Does Chavez get Seriously Underatted on this Board

[TIGEREDGE]

I really think so. a lot of people just see him as come forward brawler with no defensive skill or boxing ability. which was far from the truth

He could box really well and had very good head movement. his punch accuracy was superb and often overlooked

I have read many threads on who would win between JCC and Duran and sweet pea. Lots of people really diss JCC's chances against these two. I think that he has a stone cold 50-50 chance to beat anyone in history @ the divisions that he fought great at

[Unforgiven]

I rate Chavez highly. At his best, I give him a 50-50 chance against a peak Duran.
I dont take much notice of what others on this board say.

[DINAMITA]

I really think so. a lot of people just see him as come forward brawler with no defensive skill or boxing ability. which was far from the truth

He could box really well and had very good head movement. his punch accuracy was superb and often overlooked

I have read many threads on who would win between JCC and Duran and sweet pea. Lots of people really diss JCC's chances against these two. I think that he has a stone cold 50-50 chance to beat anyone in history @ the divisions that he fought great at

I agree with you on Chavez. Too many people think that unless you conform to a certain style, a conventional 'silky' boxer who boxes on the outside, jabbing and always going for headshots, concentrating on using speed and athleticism, then if you don't fight like this, you aren't a "skilled" boxer. It's nonsense, Chavez's style of fighting is every bit as skilled and effective, and JCC himself was a master at it.

However, I don't know if I agree he is underrated in this here Classic Forum. As far as I know, more or less everyone agrees that Whitaker, Chavez and RJJ are the top 3 of the last 20-25 years p4p, and that Chavez should be 1 of the top 20 p4p fighters ever.

And yet however, my own opinion is that Duran would definitely beat him, and that Whitaker probably would, but that does not mean I do not think he is a true great of all-time, just that Duran is a superior fighter and that Whitaker would probably beat him stylistically.

JC=Superstar.

[Hatesrats]

Yes, Very Underatted and hated mostly because of his actions in defeat.
(People tend to not like the fact that Chavez hated to lose, and was often called a sore loser or abad sport by never ack any of his defeat's)

But what people fail to understand, is that version of Chavez was not the P4P
best fighter of the Mid 80's/Early 90's, It was a post Taylor on the decline JCC.

[DINAMITA]

Yes, Very Underatted and hated mostly because of his actions in defeat.
(People tend to not like the fact that Chavez hated to lose, and was often called a sore loser or abad sport by never ack any of his defeat's)

But what people fail to understand, is that version of Chavez was not the P4P
best fighter of the Mid 80's/Early 90's, It was a post Taylor on the decline JCC.

A good loser is a loser. You're right that shouldn't be held against JCC, and your point on Chavez's peak is bang on as well. How many times have I read that Whitaker beat a 'peak' Chavez?! He most certainly did not!

[TommyV]

No. Seeing as I've regularly seen him ranked as top 20 p4p of all-time on this forum.

[sweet_scientist]

I don't think I've ever seen Chavez outside of a top 30 all time list that's been posted on the classic forum.

Just because most pick Duran and Whitaker to beat him does not mean he is underrated. You'll find those majority opinions no matter where you go.

[sweet_scientist]

No. Seeing as I've regularly seen him ranked as top 20 p4p of all-time on this forum.

Spot on Tommy.

[TIGEREDGE]

I don't think I've ever seen Chavez outside of a top 30 all time list that's been posted on the classic forum.

Just because most pick Duran and Whitaker to beat him does not mean he is underrated. You'll find those majority opinions no matter where you go.
i do not have a problem with people picking thoise guys over him. my problem is the way posters act like it is a foregone conclusion that they will win

[natonic]

I rate Chavez very highly. I think him and Duran would be a war, but Duran is arguably the greatest Lightweight ever and I'd give Duran a slight edge. I rate Chavez higher historically than Whitaker, but it's a tough stylistic matchup for him as proven by the fight they had.

[AliFrazier71]

Unfortuatley, I would say yes. Its a shame, that many posters on here today only look at "sportscenter" hype, and think if you do not conform to the razzle dazzle, then you somehow suck. There are so many subtleties that people today take for granted, such as body punching, amazing stamina, good chin, etc., mean nothing, and that if you possess "only" these skills, you are overrated and suck. It irritates me when people cant look beyond the tips of their noses and can't appreciate great fighters, such as Chavez.

[Bill Butcher]

I really think so. a lot of people just see him as come forward brawler with no defensive skill or boxing ability. which was far from the truth

He could box really well and had very good head movement. his punch accuracy was superb and often overlooked

I have read many threads on who would win between JCC and Duran and sweet pea. Lots of people really diss JCC's chances against these two. I think that he has a stone cold 50-50 chance to beat anyone in history @ the divisions that he fought great at

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Word for word

[Mantequilla]

there are and have been a great many Chavez threads with differing opinions within.

