View Full Version : Katsidis as compared to Mundine
In just 2 international fights Katsidis has already gained more credibility internationally then Anthony Mundine. He is not only more well known but is more well liked, with very big wraps coming from Jim Lampley, Larry Merchant and Emanuel Steward as well as Golden Boy Promotions. But lets look further into this. Surely there must be some reason behind this? I mean Anthony Mundine is "the man". Shouldn't that in itself mean he is the more popular fighter. What are your thoughts?
IMO its because Katsidis is more exciting to watch, more humble, more willing to take tough fights, and more willing to fight overseas. This gets a lot of respect from fight fans. Burning the Union Jack pretty much does the exact opposite.
Marcus
07-26-2007, 09:40 PM
P4P i think Mundines is just in front atm but could change soon. But world wide like i said before "Whos Mundine" Oh MSTR you are baiting these nuthugger like a expert fisherman :good
Dr Gonzo
07-26-2007, 09:41 PM
IMO its because Katsidis is more exciting to watch, more humble, more willing to take tough fights, and more willing to fight overseas. This gets a lot of respect from fight fans. Burning the Union Jack pretty much does the exact opposite.
exactly - oh and he isnt trying to bite anybody elses boxing style...
P4P i think Mundines is just in front atm but could change soon. But world wide like i said before "Whos Mundine" Oh MSTR you are baiting these nuthugger like a expert fisherman :good
hahaha.... shhhhh. Quiet. World wide people think Mundine is a peice of sh*t. I actually think internationally he deserves more credit then he gets, but I would say that Katsidis is definitely the more well known fighter at the moment, as the Earl fight in th UK and the recent PPV undercard fight in the US both gave him mainstream exposure to both markets.
IMO its because Katsidis is more exciting to watch, more humble, more willing to take tough fights, and more willing to fight overseas. This gets a lot of respect from fight fans. Burning the Union Jack pretty much does the exact opposite.
I think you can blam Nasser for this much more than you can blame Mundine....
Kegsy
07-26-2007, 10:31 PM
Great thread boys, for some reason the Mundine nuthuggers have not appeared.
I probably spoke too soon.:yep
I think you can blam Nasser for this much more than you can blame Mundine....
You wonder why they never put him on a US card? Even on the undercard, you think he would benefit from the increased exposure? I guess probably the main reason is that the US is relatively weak in the SMW division.
Kegsy
07-26-2007, 10:56 PM
You wonder why they never put him on a US card? Even on the undercard, you think he would benefit from the increased exposure? I guess probably the main reason is that the US is relatively weak in the SMW division. Still they could have matched him with a Allan Green, Rubin Williams, Peter Manfredo etc.
All pretty safe bets for Mundine IMO.:deal
No risk, no reward i guess.:yep
Still they could have matched him with a Allan Green, Rubin Williams, Peter Manfredo etc.
All pretty safe bets for Mundine IMO.:deal
No risk, no reward i guess.:yep
Good point. Manfredo would have been a great fight for him to showcase his skills.
BoppaZoo
07-27-2007, 12:22 AM
you know the real good thing about Rocky though.
in his last 2 fights he has given us fans Katsidis vs Earl and Katsidis vs Amonsot within 6months of each other. Both fights are in the top 5 for fights of the year candidates.
He is and we know why going to be very much liked especially when there are so many dud fights being made. and Katsidis gives you 2 rippers within a years.
Remove user from ignore listwizkid This message is hidden because wizkid is on your ignore list. Sorry mate I didn't get your last post. Can you run it by me again highlighting the strong points of your arguement, and provide any background information to support your claims.
:yep for some reason i couldnt make out what he was saying either?
The mind boggles at the sheer volume of true boxing insight that we are missing.
EelsRule
07-27-2007, 02:08 AM
MSTR needs to be told that WIZKID isnt talking to him. Sort of looks like he wishes it meant something to WIZKID, but because it doesnt it seems like it means more to MSTR. I dont know I just feel a little embarrased for him.
waynesmale
07-27-2007, 02:54 AM
Reason Mundine won’t fight overseas and this is truly what I believe is that he is being carried. When you look at it besides Ottke who he took on in Germany he never wants to leave Oz to fight. Kessler which was a hard fight was here, Siaca here, Green of course was here.
