against opposition that will give him a stern test. The same can not be said of Mirovic and Hopoate. The undercard is competitive, again unlike Mundine's, so I'm missing your point really.
Francis75
08-06-2008, 11:46 AM
It depends on how you look at it. It'll be available on ppv for about the same price as the cheapest ticket. If more Australian cards were televised for a similar fee, I'd have no qualms selling out for them. Comparing this to Anthony isn't accurate. He is a talented fighter who seldom challenges himself against opposition that will give him a stern test. The same can not be said of Mirovic and Hopoate. The undercard is competitive, again unlike Mundine's, so I'm missing your point really.
Just because it will cost the amount of a ticket doesn't justify it being PPV. With all things in life, you pay for higher quality products and this fight is certainly nowhere near a high quality product. The fight should just be on fox sports where viewers ( who have already shelled out $$$ ) for their pay tv subscription can watch. If this fight is a good enough product then there would be plenty of sponsors/fans/corporates etc etc to generate enough money where the fighter's would get paid for what they are worth. That is just my opinion. I might be wrong, maybe their will be a sh#t load of people willing to pay $$$ to watch this. I would be happy to watch the fight but certainly wouldn't pay extra to watch it. This is just another example of boxing fans being used and abused by tv companies.
Watto
08-06-2008, 12:12 PM
I agree Francis..
leati
08-06-2008, 04:40 PM
$30.00 for ppv.....
ipswich express
08-06-2008, 05:10 PM
If you think that a promoter could afford to put a show together of this magnitude on what Fox Sports shell out for Friday Night Fights, you'd be sadly mistaken. That's the bottom line.
RayKelly
08-06-2008, 07:50 PM
This just seems like a crazy argument. If you don't think it's worth paying to watch, then don't watch it. If you do think it's worth it, then do!
Pretty simple
COULDHAVEBEEN
08-06-2008, 08:27 PM
The main event doesn't excite me much. Though perhaps ithe moment of truth has arrived for Hopoate.
I've seen worse undercards (most Mundine undercards for instance), and Sherringham vs Jungle Boy is potentially a good match-up.
IPSWITCH: You KO'd big Bob some years ago I believe. Having been in with Bob, what's your feeling for how the main event might eventuate mate??
ipswich express
08-07-2008, 12:06 AM
The main event doesn't excite me much. Though perhaps ithe moment of truth has arrived for Hopoate.
I've seen worse undercards (most Mundine undercards for instance), and Sherringham vs Jungle Boy is potentially a good match-up.
IPSWITCH: You KO'd big Bob some years ago I believe. Having been in with Bob, what's your feeling for how the main event might eventuate mate??
G'day COULDAHAVEBEEN, I completely agree that Sherrington and Sonni is a good match up. If Sonni can drag Les into a brawl, it could be a barn burner. I think Hopoate's timing is right. Bob has to start sliding at some stage due to his age and wars. If Hoppa can do one thing, it's punch so there's a good chance he can catch Bob early as Bob is a slow starter. I really don't know who to pick. I think if it goes past 5 it suits Bob, but I'm not so sure it will. Also, I think you have me confused, I couldn't KO Bob with an Elephant gun.
Also, I think you have me confused, I couldn't KO Bob with an Elephant gun.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
cedrichw
08-07-2008, 04:03 AM
Pretty sure it's $30, if that's the case I can't see much room for complaint. Sadly, decent fights cost decent money to put together on a promotion, it's a fact of life. Bob and John aren't fighting for peanuts, I can assure you.
i would think Bob would be around the 15K mark and hoppa would want a good hit as well lets hope the Bob V Humono fight comes off soon afterwards
your right ipswich i wont b getting it..I mean a 42 year old heavyweight fighting an ex rugby slugger with a shite record,hardly worth it,whats worse is the card that goes with,in a word joke..
I totally agree with you. IMO, this isn't good for boxing in Australia. It turns boxing into a circus, not a legitimate sport. I have absolutely no interest in seeing this fight. Big Bob is a tough guy, and a good aussie heavy. Hoppa is at least taking his boxing career seriously as well.
Still, for a PPV card, this quality is woeful. While i don't disrespect them as fighters, the quality of this fight isn't going to be anywhere near worthy of a PPV attraction. It will be a slugfest for the most part, not anything that will get the general public here to appreciate boxing as a technical sport. Kickett v Dibb would be, in terms of matching aussie talent... That is one of the only fights that really would be worthy at this point, and only by a slim margin. PPV main event is supposed to be world class fighters, lets face it.
This is starting to turn into K1 type stuff IMO, which is another big hate of mine (in regards to the fights they were making with the heavies).
If you think that a promoter could afford to put a show together of this magnitude on what Fox Sports shell out for Friday Night Fights, you'd be sadly mistaken. That's the bottom line.
I don't doubt for a second that this is a great way to finance the card properly. What i dislike though, is that fights like this are what stimulates the australian audience into buying PPV cards. Meaning that legitimate current world class contenders are getting pushed aside, so that these type of fights can take place... IMO it really isn't good for the sport, and as such i would never support something like this.
