Some opinions from UFC 87

[québecwarrior]

1.GSP is not afraid to fight on his feet(I'm not saying Fitch is elite on his feet)

2.GSP have a good chin, he got caught on a couple of good punch by Fitch(I've never doubted his chin, but a lot did because of the Serra 1 when he was clearly caught behind the ear)..

3.His mental is normal, and Serra was a fluke, really.

4. GSP is a great striker, not the BEST of MMA, but he is great in my opinion.

5. Him and BJ Penn, have the best takedown defence of 155-170.


6. Fitch is one motherfucker with a great beard and a great will.


7. Brock Lesnar is arrogant, I dont mind it, but he is..He was very strong, his boxing is shaky, but he seem to have power. He fought an intelligent fight.


8. Florian wont give a lot of problem to Penn in my opinion, I think that Huerta would have give him more.


Feel free to add your opinions and to argue mines!:good

[yyyy1313]

I don't think GSP chin was tested this fight, other then that I agree with most of what you said. Brock is a monster, I saw fear in the eye of herring

[Grievesy]

1.GSP is not afraid to fight on his feet(I'm not saying Fitch is elite on his feet)

2.GSP have a good chin, he got caught on a couple of good punch by Fitch(I've never doubted his chin, but a lot did because of the Serra 1 when he was clearly caught behind the ear)..

3.His mental is normal, and Serra was a fluke, really.

4. GSP is a great striker, not the BEST of MMA, but he is great in my opinion.

5. Him and BJ Penn, have the best takedown defence of 155-170.


6. Fitch is one motherfucker with a great beard and a great will.


7. Brock Lesnar is arrogant, I dont mind it, but he is..He was very strong, his boxing is shaky, but he seem to have power. He fought an intelligent fight.


8. Florian wont give a lot of problem to Penn in my opinion, I think that Huerta would have give him more.


Feel free to add your opinions and to argue mines!:good

Agree with everything but the last point.

How do you think Huerta will pose more of a problem than Florian? If Florian can handle Huerta that easily, then BJ would run through him in a round, 2 tops.

[AJAX]

Fitch does have one hell of a chin I thought he was gone a couple of times but had great recovery.

And saying Brock's boxing was shaky? I didn't know he had any at all let alone drop Herring with a nice shot. He needs to work on finishing more then anything.

And I don't see anyone at 155 giving Penn problems.

[chimba]

no 8.. None of these guys will pose any threat to Penn..Like Penn said when he leaves..Sean Sherk will dominate that weightclass.

Truthfully, BJ will laugh at Florians leg kicks..Kenny might actually hurt his shins hitting BJs melon.. No threat whatsoever..if Huerta can escape Florians mount..hahahaha please

[Beebs]

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[québecwarrior]

I'm not saying that Florian or Huerta would beat BJ, no, but that I thing Huerta's toughness, would make it better vs Penn than Florian.

[Polymath]

One small observation: I dont think GSP would do well as 185, he's not big enough imo.

[sugarngold]

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[sugarngold]

I agree with most of your points - except that Heurta wouldn't make it through the first round with BJ Penn.

[AJAX]

One small observation: I dont think GSP would do well as 185, he's not big enough imo.

I also noticed Fitch seemed a fair bit bigger then GSP, jumping to 185 might be too much at this point....maybe in a few years when he get's bigger naturally.

[québecwarrior]

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you could at least argue what point i'm overrating of GSP :huh

[québecwarrior]

I agree with most of your points - except that Heurta wouldn't make it through the first round with BJ Penn.
Well, he would last longer than Florian..

[skier47]

1.GSP is not afraid to fight on his feet(I'm not saying Fitch is elite on his feet)

2.GSP have a good chin, he got caught on a couple of good punch by Fitch(I've never doubted his chin, but a lot did because of the Serra 1 when he was clearly caught behind the ear)..

3.His mental is normal, and Serra was a fluke, really.

4. GSP is a great striker, not the BEST of MMA, but he is great in my opinion.

5. Him and BJ Penn, have the best takedown defence of 155-170.


6. Fitch is one motherfucker with a great beard and a great will.


7. Brock Lesnar is arrogant, I dont mind it, but he is..He was very strong, his boxing is shaky, but he seem to have power. He fought an intelligent fight.