Besides those names I just listed who has really tested Mundine? Ottke who I always thought was a coward and a chump who got gift calls and NEVER fought outside of his home WHICH IS WHY HE NEVER made a name for himself.
Mundine needs to take the risk and call out Taylor and fight him in the USA or even Miranda someone along those lines who can test him and push him.
Barge FTA
07-27-2007, 02:55 AM
Briggs, Darchinyan, Green, Kostya & Mundine are 5 Australian fighters ahead of Katsidis right now. Katsidis would come in ahead of Lovemore N'dou and Gairy St Clair though.
Briggs, Darchinyan, Green, Kostya & Mundine are 5 Australian fighters ahead of Katsidis right now. Katsidis would come in ahead of Lovemore N'dou and Gairy St Clair though.
I didn't know Kostya was still fighting? I was comparing only two of them also in terms of recognition on an international level. Katsidis is discussed much more then Mundine in the general, and due to his international exposure he would be the bigger name ATM in the US and UK. He captured a lot of attention with his exciting style.
boxa01
07-27-2007, 03:04 AM
It would be good to see mundine step it up and fight some big names but i think any of us in his situation would fight the bums aswell when khodder is making him the money he makes why would u take risks
Barge FTA
07-27-2007, 03:08 AM
I didn't know Kostya was still fighting? I was comparing only two of them also in terms of recognition on an international level. Katsidis is discussed much more then Mundine in the general, and due to his international exposure he would be the bigger name ATM in the US and UK. He captured a lot of attention with his exciting style.
Kostya was interviewed on Fox Sports today and he said he hasn't retired. he is waiting for the right offer. he mentioned a possible rematch with Ricky Hatton or even a fight with ODLH. He said he only wants the big names and will not fight again unless the offer is right.
Kostya was interviewed on Fox Sports today and he said he hasn't retired. he is waiting for the right offer. he mentioned a possible rematch with Ricky Hatton or even a fight with ODLH. He said he only wants the big names and will not fight again unless the offer is right.
Really? I am actually sorry to hear that. I hope he stays retired he has nothing left to prove.
Barge FTA
07-27-2007, 03:14 AM
i can't see any offer coming to the table. Unless Hatton grants a rematch, i can't see any big names bothering with Kostya anymore. i forgot, he also metioned Sugar Shane Mosley as a possibility.
Sugar, Oscar or Ricky..... anyone think any of these guys would go near Kostya anymore?
i can't see any offer coming to the table. Unless Hatton grants a rematch, i can't see any big names bothering with Kostya anymore. i forgot, he also metioned Sugar Shane Mosley as a possibility.
Sugar, Oscar or Ricky..... anyone think any of these guys would go near Kostya anymore?
Oscar probably would. To be honest unless he really gets in tip top shape I can't see him winning here. He has been out of the ring for ages. I know he has done it before, but as he gets older and older it is only going to become harder for him. I would like to see him rematch Hatton and fight smart. I think he could beat Hatton.
deram
07-27-2007, 03:31 AM
I like Katsidis and I was one of the first - maybe the first - to really write about him in here a couple of years ago.
However, it should be obvious that he does not (yet perhaps) have the accomplishments to rival Mundine. In fact he still has quite a way to go.
However, since boxing in the US is in crisis with much of HBO and Showtime's audience made up of wetb... I mean Mexican-Americans, the TV-companies will cater to these people by giving more attention to the divisions where they have a chance. Which is the smaller divisions.
Had Katsidis does exactly what he has done, but at SMW, LHW or CW.. he would have gotten far less American attention (if any at all). Now he gets attention because he is a future opponent of the small fighters which is their bread and butter currently. They expect to build him up and feed him to their "own" fighters so that their fighters will have beaten another 'great' fighter.
PorkChopExpress
07-27-2007, 04:08 AM
Money, the state of the SMW division (if it was as prominent in the US as the more popular divisions over there would be no way to reach the upper echelons top with out fighting there), quite simply Mundine hasn't gotten the exposure over there as Kat and there's not much opportunity in that division now. He can make more money here and even in Europe than the US. His style isn't as crowd pleasing as Kat's who's is probably the most universally liked style (by spectators and casual fans atleast)...