Australian boxing needs to be trying to EDUCATE the casual viewer about the sport, so that people TREAT IT LIKE A SPORT. Not just a violent spectacle.
How they do it? Who knows? This certainly doesn't help though.
What we really need is free to air coverage, with good commentary, not Michael Shivello (spelling) or whoever else sprouting off ridiculous analogies and taking the focus away from what is ACTUALLY happening in the ring.
ipswich express
08-11-2008, 03:02 AM
Surely it's up to a fighter to make himself attractive to the public. Willie Kickett seems to be doing a decent job at it. Fighters need to promote themselves instead of always relying on others to do it. I understand where you're coming from, but Hoppa has paid his dues. A lot of other fighters get an Australian title shot long before 12 or so fights. Interesting cross roads fight.
Matt Powell v Jackson Asiku, 6 x 3 mins - undercard.
catch22
08-11-2008, 03:36 AM
I couldnt agree more MSTR, Michael Shivello is a knob.
Surely it's up to a fighter to make himself attractive to the public. Willie Kickett seems to be doing a decent job at it. Fighters need to promote themselves instead of always relying on others to do it. I understand where you're coming from, but Hoppa has paid his dues. A lot of other fighters get an Australian title shot long before 12 or so fights. Interesting cross roads fight.
Matt Powell v Jackson Asiku, 6 x 3 mins - undercard.
Hoppa has paid his dues MAYBE (not really IMO, but then again who else is there?) as a fighter, but not as a PPV attraction.
Yes it is up to fighters to make themselves known. However, the promoters play a very very big part in this also. How will they ever get known if they are pushed aside for guys coming across from league (who in some ways are making a mockery of the sport)?
I personally loved what australian kickboxing did for their big names. Guys like Ozkan, Makfie (spelling), Monkongtong, Burton, Zambidis, Parr, Dawson all became good name fighters, because they fought very hard fights against each other on fox.
These guys were getting coverage, and not just against fighting some bum of the month. It created a lot of interest in the sport, and really did big things for it especially here in qld. They put together some absolutely FANTASTIC cards as well.
Boxing in comparison puts on some absolute stinkers, despite IMO having the greater quality of athletes, and the more internationally recongnised sport BY FAR.
Maybe aus boxing could take a leaf out of their book....
I don't know first thing about promoting obviously, but it just seems strange that one sport can do it so effectively, and another sport of the same nature cannot. Why is that IYO?
What prevents aussie boxing from putting together some cards with the same sort of level of fights/fighters?
The obvious answer to me would be that boxers and boxing promoters are far more money hungry, and as such we the public lose out. Just my two cents.
I have watched some absolute ball tearing kickboxing fights over the years but on free to air, and have never from memory seen anything even close to boxing, especially when you consider the level of kickboxers fighting (often times genuine world class)...
one in a million
08-11-2008, 03:55 AM
So are you saying that the only fight worth watching is Bob & John? And are you saying the boxers on the undercard will not give it their all? I hope not, I hope to be going and it better be entertaining for all who are watching!
one in a million
08-11-2008, 04:00 AM
Hoppa has paid his dues MAYBE (not really IMO, but then again who else is there?) as a fighter, but not as a PPV attraction.
Yes it is up to fighters to make themselves known. However, the promoters play a very very big part in this also. How will they ever get known if they are pushed aside for guys coming across from league (who in some ways are making a mockery of the sport)?
I personally loved what australian kickboxing did for their big names. Guys like Ozkan, Makfie (spelling), Monkongtong, Burton, Zambidis, Parr, Dawson all became good name fighters, because they fought very hard fights against each other on fox.
These guys were getting coverage, and not just against fighting some bum of the month. It created a lot of interest in the sport, and really did big things for it especially here in qld. They put together some absolutely FANTASTIC cards as well.
Boxing in comparison puts on some absolute stinkers, despite IMO having the greater quality of athletes, and the more internationally recongnised sport BY FAR.
Maybe aus boxing could take a leaf out of their book....
I don't know first thing about promoting obviously, but it just seems strange that one sport can do it so effectively, and another sport of the same nature cannot. Why is that IYO?
What prevents aussie boxing from putting together some cards with the same sort of level of fights/fighters?
The obvious answer to me would be that boxers and boxing promoters are far more money hungry, and as such we the public lose out. Just my two cents.
I have watched some absolute ball tearing kickboxing fights over the years but on free to air, and have never from memory seen anything even close to boxing, especially when you consider the level of kickboxers fighting (often times genuine world class)...
Is that your avatar for your loss? Pretty tame don't you think Jarrod...
Is that your avatar for your loss? Pretty tame don't you think Jarrod...
Yeah kind of is, however i didn't choose it. He could have given me anything he liked...
ipswich express
08-11-2008, 07:08 AM
Hoppa has paid his dues MAYBE (not really IMO, but then again who else is there?) as a fighter, but not as a PPV attraction.