8. Florian wont give a lot of problem to Penn in my opinion, I think that Huerta would have give him more.


Feel free to add your opinions and to argue mines!:good

I can't argue much with your post. It is too well thought out.
Certainly, GSP's chin was tested by a bigger fighter tonight and
he took those shots and returned fire like a champ. I don't think
Penn should fight Georges now. GSP is just too strong and his
skill is improving exponentially. Penn should rule at 155 and GSP
at 170. I know money talks and the fight will happen but Penn
is too small. A good big man ALWAYS beats a good little man.

[Beebs]

you could at least argue what point i'm overrating of GSP :huh

Wasn't refering to you, sorry. You pretty much hit the nail on the head.

[Rattler]

1.GSP is not afraid to fight on his feet(I'm not saying Fitch is elite on his feet)

He's not afraid of a fight going anywhere, really.

2.GSP have a good chin, he got caught on a couple of good punch by Fitch(I've never doubted his chin, but a lot did because of the Serra 1 when he was clearly caught behind the ear)..

It's a good enough chin.

3.His mental is normal, and Serra was a fluke, really.

Not a fluke. He threw, he caught GSP. It was weird, but to disregard what Serra did is classless. GSP lost. Fact.

4. GSP is a great striker, not the BEST of MMA, but he is great in my opinion.

Quick hands are always dangerous.

5. Him and BJ Penn, have the best takedown defence of 155-170.

BJ has the best... and GSP almost as good.

6. Fitch is one motherfucker with a great beard and a great will.

He's the classic, tough wrestler who goes until the end comes. I respect him a lot.

7. Brock Lesnar is arrogant, I dont mind it, but he is..He was very strong, his boxing is shaky, but he seem to have power. He fought an intelligent fight.

Most MMA fighters are, to varying degrees. You have to be, to make a living doing that.

8. Florian wont give a lot of problem to Penn in my opinion, I think that Huerta would have give him more.

Neither of them would. Huerta is so predictable and Penn (obviously) has the answer.

[québecwarrior]

It's not to disregard Serra in any way, but it's just that, that shit would happen 1 time out of 100, and it did happen that night, props to serra.


oh and another opinions :

I hope the guy who said GSP is too BASIC, standing, have change his opinion lol because GSP reshowed us, that he is the contrary of basic again...

[Grievesy]

It's not to disregard Serra in any way, but it's just that, that shit would happen 1 time out of 100, and it did happen that night, props to serra.


oh and another opinions :

I hope the guy who said GSP is too BASIC, standing, have change his opinion lol because GSP reshowed us, that he is the contrary of basic again...

You're right there. His stand-up is very good. I thought he was more of a flashy throw a superman punch or jab and back kicks but his boxing is actually pretty good. He makes use of the jab very well and his straight right (left?) is very accurate and powerful. Straight down the pipe every time.

Still, BJ's stand-up is better.:deal

[Ted Stickles]

1.GSP is not afraid to fight on his feet(I'm not saying Fitch is elite on his feet)

2.GSP have a good chin, he got caught on a couple of good punch by Fitch(I've never doubted his chin, but a lot did because of the Serra 1 when he was clearly caught behind the ear)..

3.His mental is normal, and Serra was a fluke, really.

4. GSP is a great striker, not the BEST of MMA, but he is great in my opinion.

5. Him and BJ Penn, have the best takedown defence of 155-170.


6. Fitch is one motherfucker with a great beard and a great will.


7. Brock Lesnar is arrogant, I dont mind it, but he is..He was very strong, his boxing is shaky, but he seem to have power. He fought an intelligent fight.


8. Florian wont give a lot of problem to Penn in my opinion, I think that Huerta would have give him more.


Feel free to add your opinions and to argue mines!:good

I think Brock is arrogant to but i also think he doesnt know how to turn off his wrestling persona either...:rasta

[québecwarrior]

yeah when he taked the mic when joe was still talking..real wwe shit:lol:

[Stoo]

That was one of the best UFC's that I can remember.
Was really impressed with Demian Maia and Jason Macdonald showed some tenacity and heart to stick with a talented bjj guy for so long.
Florian and Huerta wasnt the war I expected, but a great face off none the less.
GSP put in a champions performance against a very tough Fitch. GSP showed great stand up and ground skill that u need to be a champ, and I think Fitch will learn from this and come back stronger & add the skills to his tremendous heart and will. An exciting prospect. And the face off with BJ at the end, made my dreams come true :)
And Brock Lesner, well hes a beast. Strong, fast and charismatic, I think last nite showed hes a danger to any heavyweight in MMA, what would a fight with Fedor be like?