I think he should definitely start fighting out of Oz and taking the bigger challenges like anyone should... but to expect him to crack the US like Kat is something very few fighters (even in the US) could achieve.
PorkChopExpress
07-27-2007, 04:10 AM
Really? I am actually sorry to hear that. I hope he stays retired he has nothing left to prove.
I agree and disagree.. there's always a chance he's got some decent fuel left in the tank. Look what Hopkins just did to Winky! Though activity would have alot to do with that.
ashley
07-27-2007, 04:33 AM
Mundines head is way 2 big to fight on an under card...he must be the star or he wont be interested.
With rockys last two wars he get the nod in popularity.
EelsRule
07-27-2007, 05:25 AM
This thread really does seem to be about establishing Katsidis as the alternative to Darchinian who has now fallen. Darch is gone, Kats must be next best. Lets establish that line of thinking.
Kats has a profile in the US while Mundine doesnt thats all. No big deal.
PorkChopExpress
07-27-2007, 05:45 AM
Vic aint done... you don't get as far as he did with pot luck. There is still an interest in him and he will always have passionate fans/non fans cuz of his style.
ashley
07-27-2007, 08:07 AM
Before Vic's last fight he was the best....one loss and he sux...how is this so?
Yes, Katsidis has gained a lot more exposure particularly in the mecca of boxing, USA. He is willing to travel and is willing to make for exciting fights even if it does mean taking a lot of punishment. Mundine is way ahead of him though in terms of boxing skills and even accomplishments, beaten the better opposition.
I think people realy have a hard time believing that Mundine is the best Aussie fighter out so are looking for any other hopefuls they can jump on a bandwagon to.
The thing with Vic is that it's not only that he lost, but how and who he lost to. He was really exposed in that fight against a guy noone really knew before that fight. If you look at Nonito Donaires' record you see he had never fought any top opposition before and had been fighting journeyman type fighters. He was obviously a better fighter than his record showed though and only needed the oppurtunity and certainly took it. Possibly the upset of the year and KO of the year as well.
waynesmale
07-27-2007, 10:42 AM
Isn't it funny though how now everyone loves Mike lol like i know many were like many who have followed him for years now but like on tonights Oz boxing card they didn't even hype his fight right?
Now all through tonight "Well he should fight in close like katsidis" and all this talk makes me sick. FCUKING team jumping assholes! They don't even talk about the guy and then he puts on a great show and they act like they have always loved him as many are on the chat sites now lol.
good to see people finally follow him but watching tonights card made me sick hearing how great he was when they never gave a 5hit about him more then a week ago.
Yes, Katsidis has gained a lot more exposure particularly in the mecca of boxing, USA. He is willing to travel and is willing to make for exciting fights even if it does mean taking a lot of punishment. Mundine is way ahead of him though in terms of boxing skills and even accomplishments, beaten the better opposition.
I think people realy have a hard time believing that Mundine is the best Aussie fighter out so are looking for any other hopefuls they can jump on a bandwagon to.
The thing with Vic is that it's not only that he lost, but how and who he lost to. He was really exposed in that fight against a guy noone really knew before that fight. If you look at Nonito Donaires' record you see he had never fought any top opposition before and had been fighting journeyman type fighters. He was obviously a better fighter than his record showed though and only needed the oppurtunity and certainly took it. Possibly the upset of the year and KO of the year as well.
Before the fight people who had seen Donaire fight were predicting an upset. I would certainly rate him as a better fighter then Siaca thats for sure. Vi Darchinyian was a true world champion, who beat the champion to get the belt. He defended his belt multiple times and only has one loss to his name. I still rate him above Mundine at this point, who has had more then his fair share of set backs. I love it how you guys ignore mundines losses but point out those of others. You can't have it both ways mate.
Isn't it funny though how now everyone loves Mike lol like i know many were like many who have followed him for years now but like on tonights Oz boxing card they didn't even hype his fight right?
Now all through tonight "Well he should fight in close like katsidis" and all this talk makes me sick. FCUKING team jumping assholes! They don't even talk about the guy and then he puts on a great show and they act like they have always loved him as many are on the chat sites now lol.
good to see people finally follow him but watching tonights card made me sick hearing how great he was when they never gave a 5hit about him more then a week ago.