Yes it is up to fighters to make themselves known. However, the promoters play a very very big part in this also. How will they ever get known if they are pushed aside for guys coming across from league (who in some ways are making a mockery of the sport)?
I personally loved what australian kickboxing did for their big names. Guys like Ozkan, Makfie (spelling), Monkongtong, Burton, Zambidis, Parr, Dawson all became good name fighters, because they fought very hard fights against each other on fox.
These guys were getting coverage, and not just against fighting some bum of the month. It created a lot of interest in the sport, and really did big things for it especially here in qld. They put together some absolutely FANTASTIC cards as well.
Boxing in comparison puts on some absolute stinkers, despite IMO having the greater quality of athletes, and the more internationally recongnised sport BY FAR.
Maybe aus boxing could take a leaf out of their book....
I don't know first thing about promoting obviously, but it just seems strange that one sport can do it so effectively, and another sport of the same nature cannot. Why is that IYO?
What prevents aussie boxing from putting together some cards with the same sort of level of fights/fighters?
The obvious answer to me would be that boxers and boxing promoters are far more money hungry, and as such we the public lose out. Just my two cents.
I have watched some absolute ball tearing kickboxing fights over the years but on free to air, and have never from memory seen anything even close to boxing, especially when you consider the level of kickboxers fighting (often times genuine world class)...
The reason kickers fight each other is because in comparison they don't get paid as well, therefore to get the decent bucks they face each other. I've got no real dramas with Hoppa. The bloke can fight. I don't really see it as making a mockery of the sport to be honest. Mark Gastineau made a mockery, Hoppa doesn't.
westside
08-11-2008, 09:56 AM
jamie has a very good idea of value.
at the end of the day, the price is set at its true 'worth' (both for ppv & entry). i think its pretty spot on.
choc on the other hand, has been struggling with the last few.
The reason kickers fight each other is because in comparison they don't get paid as well, therefore to get the decent bucks they face each other. I've got no real dramas with Hoppa. The bloke can fight. I don't really see it as making a mockery of the sport to be honest. Mark Gastineau made a mockery, Hoppa doesn't.
Hoppa has devoted himself to the sport properly. I was meaning Rugby players in general....
I like the cards that Jamie has done in the past, with matches like Shero v Pittman, and some of the Topp fights that were very competitive and good to watch.
When i am talking bad cards, more or less speaking about Mundines. Regardless, i still don't think this should be PPV, but i guess if it gets the fighters more money then it can't be a bad thing. I just hope that other top aussie fighters get their chance as well, and it doesn't just become Hoppa fighting on PPV from here on in.
ipswich express
08-11-2008, 11:35 AM
Hoppa has devoted himself to the sport properly. I was meaning Rugby players in general....
I like the cards that Jamie has done in the past, with matches like Shero v Pittman, and some of the Topp fights that were very competitive and good to watch.
When i am talking bad cards, more or less speaking about Mundines. Regardless, i still don't think this should be PPV, but i guess if it gets the fighters more money then it can't be a bad thing. I just hope that other top aussie fighters get their chance as well, and it doesn't just become Hoppa fighting on PPV from here on in.
Yeah mate I know you have. He's had some good cards in the past. It's a shame that Pittman is taking a breather because his rematch with Sherro would've been a barn burner. I can understand if you don't think it should be a PPV. I don't like paying for anything :) but it's logistically the only way a fight of this magnitude can be made. Also, and think about this, when was the last time there was an Aussie fight (particuarly Heavys) where the general public were quite familiar with. It's been a while I reckon. I doubt Hops is a PPV fighter from here on in. He needs to keep busy and keep developing his game.
CarltonBlues
08-12-2008, 10:17 PM
Gee I thought paying for Mundine fights were bad but at least he's world class.
Gee I thought paying for Mundine fights were bad but at least he's world class.
Mundine's cards are worse than this. At least this is competitive. Some of Choc's fights shouldn't have even been sanctioned. I would sooner pay for this than choc vs random argie cabdriver.
CarltonBlues
08-12-2008, 10:56 PM
Mundine's cards are worse than this. At least this is competitive. Some of Choc's fights shouldn't have even been sanctioned. I would sooner pay for this than choc vs random argie cabdriver.
I don't think either should be PPV so I'm not going to argue about it but Mundine is a top ranked fighter and his opponents although B grade are still ranked higher than Bob and Hoppa.
[quote=CarltonBlues]I don't think either should be PPV so I'm not going to argue about it but Mundine is a top ranked fighter and his opponents although B grade are still ranked higher than Bob and Hoppa.[/quote
Fair enough.
ipswich express
08-13-2008, 12:30 AM
I don't think either should be PPV so I'm not going to argue about it but Mundine is a top ranked fighter and his opponents although B grade are still ranked higher than Bob and Hoppa.
I suppose it's all about watching evenly matched fights. I'd rather watch two even journeymen then a talented fighter in a glorified spar.
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