[Bokaj]

I can't argue much with your post. It is too well thought out.
Certainly, GSP's chin was tested by a bigger fighter tonight and
he took those shots and returned fire like a champ. I don't think
Penn should fight Georges now. GSP is just too strong and his
skill is improving exponentially. Penn should rule at 155 and GSP
at 170. I know money talks and the fight will happen but Penn
is too small. A good big man ALWAYS beats a good little man.

I actually felt better about BJ:s chances after watching GSP last night. GSP showed that he can't take down and dominate everyone on the ground, and he also showed that his stamina has limits. If BJ gets into best possible shape for once I feel that he can exploit this. Standing up, it will always be his fight.

[québecwarrior]

I actually felt better about BJ:s chances after watching GSP last night. GSP showed that he can't take down and dominate everyone on the ground, and he also showed that his stamina has limits. If BJ gets into best possible shape for once I feel that he can exploit this. Standing up, it will always be his fight.
1.There is nothing in that fight yesterday that could make you feel better about BJ Chances..

2.GSp showed that he cant take down everyone? Did you miss the numerous takedowns of GSP vs Fitch? He did miss a couple of time but he wasnt fully commited and when he was, he did take him down. GSP dominate him on the ground, he didnt LnP..

3. His stamina have limits? That was a high space 5 rounds, and he would had been able to continue, he wasnt fresh like at the first round, but he was not gassed out completly, and that's impressing after 25 minutes of high space fight.

4. BJ Penn will never be able to exploit GSP's stamina..he can exploit GSP on other thing yes, but on stamina? never.

5. The fight on standing view, is gonna be equal, or nearly.

[Bokaj]

1.There is nothing in that fight yesterday that could make you feel better about BJ Chances..

2.GSp showed that he cant take down everyone? Did you miss the numerous takedowns of GSP vs Fitch? He did miss a couple of time but he wasnt fully commited and when he was, he did take him down. GSP dominate him on the ground, he didnt LnP..

3. His stamina have limits? That was a high space 5 rounds, and he would had been able to continue, he wasnt fresh like at the first round, but he was not gassed out completly, and that's impressing after 25 minutes of high space fight.

4. BJ Penn will never be able to exploit GSP's stamina..he can exploit GSP on other thing yes, but on stamina? never.

5. The fight on standing view, is gonna be equal, or nearly.

Almost all the times when GSP had effective take-downs it was after he had landed a good punch. When he shot without landing first he wasn't as effective. He also failed to do real damage on the ground.

As for stamina, he defintely slowed down towards the end, even though clearly dominating. There's nothing really strange about that since it was a high paced 5 rounder, but I've never seen him even a bit tired before. It showed he was human. For me, his strength and stamina are his two real advantages over Penn. And since he met more or less his equal in that department yesterday, I've got the feeling that a Penn in really good shape wouldn't be that far behind in these aspects. GSP would still hold the edge, of course,

What makes you think he would be more or less equal to Penn standing up? He wasn't the last time and since then he's been KO'd standing up. Even last night he took some leather while standing, even if he dominated that part.

I still hold GSP as the favourite against Penn, but BJ can definitely pull it off.

[chimba]

Why are people making a stand up war trivial between GSP and Penn? There is only one unbiased analysis there is.. assuming they are equal strikers. BJ can hurt GSP but GSP will not be able to put a dent in BJs face...Matt Hughes hammerfisted BJs face for a full minute and BJ was alert the whole time and unblemished.

This is simple, ground advantage GSP. Stand up Penn

[AJAX]

It doesn't matter what B.J's face looks like after being hit, it scores points, just like GSP's leg kicks score points. I feel the standup is almost even, Not enough to say if the fight stays standing B.J wins easily.

[chimba]

It doesn't matter what B.J's face looks like after being hit, it scores points, just like GSP's leg kicks score points. I feel the standup is almost even, Not enough to say if the fight stays standing B.J wins easily.