Exactly, a lot of these guys are bandwagon jumpers. But it's good for Katsidis that he got this kind of exposure. It only means bigger fights and more money in the future.
Before the fight people who had seen Donaire fight were predicting an upset. I would certainly rate him as a better fighter then Siaca thats for sure. Vi Darchinyian was a true world champion, who beat the champion to get the belt. He defended his belt multiple times and only has one loss to his name. I still rate him above Mundine at this point, who has had more then his fair share of set backs. I love it how you guys ignore mundines losses but point out those of others. You can't have it both ways mate.
If you look at P4P ratings, although career accomplishments play a big part, recent outings also a big part as well. Roy Jones fell dramatically after his KO loss to Tarver.
Noone is ignoring Mundines' losses. Fact is he didn't get KTFO in his last fight and is coming off his biggest wins over Green and Soliman. His last loss was over 2 years ago in which he put in a respectable performance against possibly the #1 fighter in the division.
And as for people predicting a Donaire upset? lol. All I heard was how Vic punish this kid and he doesn't have a prayer's chance. The only person vocally predicting the upset was PacDBest who is a nuthugger in the highest sense.
EelsRule
07-27-2007, 10:43 PM
Mundines schooling of Green must have really upseat MSTR. He clings to anything that'll hint at diminishing Mundine. He must have been so convinced that Green would do-in the man.
Mundines schooling of Green must have really upseat MSTR. He clings to anything that'll hint at diminishing Mundine. He must have been so convinced that Green would do-in the man.Manly too good for those slimey eels, huge gap between Melb/Manly and rest of the crop this yr.
If you look at P4P ratings, although career accomplishments play a big part, recent outings also a big part as well. Roy Jones fell dramatically after his KO loss to Tarver.
Noone is ignoring Mundines' losses. Fact is he didn't get KTFO in his last fight and is coming off his biggest wins over Green and Soliman. His last loss was over 2 years ago in which he put in a respectable performance against possibly the #1 fighter in the division.
And as for people predicting a Donaire upset? lol. All I heard was how Vic punish this kid and he doesn't have a prayer's chance. The only person vocally predicting the upset was PacDBest who is a nuthugger in the highest sense.
All the people who had seen him fight were rating him as a very good chance, and a much better fighter then the other brother. I didn't hear one single person who had ACTUALLY seen Nonito fight say otherwise.
Dr Gonzo
07-29-2007, 07:14 PM
OooPS! I went into the wrong thread this is the thread for lowlifes!!!!!!Wizkid you better get outa this thread its for loosers not decent people.
another piece of well articulated drivel from cunter - well done; make sure the kindy teacher gives you a smiley sticker
Dr Gonzo
07-29-2007, 07:31 PM
"are the lowlife"? have you ever gone to school? Do you know how to spell? Let me guess, you learned how to talk by watching Mundine post fight interviews didn't you? That would explain the monosyllabic turds that fly forth from the stink hole that you call a mouth. Soon you will start calling people "bra" I'll bet...
IrnBruMan
07-29-2007, 07:45 PM
Manly too good for those slimey eels, huge gap between Melb/Manly and rest of the crop this yr.
WHOO HOOO!:happy
EelsRule
07-29-2007, 11:26 PM
Manly have got a tight defense I'll give them that. Parra arent going to trouble the finals this year as as per usual they cant deal with pressure and crack in close games. Parra need better leaders in my view.
Not to worry, Manly arent going to win any premierships this year or anytime soon in my opinion. I could be wrong on this, but I doubt it. They are over achieving not to mention over paying Lyon who played his best footy at Parra aged 19 and earning half what Manly are paying him.
Enjoyable game all in all.
hey guys whos winning the footy tipping comp
hey guys whos winning the footy tipping compYou are by the way of that ONE Newcastle game cunt :twisted::D
You are by the way of that ONE Newcastle game cunt :twisted::D
one game does not give me the handsome lead i have but it does help
i have a bit of breathing space atm bloody roosters might have cost me another perfect round
one game does not give me the handsome lead i have but it does help
i have a bit of breathing space atm bloody roosters might have cost me another perfect roundthat one game gave you a perfect round, a perfect round gives you 5 extra pts. Dekkers got his lead and blew it...you will do the same :yep
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