I would not say he's underrated.HTe problem seems to be that he often ends up getting discussed regarding Whitaker or the Whitaker fight specifically.

I strongly feel there is not nearly enough Chavez vs Whitaker discussion.More threads are needed quickly.;)

[redrooster]

The great BL is #1 with Gans behind him. Duran is #5. I don't know where Chavez is. WHo did he beat at lightweight that was so great? Rosario was already beaten by Hector Camacho and Ramirez twice.

[Mendoza]

JC Chavez was a top fighter. He could punch, had a great left to the body, and was durable. Don King did something right by putting Chavez out on PPV cards.

Chavez was not a all time p4p great in my book because he wasn't a good boxer.

The draw with Whitaker was a gift for Chavez. For those who remember this robbery, Whitaker actually had Chavaez buzzed.

[TIGEREDGE]

JC Chavez was a top fighter. He could punch, had a great left to the body, and was durable. Don King did something right by putting Chavez out on PPV cards.

Chavez was not a all time p4p great in my book because he wasn't a good boxer.

The draw with Whitaker was a gift for Chavez. For those who remember this robbery, Whitaker actually had Chavaez buzzed.

he was a very good boxer who used these skills to get his body punching in. you must not have watched him in his prime

[Mendoza]

he was a very good boxer who used these skills to get his body punching in. you must not have watched him in his prime


I've seen Chavez fight in the 90's at least 10 times. I am familiar with his “ gancho “ punch, and it was his money shot. On par with Mickey Ward’s body shot.

Chavez was never slick or fast handed. He was a methodical grinder, who won on his durability, and will to win before his skills or his power.

Chavez had the old Mexican style. He just was never a dynamic type of fighter, and every ATG I can think of at lightweight or welter was skilled, and fast.

[JohnThomas1]

The great BL is #1 with Gans behind him.

Bazooka Limon wasn't prominent at 135!!!!

:smoke

[Pat_Lowe]

I've seen Chavez fight in the 90's at least 10 times. I am familiar with his “ gancho “ punch, and it was his money shot. On par with Mickey Ward’s body shot.

Chavez was never slick or fast handed. He was a methodical grinder, who won on his durability, and will to win before his skills or his power.

Chavez had the old Mexican style. He just was never a dynamic type of fighter, and every ATG I can think of at lightweight or welter was skilled, and fast.

Chavez was at his best in the 80's. He peaked at lightweight, but he had alot of his best wins at 130. Henry Armstrong relied on pressure to break down his opponents and he is pretty much a consensus top 3 fighter ever. Why switch to a plan B if plan A works just fine. Chavez's 'methodical grinding' style worked perfect and made the most of his strengths.

If you want to see Chavez using a dynamic range of skills watch his fight with Rocky Lockridge, a good, high quality contender (and titlist) from the 80's. In the midrounds Chavez broke his hand or damaged it, and he was forced to box at range and pick his spots on the inside. It was a close fight but Chavez showed he could vary his gameplan and do more then just work on the inside.

There are many different styles, you can't penalise a fighter because he didn't show the ability to use another style. And in this case Chavez did show that ability, and for 80 something fights his style worked fine.

[TIGEREDGE]

I've seen Chavez fight in the 90's at least 10 times. I am familiar with his “ gancho “ punch, and it was his money shot. On par with Mickey Ward’s body shot.

Chavez was never slick or fast handed. He was a methodical grinder, who won on his durability, and will to win before his skills or his power.

Chavez had the old Mexican style. He just was never a dynamic type of fighter, and every ATG I can think of at lightweight or welter was skilled, and fast.

because a guy is not the slickest or fastest of hand, does not mean he could not box. have you ever watched Joe Louis and Alex Arguello

JCC like the two mentioned above were what you call deceptively quick

[Loewe]

Chavez was a great fighter, one of the best of the last 20 years, and i don´t think he is underrated over here. Most people have him in their Top20 and i think that´s about fair. He would give both, Duran and Whitaker, a good fight but would imo also lose to both.

[ripcity]

Depends, He dose not get a lot of credit at 130 where he might be the best ever and 135, but he is overratted at 140 and 147.

[DINAMITA]

The great BL is #1 with Gans behind him. Duran is #5. I don't know where Chavez is. WHo did he beat at lightweight that was so great? Rosario was already beaten by Hector Camacho and Ramirez twice.

Duran is #5? And a guy you've never seen fight is #1? Laughable.