Thats not exactly what I meant..BJ just doesnt get fazed with punches. I mean he took some hard lefts from Sherk and he was laughing in the locker room post fight "how the little fucker can box"

This allows him to be fearless in a way with his attacks which is a big advantage.

I really dont know who can make BJ think twice striking at 155 or 170.

[AJAX]

I agree B.J's head does seem to be made of concrete, I don't ever remember the guy even bleeding.

[québecwarrior]

he has the skin of an alligator

[chimba]

he has the skin of an alligator

Hes got a huge head and face..that always helps

[codeman99998]

Why are people making a stand up war trivial between GSP and Penn? There is only one unbiased analysis there is.. assuming they are equal strikers. BJ can hurt GSP but GSP will not be able to put a dent in BJs face...Matt Hughes hammerfisted BJs face for a full minute and BJ was alert the whole time and unblemished.

This is simple, ground advantage GSP. Stand up Penn

I disagree with that analysis. In their last fight Penn never really hurt GSP standing. GSP throws, what I think, are crisper straighter punches and I think he can out kickbox BJ, even if he can't KO him.

[chimba]

I disagree with that analysis. In their last fight Penn never really hurt GSP standing. GSP throws, what I think, are crisper straighter punches and I think he can out kickbox BJ, even if he can't KO him.

No BJ is better standup..He is very elusive. Look at the fight with Sherk..Two years ago when Sherks boxing wasnt even at a level it is now..He forced GSP to take him down.

BJs got heavy hands man..he constantly wobbles opponents and his boxing is better than GSPs maybe not his kicks. But hes got better knees as well and put better combinations.

What happened in the first fight is that BJ negated GSPs somewhat fancy moves by being a technical brawler.. Watch the first couple of minutes of that fight before BJ gassed.. He was sharper in the exchanges..even before the so called eyepoke..which watched slowmotion a thousand times was actually a punch in teh eye

[codeman99998]

No BJ is better standup..He is very elusive. Look at the fight with Sherk..Two years ago when Sherks boxing wasnt even at a level it is now..He forced GSP to take him down.

BJs got heavy hands man..he constantly wobbles opponents and his boxing is better than GSPs maybe not his kicks. But hes got better knees as well and put better combinations.

What happened in the first fight is that BJ negated GSPs somewhat fancy moves by being a technical brawler.. Watch the first couple of minutes of that fight before BJ gassed.. He was sharper in the exchanges..even before the so called eyepoke..which watched slowmotion a thousand times was actually a punch in teh eye

Maybe it was a punch and maybe it was a poke, but let's not pretend that BJ's gas tank was suddenly totally empty in the second round.

GSP has showcased really remarkable striking just last night against Fitch. GSP is the longer fighter with a better jab, if not better boxing. He throws good leg kicks and fakes the leg kicks well for superman punches.

Also, I am of the opinion that he hits harder than Penn.

At best I'd say it was 50/50 and I think you are slouching on GSPs standup ability. He is competitive with the very best standup guys at 170. I don't put that much weight on Penn's ability to outbox Sean Sherk, after all, it's Sean Sherk.

Either way, GSP uses his striking to setup spectacular takedowns, either from the clinch or the shot, and it does it's job very very well.

I just re-watched the first part of round 1 in their first fight and went over it pausing liberally. Here is the landed blows that I saw.

GSP
2 jabs
2 leg kicks
2 straight rights
1 checked leg kick

Penn
2 left hooks
3 jabs

After that Penn clearly won, but he wasn't dominating before the eye incident, whether it was a poke or not doesn't really matter to me. It isn't likely to happen again.

[Bokaj]

But I also think there's a psychological aspect to it. GSP was cut badly when last standing up with BJ and have since then been KO'd by Serra, so I think he will look to take it to the ground and tire BJ in clinches.
This tactic will not make it exciting, but might very well give him a points victory over 5 rounds.

If he gets more adventourus, well you just don't know, do you... He showed against Serra and even against Fitch that his chin isn't granite. Fitch also gave him a cut that could have spelled trouble if it had come sooner and/or Fitch had been better at utilising it.

I don't think BJ would have been KO'd by Serra and cut (and even rocked on occassions) by Fitch, if he had been standing up with them.